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2012-08-08 12:23:27 PM
And this is a problem because....? oh, right. fox news.
 
2012-08-08 12:31:39 PM
"Emails from the General Services Administration show that the federal agency, acting on orders from the White House, told federal law enforcement authorities in Portland, Ore., not to enforce curfews on protesters camped out on federal property."

Well, whoop-tee-fnckin'-doo.
 
2012-08-08 12:34:20 PM
Truly history's greatest monster
 
2012-08-08 12:40:55 PM
He also ordered the ATF to tear the tags off of any mattress in any hotel they stay at. He's like Pol Pot with a charming smile.
 
2012-08-08 12:41:19 PM
"GSA controls the permits and has asked FPS [Federal Protective Services] not to enforce the curfew at park and the prohibition on overnight encampments...Our FPS Commander in Portland says they are standing down and following GSA's request to only intervene if there is a threat to public safety," she added in the email.

Truly history's greatest monster...

Wait, you guys already posted this. Get out of my head.
 
2012-08-08 12:41:31 PM
Not familiar with FPS -- are they actually "law enforcement" or just security guards?
 
2012-08-08 12:42:00 PM
How dare Obama let poor people have their voices heard?
 
2012-08-08 12:43:11 PM
Obama watched a Tivo of the 2005 World Series that was recorded without express written consent of the Commissioner.
 
2012-08-08 12:44:17 PM
That's because, believe it or not, the First Amendment does apply to non-Republicans. Shocking, I know.
 
2012-08-08 12:44:25 PM
Bagger mantra: Don't Tread on Me Tread on You
 
2012-08-08 12:45:03 PM
So he is accused of allowing hippies to walk. Let's call this scandal Filth and Furious.
 
2012-08-08 12:45:23 PM
Obama also ordered us to remove the foreskin of every male child
 
2012-08-08 12:45:36 PM
Obama administration told law enforcement authorities to go easy on Occupy Wall Street protesters, even though they were violating local laws

And this is what will get Authoritarians up in a tizzy, and it also shows why Authoritarians are idiots.

If they enforced the curfew at park and the prohibition on overnight encampments, it would have led to ugly arrests, and that would lead to more news coverage, and that would lead to more exposure and awareness of the Occupy movement. Protesters' goal is to raise awareness. Enforcing the law plays into their hands - it proverbially throws them in the brier patch.
 
2012-08-08 12:45:50 PM
A landowner is not required to enforce trespassing laws if they don't mind the trespassers.

//something something lords prayer
 
2012-08-08 12:46:29 PM
A christian president would have gone all Tiananmen Square on their asses.
 
2012-08-08 12:46:53 PM
... right up until the feds sat back and allowed the locals to beat the shiat out of protestors and journalists to shut down the protests. You can criticize a lot in the police reaction to the Occupy movement, but being overly lenient wasn't one of the problems.
 
2012-08-08 12:46:58 PM
Did almost everyone forget the almost simultaneous, concerted effort to disband the Occupy protests in several cities?
 
2012-08-08 12:47:01 PM
Can someone tell me how this is Obama's ad?


It didn't say it was approved by him, it didn't mention him by name, nor did it say anything about being an Obama Pac.

Sounds to me as if it was a PAC paid for ad by people who don't want Romney to win, nothing more.
 
2012-08-08 12:47:06 PM
Occupy Portland saw some of the more violent protests of the national movement. A week before the email exchange, 25 demonstrators were arrested after they refused to leave Jamison Square in the Pearl District after the park was closed at midnight.

In other news, breaking curfew has been elevated to a violent federal felony which warrants a response by the SWAT team.
 
2012-08-08 12:47:43 PM
 
2012-08-08 12:48:20 PM
OUTRAGE: Obama allows powerless protesters to break curfew laws

*crickets*: Obama refuses to prosecute the bankers who brought to worldwide economy to its knees
Thank you, Fox News, for keeping us infromed.
 
2012-08-08 12:48:25 PM
Where is the "this is an outrage" guy?
 
