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(Crap My Kids Watch)   Forget the right wing storyline, the best moral in "The Incredibles" comes from the villain   (crapmykidswatch.com) divider line 153
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2012-08-08 12:07:35 PM
Your blog is an eyesore.
 
2012-08-08 12:20:27 PM
Moral of the story: "No capes!"
 
2012-08-08 12:33:01 PM
Rightwing storyline? I must have missed that part. Great movie though.
 
2012-08-08 12:46:17 PM
Blame the lawyers, the same ones who would have gotten him off on an insanity defense if it wasn't for the unpleasant interaction of his cape with his plane's engine. If hadn't been for the lawsuits, just after the Mr. Incredible and "Buddy" encounter, that forced the super heroes into exile, one of the superheros probably would groomed Syndrome to be one of them. Also, he really should have been on Homeland Security's watch list long before he unleashed his robot killers.
 
2012-08-08 01:11:03 PM

Therion: Moral of the story: "No capes!"


THIS.

/DNRTFA
 
2012-08-08 01:12:40 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Rightwing storyline? I must have missed that part. Great movie though.


This.
 
2012-08-08 01:13:41 PM
That website is horrendous. Don't bother RTFA.
 
2012-08-08 01:15:17 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Rightwing storyline? I must have missed that part.


It's pretty Randian if you want to look at it in that way.

Ayn Rand watches The Incredibles
 
2012-08-08 01:18:09 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Rightwing storyline? I must have missed that part. Great movie though.


I believe he's referring to the line "It's not a graduation! He's moving from the 4th grade to the 5th grade. We keep coming up with new ways to celebrate mediocrity, but if someone is actually good at something ... let him try out for sports!"

It does sound rather Randian in retrospect, something I hadn't noticed until just now.
 
2012-08-08 01:20:39 PM
I always wondered what happened to the bad guys after superheros were banned. No way would they just give up their life of crime, although maybe the guy that robbed the bank at the beginning might have retired.
 
2012-08-08 01:21:40 PM
IIRC in the begining of the movie Mr. Incredible was pissed because Buddy kept showing up everywhere and got in the way and he signed everything Buddy gave him talked to him probably a billion times and he still got in the way. Im sure Mr. Incredible just had enough of dealing with him and kept trying to keep him out of harms way. So in order to save the kids life he had to be a dick to him cause being nice to him didnt work.
 
2012-08-08 01:24:55 PM
Mr. Incredible was on food stamps and welfare, did anyone help him out? No. No.
 
2012-08-08 01:25:53 PM

damageddude: Also, he really should have been on Homeland Security's watch list long before he unleashed his robot killers.

killer robots.

"you have to be more...flexible"

/fap
 
2012-08-08 01:26:43 PM
The gist I got from that scene was that Buddy has been a pain in Mr. I's butt for a long time before that point.
 
2012-08-08 01:27:35 PM
Elastigirl gave me the weirdest boner. That's what I got out of it.
 
2012-08-08 01:28:32 PM

salvador.hardin: Mr. Incredible was on food stamps and welfare, did anyone help him out? No. No.


Well done sir. Hayden Fox salutes you.
 
2012-08-08 01:32:36 PM

bluecrabscribe: Elastigirl gave me the weirdest boner. That's what I got out of it.


I just did a GIS for Elastigirl, and evidently you are not alone.
 
2012-08-08 01:32:36 PM

MadCat221: The gist I got from that scene was that Buddy has been a pain in Mr. I's butt for a long time before that point.


Yes. very much so, Brody? Buddy, had been playing this tune for quite some time before it got to that. At that point, I'd say ejecting the brat from car was the most humane thing that could be done.

//Loved the Brody - Mallrats shout out
//NO CAPES!!
 
2012-08-08 01:34:58 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Rightwing storyline? I must have missed that part. Great movie though.


You have to want it.

The Incredibles are a classic Nuclear Family -- ZOMG! Traditionalist propaganda. Right wing!
Helen Parr is a homemaker -- ZOMG! Chauvinist oppression. Right wing!
No openly gay characters -- ZOMG! Intolerance. Right wing!
Only the villain relies on technology -- ZOMG! Anti-science. Right wing!
etc.

