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(Foreign Policy)   Governor Barbour to French millionaires: if you want to avoid all those new taxes your new President is proposing, why not move to Mississippi? No, I'm serious. Stop laughing   (foreignpolicy.com) divider line 397
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2012-08-09 09:49:11 AM

walkingtall: I have always found the love of Europe fascinating by the left in general and fark in particular.


I have always found that people who mistake the fantasies in their head for reality to be unreliable judges of people.
 
2012-08-09 09:49:29 AM
Short of getting Scarlett Johansson to marry me and have hot, sweaty sex with me at least once a day for the rest of my life, there is nothing on the planet that could convince me to move to the fourth-world hellhole that is Mississippi.
 
2012-08-09 09:50:52 AM

walkingtall: I have always found the love of Europe fascinating by the left in general and fark in particular. There is not a country in Europe that is as good as fark makes it out to be. Just in this one example the unemployment in France is appalling. That is a lot of people dependent on the government handouts to survive. That isnt sustainable. Their housing sucks. Their education system sucks. You think of the French as cultured wine snobbish lovers of fine art but for the normal person the reality is much different. Their school systems do not value any education that has any real world applications. Very few technical or trade schools for instance. I can go on and on but didnt the riots give you a clue that things arent as rosy as you think? So in response to this the answer is to make life even MORE difficult for the types of people who can create jobs?


Know how I know you don't know any french people?
 
2012-08-09 09:51:13 AM

walkingtall: derpy projection strawman


i2.kym-cdn.com
McKayla is not impressed.
 
2012-08-09 09:51:23 AM

way south: HotWingConspiracy: way south: If you overtax the rich folks and chase them off, how does government replace the jobs they take with them?

Give money to defense contractors?

And how exactly would they take jobs with them in the first place? Are you one of those farking dullards that think rich people just create or destroy jobs for shiats on a whim?

From my personal experience: We used to have a fuel program that gave discounts to ships. It attracted alot of yachts (and wealthy passengers) to the waterfront stores.
Then someone decided that they didn't deserve such a nice benefit and ended the system.

The ships moved down island.
I'll let you guess what happened to the jobs of the mechanics and painters that maintained them.


Ah, so your neighbors are engaging you in a race to the bottom. Maybe you should one up them and promise the wealthy that you'll supply virgins to lay rose petals at their feet when they walk to their yachts.

Its not a scenario that covers for all situations, but people have a tendency to find opportunity in the places that they live and work. Especially if the laws cater to their financial desires.
If a wealthy man can make more money running their operation in the US than they can in France, the scenery wont prevent them from moving.


He could make even more by going to China. Even more than that by going to Vietnam.

I don't want my country to be like those places. You do, and all to fellate the wealthy and play their rigged game.
 
2012-08-09 09:51:49 AM

dickfreckle: SquiggelyGrounders: Im starting to think there are no true conservatives on Fark. Just trolls and parrots.

There's several regulars, and they're pretty cool guys. Where we disagree on actual policy, we agree on the alarming depths of cheap Jesus jingoism and authoritarianism that defines the current GOP. Right off the bat that scrapes a huge layer of fat from the topics we should actually be discussing. I'll sit here all night with a cocktail and discuss my opinions of federal spending vs.their ideas. It's fun, and I often...gasp...learn things, which is supposed to be the desired product of a purely political conversation. I'm frequently wrong, and enjoy being corrected.

But it's usually just me and the other FarkLibtards fending off or openly mocking the retard brigade and their daily talking point or historical revision. It's pretty sad. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure 25% of all internet traffic is dedicated to arguing with idiots. Another 70% is porn, and the remaining 5% is reasonable conversation.

We have a good number of "Kos kiddies" (every bit as fingernail-on-chalkboard as a Palin acolyte), but when you look at the proportions, conservatives are overwhelmingly represented here by clowns, bots, trolls, shills, and of course True Believer window-lickers.


Agreed. I have about ten people marked as some variation of reasonable conservatives or libertarians, but I have almost four screens worth of people marked as shameless conservative trollbags.
 
2012-08-09 09:53:01 AM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Mrbogey: coco ebert: Sorry, but standard of living in France broadly exceeds the standard of living in the majority of the U.S.

The standard of living in France is comparable to the US. I mean, sure if you moved from the highest standard of living in France to the lowest in the US you'll see a big difference (like most of Mississippi). But do you think that someone who moves from the upper levels of French society won't find a nice place with a good standard in the US? Just about every US state has at least some area that shines. Hell, I could even name some places in Mississippi that have good schools, good jobs within a short travel, and low crime with a good standard of living if you've got the cash and job skills to buy into it.

