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2012-08-08 08:15:14 PM
Progressive even.

Normally women get blamed for biting penises. i132.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-08 08:36:48 PM
What a moroni
 
2012-08-08 09:00:59 PM
charged for allegedly groping a 13-year-old girl, biting the penis of her older brother and assaulting her mother

The Aristocrats?
 
2012-08-08 10:15:45 PM
Except mormons don't protect their predatory clergy.

They feed them to the wolves.
 
2012-08-08 10:53:15 PM

doglover: Progressive even.

Normally women get blamed for biting penises.


Yup

wordsmoker.com
 
2012-08-08 10:54:13 PM

Asa Phelps: Except mormons don't protect their predatory clergy.

They feed them to the wolves.


"Predatory clergy" is redundant. As for what they do with sexually predatory clergy... We shall see.
 
2012-08-08 11:45:14 PM
Any organization that gets big enough will have the occasional rapist/child molester/etc. Those people exist in society and just going by statistics there are going to be some in the Mormon religion. The question is how will the organization handle it? Does it hide the criminal and protect them from prosecution? Or does it immediately turn them into law enforcement and ban them from ministering? Let's see...

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints released a statement Wednesday, saying, "The Church has zero tolerance for abuse of any kind. Mr. Guzman has been released from his Church duties effective immediately and faces further Church discipline following the legal process."

Oh look, LDS takes shiat like this seriously! That puts them one up from the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church, at least.
 
2012-08-09 12:44:50 AM

platedlizard: Any organization that gets big enough will have the occasional rapist/child molester/etc. Those people exist in society and just going by statistics there are going to be some in the Mormon religion. The question is how will the organization handle it? Does it hide the criminal and protect them from prosecution? Or does it immediately turn them into law enforcement and ban them from ministering? Let's see...

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints released a statement Wednesday, saying, "The Church has zero tolerance for abuse of any kind. Mr. Guzman has been released from his Church duties effective immediately and faces further Church discipline following the legal process."

Oh look, LDS takes shiat like this seriously! That puts them one up from the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church, at least.


He got CAUGHT!
 
2012-08-09 12:45:44 AM
There's way more to the story than the Fark headline suggests: A Sandy man is charged for allegedly groping a 13-year-old girl, biting the penis of her older brother and assaulting her mother.
The suspect, 46-year-old Efrey Antonio Guzman, is an LDS branch president for a Spanish-speaking ward in Salt Lake County.


Hmmm...maybe this is why they wear magic underwear. You don't have to worry about retaliatory genital bites.
 
2012-08-09 12:46:07 AM
That's messed up. When did the LDS let non-whites into the clergy?
 
2012-08-09 12:46:44 AM
Wait...FoxNews is coming out with a story that depicts LDS in a bad light? Hmm...
 
2012-08-09 12:47:14 AM

" A Sandy man is charged for allegedly groping a 13-year-old girl, biting the penis of her older brother and assaulting her mother."


I bet the mother was acting she had a Sandy man in her vagina.

 
2012-08-09 12:49:51 AM
I don't actually mind mormons too much. They at least try to punish rapey clergy.

/I'm looking at you catholics.
 
2012-08-09 12:52:09 AM
"The suspect, 46-year-old Efrey Antonio Guzman, is an LDS branch president for a Spanish-speaking ward in Salt Lake County.
According to a probable cause statement, the girl told police that she and her brother were home alone on May 8 when Guzman knocked on the door, discovered that her 20-year-old brother was in the shower, then suddenly grabbed the girl, hugged her tightly then started kissing her and grabbed her buttocks. When the girl's brother entered the room, Guzman left."




snl.jt.org
 
2012-08-09 12:52:24 AM
Holy shiat. That's a hell of a hat trick, there, guy.

I wonder if Bath Salts were involved in this one?
 
2012-08-09 12:54:05 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: "Predatory clergy" is redundant. As for what they do with sexually predatory clergy... We shall see.


The vast majority of these cases are male on male, yet they never call it sexually predatory homosexual pedophilia.
You know, just like that Sandusky guy was guilty of.
 
2012-08-09 12:57:55 AM
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints released a statement Wednesday, saying, "The Church has zero tolerance for abuse of any kind. Mr. Guzman has been released from his Church duties effective immediately and faces further Church discipline following the legal process."

Yeah, and like they've done before, they'll reinstate him a few years down the road, saying he's learned his lesson, and advise that family to learn the power of forgiveness.
 
2012-08-09 12:58:46 AM
Once again, Mormon Clergy! This kinda crap happens all the time, only this time he got Caught, inso the
"Church" could not cover it up.
 
