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(Salon)   "Why Does The Left Ignore Atheists?" Look, Alternet Journalist, I know you live in some fancy shmancy place like New York or LA, but here in flyover country, there's this little thing called "evangelicalism"   (salon.com) divider line 109
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2012-08-08 12:17:09 PM  
Because the country is 90% self identified theist and even the Democrats aren't dumb enough to embrace those percentages.

/Member of the Godless Untouchable Caste in America
 
2012-08-08 01:16:36 PM  

Ennuipoet: Because the country is 90% self identified theist and even the Democrats aren't dumb enough to embrace those percentages.

/Member of the Godless Untouchable Caste in America


Polls asking "would you vote for a [BLANK]", atheist score lower than Muslim.
 
2012-08-08 01:23:11 PM  
Can't possibly be because atheists don't base their votes on religious pandering...
 
2012-08-08 01:23:35 PM  
What is there to talk about?
 
2012-08-08 01:24:13 PM  
America is a very religious country .... there are a multitude of different beliefs here.
We atheists are a pretty small group.
 
2012-08-08 01:24:29 PM  

LarryDan43: What is there to talk about?


took long enough... I'm missing the outrage I guess
 
2012-08-08 01:25:31 PM  
I think it could happen but it would have to be for a local election in a super liberal district that like every atheist in the country donated money to
 
2012-08-08 01:25:48 PM  

impaler: Ennuipoet: Because the country is 90% self identified theist and even the Democrats aren't dumb enough to embrace those percentages.

/Member of the Godless Untouchable Caste in America

Polls asking "would you vote for a [BLANK]", atheist score lower than Muslim.


And the only group lower than atheists in the poll are 'politicians who defend atheists'.

Theists are very intolerant.
 
2012-08-08 01:26:18 PM  
Can't speak for LA, but in NY atheism isn't even that common. It's more that people's social circles revolve around things other than church: say, the people who live on their block or in their building, or cousins and extended family, or the parents of their children's friends, or just folks who are the same ethnicity and speak the same language. Church still seems pretty damned popular here, but 50% of folks can't be bothered to wake up early on a Sunday because there's plenty of other opportunities to socialize through the week.
 
2012-08-08 01:26:38 PM  

impaler: Ennuipoet: Because the country is 90% self identified theist and even the Democrats aren't dumb enough to embrace those percentages.

/Member of the Godless Untouchable Caste in America

Polls asking "would you vote for a [BLANK]", atheist score lower than Muslim.


Atheists score lower than everyone on that test. More than half the county has an unfavorable (or very unfavorable) opinion of them.

I don't talk about my lack of religion very much since its just too easy to alienate people. My 11-year-old son asked me the other day if I believed and I answered him honestly. We were discussing if he believes (he's on the doubting end) but I had to explain to him that he *couldn't* talk about this with any member of my wife's family other than her.
 
2012-08-08 01:26:54 PM  
WTF is the point of that article? Democrats don't hold up atheists as the paragons of leftitude, so we're ignoring them?
 
2012-08-08 01:27:18 PM  
As a constituency, there's nothing that atheists really want that's specific to atheism, except no religion in government, schools, etc., which they're already quite adept at using the legal system to achieve.
 
2012-08-08 01:27:39 PM  
Because.... Who cares? There's nothing to appeal to atheists generally. I don't care what people believe; I just ask that you don't try to force/push your beliefs on others and have the State/Government help. Doesn't matter if you're atheist, Jewish, Christian, etc.
 
2012-08-08 01:28:19 PM  
Because we'll vote for them anyway because they aren't trying to beat us to death with bibles or raise our rape babies?
 
2012-08-08 01:28:32 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: America is a very religious country .... there are a multitude of different beliefs here.
We atheists are a pretty small group.


Only like 5 million call themselves atheists, but closer to 20 million are atheist/agnostic/non religious. Wait shiat that's still nothing
 
2012-08-08 01:28:48 PM  
Most people are practicing Pascal's Wager.
 
2012-08-08 01:28:56 PM  

Ennuipoet: Because the country is 90% self identified theist and even the Democrats aren't dumb enough to embrace those percentages.

/Member of the Godless Untouchable Caste in America


It's really a good question. 90% of Americans are straight and those in the LGBT community generally vote dem already anyway. Yet the Democrats just incorporated a pro gay rights plank into their platform.

The question really is, do atheists as a whole want something? I mean sure, freedom to not be religious but that's already pretty well protected under the constitution. What atheist concerns aren't being addressed?
 
2012-08-08 01:30:44 PM  
Not all atheists ascribe to left wing ideas.

Or as I once put it.

I didn't escape the fate of being beholden to a religion just so I could throw the shackles of big government on myself instead.
 
2012-08-08 01:30:46 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: America is a very religious country .... there are a multitude of different beliefs here.
We atheists are a pretty small group.


Hell. I'm still farking THRILLED that Obama used the word "athiests" once. And I'm not even really athiest. But it was good to be recognized at least.
 
