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(Deadspin)   Canadian coaches need to stop whining about bad call near the end of the women's soccer match, says columnist who later tweeted that he got bored and changed the channel halfway through   (deadspin.com) divider line 61
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2012-08-08 04:28:02 PM
Oh Canada! o_ó
 
2012-08-08 04:29:15 PM
Yay, another thread on this!
 
2012-08-08 04:30:21 PM

4NSpy: Yay, another thread on this!


Canadian whining trifecta complete.

\Really want to like you guys, but you're just making it oh-so-difficult.
 
2012-08-08 04:31:50 PM

Woolwine: 4NSpy: Yay, another thread on this!

Canadian whining trifecta complete.

\Really want to like you guys, but you're just making it oh-so-difficult.


I'm sorry. We should really try harder to get you to like us.
 
2012-08-08 04:32:08 PM
Guys, she violated the rule after being warned. End of story.
 
2012-08-08 04:32:35 PM
We're already doing this two threads down, eh?
 
2012-08-08 04:36:15 PM
Roethlisberger was down before the ball crossed the goal line and that was a bullshiat holding call on Locklear!

/strolls quietly out of thread
 
2012-08-08 04:37:32 PM
Refusing to roll over for bullshiat is not whining. All you do is reinforce the yay me because the winner doesn't care . Big farking deal. We do.
 
2012-08-08 04:37:52 PM
do we need more threads for this topic? really?
 
2012-08-08 04:38:30 PM

JohnAnnArbor: Guys, she violated the rule after being warned. End of story.


^^^^^This

Now, where are the complaints about the 2007 Gold Cup semifinal? that call at the end Canadians actually have a legitimate reason to complain about, but haven't heard a peep.
 
2012-08-08 04:46:01 PM
bored?? that was one of the best soccer matches I've ever seen. shiatty call and all...
 
2012-08-08 05:00:52 PM

barefoot in the head: Refusing to roll over for bullshiat is not whining. All you do is reinforce the yay me because the winner doesn't care . Big farking deal. We do.


It is whining if it isn't bullshiat. Would you care for me to give you an incredibly detailed, rule-oriented version of why it's not?
 
2012-08-08 05:04:07 PM
Of course he got bored, it's soccer.
 
2012-08-08 05:14:07 PM
Um. Isn't Damien Cox Canadian?

So this writer is acting as if he just endured an ass riot from watching this injustice in the olympics? His writing seems so slanted against the US, but his words are in rubuttal from another Canadian?

Or do I have this all wrong?
 
2012-08-08 05:33:49 PM
Sinclair and Tancredi should both miss the bronze medal game.
 
2012-08-08 05:37:32 PM

The Muthaship: Sinclair and Tancredi should both miss the bronze medal game.


FIFA says they'll wait until after the bronze medal game to make their decisions. Sinclair, I feel, was just expressing frustrations, and understandably so

Tancredi is the one who should miss the game, but FIFA will wait until after the game to discipline her
 
2012-08-08 05:42:19 PM

Woolwine: Sinclair, I feel, was just expressing frustrations, and understandably so


Saying the ref screwed up and cost us the game is one thing, saying the result was predetermined is another.
 
2012-08-08 05:45:35 PM

redmid17: barefoot in the head: Refusing to roll over for bullshiat is not whining. All you do is reinforce the yay me because the winner doesn't care . Big farking deal. We do.

It is whining if it isn't bullshiat. Would you care for me to give you an incredibly detailed, rule-oriented version of why it's not?


It was a bullshiat call. Only a huge American homer would think that it was anything but stupid. The ref was way over her head in that game.
 
2012-08-08 05:48:15 PM

carnifex2005: redmid17: barefoot in the head: Refusing to roll over for bullshiat is not whining. All you do is reinforce the yay me because the winner doesn't care . Big farking deal. We do.

It is whining if it isn't bullshiat. Would you care for me to give you an incredibly detailed, rule-oriented version of why it's not?

It was a bullshiat call. Only a huge American homer would think that it was anything but stupid. The ref was way over her head in that game.


The delay rule exists, and the referee warned that it would be enforced after several previous violations.

This is whining. The Canadian team's strategy depended on delay. Too bad the rules got in the way.
 
2012-08-08 05:52:34 PM

carnifex2005: redmid17: barefoot in the head: Refusing to roll over for bullshiat is not whining. All you do is reinforce the yay me because the winner doesn't care . Big farking deal. We do.

It is whining if it isn't bullshiat. Would you care for me to give you an incredibly detailed, rule-oriented version of why it's not?