@ Snapper Carr

Again, I think you have to want it. I can sort of see that article's "some people are just special" angle... maybe. But Rand might just as well have been offended by the vilification of Syndrome. He practically IS John Galt. "Within society, I'm prevented from achieving my true, glorious potential. I shall take my toys and go into hiding, where I can flourish in a land without all these 'rules'." It's really only when he creates a catastrophe as a false showcase for his merit that he steps out of bounds from a Randian perspective (IMHO).

/oh, and the article linked by subby is dumb.
 
2012-08-08 01:35:25 PM

Sim Tree: I believe he's referring to the line "It's not a graduation! He's moving from the 4th grade to the 5th grade. We keep coming up with new ways to celebrate mediocrity, but if someone is actually good at something ... let him try out for sports!"

It does sound rather Randian in retrospect, something I hadn't noticed until just now.


OK, but it's not like its expressing uber red themes or anything. 4th grade graduation is farking ridiculous.
 
2012-08-08 01:40:51 PM
I love reading articles about this movie. It's in my top 5, probably near the top. I have thought about the Rand-esque themes in the movie, as well as the fact that Syndrome had worked for his power, whereas the Incredibles just kinda had powers by birthright.

It's certainly got a lot more to think about than most kids movies, but, again, that's how Pixar rolls!
 
2012-08-08 01:43:56 PM
"Sure, Syndrome may have killed dozens of innocent superheroes as part of his plan for glory, but it was necessary to fulfill his plan and show his genius!"

Just like Fast & Furious. What's 300 dead Mexicans?

/Fortunately, I know satire when I read it...
 
2012-08-08 01:46:22 PM
t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-08-08 01:49:00 PM

Blues_X: bluecrabscribe: Elastigirl gave me the weirdest boner. That's what I got out of it.

I just did a GIS for Elastigirl, and evidently you are not alone.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net

/watcha gonna do with all that junk?
 
2012-08-08 01:49:31 PM
It is entirely possible that Rand is right, a little. Not completely, because her philosophy taken in its entirety to its conclusion is insane. But some people are simply better than others. Life should not be about bringing those who do great things to the level of those who do not; it should be about helping those who lack the means to do great things but not the ambition.

/"Becoming rich" is not a great thing.
//Curing Cancer is
 
2012-08-08 01:51:14 PM
ConConHead
That website is horrendous. Don't bother RTFA.


It's so bad that it doesn't even load for me if I click on the text fragment.
 
2012-08-08 01:51:52 PM
"Syndrome Obama never actually kills anyone himself. His robot is guns are responsible for the deaths of about a dozen superheroes 300 Mexicans, but it's not as if he hunted them down in cold blood. They were offered good money for the opportunity to be heroes again (now an illegal activity), and they took it. Every last one turned out to be incapable of defeating the robot drug lords. They could have just stayed home. It's not as if Syndrome Obama unleashed the robot on a major city guns illegally and then claimed executive privilege on all the subpoenaed documents."
 
2012-08-08 01:53:04 PM

JokerMattly: /"Becoming rich" is not a great thing.


I'd like to try it sometime.
 
2012-08-08 01:53:07 PM
Let me try:

A Leftist Intellectual, Syndrome, is out to give a chance for all people to be equal, by giving (selling, but mass production and IP infringement would drive costs down eventually) the "undeserving" super suits.

The Great Right Hope manages to reinstate the status quo by destroying him with his own foofery (his cape), thus ensuring that the 99% cannot achieve the powers that would give them equality.

/am now depressed that I may think of this next time I watch it
//or, it could be a proof that an action movie could still have a good plot and characters and emotion
 
2012-08-08 01:55:01 PM

LawrencePerson: "Syndrome Obama never actually kills anyone himself. His robot is guns are responsible for the deaths of about a dozen superheroes 300 Mexicans, but it's not as if he hunted them down in cold blood. They were offered good money for the opportunity to be heroes again (now an illegal activity), and they took it. Every last one turned out to be incapable of defeating the robot drug lords. They could have just stayed home. It's not as if Syndrome Obama unleashed the robot on a major city guns illegally and then claimed executive privilege on all the subpoenaed documents."


tl;dr, wrong tab.