2012-08-08 12:48:40 PM
and we have communicated with the WH [White House], which has afforded us the discretion to fashion our approach to Occupy issues

Yea, Obama really brought the hammer down on law enforcement.
 
2012-08-08 12:49:36 PM
The Obama administration told law enforcement authorities to go easy on Occupy Wall Street protesters, even though they were violating local laws, according to documents obtained by watchdog group Judicial Watch.

Emails from the General Services Administration show that the federal agency, acting on orders from the White House, told federal law enforcement authorities in Portland, Ore., not to enforce curfews on protesters camped out on federal property.


I was unaware that a local law could restrict access to federal property.
 
2012-08-08 12:51:34 PM
GSA Public Buildings Service Commissioner Robert Peck replied: "Caitlin: yes, that is our position; it's been vetted with our administrator and Michael Robertson, our chief of staff, and we have communicated with the WH [White House], which has afforded us the discretion to fashion our approach to Occupy issues...The arrests last week were carried out despite our request that the protesters be allowed to remain and to camp overnight..."

So, the GSA makes sure the White House knows what's going on, the White House tells them to handle it at their discretion and that gets translated into "ordered" by Fox news.
 
2012-08-08 12:53:03 PM
Wendy's Chili: Meanwhile... Mitt Romney founded his business with death squad money.

Hey, you gotta remember - it was the 80's. Supporting central american narcoterrorists was all the rage. Romney was just retroactive polishing his Reaganeque street cred.
 
2012-08-08 12:54:44 PM
i.i.com.com

NO SITTING!!!!
 
2012-08-08 12:55:24 PM
Damn faux news* sure is ramping up the brownshirt rhetoric...

/yeah I went there
//justify this shiat headline and article authoritarians in libertarians wool...
 
2012-08-08 12:55:31 PM
Obama said it is okay to put ketchup on your hot dog.
Fox News: WHY DOES 0BAMDIMENT HATE MUSTARD?
 
2012-08-08 12:56:33 PM
Wendy's Chili: Meanwhile... Mitt Romney founded his business with death squad money.

Romney retroactively laundered the money. Now, it came from a venture capitalist firm based out of a PO Box in the Caymans.
 
2012-08-08 12:56:43 PM
Wendy's Chili: Meanwhile... Mitt Romney founded his business with death squad money.

This makes him even more like Reagan
 
2012-08-08 12:57:50 PM
timujin: GSA Public Buildings Service Commissioner Robert Peck replied: "Caitlin: yes, that is our position; it's been vetted with our administrator and Michael Robertson, our chief of staff, and we have communicated with the WH [White House], which has afforded us the discretion to fashion our approach to Occupy issues...The arrests last week were carried out despite our request that the protesters be allowed to remain and to camp overnight..."

So, the GSA makes sure the White House knows what's going on, the White House tells them to handle it at their discretion and that gets translated into "ordered" by Fox news.


So the real article headline should be

LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OVERSTEPS JURSDICTION: ARRESTS PROTESTORS ON FEDERAL LAND GIVEN PERMISSION TO CAMP
 
2012-08-08 12:59:26 PM
imontheinternet: Wendy's Chili: Meanwhile... Mitt Romney founded his business with death squad money.

Romney retroactively laundered the money. Now, it came from a venture capitalist firm based out of a PO Box in the Caymans.


he used Retoactively.com

RETROACTIVELY.COM
Where everything is already yours
 
2012-08-08 01:00:27 PM
Given that the federal government did jack shiat to the Tea Partiers, even as they brought guns outside a presidential speech, I'd say Fox needs to STFU and GBTW.
 
2012-08-08 01:00:34 PM
Obama once drove 36mph in a 35 zone.

This means that John Franco is automagically President and Obama has to do a timed lap of Spa in a G-Wiz while wearing a sombrero.
 
2012-08-08 01:03:35 PM
TofuTheAlmighty: OUTRAGE: Obama allows powerless protesters to break curfew laws

*crickets*: Obama refuses to prosecute the bankers who brought to worldwide economy to its knees

Thank you, Fox News, for keeping us infromed.