2012-08-09 12:59:31 AM

Lionel Mandrake: doglover: Progressive even.

Normally women get blamed for biting penises.

Yup

[wordsmoker.com image 320x290]


...

Go on...
 
2012-08-09 01:00:33 AM

Kurmudgeon: Benevolent Misanthrope: "Predatory clergy" is redundant. As for what they do with sexually predatory clergy... We shall see.

The vast majority of these cases are male on male, yet they never call it sexually predatory homosexual pedophilia.
You know, just like that Sandusky guy was guilty of.


media.comicvine.com

7/10... You'll get some... Uh.... bites?

/ one ticket
 
2012-08-09 01:00:34 AM
See what happens to people when they can't drink like normal folks?
 
2012-08-09 01:01:30 AM
He won't be a Mormon for much longer.

The more I think about it, biting the brother's wang was a good idea. In state prison nobody is going to put their junk near his mouth. Of course he will resemble the Goatse guy, but at least he won't have to taste anything.
 
2012-08-09 01:04:54 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: What a moroni


nicely done
 
2012-08-09 01:06:19 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: What a moroni


Nice!
 
2012-08-09 01:09:24 AM

Kurmudgeon: Benevolent Misanthrope: "Predatory clergy" is redundant. As for what they do with sexually predatory clergy... We shall see.

The vast majority of these cases are male on male, yet they never call it sexually predatory homosexual pedophilia.
You know, just like that Sandusky guy was guilty of.


My instincts tell my you're trolling but I'll bite anyway. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest you didn't just write that as part of a gay-bashing agenda. Just as I would dispute a pedo who was into little girls would be accurately described as heterosexual.

As has been discussed extensively on various threads recently, psychologists reject the view that pedophiles fit into the usual hetero-homosexual spectrum, even when they exhibit a preference for kids of a certain sex. Unlike homosexuals, or heterosexuals for that matter, they have an incompletely-formed sexuality, and their general preference is for children, not men or women. Google will tell you much more.

If Sandusky was gay, I'd have expected him to at least once, in his decades of hanging out with fit young men, to have tried to pick them up. No one has come forward and described such a thing, to the best of my knowledge. It doesn't sound like any gay dude I've ever met. On the other hand, as a football coach with a predaliction for children, it is inevitable that he had far more access to boys than girls. And away he went.

Similarly, catholic priest kiddyfiddlers also have much more access to boys, because of the church rules about altar girls (ie they don't have girls in this role). And, whaddyaknow, the same goes for scoutmasters.

But when you find pedos in coeducational schools, I doubt the "vast majority of these cases are male on male" as you claim. I know of more female friends of mine who were abused as kids than male friends, at least among those that ever discuss this stuff. And the perps were always male. So unless you've got a citation for your claim, you're just sounding bigoted.
 
2012-08-09 01:12:29 AM

Aussie_As: Kurmudgeon: Benevolent Misanthrope: "Predatory clergy" is redundant. As for what they do with sexually predatory clergy... We shall see.

The vast majority of these cases are male on male, yet they never call it sexually predatory homosexual pedophilia.
You know, just like that Sandusky guy was guilty of.

My instincts tell my you're trolling but I'll bite anyway. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest you didn't just write that as part of a gay-bashing agenda. Just as I would dispute a pedo who was into little girls would be accurately described as heterosexual.

As has been discussed extensively on various threads recently, psychologists reject the view that pedophiles fit into the usual hetero-homosexual spectrum, even when they exhibit a preference for kids of a certain sex. Unlike homosexuals, or heterosexuals for that matter, they have an incompletely-formed sexuality, and their general preference is for children, not men or women. Google will tell you much more.

If Sandusky was gay, I'd have expected him to at least once, in his decades of hanging out with fit young men, to have tried to pick them up. No one has come forward and described such a thing, to the best of my knowledge. It doesn't sound like any gay dude I've ever met. On the other hand, as a football coach with a predaliction for children, it is inevitable that he had far more access to boys than girls. And away he went.

Similarly, catholic priest kiddyfiddlers also have much more access to boys, because of the church rules about altar girls (ie they don't have girls in this role). And, whaddyaknow, the same goes for scoutmasters.

But when you find pedos in coeducational schools, I doubt the "vast majority of these cases are male on male" as you claim. I know of more female friends of mine who were abused as kids than male friends, at least among those that ever discuss this stuff. And the perps were always male. So unless you've got a citation for your claim, you're just soundi ...


Sorry, TLDR, Don't you have a Dingo fark?
 
