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(Foreign Policy)   Romney's answer to Obama's 'Team of Rivals' is coming together nicely. Case-in-point: His new foreign-policy-team pick is causing neoconservatives to break out in a case of the hives   (thecable.foreignpolicy.com) divider line 36
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2012-08-09 11:16:59 AM
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT THING?! KILL IT WITH FIRE!
 
2012-08-09 01:37:12 PM
"He's basically a George H.W. Bush, old-school Republican."

Maybe they should be running this guy instead of Romney.
 
2012-08-09 01:40:13 PM
Sooo...this guy is China-friendly and not quite Israel-friendly enough?

Interesting.

FTFA: "Mitt Romney's made clear that he has conservative views on foreign policy and defense and those aren't the views of Pragmatic Bob," one campaign foreign-policy advisor who asked for anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the issue told The Cable.

You have to wonder what R'Money is thinking when it comes to picking a running mate. Someone against his own best interests.

Makes you wonder why Palin wasn't "INVITED" to the RNC, eh?

/yes, they're called "scare quotes" for a reason
 
2012-08-09 02:19:25 PM

xanadian: Sooo...this guy is China-friendly and not quite Israel-friendly enough?


Which is interesting, because Romney's website says that Day 1 he will start a trade-war with China.
 
2012-08-09 02:20:19 PM
Pragmatic Bob? Does he know Sagacious Wen?
 
2012-08-09 02:21:53 PM
FTA: The idea that Zoellick will be not be involved in setting campaign policy before the election is central to the campaign's internal argument for keeping him in his new post. Several sources close to the campaign told The Cable that Chen and other top campaign officials have been calling Republican experts and former officials to assure them that Zoellick's role will be firewalled off from the campaign's other activities and will only focus on what happens after Romney's inauguration.

"Zoellick has no influence in the campaign and his appointment really means nothing for anything that happens over the next two and a half months in terms of the campaign," Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol told The Cable.


"Yeah, we really hate this guy and he's toxic and we're keeping him locked in a basement, but he files really fast. And how can you not love that grin?"
 
2012-08-09 02:22:27 PM

Counter_Intelligent: Pragmatic Bob? Does he know Sagacious Wen?


I would assume his first cousin is Baghdad Bob.
 
2012-08-09 02:22:49 PM
The chief complaint among critics is that Zoellick, who served as deputy secretary of state under Bush before being appointed to head the World Bank, is a foreign-policy realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist
 
2012-08-09 02:22:51 PM

xanadian: Makes you wonder why Palin wasn't "INVITED" to the RNC, eh?


If she gets the VP nod again, I believe that the world would split in two from the massive simultaneous facepalming.
 
2012-08-09 02:25:29 PM
Zoellick sounds like an intelligent, practical realist willing to work with other people for the benefit of his country.

Or in today's GOP world, he's a Socialist RINO, and probably a homo.
 
2012-08-09 02:25:29 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Their chief complaint is that he's a realist


Whoa, whoa, whoa. Everyone knows that if you're keepin' it real, you'll be too busy to memorize and spout the designated talking points on command.
 
2012-08-09 02:25:30 PM
Is Romney packing his team with Bush cronies?
 
2012-08-09 02:27:26 PM
member of Romney's transition team

Wow. They found a job more useless than ghost hunter.
 
2012-08-09 02:28:05 PM
The poison of being realistic on world policy positions is one reason why the GOP's brightest foreign policy light (Jon Huntsman) was dead on arrival.
 
2012-08-09 02:28:59 PM
If traitorous, idiot, hackneyed, clown shoed, perpetually incorrect and consistently unlikeable assholes like Bill Kristol and Jennifer Rubin both don't like him, I almost sort of do on principle.

But not with Romney. He could select Bill Clinton as his VP and Mitchell Hurwitz to write his speeches, cash could shoot out of the floor when you select his name in the voting booth, and still, no.
 
2012-08-09 02:29:07 PM
FTA: "Mitt Romney's made clear that he has conservative views on foreign policy and defense and those aren't the views of Pragmatic Bob,"

We don't want pragmatism creeping into policy. We need to stick to our dogma even if it leads us to our ruin.
 
