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(CNN)   Rent-a-cop guarding building finds bag on grounds. Puts it in lost and found. Three weeks later, they look inside and find a bomb. Did I mention this building is the FBI headquarters in Detroit?   (cnn.com) divider line 58
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2012-08-09 01:38:31 AM
Blame Canada.
 
2012-08-09 03:20:30 AM
A Michigan man subsequently was charged with placing the device in a canvas bag outside the building.

No mention of how they found the guy.
 
2012-08-09 05:47:00 AM
FacePalm.jpg. I'm not sure how else to express my opinion on this one.

/it would be doublefacepalm.jpg had it managed to detonate, especially when the guard shook it
 
2012-08-09 05:52:47 AM

BumpInTheNight: FacePalm.jpg. I'm not sure how else to express my opinion on this one.

/it would be doublefacepalm.jpg had it managed to detonate, especially when the guard shook it


That was my favorite part. Wiley E. Coyote has more brains than this guy.
 
2012-08-09 05:59:06 AM

Xenolith: BumpInTheNight: FacePalm.jpg. I'm not sure how else to express my opinion on this one.

/it would be doublefacepalm.jpg had it managed to detonate, especially when the guard shook it

That was my favorite part. Wiley E. Coyote has more brains than this guy.


Irregardless, it was in a safe, locked. Had it gone off, it wouldnt have been able to do any damage.
 
2012-08-09 06:04:45 AM
The stupid. It burns.
 
2012-08-09 06:09:05 AM

poe_zlaw: Xenolith: BumpInTheNight: FacePalm.jpg. I'm not sure how else to express my opinion on this one.

/it would be doublefacepalm.jpg had it managed to detonate, especially when the guard shook it

That was my favorite part. Wiley E. Coyote has more brains than this guy.

Irregardless, it was in a safe, locked. Had it gone off, it wouldnt have been able to do any damage.


Uh, notsureifserious.jpg
 
2012-08-09 06:31:19 AM

fusillade762: A Michigan man subsequently was charged with placing the device in a canvas bag outside the building.

No mention of how they found the guy.


It's Detroit. Just arrest the first person that walks by and you have a 1 in 5 chance of getting the right guy.
 
2012-08-09 06:32:05 AM
would detroit be improved by an explosion?

On a good note, I suspect there is an actual JOB OPENING in the city

...wagons east people!
 
2012-08-09 06:32:17 AM

Xenolith: Uh, notsureifserious.jpg


Agreed. It depends on just how much and what type of explosive was inside, as well as the type of safe. There's quite a range even for sentry safes. Some would become shrapnel, some would more likely simply have the door blow open, some would most likely only bulge with a given level of explosives. 'Stuffed full of C4' would give more dangerous results, on average, than 'can of homemade gunpowder'.

Authorities are in the position of giving the worst case scenario(Safe becomes collection of high speed shrapnel) even if it would be unlikely.
 
2012-08-09 06:53:31 AM

poe_zlaw: Xenolith: BumpInTheNight: FacePalm.jpg. I'm not sure how else to express my opinion on this one.

/it would be doublefacepalm.jpg had it managed to detonate, especially when the guard shook it

That was my favorite part. Wiley E. Coyote has more brains than this guy.

Irregardless, it was in a safe, locked. Had it gone off, it wouldnt have been able to do any damage.


Umm, safes are designed to keep the contents protected and keep stuff out. They aren't designed to keep stuff in or protect against stuff exploding inside them. Depending on the amount of explosives, the type of safe, and how much empty space there was in it all that safe might have done is generate some extremely nasty shrapnel and possibly focus the blast in one particular direction.

Sentry makes a lot of different safes but they did say this was a small one. If it was light enough to be carried around in a bag by normal people it was probably something like a document safe.
 
2012-08-09 07:03:56 AM
Michael, Sam and Fiona are laughing their arses off.
 
2012-08-09 07:04:29 AM
Meanwhile, back at Detroit's Nakatomi Tower, the guard staff strictly complies with all directives:

i2.cdn.turner.com

Especially those regarding placing only papers in the PAPER ONLY! box.
 
2012-08-09 07:07:24 AM
Another compelling case for privatization of important government services.
 
2012-08-09 07:09:44 AM
poe_zlaw:
Irregardless
Irregardless
Irregardless
Irregardless
 
2012-08-09 07:13:27 AM

Firethorn: Agreed. It depends on just how much and what type of explosive was inside, as well as the type of safe. There's quite a range even for sentry safes. Some would become shrapnel, some would more likely simply have the door blow open, some would most likely only bulge with a given level of explosives. 'Stuffed full of C4' would give more dangerous results, on average, than 'can of homemade gunpowder'.