It was a bullshiat call. Only a huge American homer would think that it was anything but stupid. The ref was way over her head in that game.


The ref might have been in way over her head, but I can't vouch for that. However I can tell you that holding onto the ball for 16+ seconds is so unusual in a soccer game, especially high level, that I have never seen it happen except for the Canada-US game, let alone 3 times plus a warning. I refereed soccer for 12 years up to state cup level U-18, played competitively for even longer, and have watched since the US hosted in '94. The rule is 6 seconds and is routinely brushed aside but never tripled. If a goalie took 10 seconds, I'd have given him a warning at the next convenient dead ball. I never had to do that past elementary school age.
 
2012-08-08 05:54:05 PM
horrible call, whatta do?
the protest won't get them into the finals.
we should be proud of our girls and hope they get the bronze!
 
2012-08-08 05:56:43 PM

redmid17: However I can tell you that holding onto the ball for 16+ seconds is so unusual in a soccer game, especially high level, that I have never seen it happen except for the Canada-US game, let alone 3 times plus a warning.


Based on how many fouls weren't called against Canada that should've been, plus having it pointed out to her that the goalie was stalling (by Wambach), I think she was afraid she was going to get Coulibaly'd if she didn't call something eventually. Canada should have been playing a man down about 10 minutes into the first half at the latest.....and yet they whine on.
 
2012-08-08 05:57:43 PM

The Muthaship: redmid17: However I can tell you that holding onto the ball for 16+ seconds is so unusual in a soccer game, especially high level, that I have never seen it happen except for the Canada-US game, let alone 3 times plus a warning.

Based on how many fouls weren't called against Canada that should've been, plus having it pointed out to her that the goalie was stalling (by Wambach), I think she was afraid she was going to get Coulibaly'd if she didn't call something eventually. Canada should have been playing a man down about 10 minutes into the first half at the latest.....and yet they whine on.


I wasn't even going to get into that.
 
2012-08-08 06:17:34 PM
If we were going by the written letter of the law it wouldn't of been a penalty shot because it says you must intentionally play the ball with your arm, which did not happen. Its just not a call you make ever, never mind in a semi-final of the Olympics.
 
2012-08-08 06:37:48 PM

JohnAnnArbor: carnifex2005: redmid17: barefoot in the head: Refusing to roll over for bullshiat is not whining. All you do is reinforce the yay me because the winner doesn't care . Big farking deal. We do.

It is whining if it isn't bullshiat. Would you care for me to give you an incredibly detailed, rule-oriented version of why it's not?

It was a bullshiat call. Only a huge American homer would think that it was anything but stupid. The ref was way over her head in that game.

The delay rule exists, and the referee warned that it would be enforced after several previous violations.

This is whining. The Canadian team's strategy depended on delay. Too bad the rules got in the way.


No, the ref didn't give a warning. A 4th official pointed it out to the Canadian goalie at half time but did not say it would be called if done again. Besides, there were several times in the game when Hope Solo also held onto it too long.
 
2012-08-08 06:40:35 PM

redmid17: carnifex2005: redmid17: barefoot in the head: Refusing to roll over for bullshiat is not whining. All you do is reinforce the yay me because the winner doesn't care . Big farking deal. We do.

It is whining if it isn't bullshiat. Would you care for me to give you an incredibly detailed, rule-oriented version of why it's not?

It was a bullshiat call. Only a huge American homer would think that it was anything but stupid. The ref was way over her head in that game.

The ref might have been in way over her head, but I can't vouch for that. However I can tell you that holding onto the ball for 16+ seconds is so unusual in a soccer game, especially high level, that I have never seen it happen except for the Canada-US game, let alone 3 times plus a warning. I refereed soccer for 12 years up to state cup level U-18, played competitively for even longer, and have watched since the US hosted in '94. The rule is 6 seconds and is routinely brushed aside but never tripled. If a goalie took 10 seconds, I'd have given him a warning at the next convenient dead ball. I never had to do that past elementary school age.


Did you look at the holding call? About 6 seconds of that 16 seconds was McCloud on the ground after grabbing the ball and waiting for the American players to clear out. It was very, very petty to call it then. Besides, in every instance I've seen anything like that called, the ref will give a yellow card to officially put that warning on record. In this case, we don't know if she was warned multiple times or not.
 
2012-08-08 06:48:16 PM

carnifex2005: JohnAnnArbor: carnifex2005: redmid17: barefoot in the head: Refusing to roll over for bullshiat is not whining. All you do is reinforce the yay me because the winner doesn't care . Big farking deal. We do.