*sigh* this
 
2012-08-08 01:03:48 PM
Has anyone mentioned that Obama is truly history's greatest monster?
 
2012-08-08 01:04:06 PM
Is this another one of those things where I'm supposed to get outraged because a bunch of people who are in bed by 8:30 anyway and only gathered together at the behest of large media organizations and wealthy private donors had to pay for permits when they "protested" on public land?
 
2012-08-08 01:06:06 PM
OMG, Obama personally allowed these people to...

...violate curfew and 'no overnight camping regulations'.

Seriously? Didn't SOMEone at Fox News say 'Hey guys, this is getting stupid. Let's focus on some REAL issues for a change.'? Oh wait, it's Fox. Never mind...
 
2012-08-08 01:07:14 PM
Mikey1969: OMG, Obama personally allowed these people to...

...violate curfew and 'no overnight camping regulations'.

Seriously? Didn't SOMEone at Fox News say 'Hey guys, this is getting stupid. Let's focus on some REAL issues for a change.'? Oh wait, it's Fox. Never mind...


They did, but were immediately terminated from their position.
 
2012-08-08 01:07:26 PM
Asking for a relaxation in curfew laws? He's worse than Hitler.
 
2012-08-08 01:08:39 PM
qorkfiend: Mikey1969: OMG, Obama personally allowed these people to...

...violate curfew and 'no overnight camping regulations'.

Seriously? Didn't SOMEone at Fox News say 'Hey guys, this is getting stupid. Let's focus on some REAL issues for a change.'? Oh wait, it's Fox. Never mind...

They did, but were immediately terminated from their position.


Shep's been fired? He was the only one on Fox worth watching.
 
2012-08-08 01:11:56 PM
Under Obama, teens loitering and smoking cigarettes outside of the 7-11 are up by a whopping 45%.
 
2012-08-08 01:12:14 PM
Heaven forbid that the president support the freedom of speech. Whar free speech zones? Whar?
 
2012-08-08 01:13:38 PM
Arkanaut: Not familiar with FPS -- are they actually "law enforcement" or just security guards?

Go break a law on federal property and find out.

Or google. Your call.
 
2012-08-08 01:13:40 PM
TofuTheAlmighty: OUTRAGE: Obama allows powerless protesters to break curfew laws

*crickets*: Obama refuses to prosecute the bankers who brought to worldwide economy to its knees

Thank you, Fox News, for keeping us infromed.


Unless you have new information that what they did was actually illegal, and not just immoral, bad, corrupt, debauched, depraved, dishonest, indecent, iniquitous, nefarious, obscene, profligate, reprobate, shameless, sinful, unethical, unprincipled, unscrupulous, vicious, vile, villainous, wicked, wrong; there is not much that can be done to punish them now, because of the prohibition on bills of attainder.

Now, a LOT more can be done to mitigate and try and prevent something like this from happening again, but I have more chance of arriving home and finding my wife in bed with Mila Kunis and Emma Stone waiting for me to join them.
 
2012-08-08 01:14:47 PM
Fart_Machine: Asking for a relaxation in curfew laws? He's worse than Hitler.

if there had been a Real Republican American in office, he would have ordered seal team six to go in there and KICK ASS! yeah! and there would have been helicopters! yeah! and...and...tear gas! yeah! plus like, there would have been arrests! yeah! 'cause you can't let them people protest, no no you surely cant! 'murica is gotdamn perfect just the way it is and protesters are un-american! yeah!

mimifink.virtualave.net
 
2012-08-08 01:14:48 PM
Also, is it just THIS?

Emails from the General Services Administration show that the federal agency, acting on orders from the White House, told federal law enforcement authorities in Portland, Ore., not to enforce curfews on protesters camped out on federal property.

That's it? They allowed these people on FEDERAL property to stay longer? What a crock of shiat. And now Judicial Watch is calling this a "scandal:. We already knew that in some cases the cities were relaxing these regs on overnight camping. I hope they consider those instances to be as much of a "scandal".
 
