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2012-08-08 03:41:23 PM  

birchman: Edsel: nyseattitude: MisterLoki: JerseyTim: "To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Gov. Romney's health care plan, they would have had health care," Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul.

They really aren't very good at this.

They must be Obama operatives

Andrea Saul must have previously worked for Romney when he was MA governor, and apparently has been in a coma since then and just awoke to give this statement.

I don't know, if you reverse her name you get Saul Andrea, which can be shortened to Saul A, which could also stand for Saul Alinsky. Curious don't you think? Don't make me get my chalkboard.


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These coincidences are adding up. I'm just askin questions here.
 
2012-08-08 03:41:26 PM  

cchris_39: If Bain was pulling out "millions" in management fees and are such greedy bastards, they would try to continue that, no close business. And no bank is going to loan you money to turn around and pay yourself a bons with.


Your logic is bulletproof.
 
2012-08-08 03:43:39 PM  
NateGrey


karnal: I am surprised that Liberal Fark even greenlighted this one....probably knew it would turn into a Romney Hate Fest.

Waaaahhhh people dont think like I do!



Hey.....aren't you the artist formerly known as Verb? or was it Twerp?
 
2012-08-08 03:44:23 PM  

consider this: Wow, what a dirtbag move by Obama that SuperPAC. Thanks Supreme Court


FTFY
 
2012-08-08 03:45:41 PM  

JerseyTim: "To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Gov. Romney's health care plan, they would have had health care," Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul.


I agree with Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul. Everyone should have access to the Romney health care plan.
 
2012-08-08 03:47:09 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: Stile4aly: Il Douchey: Bain didn't close the plant because they're meanies, the plant failed. In capitalism, you have to let the failures fail. Maybe if Joe Soptic was a better worker, he would still have the job. In any case, nobody owes him anything; it was a business, not a welfare program for his wife.

/C'mon Barry, after four long years, there has to be something positive you can campaign on

The plant failed because of what Bain did to it. They took out huge loans in the company's name in order to issue dividends to stockholders. The top stockholder? You guessed it: Bain Capital. They left the company with a massive deficit forcing it to declare bankruptcy and lay off its employees. Oh, and just for funsies, they underfunded the pensions leaving the government on the hook to cover the slack.

If Bain had not been involved in the equation, or if they had been a partner interested in improving the company rather than raiding it, then it would have continued for years even up to today.

Did you know that the plant was practically bankrupt when they recruited Bain to save them? Also, did you know that 13 other similar steel plants closed the same year due to international market conditions? If the plant was a viable operation Bain would never have closed or bankrupted them, but keep those blinders on.


Oh, gotcha. So since it was going to go under anyway, it was perfectly alright for Bain to buy them and give a little hope, then squeeze every last drop of blood from that turnip before casting it aside, like some corporate fiscal leech.

Thanks for clearing that up.
 
2012-08-08 03:47:44 PM  

what_now: vernonFL: Having the best medical insurance in the world won't save you from stage 4 cancer.

She went to the hospital with pneumonia, found out she had stage 4 cancer, and died a few days later.

Yes, but had she gone on the well woman checkups that the ACA just made free to all women, she might have caught the cancer before it was stage 4.


This times 101.
 
2012-08-08 03:50:04 PM  

quiotu: Oh, gotcha. So since it was going to go under anyway, it was perfectly alright for Bain to buy them and give a little hope, then squeeze every last drop of blood from that turnip before casting it aside, like some corporate fiscal leech.

Thanks for clearing that up


Yes, the company lost $641 million in the year before Bain bought it. Bain kept it open 8 years longer than it should have been.

/steel industry collapse
//look it up
 
2012-08-08 03:50:12 PM  
Under the policies of a President Romney, this poor widower would still be enjoying the company of his wife.

Retroactively.
 
2012-08-08 03:53:53 PM  
Can we please hold the election now! Just when I think Mitt Romney can not possible get any dam dumber, he goes and opens his mouth again.
 
2012-08-08 03:56:00 PM  

MisterRonbo: Under the policies of a President Romney, this poor widower would still be enjoying the company of his wife.

Retroactively.


Maybe they'll baptise her somewhere in Utah this weekend? Hope she gets a nice planet.
 
2012-08-08 03:56:26 PM  

Bontesla: The My Little Pony Killer: Wow. You're a dumbass and your blog sucks.