Remember, we're talking rich people. We're not talking about a middle class Frenchman.

Nah, the best places in the U.S. don't compare to the best places in France. France has spectacular chateaus that are older than the US is. Do you really think a Frenchman would give up his mansion in the French Riviera to live in an apartment in New York City or out in the middle of nowhere in Washing ton state?

Besides, if you move to the U.S., it's a hassle to go to Europe. In Europe, you can go from one country to another as simply as getting into your private jet. I don't think millionaires in France are considering moving to the U.S. If they want low taxes they'll move to Greece or Spain.

Which is actually kind of the point of the taxes. It's not to collect money, it's to prevent riots when they increase taxes on the middle class and lower benefits to the poor. If the rich people want lower taxes in return for less stability, there are lots of places to go.


This is quite smart, and most likely part of Hollande's strategic thinking. Not only does he start high so that when the rate does come down it's along the lines of Sweden (50%), but it appeases the base that is likely to be hurt most by austerity.
 
2012-08-09 09:54:00 AM
False premise. They don't create jobs.

How do you figure? I have never gotten a job from anyone that didnt have a significant amount of either wealth or income. These measure penalize people with wealth and income. Not sure how you disconnect the two.
 
2012-08-09 09:55:10 AM

walkingtall: False premise. They don't create jobs.

How do you figure? I have never gotten a job from anyone that didnt have a significant amount of either wealth or income. These measure penalize people with wealth and income. Not sure how you disconnect the two.


Do you owe Frank Luntz a royalty fee for using his talking point that blatantly?
 
2012-08-09 09:55:11 AM
Remember when it was a slam dunk that the rich were gonna flee NY cause of tax increases.

Cons will never stop with their "sky is falling" fear mongering. We saw it with the non existant threat of terrorism ( terrorist attack is one of the least likely ways of dying ).
 
2012-08-09 09:55:15 AM
Cause we all know Mississippi loves them furiners
 
2012-08-09 09:55:27 AM

walkingtall: I have never gotten a job from anyone that didnt have a significant amount of either wealth or income.


So you're debunking the conservative myth that business owners are struggling?
 
2012-08-09 09:56:41 AM
Hmm. I've never seen either Way South or Walking Tall before - same farkwit person?
 
2012-08-09 09:57:17 AM

walkingtall: False premise. They don't create jobs.

How do you figure? I have never gotten a job from anyone that didnt have a significant amount of either wealth or income. These measure penalize people with wealth and income. Not sure how you disconnect the two.


My favorite job was the one I got working for rich uncle citibank
 
2012-08-09 09:57:40 AM

AbbeySomeone: James F. Campbell: The Green Manalishi: STDs: Link

Fatties: Link

Poverty: Link

Income: Link

Education: Link

Don't worry, Mr. Barbour. I'm sure none of the French job creators will do a Google search before setting up residence...

We're also #1 in teen pregnancies.

/I have seriously heard people suggesting that if we all went to church morefunded Planned Parenthood and offered sex education and free birth control, this stuff wouldn't be a problem.


Except that it's more successful than the church thing.
 
2012-08-09 09:58:15 AM

Skleenar: I have always found that people who mistake the fantasies in their head for reality to be unreliable judges of people


Are you denying that any thread on fark includes at least 90% of the posters saying how much more like Europe America should be? How bad the US is compared to Europe? Really? Who is living in a fantasy world? Geez talk about denial. Just read this one darn thread as an example.
 
2012-08-09 09:59:00 AM

walkingtall: False premise. They don't create jobs.

How do you figure? I have never gotten a job from anyone that didnt have a significant amount of either wealth or income. These measure penalize people with wealth and income. Not sure how you disconnect the two.


Never had a worthwhile job, huh?
 
2012-08-09 09:59:29 AM

walkingtall: Are you denying that any thread on fark includes at least 90% of the posters saying how much more like Europe America should be?


Yes. I would also venture that he is questioning your mastery of percentages.
 
2012-08-09 09:59:39 AM

walkingtall: Are you denying that any thread on fark includes at least 90% of the posters saying how much more like Europe America should be? How bad the US is compared to Europe? Really? Who is living in a fantasy world? Geez talk about denial. Just read this one darn thread as an example.