2012-08-08 01:16:43 PM
Outrage du jour
 
2012-08-08 01:16:52 PM
I thought this was going to be over some serious infraction like spitting on the sidewalk or carrying an ice cream cone in your back pocket.
 
2012-08-08 01:16:58 PM
Fox News reported it, it must be true.
 
2012-08-08 01:21:14 PM
Piece of dung number 75934509 thrown against the Obama wall in attempt to make something stick.
 
2012-08-08 01:21:46 PM
Obama personally inserted feces into a young man's rectum such that he could desecrate the vehicle of a hero.
 
2012-08-08 01:22:53 PM
Rapmaster2000: Under Obama, teens loitering and smoking cigarettes outside of the 7-11 are up by a whopping 45%.

www.realdetroitweekly.com

"Johnny Come Latelies..."
 
2012-08-08 01:29:35 PM
Fox News = Facists = Neo Nazis? (I'm just asking questions)
 
2012-08-08 01:30:14 PM
sprawl15: Obama personally inserted feces into a young man's rectum such that he could desecrate the vehicle of a hero.

images.tribe.net
 
2012-08-08 01:40:18 PM
Complaints from Fox News Channel WRT no one enforcing Sherman-Clayton: 0
 
2012-08-08 01:40:23 PM
It was regarding protests on federal property...
 
2012-08-08 01:41:22 PM
We get it. He's black.
 
2012-08-08 01:41:40 PM
sprawl15: How dare Obama let poor people have their voices heard?

And let them destroy private property and sh*t on the streets.

What a disgusting administration.
 
2012-08-08 01:43:28 PM
TIKIMAN87: sprawl15: How dare Obama let poor people have their voices heard?

And let them destroy private property and sh*t on the streets.

What a disgusting administration.


Federal property is now private property?
 
2012-08-08 01:44:00 PM
TIKIMAN87: sprawl15: How dare Obama let poor people have their voices heard?

And let them destroy private property and sh*t on the streets.

What a disgusting administration.


Because extending curfews is exactly the same thing.
 
2012-08-08 01:44:13 PM
BunkoSquad: Obama watched a Tivo of the 2005 World Series that was recorded without express written consent of the Commissioner.

Oh yeah, well *I* heard that Obama once refused to tip a waitress for not filling his coffee six times...

Obama: "she's only filled my cup three times. When I order coffee I want it filled six times.

Biden: Six times? Well, what if she's too farking busy?

Obama: The words "too farking busy" shouldn't be in a waitress's vocabulary.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-08 01:46:24 PM
Occupy Portland saw some of the more violent protests of the national movement. A week before the email exchange, 25 demonstrators were arrested after they refused to leave Jamison Square in the Pearl District after the park was closed at midnight.


Okay, on a serious note here, Portland natives, do you recall much in the way of actual outright acts of violence because I certainly don't. I recall some scuffles between the Occupy folks and some people who were blatantly breaking the law and stealing stuff, but the local police was pretty civil towards the protesters. Anyone else have differing experiences?
 
2012-08-08 01:50:35 PM
If a tea party rally violated local laws and Obama encouraged cops to "enforce local laws," Foxnews would be screaming "FASCISM! OBAMA HATES THE FIRST AMENDMENT!"

God damn foxnews is retarded.
 
2012-08-08 01:50:42 PM
Really, Fox? This is what has you outraged today?

I am now convinced that everyone who gets their "infromations" from Fox News is absolutely worthless to our society. In fact, they're less than worthless. They are a god damned burden to civilization.
 
2012-08-08 01:56:02 PM
Not kicking protestors out of a park isn't proof that "the GSA and DHS can't be relied upon to protect federal workers or property."

However it is troubling that he made this call. Most people are going to have a different opinion on what should be protected protest, but I thik everyone agrees that it should be content neutral, I can't think of why he woudl have made this call aside from the content of the speech.
 
2012-08-08 01:56:42 PM
Vodka Zombie: Really, Fox? This is what has you outraged today?

You can't expect every day to bring something as genuinely outrageous as a gymnast wearing magenta.
 