2012-08-09 02:30:04 PM
"It's quite possible they did this without any thought to what that meant,"

And *there* is the Romney campaign in one sentence.
 
2012-08-09 03:01:34 PM

HotWingConspiracy: The chief complaint among critics is that Zoellick, who served as deputy secretary of state under Bush before being appointed to head the World Bank, is a foreign-policy realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist


And that's everything you need to know about what's wrong with today's GOP.

:-/

Thrakkerzog: xanadian: Makes you wonder why Palin wasn't "INVITED" to the RNC, eh?

If she gets the VP nod again, I believe that the world would split in two from the massive simultaneous facepalming.


Oh, I'd probably LOL myself into v-fib.
 
2012-08-09 03:12:00 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: "He's basically a George H.W. Bush, old-school Republican."

Maybe they should be running this guy instead of Romney.


....Why would the Republicans put a Democrat on their ticket?
 
2012-08-09 03:26:24 PM

HotWingConspiracy: The chief complaint among critics is that Zoellick, who served as deputy secretary of state under Bush before being appointed to head the World Bank, is a foreign-policy realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist


Came here to say this. Left seeing that that job was already done.

THE GOP has a problem with REALISTS???

jesus wept
 
2012-08-09 03:35:27 PM
 
2012-08-09 03:57:23 PM
a former world bank president that is seen as a realist?

wow, realists must be in short supply these days....
 
2012-08-09 04:17:39 PM

HotWingConspiracy: The chief complaint among critics is that Zoellick, who served as deputy secretary of state under Bush before being appointed to head the World Bank, is a foreign-policy realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist


Maybe you should try learning what the term "realism" means in international relations...
 
2012-08-09 04:23:30 PM
This pick basically shows how utterly clueless Romney is. He picks somebody who will piss off lots of people, not because he really, really wants the guy, or because he wants to piss off said people, but because he didn't realize that picking this guy would piss off a bunch of people. Romney is running a worse camapaign than either Kerry or McCain did, and considering how bad their campaigns were, that's saying something.
 
2012-08-09 04:29:13 PM
Am I the only one who read TFA's headline as "Zoellick rick rolls Romney campaign"?

/That would have been more fun, I think.
 
2012-08-09 04:42:28 PM

WombatControl: Maybe you should try learning what the term "realism" means in international relations...


Thanks. I wasn't aware that was a formal term. After reading your link, being a "Realist" with respect to international relations seems like good thing.
 
2012-08-09 05:06:30 PM
Let me guess, he's not in AIPAC's pocket

FTFA:

The chief complaint among critics is that Zoellick, who served as deputy secretary of state under Bush before being appointed to head the World Bank, is a foreign-policy realist who has seemed too friendly toward China and, as a disciple of former Secretary of State James Baker, not friendly enough toward Israel.



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2012-08-09 05:24:03 PM

Bag of Hammers: Let me guess, he's not in AIPAC's pocket

FTFA:

The chief complaint among critics is that Zoellick, who served as deputy secretary of state under Bush before being appointed to head the World Bank, is a foreign-policy realist who has seemed too friendly toward China and, as a disciple of former Secretary of State James Baker, not friendly enough toward Israel.



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He's also a realist, and apparently this is a Bad Thing.
 
2012-08-09 06:10:16 PM

WombatControl: HotWingConspiracy: The chief complaint among critics is that Zoellick, who served as deputy secretary of state under Bush before being appointed to head the World Bank, is a foreign-policy realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist

Maybe you should try learning what the term "realism" means in international relations...


WIKI:

"Realists believe that there are no universal principles with which all states may guide their actions. Instead, a state must always be aware of the actions of the states around it and must use a pragmatic approach to resolve problems as they arise."

Which sounds like what a realist (in the everyday use of the word) would believe.

Or am I missing something?
 
2012-08-09 07:19:59 PM
I think its going to take more than yelling 'fail' at everything Romney does to really help Obama win.
 
2012-08-09 08:19:08 PM

Animatronik: I think its going to take more than yelling 'fail' at everything Romney does to really help Obama win.


I'll stop yelling fail when Romney stops constantly failing.