We should listen to our conservative colleagues, who have been convinced we should be run like that bastion of freedom and opportunity, China!
 
2012-08-09 09:59:43 AM

way south: We used to have a fuel program that gave discounts to ships. It attracted alot of yachts (and wealthy passengers) to the waterfront stores.
Then someone decided that they didn't deserve such a nice benefit and ended the system.


Instead of eliminating it they should have just given the free gas to middle class tourists, you'd end up with more stimulus.
 
2012-08-09 09:59:45 AM

walkingtall: I have always found the love of Europe fascinating by the left in general and fark in particular. There is not a country in Europe that is as good as fark makes it out to be. Just in this one example the unemployment in France is appalling. That is a lot of people dependent on the government handouts to survive. That isnt sustainable. Their housing sucks. Their education system sucks. You think of the French as cultured wine snobbish lovers of fine art but for the normal person the reality is much different. Their school systems do not value any education that has any real world applications. Very few technical or trade schools for instance. I can go on and on but didnt the riots give you a clue that things arent as rosy as you think? So in response to this the answer is to make life even MORE difficult for the types of people who can create jobs?


I have always found the love of the US fascinating by the right in general and fark in particular. There is not a place in the US as good as fark makes it out to be. Just in this one case the poverty in the US is appalling. There are a lot of people unable to afford the basic health care they need to survive. That isn't sustainable. Their transportation system sucks. Their education sucks. You think of Americans as can do engineers but for the normal person the reality is much different. Their school systems do not value any education that has any real world applications, instead spending their time on pointless tests. I could go on and on but didn't the Occupy movement give you a clue that things arent as rosy as you think?

Hint: for everything you see as horrible in Europe they can point to one in America that they find equally appalling. Hugely expensive health care that's unavailable to a large chunk of the population. Working conditions far below European standards. (Ask someone from Europe how much vacation or family leave they get sometime.) Religious nonsense taught in science classes. Random massacres by gun-owning nutjobs. (Yes, they do happen occasionally elsewhere, but nowhere near the frequency) Utterly miserable mass transit.

Step back and ask yourself why you think the American way of life is automatically better.
 
2012-08-09 10:01:21 AM

walkingtall: I have always found the love of Europe fascinating by the left in general and fark in particular.


I have always found the hate of Europe fascinating by the right in general and Fark in particular.
 
2012-08-09 10:01:55 AM

walkingtall: False premise. They don't create jobs.

How do you figure? I have never gotten a job from anyone that didnt have a significant amount of either wealth or income. These measure penalize people with wealth and income. Not sure how you disconnect the two.


I wonder if an studies have been done to support the idea that most of the rich actually create jobs. How does that work out?

How do tax breaks on personal income lead to jobs? Sure they could hire more gardeners, personal assistants, etc.... but law of diminishing returns. What are the chances that they will just tuck that money away in a bank with the rest of their fortune rather than spend more on luxury?

Investment then? How often does buying stocks generate income for businesses? Sure it does if the company is selling new stock or reselling old stock. But isnt the vast majority traded between investors?

I might believe that tax cuts to businesses would create jobs. But why would a company hire more people if the demand isnt there? Reinvestment? Maybe; or just sit on liquidity in tough times or payouts to stockholders and management.

Can Fark conservatives explain any of this? Serious questions; no sarcasm.
 
2012-08-09 10:02:44 AM

CPennypacker: Know how I know you don't know any french people?


Please enlighten me on your vast knowledge on the French. The point made about these measures are to placate the middle and poor because the welfare state is not sustainable and tough things are coming and lets try to keep them calm is imho pretty accurate. However, these types of measures are what got France to this point to begin with and doubling down on crap just gives you twice as much crap.
 
2012-08-09 10:02:50 AM

Flaming Yawn: On the other side, the South is full of amazingly beautiful places. But on the other side of that, most of it is too hot or humid for normal human beings.


Eh, the weather here really isn't much different than that of, say, DC and even NYC much of the summer except we get hotter sooner and stay that way longer. Every day I look at the weather and we (New Orleans, arguably the most infamously sultry city) share fairly similar heat and humidity levels with the Eastern seaboard, which is why I never understood why so many seaboard folks remark about the weather down here when it's 5 degrees cooler and actually less humid than the airport they just departed from. I think they're just b*tching about the same weather but in a different town.

The last time I flew to Philly I stepped off the plane only to be more pissed at the weather than I was, down here.