Authorities are in the position of giving the worst case scenario(Safe becomes collection of high speed shrapnel) even if it would be unlikely.


Absolutely right. Some of the things made by Sentry could more be described as "security cabinets" rather than "safes." I know they make a line of gun cabinets that are just that, steel cabinets that can be securely locked, but in no manner provide the protections of a safe. I'd be surprised if they put lost and found items in a big safe rather than a locked cabinet.
 
2012-08-09 07:15:31 AM
Wasn't this basically how the Pentagon got hacked? Someone left a thumb drive loaded with viruses and trojans in the parking lot of the Pentagon. Someone going in picked up and stuck it in their computer and infected it and part of the network. All I know is shortly afterwards they issued a notice that no more thumb drives would be allowed on any military base.
 
2012-08-09 07:21:45 AM
He wasn't just your average rent-a-cop. He is also a sergeant with the Detroit Police, so this says something about the police.
 
2012-08-09 07:23:25 AM

skinink: He wasn't just your average rent-a-cop. He is also a sergeant with the Detroit Police, so this says something about the police.


He was also the "best" rent-a-cop" on staff.

How sad.
 
2012-08-09 07:28:51 AM

BizarreMan: skinink: He wasn't just your average rent-a-cop. He is also a sergeant with the Detroit Police, so this says something about the police.

He was also the "best" rent-a-cop" on staff.

How sad.


For Detroit, that is pretty good. Exceeds expectations.
 
2012-08-09 07:31:09 AM

SniperJoe:
Absolutely right. Some of the things made by Sentry could more be described as "security cabinets" rather than "safes." I know they make a line of gun cabinets that are just that, steel cabinets that can be securely locked, but in no manner provide the protections of a safe. I'd be surprised if they put lost and found items in a big safe rather than a locked cabinet.


The bomb was in a 'sentry safe' inside of a bag, not the bag being stored inside a safe. Still, that tends to lighten the safe, not make it heavier, if you want to be remotely 'man portable'.

Hacker_X: They aren't designed to keep stuff in or protect against stuff exploding inside them.


In general, the very measures designed to keep people OUT of a safe also keeps stuff inside. A door resistant to prying with good locking lugs will be more resistant to an explosive as well. Still I agree with you overall. The question is basically whether the safe would be strong enough to contain the explosion until the normal leaks vented the extra pressure, or whether it'd violently blow apart, and if so, how much.

1. Fully Contained - low amounts of low explosive material; door stays on, pressure vents out of safe over a relatively extended period of time.
2. Partially Contained - moderate amounts of explosive - door blows open. Dangerous to be in line with the door, but 'generally' safer than the next alternative.
3. Not Contained - large amounts of high explosive - safe 'blows up', becomes shrapnel.

It all depends on what explosives were inside, and how much. Given that it didn't explode, I'm guessing 'not much'.
 
2012-08-09 07:31:54 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com

Remember when this was in the news? Over a year ago?
 
2012-08-09 07:32:35 AM

FullMetalPanda: Wasn't this basically how the Pentagon got hacked? Someone left a thumb drive loaded with viruses and trojans in the parking lot of the Pentagon. Someone going in picked up and stuck it in their computer and infected it and part of the network. All I know is shortly afterwards they issued a notice that no more thumb drives would be allowed on any military base.


Is that how that started!?!?! That f*cking idiot. Now I have to email my Power Point presentation or worse, put it on a CD. Eww
 
2012-08-09 07:34:12 AM
They rented a cop.

Renting a brain must be extra.
 
2012-08-09 07:44:03 AM
Nobody has caught on to poezlaw merely continuing the road runner reference with his indestructible safe joke? Really?
 
2012-08-09 07:55:51 AM

smitty04: BizarreMan: skinink: He wasn't just your average rent-a-cop. He is also a sergeant with the Detroit Police, so this says something about the police.

He was also the "best" rent-a-cop" on staff.

How sad.

For Detroit, that is pretty good. Exceeds expectations.


Yeah, he didnt steal it and take it home.
 
2012-08-09 08:18:08 AM

abhorrent1: poe_zlaw:
Irregardless
Irregardless
Irregardless
Irregardless


Oh, your teeth were grating, too, I assume?
 
2012-08-09 08:19:22 AM
A security guard (a) found something and didn't assume it was a bomb, and (b) realizing that it was a little secure box that may have contained money, didn't keep it? Maybe there's hope for us yet.
 