2012-08-09 01:21:24 AM
God Damn, Mormon, yer doin' it rong! WTF? Whosaid you could byt'um? Sucking, licking, yes...but byt'n'um? Really?
 
2012-08-09 01:23:12 AM

doglover: Progressive even.

Normally women get blamed for biting penises.


img.youtube.com
Not all the time.
 
2012-08-09 01:23:29 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: What a moroni


lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-08-09 01:23:29 AM

Linkster: Aussie_As: Kurmudgeon: Benevolent Misanthrope: "Predatory clergy" is redundant. As for what they do with sexually predatory clergy... We shall see.

....

Linkster: ...Sorry, TLDR, Don't you have a Dingo fark?


No, we have a "Rule One: No Poofters Fark" but it's too right-wing for my tastes.
 
2012-08-09 01:25:01 AM

Aussie_As: Kurmudgeon: Benevolent Misanthrope: "Predatory clergy" is redundant. As for what they do with sexually predatory clergy... We shall see.

The vast majority of these cases are male on male, yet they never call it sexually predatory homosexual pedophilia.
You know, just like that Sandusky guy was guilty of.

My instincts tell my you're trolling but I'll bite anyway. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest you didn't just write that as part of a gay-bashing agenda. Just as I would dispute a pedo who was into little girls would be accurately described as heterosexual.

As has been discussed extensively on various threads recently, psychologists reject the view that pedophiles fit into the usual hetero-homosexual spectrum, even when they exhibit a preference for kids of a certain sex. Unlike homosexuals, or heterosexuals for that matter, they have an incompletely-formed sexuality, and their general preference is for children, not men or women. Google will tell you much more.

If Sandusky was gay, I'd have expected him to at least once, in his decades of hanging out with fit young men, to have tried to pick them up. No one has come forward and described such a thing, to the best of my knowledge. It doesn't sound like any gay dude I've ever met. On the other hand, as a football coach with a predaliction for children, it is inevitable that he had far more access to boys than girls. And away he went.

Similarly, catholic priest kiddyfiddlers also have much more access to boys, because of the church rules about altar girls (ie they don't have girls in this role). And, whaddyaknow, the same goes for scoutmasters.

But when you find pedos in coeducational schools, I doubt the "vast majority of these cases are male on male" as you claim. I know of more female friends of mine who were abused as kids than male friends, at least among those that ever discuss this stuff. And the perps were always male. So unless you've got a citation for your claim, you're just soundi ...


If you prey upon children of either sex, you are just a pedophile.
If you prey upon children of the opposite sex, you are a heterosexual pedophile.
If you prey upon children of the same sex, you are a homosexual pedophile.

If the learned psychology community wants to say that all pedophiles are just pedophiles and it is impossible for a pedophile to have a sexual orientaiton preference for the children he or she is attracted to.............. that's their business in the name of political correctness.

But a dude who fks other dudes is a homo.
If the dude are underaged, he's still a homo.

If a chick fks other chicks, she's a lesbian.
If the chicks are underaged, she's still a lesbian.

If a dude fks adult females and little boys at the same time, then he's bisexual or he's repressing his homosexuality by fking females --- just like homosexuals who are only attracted to adults do.

If a chick fks adult males and little girls at the same time, then she's bisexual or she's repressing her lesbianism by fking dudes, just the same as above; society tells them homosexuality is wrong, so who makes the best beards/merkins?

None of this is learned or science or ivory tower, it's just what it looks like from the streetview. And it will remain so while psychology does whatever backflips, twists, turns and whatever it needs to do in order to stay relevant and not offend during changing cultural times.
 
2012-08-09 01:28:07 AM
i2.photobucket.com

Jesu Kristo!

If ever someone looked like a dik biter, this is it...
 
2012-08-09 01:28:20 AM

Miss Stein: Yeah, and like they've done before, they'll reinstate him a few years down the road, saying he's learned his lesson, and advise that family to learn the power of forgiveness.


They'd probably allow him to rejoin the church and attend meetings, but they'll never put him in a position of any kind of authority. If he's ever given a job (or a calling, as they call it) to do within his ward, it'll be something like printing and folding the agenda/announcements every week.
 
2012-08-09 01:28:38 AM

platedlizard: Any organization that gets big enough will have the occasional rapist/child molester/etc. Those people exist in society and just going by statistics there are going to be some in the Mormon religion. The question is how will the organization handle it? Does it hide the criminal and protect them from prosecution? Or does it immediately turn them into law enforcement and ban them from ministering? Let's see...

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints released a statement Wednesday, saying, "The Church has zero tolerance for abuse of any kind. Mr. Guzman has been released from his Church duties effective immediately and faces further Church discipline following the legal process."