It is whining if it isn't bullshiat. Would you care for me to give you an incredibly detailed, rule-oriented version of why it's not?

It was a bullshiat call. Only a huge American homer would think that it was anything but stupid. The ref was way over her head in that game.

The delay rule exists, and the referee warned that it would be enforced after several previous violations.

This is whining. The Canadian team's strategy depended on delay. Too bad the rules got in the way.

No, the ref didn't give a warning. A 4th official pointed it out to the Canadian goalie at half time but did not say it would be called if done again. Besides, there were several times in the game when Hope Solo also held onto it too long.


Wow, someone finally told the truth, but in the end who got called for it and screwed by said call? Canada.

Yeah, that comment just summed up why I am cheering for Canada in the Bronze medal game and Japan in the gold medal game.

// Hope they beat the US again, and in a rout for good measure.
 
2012-08-08 07:03:59 PM

carnifex2005: redmid17: carnifex2005: redmid17: barefoot in the head: Refusing to roll over for bullshiat is not whining. All you do is reinforce the yay me because the winner doesn't care . Big farking deal. We do.

It is whining if it isn't bullshiat. Would you care for me to give you an incredibly detailed, rule-oriented version of why it's not?

It was a bullshiat call. Only a huge American homer would think that it was anything but stupid. The ref was way over her head in that game.

The ref might have been in way over her head, but I can't vouch for that. However I can tell you that holding onto the ball for 16+ seconds is so unusual in a soccer game, especially high level, that I have never seen it happen except for the Canada-US game, let alone 3 times plus a warning. I refereed soccer for 12 years up to state cup level U-18, played competitively for even longer, and have watched since the US hosted in '94. The rule is 6 seconds and is routinely brushed aside but never tripled. If a goalie took 10 seconds, I'd have given him a warning at the next convenient dead ball. I never had to do that past elementary school age.

Did you look at the holding call? About 6 seconds of that 16 seconds was McCloud on the ground after grabbing the ball and waiting for the American players to clear out. It was very, very petty to call it then. Besides, in every instance I've seen anything like that called, the ref will give a yellow card to officially put that warning on record. In this case, we don't know if she was warned multiple times or not.


As long as she has the ball under control, it doesn't matter if the American players clear out or not as long as they aren't actively impeding her release of the ball. They can even stand in front of her as long as they do not move. You do not have to give a warning before you call that foul. In fact the IFK was the least harsh way she could have punished Mcleod. She easily could have given her a yellow and an IFK to the US team. She was a blatant repeat offender who'd been warned.
 
2012-08-08 07:30:42 PM
I thought that hand ball on Canada was one of the worst I've seen. She clearly wasn't going to call it until she had 5 Americans screaming at her. and if I was American I'd scream too, but she definitely was talked into making a few of the calls she did.

Hope Canada can get the bronze. As a lifelong soccer fan I was pretty heartbroken after the game.

Japan v USA should be a good one
I thought the reffing was poor, but good teams
 
2012-08-08 07:30:49 PM

JohnAnnArbor: carnifex2005: redmid17: barefoot in the head: Refusing to roll over for bullshiat is not whining. All you do is reinforce the yay me because the winner doesn't care . Big farking deal. We do.

It is whining if it isn't bullshiat. Would you care for me to give you an incredibly detailed, rule-oriented version of why it's not?

It was a bullshiat call. Only a huge American homer would think that it was anything but stupid. The ref was way over her head in that game.

The delay rule exists, and the referee warned that it would be enforced after several previous violations.

This is whining. The Canadian team's strategy depended on delay. Too bad the rules got in the way.


According to the American players there were numerous specific warnings given. According to the goalie, there was a generic "keep the game moving" comment from a linesman at halftime. I tend to Beleive the goalie, but there is no way to know what's actually true.
 
2012-08-08 07:32:10 PM

edgesrealm: Yeah, that comment just summed up why I am cheering for Canada in the Bronze medal game


They just need to score first. Then their goalie can sit on the ball for the rest of the game. I can't believe I'm the first person to think of this.
 
2012-08-08 08:06:55 PM

redmid17: carnifex2005: redmid17: carnifex2005: redmid17: barefoot in the head: Refusing to roll over for bullshiat is not whining. All you do is reinforce the yay me because the winner doesn't care . Big farking deal. We do.

It is whining if it isn't bullshiat. Would you care for me to give you an incredibly detailed, rule-oriented version of why it's not?

It was a bullshiat call. Only a huge American homer would think that it was anything but stupid. The ref was way over her head in that game.