/can't even state WHY this evidence means Obama is wrong
//laughable, really

I'm pretty sure most intelligent, rational conservatives have left the party by now. Only derp is left.


This is bad for even "Derp" standards. This author's "reasoning" resembles the incoherent ramblings of a 3rd grader with a behavioral disorder.
 
2012-08-08 04:01:29 PM  

PanicMan: JerseyTim: "To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Gov. Romney's health care plan, they would have had health care," Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul.

I agree with Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul. Everyone should have access to the Romney health care plan.


I agree, or something like it implemented on a national level since not everyone can live in Massachusettes.

/ Greatest endorsement for the Affordable Care Act EVAR!
 
2012-08-08 04:01:52 PM  

cchris_39: quiotu: Oh, gotcha. So since it was going to go under anyway, it was perfectly alright for Bain to buy them and give a little hope, then squeeze every last drop of blood from that turnip before casting it aside, like some corporate fiscal leech.

Thanks for clearing that up

Yes, the company lost $641 million in the year before Bain bought it. Bain kept it open 8 years longer than it should have been, to siphon and borrow as much money as possible in their name before leaving the tab behind.

/steel industry collapse
//look it up


FTFY

Seriously, your facts only matter if Bain's goal was to save the company. Using it as a finger puppet for 8 years and leaving a tab for taxpayers to pay off isn't 'saving the company'.
 
2012-08-08 04:04:26 PM  

spongeboob: what_now: vernonFL: Having the best medical insurance in the world won't save you from stage 4 cancer.

She went to the hospital with pneumonia, found out she had stage 4 cancer, and died a few days later.

Yes, but had she gone on the well woman checkups that the ACA just made free to all women, she might have caught the cancer before it was stage 4.

This times 101.


So ... 404? Like his health care coverage?
 
2012-08-08 04:10:40 PM  

quiotu: cchris_39: quiotu: Oh, gotcha. So since it was going to go under anyway, it was perfectly alright for Bain to buy them and give a little hope, then squeeze every last drop of blood from that turnip before casting it aside, like some corporate fiscal leech.

Thanks for clearing that up

Yes, the company lost $641 million in the year before Bain bought it. Bain kept it open 8 years longer than it should have been, to siphon and borrow as much money as possible in their name before leaving the tab behind.

/steel industry collapse
//look it up

FTFY

Seriously, your facts only matter if Bain's goal was to save the company. Using it as a finger puppet for 8 years and leaving a tab for taxpayers to pay off isn't 'saving the company'.


It sounds like they found a loophole/technicality in the system and exploited it for all it was worth. It is almost like in a video game where you find a trick/glitch that allows you to gain a higher score.
 
2012-08-08 04:19:44 PM  
Dear Joe:

Sorry I killed your wife. But I've since posthumously baptized her so she can go to Mormon heaven. So, we cool now?

Love,

Mitt.
 
2012-08-08 04:25:17 PM  
It's no ones fault when you do not go to the doctor. NO ONE. I repeat again. IGNORANCE of social services available to you is NO EXCUSE.
Besides she actually had health insurance. So it was really just laziness on her part.
 
2012-08-08 04:28:15 PM  

cchris_39: quiotu: Oh, gotcha. So since it was going to go under anyway, it was perfectly alright for Bain to buy them and give a little hope, then squeeze every last drop of blood from that turnip before casting it aside, like some corporate fiscal leech.

Thanks for clearing that up

Yes, the company lost $641 million in the year before Bain bought it. Bain kept it open 8 years longer than it should have been.

/steel industry collapse
//look it up


That's what happens when you finance crushing amounts of money. It allows you to prolong your life ever so slightly.

Vulture capitalism. Look it up.
 
2012-08-08 04:28:25 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: It's no ones fault when you do not go to the doctor. NO ONE. I repeat again. IGNORANCE of social services available to you is NO EXCUSE.
Besides she actually had health insurance. So it was really just laziness on her part.


Says the tea party supporter currently living off the government.
 
2012-08-08 04:29:29 PM  

lennavan: Cup_O_Jo: It's no ones fault when you do not go to the doctor. NO ONE. I repeat again. IGNORANCE of social services available to you is NO EXCUSE.
Besides she actually had health insurance. So it was really just laziness on her part.

Says the tea party supporter currently living off the government.