Now if you're from pretty much anywhere to the west, yeah, southern weather is farking horrible.
 
2012-08-09 10:04:37 AM
I think if I had the money I'd move to Burundi or Haiti before I'd lower myself to living in Mississippi. Really any state below Maryland and east of California, actually.
 
2012-08-09 10:04:58 AM

walkingtall: I have never gotten a job from anyone that didnt have a significant amount of either wealth or income.


The majority of the sales that person makes are to the middle class and poor. Maybe a rich guy/gal signs your checks as an employee but middle class guys/gals "sign" the checks of your employer.
 
2012-08-09 10:05:03 AM

SquiggelyGrounders: How do tax breaks on personal income lead to jobs? Sure they could hire more gardeners, personal assistants, etc.... but law of diminishing returns. What are the chances that they will just tuck that money away in a bank hide that money in a Luxembourg tax shelter with the rest of their fortune rather than spend more on luxury?

 
2012-08-09 10:05:52 AM

Glockenspiel Hero: I could go on and on but didn't the Occupy movement give you a clue that things arent as rosy as you think?


I can absolutely guarantee you that this guy thinks the OWS movement consists entirely of lazy college students with iPads and Starbucks frappuccinos, unwashed hippies, welfare queens looking for a handout, violent criminals and domestic terrorists.
 
2012-08-09 10:06:21 AM

Glockenspiel Hero: walkingtall: I have always found the love of Europe fascinating by the left in general and fark in particular. There is not a country in Europe that is as good as fark makes it out to be. Just in this one example the unemployment in France is appalling. That is a lot of people dependent on the government handouts to survive. That isnt sustainable. Their housing sucks. Their education system sucks. You think of the French as cultured wine snobbish lovers of fine art but for the normal person the reality is much different. Their school systems do not value any education that has any real world applications. Very few technical or trade schools for instance. I can go on and on but didnt the riots give you a clue that things arent as rosy as you think? So in response to this the answer is to make life even MORE difficult for the types of people who can create jobs?

I have always found the love of the US fascinating by the right in general and fark in particular. There is not a place in the US as good as fark makes it out to be. Just in this one case the poverty in the US is appalling. There are a lot of people unable to afford the basic health care they need to survive. That isn't sustainable. Their transportation system sucks. Their education sucks. You think of Americans as can do engineers but for the normal person the reality is much different. Their school systems do not value any education that has any real world applications, instead spending their time on pointless tests. I could go on and on but didn't the Occupy movement give you a clue that things arent as rosy as you think?

Hint: for everything you see as horrible in Europe they can point to one in America that they find equally appalling. Hugely expensive health care that's unavailable to a large chunk of the population. Working conditions far below European standards. (Ask someone from Europe how much vacation or family leave they get sometime.) Religious nonsense taught in science classes. ...


Not only does the derp brigade not realize the shortcoming of the US, they want to take the policies that to them and turn them up to 11.

There are those of us who wish to make the US as great as the mouth breathers see it, unfortunately they are the ones standing in the way of progress.
 
2012-08-09 10:06:22 AM

walkingtall: False premise. They don't create jobs.

How do you figure? I have never gotten a job from anyone that didnt have a significant amount of either wealth or income. These measure penalize people with wealth and income. Not sure how you disconnect the two.


I always take advice from idiots like yourself that don't know the meaning of the word anecdote.
 
2012-08-09 10:07:18 AM

Glockenspiel Hero: Step back and ask yourself why you think the American way of life is automatically better.


For one reason and one reason alone. We used to have freedom.I wish the US had a better healthcare system. I wish we had better public transportation options. Im not willing to sacrifce my freedom to get it. You might be. Im not. Europe long ago traded freedom for welfare states. We are on the same path unfortunately. England is starting to reap the rewards of this with the ridiculou overreach of the government into people's lives. The rest of Europe is starting to follow. The most egregious welfare states are collapsing. That is just one small issue with European society.
 
2012-08-09 10:07:40 AM

dickfreckle: Eh, the weather here really isn't much different than that of, say, DC and even NYC much of the summer except we get hotter sooner and stay that way longer.


the night temp are what is brutal down in the south. Up here you can, most summers anyway, just keep your windows open at night and get good sleeping weather.
 
2012-08-09 10:09:03 AM

walkingtall: For one reason and one reason alone. We used to have freedom.


Let me guess. All of that freedom went away on a cold January 2009 morning, didn't it? Remember? It was the same day you decided to care about the deficit.
 