The ref might have been in way over her head, but I can't vouch for that. However I can tell you that holding onto the ball for 16+ seconds is so unusual in a soccer game, especially high level, that I have never seen it happen except for the Canada-US game, let alone 3 times plus a warning. I refereed soccer for 12 years up to state cup level U-18, played competitively for even longer, and have watched since the US hosted in '94. The rule is 6 seconds and is routinely brushed aside but never tripled. If a goalie took 10 seconds, I'd have given him a warning at the next convenient dead ball. I never had to do that past elementary school age.

Did you look at the holding call? About 6 seconds of that 16 seconds was McCloud on the ground after grabbing the ball and waiting for the American players to clear out. It was very, very petty to call it then. Besides, in every instance I've seen anything like that called, the ref will give a yellow card to officially put that warning on record. In this case, we don't know if she was warned multiple times or not.

As long as she has the ball under control, it doesn't matter if the American players clear out or not as long as they aren't actively impeding her release of the ball. They can even stand in front of her as long as they do not move. You do not have to give a warning before you call that foul. In fact the IFK was the least harsh way she could have punished Mcleod. She easily could have given her a yellow and an IFK to the US team. S ...


So you claim she got numerous warnings. Tell me any other time that penalty has been done in a high level match? You may find one maybe two in all of the history of World Cups or Olympics. In all my years watching soccer I've never seen it and I've watched for over 30 years. That is the huge problem with the call. It may be in the laws but it certainly isn't a rule that is called unless the ref was being a jerk or incompetent.
 
2012-08-08 08:33:02 PM
1) The rule is on the books. The rule is (almost) never used. It shouldn't have been called in this game without an obvious warning being given to the keeper if only to cover the arse of the ref for using one of the least used calls in the game.

2) The referee in general was not up to the challenge of the game. Both the Americans and the Canadians play a physical game (That the Americans are whining about the Canadians playing physical is laughable. It's like the Argentinians whining that the Italians are diving all over the place.) and there were dozens of potential fouls that weren't called on both teams. There were numerous yellow cards that should have been given out that were not given out, and yes, there was a Red card that should have been called on Tancredi which wasn't called in the least. (Had she kept her mouth shut after the game, then she would have entirely gotten away with it. But she opened her mouth and will get a fairly stiff penalty after the Olympics, as much for the head stomp as for the comments.) I'm biased, of course, being Canadian and liking to root for the underdogs and against the US Women's soccer team (the more I read about them the less respect I have for them beyond their actual talents on the pitch. Particularly Hope Solo - if I were a defender on that team right now, I'd be having some pretty harsh words for her after she pretty much threw her team under the bus as she blamed them for Canada scoring three times. That's something you don't do publicly at all, and I'd be careful about doing it privately.) but much of the game I was left shaking my head about why the ref was calling so much on Canada and letting the Americans get away with the same stuff.

3) Abby Wambach has admitted to playing the Ref about the keeper wasting time. That also brings into question the abilities and motivations of the referee - was she calling the delay of game just to shut the American player up? What else might she have been influenced by during the game? That the referee isn't part of the next two games, and that FIFA has postponed their punishment of the Canadian players reeks of FIFA trying to go "Our bad." without going "Our bad.". Let's be serious here, we're talking about Canada and women's soccer; we're pretty much the Indian Luge team of international soccer. There would be an outcry in Canada if our two best players were suspended for the bronze medal game, but outside of Canada the rest of the world would go "Meh." and forget about it.

3a) And there will be suspensions for Sinclair and Tancredi. Particularly Tancredi; I'd say about 5 games for her. No more than 2 for Sinclair, but then Sinclair doesn't have an uncalled head stomp to be punished for as well, not that the head stomp will be noted by FIFA when she's suspended. It's going to be tough for Canada without them for any length of time, and there's a chance that we'll only qualify for the 2015 women's world cup because we're hosting it.

4) The game should not have been 3-2 at that time. It should have been 3-1. The first goal that Canada let in was the kind of goal that a house league player would be benched for, and should never, ever, ever be seen at any competitive level. It was an embarrassing goal to let in. So even accepting the delay of game call and that outcome, Canada should have won 3-2.

5) Go Canada, and go Japan!
 
2012-08-08 08:35:23 PM
carnifex2005:

Do you want something for that sore ass of yours?
 
2012-08-08 08:46:08 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: carnifex2005:

Do you want something for that sore ass of yours?


No thanks! Your mom's tongue is already up it. It helps.
 