Fark you, she's got hers. Well, yours and mine, but she's got it. Whatever 'it' is.
 
2012-08-08 04:30:24 PM  

lennavan: Cup_O_Jo: It's no ones fault when you do not go to the doctor. NO ONE. I repeat again. IGNORANCE of social services available to you is NO EXCUSE.
Besides she actually had health insurance. So it was really just laziness on her part.

Says the tea party supporter currently living off the government.


No no, you don't understand. Her situation is different.
 
2012-08-08 04:32:23 PM  
I imagine the Obama campaign skips merrily into work every day, whistling happy tunes.

By now they probably keep champagne on tap, and toast each other every goddamned day.

The only thing that keeps me from doing a jig myself is the unyielding and desperate stubbornness of republicans who continue to loyally cling to their candidate.

Hope Stewart covers this tonight.
 
2012-08-08 04:34:04 PM  

Cup_O_Jo: It's no ones fault when you do not go to the doctor. NO ONE. I repeat again. IGNORANCE of social services available to you is NO EXCUSE.
Besides she actually had health insurance. So it was really just laziness on her part.


That doesn't make any sense. If I don't know it is there, how can I take advantage of it?
 
2012-08-08 04:35:56 PM  

teeny: I imagine the Obama campaign skips merrily into work every day, whistling happy tunes.

By now they probably keep champagne on tap, and toast each other every goddamned day.

The only thing that keeps me from doing a jig myself is the unyielding and desperate stubbornness of republicans who continue to loyally cling to their candidate.

Hope Stewart covers this tonight.


I bet they do a lot of facepalming and place bets as to how obvious they can make a trap before Romney notices.
 
2012-08-08 04:41:51 PM  

lennavan: Cup_O_Jo: It's no ones fault when you do not go to the doctor. NO ONE. I repeat again. IGNORANCE of social services available to you is NO EXCUSE.
Besides she actually had health insurance. So it was really just laziness on her part.

Says the tea party supporter currently living off the government.


Oh snap!
 
2012-08-08 04:43:07 PM  
So not having health insurance now means not being able to access a doctor's office? Sorry, not buying that one. If I didn't have the insurance, I'd still get checked out yearly. Nobody to blame here except the people doing the whining.
 
2012-08-08 04:52:01 PM  

shotglasss: So not having health insurance now means not being able to access a doctor's office? Sorry, not buying that one. If I didn't have the insurance, I'd still get checked out yearly. Nobody to blame here except the people doing the whining.


That's precisely what it means to not have insurance. You only have access to ER care. I don't know about the requirements in other states, but in CA you can't access the health care support services if your assets are over 3-4k. So if you have a decent car or a 401k, (even if there's only $4500 worth) you're on your own to pay for the doctor. You might be able to pay for an annual office visit on a janitor's salary, but don't count on being able to pay out-of-pocket for any actual tests.
 
2012-08-08 04:52:50 PM  

spongeboob: what_now: vernonFL: Having the best medical insurance in the world won't save you from stage 4 cancer.

She went to the hospital with pneumonia, found out she had stage 4 cancer, and died a few days later.

Yes, but had she gone on the well woman checkups that the ACA just made free to all women, she might have caught the cancer before it was stage 4.

This times 101.


No. If she went for pneumonia, it was probably something they found on chest xray which wouldn't be done in a well woman visit. This is a bullshiat story because 50% of patients present with mets by the time of diagnosis anyways, plus I bet she was a smoker too. 5 year survival for lung cancer is 14%.

This is such a bullshiat story, and sheep like you fell for it hook line and sinker.
 
2012-08-08 05:00:11 PM  
It is truly astounding the ignorance of the left in economic matters. Bain kept the steel plant open nearly. Decade longer than most of the steel plants who were failing at the same time. There was a collapse of the entire industry, this is well documented. Bain bought two companies and both stayed open longer and more successfully than the other steel plants. People kept their jobs longer than 95% of other workers in the industry, thanks to bain.

Business and industry fail sometimes, this is a fact of life. Please learn the minimum of economic cycles so you don't look so farking retarded.
 
2012-08-08 05:02:47 PM  

wheelofpain: This is such a bullshiat story, and sheep like you fell for it hook line and sinker.


Which seems to have sent the GOP into a nervous breakdown.
 