2012-08-08 01:58:47 PM
They...they do realize that a lot of regular people only started sympathizing with OWS when news footage started coming out of people being arbitrarily pepper-sprayed, beaten, and shot in the head with rubber bullets and tear gas canisters, when the police were clearing OWS rallies?

That perhaps by ordering the relaxed curfew, they were trying to avoid having another Marine with a fractured skull on the evening news?
 
2012-08-08 02:00:51 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: TIKIMAN87: sprawl15: How dare Obama let poor people have their voices heard?

And let them destroy private property and sh*t on the streets.

What a disgusting administration.

Federal property is now private property?


The businesses they vandalized along the streets where they "marched" in cities.

Either way it's still damage to property. Such a horrible group of people.

At least the tea party cleaned up after they left their protests. Oh and also attained the proper permits.
 
2012-08-08 02:00:57 PM
rasicar: Occupy Portland saw some of the more violent protests of the national movement. A week before the email exchange, 25 demonstrators were arrested after they refused to leave Jamison Square in the Pearl District after the park was closed at midnight.


Okay, on a serious note here, Portland natives, do you recall much in the way of actual outright acts of violence because I certainly don't. I recall some scuffles between the Occupy folks and some people who were blatantly breaking the law and stealing stuff, but the local police was pretty civil towards the protesters. Anyone else have differing experiences?


The cops injured Justin Bridges, the sign language interpreter, partially on camera.
 
2012-08-08 02:12:24 PM
The President cannot order law enforcement to allow protestors to break laws.

Which is why that didn't happen, and what did happen instead is that an organization within the Executive Branch of the federal government sent an advisory memo recommending that the police think about public safety implications before taking any actions.
 
2012-08-08 02:22:46 PM
Feds: Well we could go in and clean out, provoking some big confrontation and the media swarming all over it. Or we could just let them chain themselves to things and spend the night. Eventually they'll get tired of being chained to a piece of concrete and leave.

Obama: I'm fine with the second option.

Feds: Great, we'll just grab the violent ones as needed then.

Fox News: This is an outrage!
 
2012-08-08 02:29:15 PM
poot_rootbeer: The President cannot order law enforcement to allow protestors to break laws.

Which is why that didn't happen, and what did happen instead is that an organization within the Executive Branch of the federal government sent an advisory memo recommending that the police think about public safety implications before taking any actions.


Jesus Christ. How deep does this rabbit hole go? Why isn't the lamestream MSM media reporting this? And what about Soros?
 
2012-08-08 02:44:11 PM
And Teabaggers were unmolested by federal police for the same reason.
 
2012-08-08 02:49:44 PM
PC LOAD LETTER: And Teabaggers were unmolested by federal police for the same reason.

When did teabaggers occupy anything?
 
2012-08-08 02:58:02 PM
liam76: When did teabaggers occupy anything?

Chick-Fil-A last week, for one.
 
2012-08-08 03:01:24 PM
meat0918: Obama also ordered us to remove the foreskin of every male child

Obama told me to covet my neighbor's manservant.
 
2012-08-08 03:09:05 PM
BunkoSquad: liam76: When did teabaggers occupy anything?

Chick-Fil-A last week, for one.


So going into a private business where your business was welcomed is the same as what the occupy moveemnt did?
 
2012-08-08 03:18:41 PM
Be proud DIMs - Be very proud
thebsreport.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-08 03:32:39 PM
Weaver95: And this is a problem because....? oh, right. fox news.

fark the justice is blind shiat. Only use police powers on those who don't support you, that is working amazingly in Venezuela.

What a truly sad and pathetic response weaver.
 
2012-08-08 03:38:55 PM
MyRandomName: Weaver95: And this is a problem because....? oh, right. fox news.

fark the justice is blind shiat. Only use police powers on those who don't support you, that is working amazingly in Venezuela.

What a truly sad and pathetic response weaver.


They weren't supporting Obama.

kptv.images.worldnow.com
 
2012-08-08 03:54:37 PM
Weaver95: And this is a problem because....? oh, right. fox news.

LOL stick your head a little deeper into the sand.
 