2012-08-08 09:20:58 PM

carnifex2005: So you claim she got numerous warnings. Tell me any other time that penalty has been done in a high level match? You may find one maybe two in all of the history of World Cups or Olympics. In all my years watching soccer I've never seen it and I've watched for over 30 years. That is the huge problem with the call. It may be in the laws but it certainly isn't a rule that is called unless the ref was being a jerk or incompetent.


I've never seen that penalty in a high level match, mostly because I've never seen so many egregious violations of the rule. A 16+ count on three separate occasions with a verbal warning is so generous, I don't even know where to start. I don't think she was making much of an effort to get up off the ground (to get clear of opposition) either, so that's not even an excuse. I refereed for 12 years, some at a pretty high level. I've watched soccer and played it competitively for even longer. The last time I've ever seen anyone called for that particular offense was a U-10 soccer game. I've seen goalies, and other players, warned not to waste time, and after the warning they didn't because they'd been warned not to. Not only did she get a free pass multiple times, she got a warning after the free passes. This is pretty clear cut.
 
2012-08-08 09:27:39 PM

redmid17: carnifex2005: So you claim she got numerous warnings. Tell me any other time that penalty has been done in a high level match? You may find one maybe two in all of the history of World Cups or Olympics. In all my years watching soccer I've never seen it and I've watched for over 30 years. That is the huge problem with the call. It may be in the laws but it certainly isn't a rule that is called unless the ref was being a jerk or incompetent.

I've never seen that penalty in a high level match, mostly because I've never seen so many egregious violations of the rule. A 16+ count on three separate occasions with a verbal warning is so generous, I don't even know where to start. I don't think she was making much of an effort to get up off the ground (to get clear of opposition) either, so that's not even an excuse. I refereed for 12 years, some at a pretty high level. I've watched soccer and played it competitively for even longer. The last time I've ever seen anyone called for that particular offense was a U-10 soccer game. I've seen goalies, and other players, warned not to waste time, and after the warning they didn't because they'd been warned not to. Not only did she get a free pass multiple times, she got a warning after the free passes. This is pretty clear cut.


If you've watched any World Cup qualification match (women's or men's) in any location (UEFA, CONCACAF, etc) for the past two decades, McClouds behavior isn't even close to being abnormal. That call is also never called without a yellow going to the offending player first. After that is done, it's no issue. The ref just farked up. She wasn't up to the job.
 
2012-08-08 09:32:21 PM

carnifex2005: redmid17: carnifex2005: So you claim she got numerous warnings. Tell me any other time that penalty has been done in a high level match? You may find one maybe two in all of the history of World Cups or Olympics. In all my years watching soccer I've never seen it and I've watched for over 30 years. That is the huge problem with the call. It may be in the laws but it certainly isn't a rule that is called unless the ref was being a jerk or incompetent.

I've never seen that penalty in a high level match, mostly because I've never seen so many egregious violations of the rule. A 16+ count on three separate occasions with a verbal warning is so generous, I don't even know where to start. I don't think she was making much of an effort to get up off the ground (to get clear of opposition) either, so that's not even an excuse. I refereed for 12 years, some at a pretty high level. I've watched soccer and played it competitively for even longer. The last time I've ever seen anyone called for that particular offense was a U-10 soccer game. I've seen goalies, and other players, warned not to waste time, and after the warning they didn't because they'd been warned not to. Not only did she get a free pass multiple times, she got a warning after the free passes. This is pretty clear cut.

If you've watched any World Cup qualification match (women's or men's) in any location (UEFA, CONCACAF, etc) for the past two decades, McClouds behavior isn't even close to being abnormal. That call is also never called without a yellow going to the offending player first. After that is done, it's no issue. The ref just farked up. She wasn't up to the job.


Dude I've watched WC quals and tons of international leagues for the last 12 years and I've never seen a keeper hold onto the ball nearly as long as her. I played goalie in HS on a good team and I've never seen anyone hold that ball for nearly that long.
 
2012-08-08 09:45:24 PM
American love to win games by loopholes, I will vomit on the next douch that want to play "valley rules" for a beer.

"I know that you seem to have won the game, but you actually lose because the whiteball touched a cushion after the eightball went in..."that sort of americanism.
 
2012-08-08 09:53:45 PM

Vance Uppercut: American love to win games by loopholes, I will vomit on the next douch that want to play "valley rules" for a beer.

"I know that you seem to have won the game, but you actually lose because the whiteball touched a cushion after the eightball went in..."that sort of americanism.


Winning by loopholes is better than losing because you don't know the rules are willfully violate them multiple times and then still lose because you can't play defense.
 