2012-08-09 08:28:04 AM
they notified an FPS inspector, who determined the bag possibly contained an explosive and took appropriate action, the report said.

I smell bullshiat. The bag possibly contained an explosive; in other words, they have no farking idea and just blew up some random container for no other reason than they could. Then to justify keeping the people at large afraid, they said it contained a bomb. Bullshiat, bullshiat, bullshiat.
 
2012-08-09 08:32:54 AM
A thousand times they find a bag and EOD comes out and water cannons a bag of cookies.... then the one time nobody overreacts, and it is a bomb?

Either a crazy coincidence or a setup.
 
2012-08-09 08:45:41 AM

wren337: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 297x400]

Remember when this was in the news? Over a year ago?


We have to keep investigating this until we find a way to blame Obama for it. It's the only way.

/Someone get Congressman Issa on the phone now!
 
2012-08-09 08:57:00 AM

fusillade762: A Michigan man subsequently was charged with placing the device in a canvas bag outside the building.

No mention of how they found the guy.


No mention of how they determined the damn thing was an explosive, either.

They shook it. They X-Rayed it. Eventually someone became "suspicious" and called a Federal Inspector who decided it could "possibly" contain an explosive. They then "detonated it harmlessly" -- which means they put a bomb next to it and blew it up, not that they triggered an explosive switch or even caused an explosive substance inside to detonate.

The article doesn't actually give any direct confirmation that the damn thing was, in fact, explosive. They do mention that federal inspectors and multiple supervisors and guards puzzled over it a few times and decided it was harmless; then everyone went on a tirade firing a bunch of low-level guards and supervisors in an attempt to save face. And somebody got arrested.
 
2012-08-09 09:00:48 AM

Fear the Clam: A security guard (a) found something and didn't assume it was a bomb, and (b) realizing that it was a little secure box that may have contained money, didn't keep it? Maybe there's hope for us yet.


My first thought was: "See!? The system works!!"

/I was also the kid who thought there was a pony under the pile of horse manure
 
2012-08-09 09:03:22 AM
I ran a demo of some high-tech equipment for a major city in CA not too long ago. One of the sensors was a breadbox-sized black case with a stub antenna and blinking LED, which we had to leave (briefly) right outside the main door to City Hall.

As an early dev model, it wasn't labeled, so it did look a little ominous, but we tucked it behind a hedge & only had to leave it unattended for about 5 minutes, so the city EM figured it would be OK.

3 minutes into the presentation, in a room full of top-level city employees, a security guard opens the door, leans in & says "anyone know what this is?" as he holds the box up for everyone to see. He'd personally carried it inside, through a metal detector and past two security gates.

So yeah, I could see this happening.
 
2012-08-09 09:03:30 AM
No one mentioned the pink chair?
 
2012-08-09 09:11:59 AM
Funny, he wasn't mentioned as being a Detroit Police department officer
 
2012-08-09 09:23:23 AM

BumpInTheNight: FacePalm.jpg. I'm not sure how else to express my opinion on this one.

/it would be doublefacepalm.jpg had it managed to detonate, especially when the guard shook it


One day, while stationed overseas, I was in a building fixing some guys printer for him. Unknown to us, a suspicious package had been left on the front porch of the base chapel two buildings down. Unknown package + church on an American military base + predominantly muslim country = evacuating the area. However, the building we were in had thich enough walls that we could not hear the loudspeaker and the guys sent around to check that everyone had gotten out somehow skipped over our door.

So I get this guys stuff back working, and I head back to my office. As I'm walking around the corner of the chapel, I find myself six feet away from a guy in full-on michelin man looking bomb disposal gear. He kicked the suitcase, then looked up at me and said: "You might wanna get out of here".

Turns out a girl rotating back to the states filled a suitcase with some clothes she didn't want to pack and tried to donate them - but didn't tell anybody and just dropped them off. It was quite funny to come back after they blew it in place and see bits and piece of panties laying on the ground. IIRC, a few of them were the ones with days of the week written on the ass.

Anyway, shaking it might actually be part of the SOP for potential explosive devices.
 
2012-08-09 09:26:51 AM
"The assistant inspector general for inspections"

Really?
 
2012-08-09 09:31:00 AM
Mind you, it was a pretty nice bag...
 
2012-08-09 09:34:33 AM
fusillade76: "No mention of how they found the guy."