2012-08-08 03:55:07 PM
MyRandomName: Weaver95: And this is a problem because....? oh, right. fox news.

fark the justice is blind shiat. Only use police powers on those who don't support you, that is working amazingly in Venezuela.

What a truly sad and pathetic response weaver.


What makes you think the OWS people support Obama? They don't appear to agree with most of his policies.

You seem to fall into a logical trap frequently wherein you believe that because there are two factions you disagree with, they must be in collusion or agreement. Did you consider, perhaps, that the GSA thought it would be worse for both their officers and for the public to go in bashing the heads of a bunch of college-aged kids who were doing nothing more than occupying a public space? The answer isn't always, "Throw them in jail!" and the idea that it is has become a large part of the problem in this country.
 
2012-08-08 04:03:14 PM
timujin

MyRandomName: Weaver95: And this is a problem because....? oh, right. fox news.

fark the justice is blind shiat. Only use police powers on those who don't support you, that is working amazingly in Venezuela.

What a truly sad and pathetic response weaver.

What makes you think the OWS people support Obama? They don't appear to agree with most of his policies.

You seem to fall into a logical trap frequently wherein you believe that because there are two factions you disagree with, they must be in collusion or agreement. Did you consider, perhaps, that the GSA thought it would be worse for both their officers and for the public to go in bashing the heads of a bunch of college-aged kids who were doing nothing more than occupying a public space? The answer isn't always, "Throw them in jail!" and the idea that it is has become a large part of the problem in this country.



Maybe OWS didn't support Obama - but Obama sure the hell support them.
TopDemsSupportOWS
 
2012-08-08 04:05:46 PM
karnal: timujin

MyRandomName: Weaver95: And this is a problem because....? oh, right. fox news.

fark the justice is blind shiat. Only use police powers on those who don't support you, that is working amazingly in Venezuela.

What a truly sad and pathetic response weaver.

What makes you think the OWS people support Obama? They don't appear to agree with most of his policies.

You seem to fall into a logical trap frequently wherein you believe that because there are two factions you disagree with, they must be in collusion or agreement. Did you consider, perhaps, that the GSA thought it would be worse for both their officers and for the public to go in bashing the heads of a bunch of college-aged kids who were doing nothing more than occupying a public space? The answer isn't always, "Throw them in jail!" and the idea that it is has become a large part of the problem in this country.


Maybe OWS didn't support Obama - but Obama sure the hell support them.
TopDemsSupportOWS


images.politico.com

I don't know how to break it to you, but none of these people are Barack Obama.
 
2012-08-08 04:12:25 PM
No, subby. It's Fox News.

It isn't img1.fark.net it's farking bullshiat.

Stop submitting Fox News links. I should only have to tell you this one time.
 
2012-08-08 04:23:25 PM
whidbey

No, subby. It's Fox News.

It isn't it's farking bullshiat.

Stop submitting Fox News links. I should only have to tell you this one time.



Maybe when you stop posting horrible youtube videos.
 
2012-08-08 04:24:31 PM
impaler: Obama administration told law enforcement authorities to go easy on Occupy Wall Street protesters, even though they were violating local laws

And this is what will get Authoritarians up in a tizzy, and it also shows why Authoritarians are idiots.

If they enforced the curfew at park and the prohibition on overnight encampments, it would have led to ugly arrests, and that would lead to more news coverage, and that would lead to more exposure and awareness of the Occupy movement. Protesters' goal is to raise awareness. Enforcing the law plays into their hands - it proverbially throws them in the brier patch.


Not to mention, it's not the Feds' responsibility to enforce local laws.
 
2012-08-08 04:50:16 PM
Weaver95: Fart_Machine: Asking for a relaxation in curfew laws? He's worse than Hitler.

if there had been a Real Republican American in office, he would have ordered seal team six to go in there and KICK ASS! yeah! and there would have been helicopters! yeah! and...and...tear gas! yeah! plus like, there would have been arrests! yeah! 'cause you can't let them people protest, no no you surely cant! 'murica is gotdamn perfect just the way it is and protesters are un-american! yeah!