2012-08-09 10:09:14 AM

heypete: Somacandra: France's neighbors are doing fine except for Spain. Its the small Mediterranean countries with a much more minimal welfare state that are suffering (as well as Ireland and Spain, which also have a minimal welfare state.) Sweden, Denmark and Germany with their high taxes and large welfare states, are doing just fine. Quit lying.

Indeed. Switzerland's economy is also excellent. With the Euro tanking around it, the Swiss Franc is quite strong and the Swiss National Bank has to take measures to weaken the Franc to discourage people from seeking it as a safe reserve currency (as a really strong Franc makes exports more expensive, lessens tourism, etc.).

Swiss taxes are not exactly low, and they have both income taxes and property taxes (which are applied annually not just to real estate, but to the net worth of people: stocks, bonds, mutual funds, etc. are all subject to property tax). There's also the VAT (~8%) on all sales of goods or services, a 35% tax roughly equivalent to the US capital gains tax, and so on. Cost of living is also high, but the quality of life is excellent.

Switzerland has a national, integrated rail system, excellent public transport in cities, a modern electrical grid powered mostly by hydro and some nuclear, essentially no crime, low pollution, a highly-educated population, etc. France is not too different in most respects. Mississippi can barely keep the roads paved, bridges standing, and generally seems to be populated by morons of the highest order.

If I were a French brazillionaire and given the choice between "stay in France, where my friends, family, business partners, etc. are located and pay somewhat increased taxes on a fraction of my gigantic wealth" and "move to Mississippi and pay lower taxes", the choice would be pretty obvious.


Switzerland has outlawed motor racing, has no beaches (and by extension, no nude beaches), and has a very low number of Japanese chicks, both overall and per captia, so it isn't exactly the most perfect country in the world.

But those first two problems (or three) aren't too bad, since you're still just a 2- or 3-hour ride on ICE away from the Mediterranean beaches (some are nude beaches) or the Ring -- although you'd have to take the train to Koeln or Frankfurt a.M. and then drive the rest of the way, since Nuerburg, Quiddelbach, Adenau, Herschbroich, Doettingen, Meuspath, Balkhausen and Muellenbach are very small towns in the very rugged and foresty Eifel mountains. And don't forget your passport, since CH isn't part of the EU.
 
2012-08-09 10:09:17 AM

farkityfarker: There are actually people who really believe that letting Bush's "temporary" tax cuts expire constitutes a tax increase?


Do people's taxes decrease or increase after the tax cuts expire? (I didn't use the word "is" so you can't use the "depends what the definition of is is" defense)

By they way, they are now the 0bama tax cuts since he signed off on them.
 
2012-08-09 10:09:47 AM

walkingtall: Glockenspiel Hero: Step back and ask yourself why you think the American way of life is automatically better.

For one reason and one reason alone. We used to have freedom.I wish the US had a better healthcare system. I wish we had better public transportation options. Im not willing to sacrifce my freedom to get it. You might be. Im not. Europe long ago traded freedom for welfare states. We are on the same path unfortunately. England is starting to reap the rewards of this with the ridiculou overreach of the government into people's lives. The rest of Europe is starting to follow. The most egregious welfare states are collapsing. That is just one small issue with European society.


Please list all the freedoms you are being asked to sacrifice. You will need to cite specific examples and the historical context behind them.

Difficulty, in no way shape or form will "taxes" be accepted.
 
2012-08-09 10:10:18 AM

walkingtall: Skleenar: I have always found that people who mistake the fantasies in their head for reality to be unreliable judges of people

Are you denying that any thread on fark includes at least 90% of the posters saying how much more like Europe America should be? How bad the US is compared to Europe? Really? Who is living in a fantasy world? Geez talk about denial. Just read this one darn thread as an example.


I've actually lived, albeit somewhat briefly, in Europe. All countries have their own unique flaws, and no one in this thread is suggesting that being in Europe is like having a unicorn chauffeur you around the idyllic countryside while everyone lives in harmony.

What I am saying is that varying European cultures have succeeded at a number of things that America has failed miserably at. It doesn't mean I consider the EU to be beyond reproach. For every thing we fark up, they fark up something else, too. "American exceptionalism" is a very dangerously stupid way of thinking. We can't improve unless we look to our neighbors for examples of things that work, or fail. Instead we plod along ignorantly, outright refusing to consider other countries' models and assaulting the patriotism of those who do.
 