He basically turned himself in. When the FBI realized they had a 'bomb', they also apparently noticed some nut in the UP had been sending them a series of strange accusations and threats via fax. That also apparently went on for months without anyone thinking to run a profile on him. So they checked his purchases, found that he bought a bag matching the one in question and a clock matching the timing device on the 'bomb' - apparently with his own credit card. Because he's *slightly* less bright than the FBI.

http://www.examiner.com/article/feds-arrest-man-who-allegedly-made-mc n amara-building-explosive-device
 
2012-08-09 09:43:19 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com

not impressed
 
2012-08-09 09:47:32 AM
so,

Firethorn: SniperJoe:
Absolutely right. Some of the things made by Sentry could more be described as "security cabinets" rather than "safes." I know they make a line of gun cabinets that are just that, steel cabinets that can be securely locked, but in no manner provide the protections of a safe. I'd be surprised if they put lost and found items in a big safe rather than a locked cabinet.

The bomb was in a 'sentry safe' inside of a bag, not the bag being stored inside a safe. Still, that tends to lighten the safe, not make it heavier, if you want to be remotely 'man portable'.

Hacker_X: They aren't designed to keep stuff in or protect against stuff exploding inside them.

In general, the very measures designed to keep people OUT of a safe also keeps stuff inside. A door resistant to prying with good locking lugs will be more resistant to an explosive as well. Still I agree with you overall. The question is basically whether the safe would be strong enough to contain the explosion until the normal leaks vented the extra pressure, or whether it'd violently blow apart, and if so, how much.

1. Fully Contained - low amounts of low explosive material; door stays on, pressure vents out of safe over a relatively extended period of time.
2. Partially Contained - moderate amounts of explosive - door blows open. Dangerous to be in line with the door, but 'generally' safer than the next alternative.
3. Not Contained - large amounts of high explosive - safe 'blows up', becomes shrapnel.

It all depends on what explosives were inside, and how much. Given that it didn't explode, I'm guessing 'not much'.


It probably didnt explode because the explosives they used to explode it didnt penetrate it's walls.
 
2012-08-09 10:04:06 AM

ringersol: fusillade76: "No mention of how they found the guy."

He basically turned himself in. When the FBI realized they had a 'bomb', they also apparently noticed some nut in the UP had been sending them a series of strange accusations and threats via fax. That also apparently went on for months without anyone thinking to run a profile on him. So they checked his purchases, found that he bought a bag matching the one in question and a clock matching the timing device on the 'bomb' - apparently with his own credit card. Because he's *slightly* less bright than the FBI.

http://www.examiner.com/article/feds-arrest-man-who-allegedly-made-mc n amara-building-explosive-device


Even that link goes on about it being a "bomb" but never actually identifies it as an actual bomb other than having a "GE Timer" inside the bag.
 
2012-08-09 10:04:11 AM
Here's a gem of a comment under that story: Since when is the TSA a government run program???

The original comment they were replying to was edited so the context is gone but really? What does that person think the TSA is?
 
2012-08-09 10:06:10 AM

StrangeQ: they notified an FPS inspector, who determined the bag possibly contained an explosive and took appropriate action, the report said.

I smell bullshiat. The bag possibly contained an explosive; in other words, they have no farking idea and just blew up some random container for no other reason than they could. Then to justify keeping the people at large afraid, they said it contained a bomb. Bullshiat, bullshiat, bullshiat.


I think you are on to something here.
 
2012-08-09 10:12:28 AM
Sounds the type of "safe" you see Jarrod hammering open during the opening of every Storage Wars. They could've probably opened the lock without damage with a simple nail file on a set of clippers since they were fishing for goodies. The key for mine is pretty small.
 
2012-08-09 10:32:14 AM

BumpInTheNight: FacePalm.jpg. I'm not sure how else to express my opinion on this one.

/it would be doublefacepalm.jpg had it managed to detonate, especially when the guard shook it


Ah, the ol' christmas gift test.
 
2012-08-09 10:40:27 AM
A buh-?
 
2012-08-09 10:43:17 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Is that how that started!?!?! That f*cking idiot. Now I have to email my Power Point presentation or worse, put it on a CD. Eww


Since when don't viruses get transmitted by way of CD? Is there some sort of mechanism that prevents a CD from getting infected like floppies used to?

/junkie virus again?!?!
 
2012-08-09 12:05:24 PM

TiMthisIS: Here's a gem of a comment under that story: Since when is the TSA a government run program???

The original comment they were replying to was edited so the context is gone but really? What does that person think the TSA is?


Other than being ignorant baboons, what is the TSA?

/sorry to insult baboons
 
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