[mimifink.virtualave.net image 247x270]


My eagle just wept a single sparkling tear of pride at that gold-medal performance.
 
2012-08-08 04:51:04 PM
karnal: whidbey

No, subby. It's Fox News.

It isn't it's farking bullshiat.

Stop submitting Fox News links. I should only have to tell you this one time.


Maybe when you stop posting horrible youtube videos.


*shrugs*

I don't. Not my problem you don't like good music.
And was that a personal attack?
 
2012-08-08 05:00:18 PM
karnal: timujin

MyRandomName: Weaver95: And this is a problem because....? oh, right. fox news.

fark the justice is blind shiat. Only use police powers on those who don't support you, that is working amazingly in Venezuela.

What a truly sad and pathetic response weaver.

What makes you think the OWS people support Obama? They don't appear to agree with most of his policies.

You seem to fall into a logical trap frequently wherein you believe that because there are two factions you disagree with, they must be in collusion or agreement. Did you consider, perhaps, that the GSA thought it would be worse for both their officers and for the public to go in bashing the heads of a bunch of college-aged kids who were doing nothing more than occupying a public space? The answer isn't always, "Throw them in jail!" and the idea that it is has become a large part of the problem in this country.


Maybe OWS didn't support Obama - but Obama sure the hell support them.
TopDemsSupportOWS


As was mentioned above, none of those people are Obama. More to the point, though, is that your reply has nothing to do with my original question. You seem to also fall into the logical trap I wrote of, wherein you attempt to combine two or more people you don't agree with into one entity.
 
2012-08-08 08:00:21 PM
timujin: karnal: timujin

MyRandomName: Weaver95: And this is a problem because....? oh, right. fox news.

fark the justice is blind shiat. Only use police powers on those who don't support you, that is working amazingly in Venezuela.

What a truly sad and pathetic response weaver.

What makes you think the OWS people support Obama? They don't appear to agree with most of his policies.

You seem to fall into a logical trap frequently wherein you believe that because there are two factions you disagree with, they must be in collusion or agreement. Did you consider, perhaps, that the GSA thought it would be worse for both their officers and for the public to go in bashing the heads of a bunch of college-aged kids who were doing nothing more than occupying a public space? The answer isn't always, "Throw them in jail!" and the idea that it is has become a large part of the problem in this country.


Maybe OWS didn't support Obama - but Obama sure the hell support them.
TopDemsSupportOWS

As was mentioned above, none of those people are Obama. More to the point, though, is that your reply has nothing to do with my original question. You seem to also fall into the logical trap I wrote of, wherein you attempt to combine two or more people you don't agree with into one entity.


Is there a name for this logical fallacy? Sort of the reverse of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" only this is more like "My two enemies must also be friends"?

There should be, because it's everywhere these days.
 
2012-08-08 09:30:46 PM
Gyrfalcon: timujin: karnal: timujin

MyRandomName: Weaver95: And this is a problem because....? oh, right. fox news.

fark the justice is blind shiat. Only use police powers on those who don't support you, that is working amazingly in Venezuela.

What a truly sad and pathetic response weaver.

What makes you think the OWS people support Obama? They don't appear to agree with most of his policies.

You seem to fall into a logical trap frequently wherein you believe that because there are two factions you disagree with, they must be in collusion or agreement. Did you consider, perhaps, that the GSA thought it would be worse for both their officers and for the public to go in bashing the heads of a bunch of college-aged kids who were doing nothing more than occupying a public space? The answer isn't always, "Throw them in jail!" and the idea that it is has become a large part of the problem in this country.


Maybe OWS didn't support Obama - but Obama sure the hell support them.
TopDemsSupportOWS

As was mentioned above, none of those people are Obama. More to the point, though, is that your reply has nothing to do with my original question. You seem to also fall into the logical trap I wrote of, wherein you attempt to combine two or more people you don't agree with into one entity.

Is there a name for this logical fallacy? Sort of the reverse of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" only this is more like "My two enemies must also be friends"?

There should be, because it's everywhere these days.


I think it's "vast left-wing-plus-moderate-republicans conspiracy."
 