2012-08-08 10:00:32 PM

redmid17: carnifex2005: redmid17: carnifex2005: So you claim she got numerous warnings. Tell me any other time that penalty has been done in a high level match? You may find one maybe two in all of the history of World Cups or Olympics. In all my years watching soccer I've never seen it and I've watched for over 30 years. That is the huge problem with the call. It may be in the laws but it certainly isn't a rule that is called unless the ref was being a jerk or incompetent.

I've never seen that penalty in a high level match, mostly because I've never seen so many egregious violations of the rule. A 16+ count on three separate occasions with a verbal warning is so generous, I don't even know where to start. I don't think she was making much of an effort to get up off the ground (to get clear of opposition) either, so that's not even an excuse. I refereed for 12 years, some at a pretty high level. I've watched soccer and played it competitively for even longer. The last time I've ever seen anyone called for that particular offense was a U-10 soccer game. I've seen goalies, and other players, warned not to waste time, and after the warning they didn't because they'd been warned not to. Not only did she get a free pass multiple times, she got a warning after the free passes. This is pretty clear cut.

If you've watched any World Cup qualification match (women's or men's) in any location (UEFA, CONCACAF, etc) for the past two decades, McClouds behavior isn't even close to being abnormal. That call is also never called without a yellow going to the offending player first. After that is done, it's no issue. The ref just farked up. She wasn't up to the job.

Dude I've watched WC quals and tons of international leagues for the last 12 years and I've never seen a keeper hold onto the ball nearly as long as her. I played goalie in HS on a good team and I've never seen anyone hold that ball for nearly that long.


Erm. Dude? Euro 2012 was full of it. Regularly you'd see a keeper catch a ball from a corner, then sprint out near the edge of the 18. Then he'd stand there yelling at his teammates for a time, bounce the ball two or three times, then get rid of it. It was never less than 10 seconds, and there were a few times where the keeper would take almost twice that, from the time he caught the ball to the time he got rid of it. There were even times where the keeper would run from one side of the 18 box to the other! (Made me long for the "4 Step Rule" from the ancient days of Soccer, when I was playing in competitive leagues, where some ref's would count out loud how many steps the keepers would take.) On at least one occasion a ref came and had a rather animated chat with a keeper, who noticeably increased his speed at getting rid of the ball for the rest of the game.

Come on, dude; yeah, the ref was within her rights to call delay of game. Just like how a cop can pull you over for doing 53 in a 50 zone. And it's about the same on the justification scale. Trying to say that McLeod's actions are abnormal or unusual for high level soccer is just plain dishonest.
 
2012-08-08 10:07:51 PM

Techhell: redmid17: carnifex2005: redmid17: carnifex2005: So you claim she got numerous warnings. Tell me any other time that penalty has been done in a high level match? You may find one maybe two in all of the history of World Cups or Olympics. In all my years watching soccer I've never seen it and I've watched for over 30 years. That is the huge problem with the call. It may be in the laws but it certainly isn't a rule that is called unless the ref was being a jerk or incompetent.

I've never seen that penalty in a high level match, mostly because I've never seen so many egregious violations of the rule. A 16+ count on three separate occasions with a verbal warning is so generous, I don't even know where to start. I don't think she was making much of an effort to get up off the ground (to get clear of opposition) either, so that's not even an excuse. I refereed for 12 years, some at a pretty high level. I've watched soccer and played it competitively for even longer. The last time I've ever seen anyone called for that particular offense was a U-10 soccer game. I've seen goalies, and other players, warned not to waste time, and after the warning they didn't because they'd been warned not to. Not only did she get a free pass multiple times, she got a warning after the free passes. This is pretty clear cut.

If you've watched any World Cup qualification match (women's or men's) in any location (UEFA, CONCACAF, etc) for the past two decades, McClouds behavior isn't even close to being abnormal. That call is also never called without a yellow going to the offending player first. After that is done, it's no issue. The ref just farked up. She wasn't up to the job.

Dude I've watched WC quals and tons of international leagues for the last 12 years and I've never seen a keeper hold onto the ball nearly as long as her. I played goalie in HS on a good team and I've never seen anyone hold that ball for nearly that long.

Erm. Dude? Euro 2012 was full of it. Regularly you'd see a keepe ...


I didn't see that in Euro 2012. Ten seconds is pushing it from gaining control to releasing the ball. You notice they stopped after the warning though apparently?

Honestly for all the biatching about the IFK because of the delay call, I thought the penalty kick was worse. Easily justified as a PK and not at all uncommon, but it was worse.
 
2012-08-08 10:29:31 PM

redmid17: Techhell: redmid17:
Dude I've watched WC quals and tons of international leagues for the last 12 years and I've never seen a keeper hold onto the ball nearly as long as her. I played goalie in HS on a good team and I've never seen anyone hold that ball for nearly that long.