Oh look, LDS takes shiat like this seriously! That puts them one up from the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church, at least.


While their lack of protecting criminals is comparatively laudable, my understanding is that it is in large part Mormon influence at the higher councils that forces the BSA to have an anti-gay sentiment. So, these guys can still fark off.
 
2012-08-09 01:31:02 AM

Aussie_As: Linkster: Aussie_As: Kurmudgeon: Benevolent Misanthrope: "Predatory clergy" is redundant. As for what they do with sexually predatory clergy... We shall see.

....

Linkster: ...Sorry, TLDR, Don't you have a Dingo fark?

No, we have a "Rule One: No Poofters Fark" but it's too right-wing for my tastes.


So you should be at the airport?
 
2012-08-09 01:31:17 AM

Miss Stein: Yeah, and like they've done before, they'll reinstate him a few years down the road, saying he's learned his lesson, and advise that family to learn the power of forgiveness.


And they'd probably make arrangements for him to attend a different ward. At least I'd assume they would. I don't know exactly how they'd handle such an extreme case.
 
2012-08-09 01:34:53 AM

Gonad the Ballbarian: [i2.photobucket.com image 384x480]

Jesu Kristo!

If ever someone looked like a dik biter, this is it...


how do you say, 'son, i am disappoint' in spanish?
 
2012-08-09 01:36:30 AM
ExperianScaresCthulhu: "None of this is learned or science or ivory tower, it's just what it looks like from the streetview. And it will remain so while psychology does whatever backflips, twists, turns and whatever it needs to do in order to stay relevant and not offend during changing cultural times."

Ah, the good old non-learned, non-scientific approach. All that high-falutin' ivory tower theorisin' is just a pack o' horse-shiat. The last refuge of the bigot, and keeping down minorities since time began.

I'd rather put my faith in the researched and educated theories. The same sort of thinking which brought about civil rights and female suffrage. The same sort of stuff that took years to happen, because of exactly your attitude.
 
2012-08-09 01:38:17 AM

LOTN: my understanding is that it is in large part Mormon influence at the higher councils that forces the BSA to have an anti-gay sentiment. So, these guys can still fark off.


I don't think Mormons have a super strong influence with the BSA. They allow a certain degree of the program to exist within the church, but the leaders are all volunteers from each ward. They don't allow the boys to start until they're 8, and they don't allow any overnight activities until they're several years older. While their position on homosexuality is clear, it's no less harsh than their stance on extra-marital affairs. They'll stick to their standards, but I doubt they forced any decision on the BSA.
 
2012-08-09 01:50:56 AM

Aussie_As: ExperianScaresCthulhu: "None of this is learned or science or ivory tower, it's just what it looks like from the streetview. And it will remain so while psychology does whatever backflips, twists, turns and whatever it needs to do in order to stay relevant and not offend during changing cultural times."

Ah, the good old non-learned, non-scientific approach. All that high-falutin' ivory tower theorisin' is just a pack o' horse-shiat. The last refuge of the bigot, and keeping down minorities since time began.

I'd rather put my faith in the researched and educated theories. The same sort of thinking which brought about civil rights and female suffrage. The same sort of stuff that took years to happen, because of exactly your attitude.


It seem that you haven't yet realized what everyone else knows. Experts don't know anything about their fields of expertise. Those gosh darned elitists!
 
2012-08-09 01:53:37 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: how do you say, 'son, i am disappoint' in spanish?


translate.google.com

/let me google that for you...
 
2012-08-09 01:54:18 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Gonad the Ballbarian: [i2.photobucket.com image 384x480]

Jesu Kristo!

If ever someone looked like a dik biter, this is it...

how do you say, 'son, i am disappoint' in spanish?


hijo, soy decepcionan (PROMT)

hijo, me decepcionó (Google translate)

Hijo, me defrauda (Babylon)

hijo, soy decepciono (WorldLingo)

You're welcome.

/as a matter of fact, no, I don't have anything better to do at the moment
 
2012-08-09 01:59:37 AM

Philbb: Aussie_As: ExperianScaresCthulhu:

It seem that you haven't yet realized what everyone else knows. Experts don't know anything about their fields of expertise. Those gosh darned elitists!


I absolutely agree. Physicists are yet to claim absolute knowledge of gravity. But they know more about it than me.

Coming back to Experian's point:
"If you prey upon children of either sex, you are just a pedophile.
If you prey upon children of the opposite sex, you are a heterosexual pedophile.
If you prey upon children of the same sex, you are a homosexual pedophile.