2012-08-08 01:31:28 PM  

odinsposse:
The question really is, do atheists as a whole want something? I mean sure, freedom to not be religious but that's already pretty well protected under the constitution. What atheist concerns aren't being addressed?


The right to cockpunch proselytizers who keep on trying after I tell them "believe me... you really don't want me at your bible study.. I bring citations."
 
2012-08-08 01:32:46 PM  
We all know atheists cant be trusted with political power because they will get crap done. You know instead of anti-abortion bills, and anti-Sharia law bills, anti-women rights bills, anti-marriage equality bills, naming things after St. Reagan bills, paying private lawyers to defend unconstitutional laws and spending millions to investigate things not neraly close to a "shady deal".
 
2012-08-08 01:32:57 PM  

randomjsa: I didn't escape the fate of being beholden to a religion just so I could throw the shackles of big government on myself instead.


Then why do you support a political party that would use big government to force their religious ideals on you?
 
2012-08-08 01:33:35 PM  

odinsposse: The question really is, do atheists as a whole want something? I mean sure, freedom to not be religious but that's already pretty well protected under the constitution. What atheist concerns aren't being addressed?


The right to live in a country where the whole middle doesn't enact batshiat insane laws that attempt to drag the country into the stone age
 
2012-08-08 01:33:40 PM  
We don't have enough critical mass in one place for anyone to pay attention to us.

It's probably going to be the next big social progressive fight though, after we're done sorting out gay rights.

I'm kinda frightened at the prospect, because after evangelicals lose the gay rights fight, I'm afraid they're going to be even angrier and more aggressive.
 
2012-08-08 01:33:50 PM  
Why does the right ignore thinking?
 
2012-08-08 01:34:31 PM  
Seems like the term atheist doesn't really distinguish between the non-religious, and all those assholes that vehemently proclaim there is no God, and that you're an idiot for thinking otherwise.

//was agnostic, am now vaguely spiritual or something
 
2012-08-08 01:34:52 PM  

randomjsa: Not all atheists ascribe to left wing ideas.

Or as I once put it.

I didn't escape the fate of being beholden to a religion just so I could throw the shackles of big government on myself instead.


Obama has the smallest government in decades while Bush and Reagen expanded it more than any Presidents in history. Every single thing you say is wrong. I really hope you are just an alt
 
2012-08-08 01:35:31 PM  
Atheists by and far already vote for Democrats except for a few who vote Libertarian. Republicans have already set themselves up as the enemy of atheists by being pro-theocracy. As long as Democrats continue to fight that they have the atheist vote.

We atheists aren't bigots and don't vote on a politician's personal religious belief, but rather whether you intend to force your religious biases into law.
 
2012-08-08 01:36:30 PM  
Heh. I'm an agnostic athiest in mid-Atlantic libbyland, and ya know, I am not going to expend "Political Capital" on that.

I have to wonder why people get so wound up about telling others where they're wrong. Get a life.
 
2012-08-08 01:36:46 PM  

SnakeLee: I think it could happen but it would have to be for a local election in a super liberal district that like every atheist in the country donated money to


Even in my super liberal city, I'd have to fight to win if it became general knowledge I was an atheist. I'm still toying with the idea though. I'd almost have to move to a different ward to get elected.
 
2012-08-08 01:36:57 PM  

randomjsa: Not all atheists ascribe to left wing ideas.

Or as I once put it.

I didn't escape the fate of being beholden to a religion just so I could throw the shackles of big government on myself instead.


Except that you did. And those shackles came with the chains of religion attached, to continue the metaphor.
 
2012-08-08 01:41:30 PM  
Atheism is an absolutist view of the universe that cannot be logically-supported. There is no way to prove or disprove the existence of the supernatural, so to categorically deny that it exists or can exist is an irrational point of view. Atheists have that in common with the religious...an irrational point of view...a religious bias, so to speak.
 
2012-08-08 01:41:33 PM  
Fart_Machine:

Most people are practicing Pascal's Wager.

I beg to differ. Most people are practicing "I think this is what would benefit me in society" without thinkining what works logically.

Which works.
 
2012-08-08 01:42:15 PM  

omgbears: Seems like the term atheist doesn't really distinguish between the non-religious, and all those assholes that vehemently proclaim there is no God, and that you're an idiot for thinking otherwise.

//was agnostic, am now vaguely spiritual or something


yeah, this.

/agnostic humanist if you must define me
 
2012-08-08 01:43:18 PM  

canyoneer: Atheism is an absolutist view of the universe that cannot be logically-supported. There is no way to prove or disprove the existence of the supernatural, so to categorically deny that it exists or can exist is an irrational point of view. Atheists have that in common with the religious...an irrational point of view...a religious bias, so to speak.


And just like with people who are religious, if you keep it to yourself / don't hurt others, I don't care. Believe what you want.
 