2012-08-08 09:45:56 PM
Gyrfalcon: Is there a name for this logical fallacy? Sort of the reverse of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" only this is more like "My two enemies must also be friends"? There should be, because it's everywhere these days.

I like to call it the "Us vs Them" fallacy, myself.
 
2012-08-08 10:05:46 PM
Fluorescent Testicle: Gyrfalcon: Is there a name for this logical fallacy? Sort of the reverse of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" only this is more like "My two enemies must also be friends"? There should be, because it's everywhere these days.

I like to call it the "Us vs Them" fallacy, myself.


That's close...but I'm looking for something that encompasses what timujin pointed out: That if group A disagrees with me and group B also disagrees with me, then group A and group B are actually in agreement with each other. For people who fall into this trap, there is no checking to see if A and B actually hate each other in addition to hating me.

And you see it on all sides of the political spectrum, so it's actually a thing.
 
2012-08-08 10:25:39 PM
I watch cops ignore law breaking every day. I hear plenty of stories about how they wont respond to calls because they're not worth their time or not a priority.

I'm pretty sure the President didn't call them.
 
2012-08-09 12:36:22 AM
Gyrfalcon: Fluorescent Testicle: Gyrfalcon: Is there a name for this logical fallacy? Sort of the reverse of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" only this is more like "My two enemies must also be friends"? There should be, because it's everywhere these days.

I like to call it the "Us vs Them" fallacy, myself.

That's close...but I'm looking for something that encompasses what timujin pointed out: That if group A disagrees with me and group B also disagrees with me, then group A and group B are actually in agreement with each other. For people who fall into this trap, there is no checking to see if A and B actually hate each other in addition to hating me.

And you see it on all sides of the political spectrum, so it's actually a thing.


Hey, if I came up with it, I get to name it dammit. Assumption of alliance? Jumping to collusion? Meh, never mind, I got nothing, run with it.
 
2012-08-09 01:13:24 AM
timujin: Gyrfalcon: Fluorescent Testicle: Gyrfalcon: Is there a name for this logical fallacy? Sort of the reverse of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" only this is more like "My two enemies must also be friends"? There should be, because it's everywhere these days.

I like to call it the "Us vs Them" fallacy, myself.

That's close...but I'm looking for something that encompasses what timujin pointed out: That if group A disagrees with me and group B also disagrees with me, then group A and group B are actually in agreement with each other. For people who fall into this trap, there is no checking to see if A and B actually hate each other in addition to hating me.

And you see it on all sides of the political spectrum, so it's actually a thing.

Hey, if I came up with it, I get to name it dammit. Assumption of alliance? Jumping to collusion? Meh, never mind, I got nothing, run with it.


Jumping to collusion...I like that.
 
2012-08-09 08:32:47 AM
whidbey

karnal: whidbey

No, subby. It's Fox News.

It isn't it's farking bullshiat.

Stop submitting Fox News links. I should only have to tell you this one time.


Maybe when you stop posting horrible youtube videos.

*shrugs*

I don't. Not my problem you don't like good music.
And was that a personal attack?



of course not, I don't know you that well.....yet.
 
2012-08-09 09:38:32 AM
What is it with curfew laws in the US? The last time my country had those we were in WWII, so on what grounds are those even needed in the home of the free/brave ect.?
 
2012-08-09 09:57:56 AM
lucksi

What is it with curfew laws in the US? The last time my country had those we were in WWII, so on what grounds are those even needed in the home of the free/brave ect.?


If you have ever been to Wichita, Kansas after dark, you would know why curfews are needed.


/lashings of the old ultraviolent
 
2012-08-09 12:24:34 PM
Summoner101: Did almost everyone forget the almost simultaneous, concerted effort to disband the Occupy protests in several cities?

THIS.

/Or, what I was going to post: "Um, so what happened last year, then?"
//Though in all fairness, it may well have been that Obama just decided to ignore it and local rich guys got the police involved--certainly our system would permit that. Still, Obama not telling the locals to knock it off isn't my favorite move.
 
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