If the learned psychology community wants to say that all pedophiles are just pedophiles and it is impossible for a pedophile to have a sexual orientaiton preference for the children he or she is attracted to.............. that's their business in the name of political correctness."

I think this means that Experian would let a "homosexual pedophile" (ie Jerry Sandusky) interact with little girls. After all, he's a "homosexual pedophile". I WOULDN'T. I very definitely would not allow farkheads like that anywhere near a little girl.

But that's just me. And my high-falutin' reliance on so-called experts.
 
2012-08-09 02:02:19 AM

Asa Phelps: Except mormons don't protect their predatory clergy.

They feed them to the wolves.


As much as I'd like to believe that, I find it kind of hard to believe that this guy suddenly went from pillar of the community, to jailbait fondling, dick biting psycho overnight. Usually these dudes gradually escalate, and I'm wondering if there was a few "misunderstandings" that got quietly handled in-house.
 
2012-08-09 02:05:08 AM
What the fuk? Why would this guy go all chompy on the brother's junk?

I just don't understand the human mind at all sometimes.
 
2012-08-09 02:11:43 AM

Aussie_As: Philbb: Aussie_As: ExperianScaresCthulhu:


Quotes word comments ... was I too subtle with "Those gosh darned elitists!"?

Max Awesome: What the fuk? Why would this guy go all chompy on the brother's junk?

I just don't understand the human mind at all sometimes.


I read into it a little and took it to mean that a struggle ensued in which older dude ended up face to penis with younger dude and decided to bite.
 
2012-08-09 02:15:34 AM
Seriously though, they're the same as all other religions. You're just more used to Catholicism and Protestantism's particular brand of crazy.
 
2012-08-09 02:16:18 AM

Sgt Otter: Asa Phelps: Except mormons don't protect their predatory clergy.

They feed them to the wolves.

As much as I'd like to believe that, I find it kind of hard to believe that this guy suddenly went from pillar of the community, to jailbait fondling, dick biting psycho overnight. Usually these dudes gradually escalate, and I'm wondering if there was a few "misunderstandings" that got quietly handled in-house.


I would be honestly surprised if that did happen (a coverup.) They're willing to dis-fellowship members for a great many reasons some of which that do not even come close to something of this magnitude. Will just have to wait and see though.
 
2012-08-09 02:17:18 AM

teeny: LOTN: my understanding is that it is in large part Mormon influence at the higher councils that forces the BSA to have an anti-gay sentiment. So, these guys can still fark off.

I don't think Mormons have a super strong influence with the BSA. They allow a certain degree of the program to exist within the church, but the leaders are all volunteers from each ward. They don't allow the boys to start until they're 8, and they don't allow any overnight activities until they're several years older. While their position on homosexuality is clear, it's no less harsh than their stance on extra-marital affairs. They'll stick to their standards, but I doubt they forced any decision on the BSA.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controve rsies

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), a longtime supporter of the Boy Scouts of America, teaches that homosexual activity is immoral.[93] The LDS Church is the largest single sponsor of Scouting units with over 30,000 units nationwide, which comprise about 13% of BSA's youth members.[6][94] The LDS Church has stated that it would withdraw from the Scouting program if it was ever compelled to accept openly homosexual Scout leaders.[6][95] This does not differ from the LDS Church policy of allowing "non practicing" self professed gay members to enjoy all the same rights and privileges as any other Church member.

A capacity to shut down a tenth of the program if they are crossed gives them considerable sway, even ignoring Mormon members in leadership positions.

A scouts priorities are supposed to follow God and Country, others and finally self. The BSA's priorities, on the other hand, ought to be counted on a single finger. Turning boys into the sorts of men that will drive our country and humanity as a whole into a brighter future. Teaching boys about religion is important. Having a deep and personal understanding of the beliefs that others hold, and a solid understanding of your own beliefs is paramount in creating the self knowledge that should underlie a mans mind.

But to reject persons because their beliefs differ? Because they do not approach mysteries from the same viewpoint, or prefer to concentrate on the knowns of this life allowing their good deeds to speak to whatever may come should there be anything to come after at all?

This is not the scout way. It is a perversion of the scout ethos, and it is the reason popular support for the program is dropping.

The leadership of scouting is taking it in a wrong direction, and it is destroying a great program in the process.
 
2012-08-09 02:24:32 AM

Philbb: Aussie_As: Philbb: Aussie_As: ExperianScaresCthulhu:

Quotes word comments ... was I too subtle with "Those gosh darned elitists!"?


Sorry, I'd misread your comment as "Experts don't know everything about their fields of expertise." Hence my fark-up. And my sarcasm-radar is malfunctioning - it's late in the workday my time. Apologies.
 
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