2012-08-09 10:10:42 AM

walkingtall: I wish the US had a better healthcare system. I wish we had better public transportation options. Im not willing to sacrifce my freedom to get it.


You think like a child.
 
2012-08-09 10:10:45 AM

walkingtall: We used to have freedom.


OK, wtf, I'll bite. What freedom do you no longer have? And if you no longer have it, how is that relevant to the question "Why is the American way of life automatically better"?
 
2012-08-09 10:11:11 AM

Headso: dickfreckle: Eh, the weather here really isn't much different than that of, say, DC and even NYC much of the summer except we get hotter sooner and stay that way longer.

the night temp are what is brutal down in the south. Up here you can, most summers anyway, just keep your windows open at night and get good sleeping weather.


Three words. Whole house fan. They are worthless down south.
 
2012-08-09 10:11:25 AM

walkingtall: CPennypacker: Know how I know you don't know any french people?

Please enlighten me on your vast knowledge on the French. The point made about these measures are to placate the middle and poor because the welfare state is not sustainable and tough things are coming and lets try to keep them calm is imho pretty accurate. However, these types of measures are what got France to this point to begin with and doubling down on crap just gives you twice as much crap.


I work for a french bank. I travel there 5-6 times a year. I work closely with my french colleagues every day and have made many friends who work in other industries while visiting.

But clearly you're the expert. Cheese eating surrender monkeys, am i rite?
 
2012-08-09 10:11:27 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: I can absolutely guarantee you that this guy thinks the OWS movement consists entirely of lazy college students with iPads and Starbucks frappuccinos, unwashed hippies, welfare queens looking for a handout, violent criminals and domestic terrorists.


In not saying we are perfect. The wealth discrepancy and just plain greed is causing serious issues. The road we took to get here might not be the road you think. You simply want to blame large companies greed and lack of wealthy people paying taxes as the cause of all the funneling to the top. Along with the buying of govt. On that we are agreed I am not buying that as the sole causes. The fixes for these issues might not be what you think they are either. If it can be fixed.
 
2012-08-09 10:12:10 AM

Headso: dickfreckle: Eh, the weather here really isn't much different than that of, say, DC and even NYC much of the summer except we get hotter sooner and stay that way longer.

the night temp are what is brutal down in the south. Up here you can, most summers anyway, just keep your windows open at night and get good sleeping weather.


Hmmm...good point. When I check the weather it's usually in the daytime while planning my day. And I've never had trouble sleeping up North.
 
2012-08-09 10:12:35 AM

walkingtall: Are you denying that any thread on fark includes at least 90% of the posters saying how much more like Europe America should be? How bad the US is compared to Europe? Really? Who is living in a fantasy world? Geez talk about denial. Just read this one darn thread as an example.


Do you have even one citation or reference to someone saying how Europe is so amazing?

Or is this like how you had death threats by Fark posters and couldnt even link to one instance of it.
 
2012-08-09 10:13:55 AM

Bob16: Three words. Whole house fan. They are worthless down south.


Whore house fans? We have plenty of 'em down here. Hell, I'm one myself.

/sigh, I got nuthin'
 
2012-08-09 10:14:55 AM

walkingtall: We used to have freedom.


Name one freedom you've lost.

walkingtall: The most egregious welfare states are collapsing


Name the top three.
 
2012-08-09 10:15:00 AM

walkingtall: Glockenspiel Hero: Step back and ask yourself why you think the American way of life is automatically better.

For one reason and one reason alone. We used to have freedom.I wish the US had a better healthcare system. I wish we had better public transportation options. Im not willing to sacrifce my freedom to get it. You might be. Im not. Europe long ago traded freedom for welfare states. We are on the same path unfortunately. England is starting to reap the rewards of this with the ridiculou overreach of the government into people's lives. The rest of Europe is starting to follow. The most egregious welfare states are collapsing. That is just one small issue with European society.


What Freedom looks like to walkingtall.

www.continuetolearn.uiowa.eduwww.kawvalley.k12.ks.usi45.photobucket.comwww.ocf.berkeley.eduwww.britannica.comupload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-09 10:15:32 AM

walkingtall: Are you denying that any thread on fark includes at least 90% of the posters saying how much more like Europe America should be?


I'm assuming the tentacle porn threads are excepted from your percentages.
 
2012-08-09 10:16:31 AM

NateGrey: Or is this like how you had death threats by Fark posters and couldnt even link to one instance of it.


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