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(Travel and Leisure)   Alaskan Airlines: Our techs are so good, they write notes on minor tears on the wing   (travelandleisure.com) divider line 95
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2012-08-08 08:38:09 PM
I don't understand the problem. Looks fine.
 
2012-08-08 09:04:10 PM
Don't you know, you should always leave a note.

hypervocal.com
 
2012-08-08 09:06:45 PM
 
2012-08-08 10:17:20 PM
What, do they have problem's or something?

/that hurts
 
2012-08-08 10:24:22 PM
They serve good coffee on the flights, so that makes up for it.
 
2012-08-08 10:27:27 PM
Had the note read, "We do not know about this" then that would be something
 
2012-08-08 10:27:58 PM
like tears in the wing... Time to die.
 
2012-08-08 10:28:02 PM
Non issue.
 
2012-08-08 10:28:47 PM
Airbus / Scarebus continues its ritual un-prosecuted pre-meditated killing of passengers world wide. From forcing tsunami destroyed countries to buy Scarebus to get aid, to failing the A380 150% wing-loading test, Scarebus builds on its reputation for falling out of the sky. FL35, cruise and it "breaks up". Even tape doesn't help, like it would on a solid Alaskan Airlines Boe-wing. Nice. Good planes.
 
2012-08-08 10:30:30 PM
Any pictures?

No?
 
2012-08-08 10:30:35 PM
We know about this

aviationnewsdaily.com

oblig
 
2012-08-08 10:32:51 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: They serve good coffee on the flights, so that makes up for it.



How they can actually make up for it:

Re-allow annual companion vouchers (from having their Visa card) to be used with the purchase of a first class ticket.

/And that's what really grinds my gears.
 
2012-08-08 10:33:52 PM

flashfry: Airbus / Scarebus continues its ritual un-prosecuted pre-meditated killing of passengers world wide. From forcing tsunami destroyed countries to buy Scarebus to get aid, to failing the A380 150% wing-loading test, Scarebus builds on its reputation for falling out of the sky. FL35, cruise and it "breaks up". Even tape doesn't help, like it would on a solid Alaskan Airlines Boe-wing. Nice. Good planes.



If it's not Boeing, I'm not going.
 
2012-08-08 10:34:16 PM
They actually fix small tears with special tape.
 
2012-08-08 10:34:19 PM
having worked for an airline, your average flying public has no idea.

That note? usually that is just a circle in red or black on the ac. aircraft bodies have so many little dents and scrapes and such, yards of speed tape and deferred maintenance.
 
2012-08-08 10:34:30 PM
in my aerospace structures class it was explained that this is common. cracks are inevitable due to fatigue and the structure can fly safely with them. the cracks are watched and recorded until the part needs to be replaced. If a manager of boeing and professor of aerospace engineering says its ok ima believe him cuz hes seriously a badass.
 
2012-08-08 10:35:09 PM
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2012-08-08 10:37:30 PM

LesserEvil: Any pictures?

No?


boardingarea.com

From this Link
 
2012-08-08 10:38:09 PM
/has held stock in AA since '75
 
2012-08-08 10:38:45 PM

xanderak: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]
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I see something like that on a plane, I'm gonna demand to be let off...
 
2012-08-08 10:39:31 PM
I'm just waiting for a large gremlin to use a nacelle and engine as his scratching post and then write a note that says "I DID THIS".

i1033.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-08 10:40:41 PM
yawn. Nothing to see here.

tortilla burger: Had the note read, "We do not know about this" then that would be something


And that something would be named "funny"
 
2012-08-08 10:42:54 PM

AllUpInYa: xanderak: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]
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I see something like that on a plane, I'm gonna demand to be let off...


If they had covered the missing corner in speed tape, you would have never noticed.

Every airliner that has been in service more than a few days has some sort of deferred maintenance issue. The airlines actually have specific lists (Minimum Equipment List) of what can be broken and the plane still be legal to fly.
 
2012-08-08 10:43:00 PM
Don't worry, it's Alaska Airlines so their technicians did 20 minutes of prayer before takeoff.
 
2012-08-08 10:43:55 PM
The pic was taken by a guy who I've been following on twitter for a few years, @dennya. He's a cool guy if you like xbox and/or space stuff.
 
2012-08-08 10:44:06 PM

KidneyStone: yawn. Nothing to see here.tortilla burger: Had the note read, "We do not know about this" then that would be something

And that something would be named "funny"


MrEricSir: Don't worry, it's Alaska Airlines so their technicians did 20 minutes of prayer before takeoff.



Ha! Some damn fine posts in this thread.
 
2012-08-08 10:45:40 PM

AllUpInYa: xanderak: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]
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I see something like that on a plane, I'm gonna demand to be let off...


Why? Would you feel better if they were not aware?
 
2012-08-08 10:47:50 PM
Kind of like posting a comment in some code that you know needs to be cleaned up... if it works similarly on planes during inspections (which seems to be the case according to some posters), then this is not a big deal.
 
2012-08-08 10:49:45 PM
Mrs. Grubermann is on an Alaska Airlines flight right now. This is not making me feel any better. (And no, we don't have a choice in airlines where I live.)
 
2012-08-08 10:49:48 PM

KarmicDisaster: They actually fix small tears with special tape.


The last time I was up in a plane that was more tape than plane I walked back
 
2012-08-08 10:50:31 PM
They call that a tear?

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-08 10:53:03 PM

Paris1127: [www.maintenanceassistant.com image 210x280]
They should've left a note on this one too...