Speaking of fail, these neoconservatives can't even get their smearing right:

An open letter to Mitt Romney flacks leaking to Jennifer Rubin: Hey there -- how's the campaign going? Oh, sorry, touchy topic.... I can see why you're all pissed off and everything that Robert Zoellick has agreed to act as the foreign policy "transition chief" for the Romney campaign.... I can see why you'd leak your complaints about this to Jennifer Rubin... a reliable stenographer for the Mitt Romney campaign. Here's the thing, though -- if you're gonna leak to Rubin, I think you're also gonna have to do her homework for her....

With the Zoellick post she just cut and pasted wrote up, however, I think she's gone from trivial mistakes to out-and-out incompetency and/or lying.... [T]here's a lot of tendentious crap... but the doozy is the embedded link. Cause if you click on it, you get to a story.... Here's the opening....

"China is a vital but 'reluctant stakeholder' in the current wave of Western financial woes, said Robert B. Zoellick, President of the World Bank. Zoellick told listeners that China benefits from the international system and needs to "share the responsibilities" of that engagement, for the sake of both sides of the Pacific."

Hey, did you notice a key word difference between what Rubin claims Zoellick said and what Zoellick actually said?... [E]ither Rubin didn't bother reading the embedded link you provided her, or she didn't read the embedded link at Zoellick's Wikipedia entry... or she didn't care. Whichever way it went down, it doesn't look good for either you or Rubin.... Zoellick wasn't saying that China was already responsible, as Rubin suggests in her Wikipedia dump column. He was offering a aspirational goal for the Chinese government.

You want to hit Zoellick? I think you're wrong, but fine, I get that. You want to use Rubin to do it? Then I suggest you write out exactly what she should print, and then double-check your f$&king footnotes. Cause otherwise, the errors and distortions she prints will rebound back onto you.


In addition to failing constantly, Romney and his supporters cannot stop lying.
 
2012-08-09 08:57:10 PM

Moopy Mac: Or am I missing something?


That paragraph was a terrible summary. Here's realism as described by realists:

1. International relations is state-centric. All other actors (organizations, individuals, NGOs, 'transnational forces') are interesting but not important at the end of the day.

2. States live in a condition of anarchy, where anarchy means there is no higher power above states (not being used here to mean chaos).

3. Because of anarchy, self-help is the dominant driver of state action.

4. Self-help means competition is the norm and cooperation is the exception. States balance each other because that is how they can survive. Power is the dominant factor in all international relations.

And here's realism when you boil it down to the basics:

1. It's positivistic (realists are trying, really, really, hard to make "grand" theory to prove their scientific credentials. Realists like "if A, then B" type logic. The possibility that there is no Grand Unified Theory of International Relations is anathema to them and they will make all sorts of logical stretches to 'prove' their theory is unassailable and some kind of underlying, Newtonian truth).

2. It's materialistic (it doesn't like dealing with ideas and narratives, it wants to reduce everything to power, economics, material threats. In fact, it doesn't deal well with situations where ideas override power).

3. It's blindingly state-focused (it's really only a useful theory for specific periods of human history -- those periods in which states, or proto-states, dominated. It doesn't deal well with the possibility that states may no longer be the primary actors in the future).

TL;DR version: Seth'n'Spectrum got good grades in university, was unemployed for a long time afterwards.
 
2012-08-09 10:52:48 PM
They might as well reincarnate Himmler.
 
2012-08-09 11:44:28 PM

DrPainMD: They might as well reincarnate Himmler.


He would poll better with the Republican constituency.
 
2012-08-10 01:33:30 AM

vernonFL: "It's quite possible they did this without any thought to what that meant,"

And *there* is the Romney campaign in one sentence.


their aim is true, they have yet to miss one foot or the other.
 
2012-08-10 07:21:45 AM

WombatControl: HotWingConspiracy: The chief complaint among critics is that Zoellick, who served as deputy secretary of state under Bush before being appointed to head the World Bank, is a foreign-policy realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist

Their chief complaint is that he's a realist

Maybe you should try learning what the term "realism" means in international relations...


Yes, it's infinitely better and more effective than conservative-hawk-Israel-needs-constant-blowjobs foreign policy.
 
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