Erm. Dude? Euro 2012 was full of it. Regularly you'd see a keeper catch a ball from a corner, then sprint out near the edge of the 18. Then he'd stand there yelling at his teammates for a time, bounce the ball two or three times, then get rid of it. It was never less than 10 seconds, and there were a few times where the keeper would take almost twice that, from the time he caught the ball to the time he got rid of it. There were even times where the keeper would run from one side of the 18 box to the other! (Made me long for the "4 Step Rule" from the ancient days of Soccer, when I was playing in competitive leagues, where some ref's would count out loud how many steps the keepers would take.) On at least one occasion a ref came and had a rather animated chat with a keeper, who noticeably increased his speed at getting rid of the ball for the rest of the game.

Come on, dude; yeah, the ref was within her rights to call delay of game. Just like how a cop can pull you over for doing 53 in a 50 zone. And it's about the same on the justification scale. Trying to say that McLeod's actions are abnormal or unusual for high level soccer is just plain dishonest.

I didn't see that in Euro 2012. Ten seconds is pushing it from gaining control to releasing the ball. You notice they stopped after the warning though apparently?

Honestly for all the biatching about the IFK because of the delay call, I thought the penalty kick was worse. Easily justified as a PK and not at all uncommon, but it was worse.


10 seconds was about average at Euro 2012. When the one keeper was warned, the announcers sounded somewhat surprised, but yes, after the warning they did speed it up.

As for the penalty kick, I don't get the biatching about it. But then I'm nostalgic for the days when hand balls weren't subjective; the ball hit your hand, you got called. Even if I was covering my favourite toy of my teenage years, I got called. (it was a small trade off; keeping the boys from getting battered was worth a hand ball, even a penalty kick.) This new subjective "Ball to Hand" crap that some people have gone on about is BS to me.
 
2012-08-08 10:33:58 PM

Techhell: redmid17: Techhell: redmid17:
Dude I've watched WC quals and tons of international leagues for the last 12 years and I've never seen a keeper hold onto the ball nearly as long as her. I played goalie in HS on a good team and I've never seen anyone hold that ball for nearly that long.

Erm. Dude? Euro 2012 was full of it. Regularly you'd see a keeper catch a ball from a corner, then sprint out near the edge of the 18. Then he'd stand there yelling at his teammates for a time, bounce the ball two or three times, then get rid of it. It was never less than 10 seconds, and there were a few times where the keeper would take almost twice that, from the time he caught the ball to the time he got rid of it. There were even times where the keeper would run from one side of the 18 box to the other! (Made me long for the "4 Step Rule" from the ancient days of Soccer, when I was playing in competitive leagues, where some ref's would count out loud how many steps the keepers would take.) On at least one occasion a ref came and had a rather animated chat with a keeper, who noticeably increased his speed at getting rid of the ball for the rest of the game.

Come on, dude; yeah, the ref was within her rights to call delay of game. Just like how a cop can pull you over for doing 53 in a 50 zone. And it's about the same on the justification scale. Trying to say that McLeod's actions are abnormal or unusual for high level soccer is just plain dishonest.

I didn't see that in Euro 2012. Ten seconds is pushing it from gaining control to releasing the ball. You notice they stopped after the warning though apparently?

Honestly for all the biatching about the IFK because of the delay call, I thought the penalty kick was worse. Easily justified as a PK and not at all uncommon, but it was worse.

10 seconds was about average at Euro 2012. When the one keeper was warned, the announcers sounded somewhat surprised, but yes, after the warning they did speed it up.

As for the penalty kick, I don ...


It was less strict when I was playing a few years ago. When I was officiating, I only called a PK (or FK outside of the box) if the other team got a benefit from it, deliberately or unintentionally. My 2nd least favorite call of all time was the "non" handball against Torsten Frings in the 02 WC against Germany. It didn't look like he hit the ball intentionally -- he was lined up on the back post during a corner kick -- but his arm prevented the ball from crossing the goal line. He didn't deserve a card, but that was definitely a PK

/fark you hugh dallas
 
2012-08-08 10:34:08 PM
I heard the speech enough times that I feel I can accurately channel my old coach's sentiment on these matters: "Referree fark-ups are part of the game. If you don't want to lose a game because of it, be up by two goals and take the refs out of the picture." Canada also had 35+ more minutes to score a goal and didn't.