GTFO and have a nice day
 
2012-08-08 01:58:05 PM

Witty_Retort: Let me try:

A Leftist Intellectual, Syndrome, is out to give a chance for all people to be equal, by giving (selling, but mass production and IP infringement would drive costs down eventually) the "undeserving" super suits. He also tries to accomplish this by murdering the 1%'s he feel will further his goals.
The Great Right Hope manages to reinstate the status quo by destroying him with his own foofery (his cape), thus ensuring that the 99% cannot achieve the powers that would give them equality.

/am now depressed that I may think of this next time I watch it
//or, it could be a proof that an action movie could still have a good plot and characters and emotion


Now a little more accurate.
 
2012-08-08 01:59:55 PM

bluecrabscribe: Elastigirl gave me the weirdest boner. That's what I got out of it.


Not all that odd. Lots of guys sexually idealize tiny, flexible, women, for unnatural sexual activities etc. it's been an ongoing thing for centuries at least.

It's also why she was the mom, and not the daughter, heh.
 
2012-08-08 02:00:00 PM
Oh, WAGH!" I didn't get to ride along with Mr. Incredible."

At least he had an ejector seat.
Do you KNOW how many cops wrestled me out of Scarlet Johansson's car because I wanted to be Black Widow's sidekick?
 
2012-08-08 02:02:50 PM

kroonermanblack: bluecrabscribe: Elastigirl gave me the weirdest boner. That's what I got out of it.

Not all that odd. Lots of guys sexually idealize tiny, flexible, women, for unnatural sexual activities etc. it's been an ongoing thing for centuries at least.

It's also why she was the mom, and not the daughter, heh.


The daughter was hot too, in an emo-ish, "I'm going to cut myself and write bad poetry" sort of way.

/I'll have a seat over there.
 
2012-08-08 02:03:07 PM
Poor, misunderstood Buddy.. who dares Mr. Incredible to kill his girlfriend, and later attempts to kidnap Mr. Incredible's *child* in order to raise it himself.

The blog is an interesting mental exercise, but the character of Buddy clearly has a deranged mind. Basically, he never grew up. Functional adults are able to move on from the ways they are wronged in childhood (as long as those wrongs aren't traumatizing). Buddy never lets go of being 'let down' by Mr. Incredible, who rightly doesn't want to involve a child in--and has to rescue him from--deadly situations. He can't comprehend that. Some genius.
 
2012-08-08 02:03:40 PM
... Yeah, that's the definition of "Fifty pounds of bullshiat in a ten pound bag" right there. You could just as easily say that it's a left-wing movie because (to pull an example out of my ass) the subjugation of the supers mirrors the subjugation of gay people and other minorities in the US.
 
2012-08-08 02:06:18 PM
Don't care what the hell your reason is or why...

If you're friggin' killing people that aren't attacking you...then you're being put down.

/simple
 
2012-08-08 02:07:49 PM

thecpt: OK, but it's not like its expressing uber red themes or anything. 4th grade graduation is farking ridiculous.


Brad Bird is on record as saying it's not Randian, but that he has a problem with mediocrity being celebrated.
 
2012-08-08 02:08:20 PM
The "NO CAPES" segment was the only thing I hated about this movie.

Otherwise I love it to death.

WTF? Superman won't be killed by a farking turbine...

And characters that use capes are generally very durable to make it negligible.

Yeah, a turbine/revolving door/etc is going to stop/kill/defeat Superman, Thor, Gladiator, Sentry, Martian Manhunter, Captain Marvel, etc.

The only major non-durable characters that use long capes are Batman, Doctor Doom and Magneto:

Magneto controls the electromagnetic spectrum and can augment his strength.
Doctor Doom wears a super armor and knows magic.
Batman is the Goddamn Batman.
 
2012-08-08 02:16:36 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Rightwing storyline? I must have missed that part. Great movie though.


There is no rightwing story line. It was one of several movies that the conservatives claimed as their own in 2004. They latched on to The Incredibles because it was pro-family and in a deleted scene, Helen defends being a stay-at-home mother. They also latched onto Team America, which makes a little more sense because the message of that movie was that pussies need dicks to take care of the assholes.
 