2012-08-08 01:43:33 PM  

Gwyrddu: We atheists aren't bigots and don't vote on a politician's personal religious belief, but rather whether you intend to force your religious biases into law.


We Theists aren't bigots and don't vote on a politician's personal anti-religious belief unless that individual intends to take away rights to service their bias.
Hard Core Right Wingers place their prejudice before any belief or faith, don't confuse the two.
/though I'm sure some will still be determined to.
 
2012-08-08 01:43:58 PM  

odinsposse: The question really is, do atheists as a whole want something? I mean sure, freedom to not be religious but that's already pretty well protected under the constitution. What atheist concerns aren't being addressed?


Exactly this. I don't know of any issues that only affect the atheist community. There's nothing to really rally around, and thats not a bad thing.
 
2012-08-08 01:44:17 PM  

SnakeLee: I think it could happen but it would have to be for a local election in a super liberal district that like every atheist in the country donated money to


Peter Stark is an atheist congressman from California. Ernie Chambers is an atheist state senator from Nebraska of all places. So it is possible for atheists to get into office albeit still depressingly rare, but you certainly don't have to be an atheist to get my support though.
 
2012-08-08 01:44:30 PM  

IHadMeAVision: I tell them "believe me... you really don't want me at your bible study.. I bring citations."


You know, I never considered trolling a bible study before. I probably wouldn't do it, because I'm too nice, but it's interesting to think about. "You think that's what this means? Well, turn to this chapter and verse and tell me how that contradiction works for you."
 
2012-08-08 01:44:35 PM  

Kurmudgeon: Gwyrddu: We atheists aren't bigots and don't vote on a politician's personal religious belief, but rather whether you intend to force your religious biases into law.

We Theists aren't bigots and don't vote on a politician's personal anti-religious belief unless that individual intends to take away rights to service their bias.
Hard Core Right Wingers place their prejudice before any belief or faith, don't confuse the two.
/though I'm sure some will still be determined to.


Can you name a single American politician that is currently trying to take away people's religious rights?
 
2012-08-08 01:45:01 PM  

canyoneer: Atheism is an absolutist view of the universe that cannot be logically-supported. There is no way to prove or disprove the existence of the supernatural, so to categorically deny that it exists or can exist is an irrational point of view. Atheists have that in common with the religious...an irrational point of view...a religious bias, so to speak.


[not_this_shiat_again.jpg]
 
2012-08-08 01:45:15 PM  

Kurmudgeon: don't vote on a politician's personal anti-religious belief


No one has ever been elected to a Federal office as an atheist, as far as I know. Only Pete Stark has ever even admitted to being one, and he did so after having served for 30 years when he was pretty well entrenched.

So what exactly are you talking about?
 
2012-08-08 01:52:49 PM  

meat0918: Kurmudgeon: Gwyrddu: We atheists aren't bigots and don't vote on a politician's personal religious belief, but rather whether you intend to force your religious biases into law.

We Theists aren't bigots and don't vote on a politician's personal anti-religious belief unless that individual intends to take away rights to service their bias.
Hard Core Right Wingers place their prejudice before any belief or faith, don't confuse the two.
/though I'm sure some will still be determined to.

Can you name a single American politician that is currently trying to take away people's religious rights?

s3.vidimg.popscreen.com
 
2012-08-08 01:53:27 PM  
No, i'm not a christian because my parents brainwashed me as a child.
 
2012-08-08 01:54:06 PM  
Say what you will about national socialism. At least it's an ethos.

/naytheist
 
2012-08-08 01:54:35 PM  
Seemed appropos:

Not One of Us
 
2012-08-08 01:55:13 PM  
Can you name a single American politician that is currently trying to take away people's religious rights?
www.barenakedislam.com
 
2012-08-08 01:55:46 PM  

canyoneer: Atheism is an absolutist view of the universe that cannot be logically-supported. There is no way to prove or disprove the existence of the supernatural, so to categorically deny that it exists or can exist is an irrational point of view. Atheists have that in common with the religious...an irrational point of view...a religious bias, so to speak.


You are describing gnostic atheism. Most atheists are agnostic atheists.

/someone post the chart, I'm too lazy
 
2012-08-08 01:56:35 PM  

DamnYankees: odinsposse: The question really is, do atheists as a whole want something? I mean sure, freedom to not be religious but that's already pretty well protected under the constitution. What atheist concerns aren't being addressed?

Exactly this. I don't know of any issues that only affect the atheist community. There's nothing to really rally around, and thats not a bad thing.


I don't think theists are too worried about maintaining a separation of church/state.
 
2012-08-08 01:57:41 PM  

canyoneer: Atheism is an absolutist view of the universe that cannot be logically-supported. There is no way to prove or disprove the existence of the supernatural, so to categorically deny that it exists or can exist is an irrational point of view. Atheists have that in common with the religious...an irrational point of view...a religious bias, so to speak.


8/10

needs moar misspellings....but you did equate Atheism with religion
 
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