That said, the delay call is absolutely on par. The only complaint is it should have been called earlier. Even as an American fan though I have to say the penalty was a little weak. If she has her hands at her side and gets nailed with the ball I don't see how that's intentional.

/My sympathy is significantly reduced by the amount of blatant time wasting taking place. In my opinion its the worst part of the game after diving and I love it when it blows up in people's faces.
//After this game and last year's win over Brazil, I think it would be wise for any future teams nursing a lead late against the US to just try to play it out rather than find every excuse to waste time.
 
rka
2012-08-08 10:38:22 PM
So now the ref was over her head? Just this morning the Canadian media was all abuzz about how "unusual" it was that this ref wasn't doing the gold medal game because she was, in their words, so experienced. They were pointing to it as evidence that FIFA had suspended her. But this evening the talking point is that she was in over her head.

What a bunch a shiat coming from up north. Utter tripe.
 
2012-08-08 11:35:04 PM
All the holding the ball bullshiat did was set up the fake "handball", which was actually ball to hand, because the player could not possibly have moved in time and instinctively covered herself. THAT is what put the ball in front of the wide open net and and splooged all over the Yanks. Asterisk.
 
2012-08-09 01:58:53 AM
I thought getting bored and changing the channel halfway through was assumed.
 
2012-08-09 11:25:27 AM

JohnAnnArbor: carnifex2005: redmid17: barefoot in the head: Refusing to roll over for bullshiat is not whining. All you do is reinforce the yay me because the winner doesn't care . Big farking deal. We do.

It is whining if it isn't bullshiat. Would you care for me to give you an incredibly detailed, rule-oriented version of why it's not?

It was a bullshiat call. Only a huge American homer would think that it was anything but stupid. The ref was way over her head in that game.

The delay rule exists, and the referee warned that it would be enforced after several previous violations.

This is whining. The Canadian team's strategy depended on delay. Too bad the rules got in the way.


And you know the United States would have done the EXACT SAME THING if they were holding the lead with 10 minutes to go. It was a bullshiat call that hasnt been called since early 2000's. It didn't help that Wambach was screaming in the refs ear the entire time our goalkeeper had the ball. The real whiners were the Americans who screamed in the refs ear every chance they got. The Canadians got screwed out of a gold medal game, and Sinclair stood on her head the entire time.

Mia Hamm has nothing on Sinclair. NOTHING. She's got Rocket Richard eyes and put the entire team on her back that game, after all the times the Americans have screwed our girls out of the world championships, we deserved this one. It was bullshiat. Now Sinclair will probably retired and Tancredi will leave as well and the Canadian womens soccer team will return to the same form as the men's team. I hope Christine gets into the hall of fame, but she'll probably get denied for it too just because everyone outside of Canada hates her play. Its a damn shame and we have a right to be pissed about it, and the way that Canada's team is treated on the field.

I hope you're happy Americans. Now you can get all those championships and medals handed to you like usual again.
 
2012-08-09 11:28:35 AM

BudTheSpud: JohnAnnArbor: carnifex2005: redmid17: barefoot in the head: Refusing to roll over for bullshiat is not whining. All you do is reinforce the yay me because the winner doesn't care . Big farking deal. We do.

It is whining if it isn't bullshiat. Would you care for me to give you an incredibly detailed, rule-oriented version of why it's not?

It was a bullshiat call. Only a huge American homer would think that it was anything but stupid. The ref was way over her head in that game.

The delay rule exists, and the referee warned that it would be enforced after several previous violations.

This is whining. The Canadian team's strategy depended on delay. Too bad the rules got in the way.

And you know the United States would have done the EXACT SAME THING if they were holding the lead with 10 minutes to go. It was a bullshiat call that hasnt been called since early 2000's. It didn't help that Wambach was screaming in the refs ear the entire time our goalkeeper had the ball. The real whiners were the Americans who screamed in the refs ear every chance they got. The Canadians got screwed out of a gold medal game, and Sinclair stood on her head the entire time.

Mia Hamm has nothing on Sinclair. NOTHING. She's got Rocket Richard eyes and put the entire team on her back that game, after all the times the Americans have screwed our girls out of the world championships, we deserved this one. It was bullshiat. Now Sinclair will probably retired and Tancredi will leave as well and the Canadian womens soccer team will return to the same form as the men's team. I hope Christine gets into the hall of fame, but she'll probably get denied for it too just because everyone outside of Canada hates her play. Its a damn shame and we have a right to be pissed about it, and the way that Canada's team is treated on the field.

I hope you're happy Americans. Now you can get all those championships and medals handed to you like usual again.


By paying attention to the rules and putting the ball into the back of the net when necessary?
 
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