2012-08-08 02:16:53 PM

Lyonid: AdolfOliverPanties: Rightwing storyline? I must have missed that part. Great movie though.

You have to want it.

The Incredibles are a classic Nuclear Family -- ZOMG! Traditionalist propaganda. Right wing!
Helen Parr is a homemaker -- ZOMG! Chauvinist oppression. Right wing!
No openly gay characters -- ZOMG! Intolerance. Right wing!
Only the villain relies on technology -- ZOMG! Anti-science. Right wing!
etc.


Except that it's the right-wingers that have been trying to claim it as their own (like any successful movie that has exceptional individuals in it), not phantom left-wingers decrying it like you seem to think. But I know, projection is just a thing you do.
 
2012-08-08 02:18:34 PM
groppet: IIRC in the begining of the movie Mr. Incredible was pissed because Buddy kept showing up everywhere and got in the way and he signed everything Buddy gave him talked to him probably a billion times and he still got in the way. Im sure Mr. Incredible just had enough of dealing with him and kept trying to keep him out of harms way. So in order to save the kids life he had to be a dick to him cause being nice to him didnt work.

This. Kid was a hardcore stalker who just wouldn't take no for an answer and Mr. Incredible was a lot more patient with him than most of us would have been.
 
2012-08-08 02:19:35 PM
Seriously. dont be an apologist for that shiat. "I WANT TO HELP" Is in no way a substitute for "can help". Anyone who's had a toddler fark something up and go "IM HELPING" knows this. In my experience the help you didnt ask for causes more problems than the problem you were trying to solve. If buddy wanted to be helpful he would have offered his services. Not gotten in the way. As it was he was a self aggrandizing arrogant little jerk even as a child. Does Mr Incredible handle it in a really crappy way? Yeah but it plays into the whole theme of the "super heroes are people too" in the movie. It doesnt excuse buddy's actions.
 
2012-08-08 02:22:00 PM

bluecrabscribe: Elastigirl gave me the weirdest boner. That's what I got out of it.


Nothing weird about it, big ass and flexibility is *never* overrated.
 
2012-08-08 02:24:30 PM

TheOriginalEd: Seriously. dont be an apologist for that shiat. "I WANT TO HELP" Is in no way a substitute for "can help". Anyone who's had a toddler fark something up and go "IM HELPING" knows this. In my experience the help you didnt ask for causes more problems than the problem you were trying to solve. If buddy wanted to be helpful he would have offered his services. Not gotten in the way. As it was he was a self aggrandizing arrogant little jerk even as a child. Does Mr Incredible handle it in a really crappy way? Yeah but it plays into the whole theme of the "super heroes are people too" in the movie. It doesnt excuse buddy's actions.


In the commentary, Brad Bird said that was what he had in mind when he developed Buddy/Syndrome to give him a little bit of humanity. He meant well, but even as a kid it was clear that he had some serious mental issues. His obsession was Mr Incredible was unhealthy. And when he finally got rejected by him, his mind snapped. You feel for him a bit, but doesn't excuse his killing all those other supers.
 
2012-08-08 02:25:49 PM
Oh for fark's sake

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2012-08-08 02:27:06 PM

Snapper Carr: AdolfOliverPanties: Rightwing storyline? I must have missed that part.

It's pretty Randian if you want to look at it in that way.



How could anyone see any direct connection to Randianism in a simple kid movie like The Incredibles?

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-08 02:27:36 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Rightwing storyline? I must have missed that part. Great movie though.


There's some lines in the movie that Objectivists have latched on to. Notably, the one about how if everyone were super, no one would be super. Some read that as a Randian shout out.
 
2012-08-08 02:32:41 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: There's some lines in the movie that Objectivists have latched on to. Notably, the one about how if everyone were super, no one would be super. Some read that as a Randian shout out.


But the person who said it was evil?
 
2012-08-08 02:34:45 PM

farkeruk: thecpt: OK, but it's not like its expressing uber red themes or anything. 4th grade graduation is farking ridiculous.

Brad Bird is on record as saying it's not Randian, but that he has a problem with mediocrity being celebrated.


It would be interesting to contrast this with Bird's previous blockbuster hit, The Iron Giant. What messages were in that that could be considered left or right-wing?
 
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