Huh, reading the wikipedia article says that failure was the result of no lubrication. I was at a tribology seminar a couple of years ago and an expert from Esso spoke of that incident and said it was the result of the approved grease the Mexican airport had used was incompatible with what Alaska Airlines was using. Apparently 99.5% of oils and greases of the same weight can be mixed, but there's rare combinations of detergents and anti-foaming agents that when mixed can turn a grease into cement.

Now I have a dilemma, do I believe the sketchy wiki article, or the sketchy oil rep? The wiki article does seem to touch on the different greases being used and that it wasn't the cause.
 
2012-08-08 10:53:59 PM

italie: AllUpInYa: xanderak: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]
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I see something like that on a plane, I'm gonna demand to be let off...

Why? Would you feel better if they were not aware?


I would wonder that if they didn't have enough time to fix it, but only leave a note, what else did they miss because they didn't have time?
 
2012-08-08 10:54:12 PM
My Dad was an aircraft mechanic. Growing up he would bring all kinds of fun things from work for me to play with. I got a big roll of speed tape. This stuff has to be used to be appreciated. I brought some to school and managed to tape shut a locker door. You couldn't peel it off or open the door. The janitor had to come to cut it.
 
2012-08-08 10:55:57 PM

sat1va: Paris1127: [www.maintenanceassistant.com image 210x280]
They should've left a note on this one too...

Huh, reading the wikipedia article says that failure was the result of no lubrication. I was at a tribology seminar a couple of years ago and an expert from Esso spoke of that incident and said it was the result of the approved grease the Mexican airport had used was incompatible with what Alaska Airlines was using. Apparently 99.5% of oils and greases of the same weight can be mixed, but there's rare combinations of detergents and anti-foaming agents that when mixed can turn a grease into cement.

Now I have a dilemma, do I believe the sketchy wiki article, or the sketchy oil rep? The wiki article does seem to touch on the different greases being used and that it wasn't the cause.


If you read the whole NTSB report it goes into a lot of detail about the grease question. Oil rep was sketchy, not the Wiki article.
 
2012-08-08 10:56:04 PM
I don't know about that, but didn't the Titanic have a note on the hull, something about icebergs?
 
2012-08-08 10:56:23 PM
It was the Langoliers
 
2012-08-08 10:59:30 PM
I doubt it had any effect on the plane at all.
 
2012-08-08 11:02:51 PM

powhound: They call that a tear?

[i46.tinypic.com image 640x482]


Meh.

www.ww2incolor.com
 
2012-08-08 11:02:55 PM

AllUpInYa: italie: AllUpInYa: xanderak: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]
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I see something like that on a plane, I'm gonna demand to be let off...

Why? Would you feel better if they were not aware?

I would wonder that if they didn't have enough time to fix it, but only leave a note, what else did they miss because they didn't have time?


$$$
 
2012-08-08 11:05:16 PM
Just to mess with passengers, they should write a note, "Fix bottom of wing first."
 
2012-08-08 11:05:44 PM

clear_prop: LesserEvil: Any pictures?

No?

[boardingarea.com image 540x449]

From this Link


That is not a tear. It looks like it was machined like that. In other words, non-issue and if there was no writing on the wing no one would have complained.
 
2012-08-08 11:08:00 PM
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Meh. A little tear is nothing.
 
2012-08-08 11:09:37 PM
Just wait until they find out that often the remedy to keep fatigue cracks from propagating is to drill holes at the end points to relieve the stress concentration.
 
2012-08-08 11:09:50 PM

AllUpInYa: italie: AllUpInYa: xanderak: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]
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I see something like that on a plane, I'm gonna demand to be let off...

Why? Would you feel better if they were not aware?

I would wonder that if they didn't have enough time to fix it, but only leave a note, what else did they miss because they didn't have time?



Funny you should mention that, it's the fourth class you take in A&P training..."How to blow off fixing things".

Sometimes defects are more cosmetic than unsafe. No sense in taking a bird out of service early when something is perfectly fine to leave for the next extended maintenance check. Contrary to what some think, most aircraft mechanics do NOT want to be the one who sent you to an early grave.
 
2012-08-08 11:10:01 PM

clear_prop: LesserEvil: Any pictures?

No?

[boardingarea.com image 540x449]

From this Link


Thanks.

That really doesn't look like a big deal.
 
2012-08-08 11:11:28 PM

The_Sponge: If it's not Boeing, I'm not going.


Actually, their fleet consists of Boeing and Bombardier aircraft. Mostly Boeing.
 
2012-08-08 11:13:21 PM

buzzcut73: [farm3.static.flickr.com image 450x325]

Meh. A little tear is nothing.


F-15 rules.

ChiliBoots: Just wait until they find out that often the remedy to keep fatigue cracks from propagating is to drill holes at the end points to relieve the stress concentration.


People really should know the basics of materials science. It's not that difficult.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-08-08 11:14:32 PM

The_Sponge: AverageAmericanGuy: They serve good coffee on the flights, so that makes up for it.


How they can actually make up for it:

Re-allow annual companion vouchers (from having their Visa card) to be used with the purchase of a first class ticket.

/And that's what really grinds my gears.


A-frickin'-men.
 
2012-08-08 11:16:51 PM

KStDrew: The_Sponge: If it's not Boeing, I'm not going.

Actually, their fleet consists of Boeing and Bombardier aircraft. Mostly Boeing.



I know...their entire Boeing fleet is all 737s.....I just felt the need to say it.

/Work for "The Lazy B".
 
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