2012-08-08 05:10:08 PM  

wheelofpain: spongeboob: what_now: vernonFL: Having the best medical insurance in the world won't save you from stage 4 cancer.

She went to the hospital with pneumonia, found out she had stage 4 cancer, and died a few days later.

Yes, but had she gone on the well woman checkups that the ACA just made free to all women, she might have caught the cancer before it was stage 4.

This times 101.

No. If she went for pneumonia, it was probably something they found on chest xray which wouldn't be done in a well woman visit. This is a bullshiat story because 50% of patients present with mets by the time of diagnosis anyways, plus I bet she was a smoker too. 5 year survival for lung cancer is 14%.

This is such a bullshiat story, and sheep like you fell for it hook line and sinker.


It isn't BS. The Romney campaign has admitted that it happened and that the woman would have been better off under an expansive government health care program like Obamacare.
 
2012-08-08 05:10:11 PM  
I'm sure watching the video will make me angry for many reasons, but calling something an "outrageous claim" right in the ticker is not objective journalism. It doesn't matter what the subject is. It's a subjective word. You just don't do it.
 
2012-08-08 05:11:51 PM  
I think it's pretty cut and dried. Romney killed this guy's wife. I'm not sure why he killed her ... but he did.
 
2012-08-08 05:32:07 PM  

RexTalionis: Il Douchey: Bain didn't close the plant because they're meanies, the plant failed.

The plant failed because Bain did the following:

1) Take over GST Steel
2) Charge GST Steel hundreds of million dollars in "management fees."
3) Take out massive loans in GST Steel's name, use the loans and the money that should've been paid to the pension system at GST Steel (GST Steel under Bain underfunded the pension system by about 44 million dollars) to pay Bain Capital hundreds of million dollars in fees.
4) Once GST Steel's debt load is so large, close the plant, liquidate the assets and declare bankruptcy in GST Steel, leaving creditors with hundreds of million dollars of debt which will never be paid back.

Tada.


media.cnbc.com

Problem?
 
2012-08-08 06:00:25 PM  
If it's such a great business, why hasn't somebody bought the mill and opened it back up?
 
2012-08-08 06:06:22 PM  

cchris_39: If it's such a great business, why hasn't somebody bought the mill and opened it back up?


Because Mitt Romney will kill you if you try.
 
2012-08-08 06:14:48 PM  

cchris_39: If it's such a great business, why hasn't somebody bought the mill and opened it back up?


They did. It was reopened under new ownership in 2003
 
2012-08-08 06:16:46 PM  

RexTalionis: cchris_39: If it's such a great business, why hasn't somebody bought the mill and opened it back up?

They did. It was reopened under new ownership in 2003


Lawyered.
 
2012-08-08 06:20:35 PM  

StewPie: About time for a good cartoonist to show Mitt driving the GOP 2012 Wagon at about 120 MPH with that cute little cuddly elephant mascot strapped to the top!


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2012-08-08 07:06:29 PM  

teeny: shotglasss: So not having health insurance now means not being able to access a doctor's office? Sorry, not buying that one. If I didn't have the insurance, I'd still get checked out yearly. Nobody to blame here except the people doing the whining.

That's precisely what it means to not have insurance. You only have access to ER care. I don't know about the requirements in other states, but in CA you can't access the health care support services if your assets are over 3-4k. So if you have a decent car or a 401k, (even if there's only $4500 worth) you're on your own to pay for the doctor. You might be able to pay for an annual office visit on a janitor's salary, but don't count on being able to pay out-of-pocket for any actual tests.


Why would you need insurance to get checked out yearly? Seriously, if everyone gets an annual checkup, and the checkup costs $200, what good is insurance going to do? Do you think everyone is going to pay their insurance company $50 extra a year to cover checkups, and then the insurance company is going to pay everyone's doctor the $200 per checkup?
 
2012-08-08 07:21:29 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Dexterman: From the CNN video: She had her own insurance, (even 2 years after her husband lost his job when Bain closed the plant, 2 years after Romney left the company)... then lost her insurance when she lost her jorb. Curious... how's that Romney's fault that she died?

/just sayin...

As long as that bolded part gets through and is reinforced by Romney and his surrogates it's still a win for Obama.

And Romney claiming "But all the bad stuff happened after I left!" just sounds whiny and disingenuous.

So as long as the lies resonate, it's okay to lie? Is that what you're saying?


I'm saying the general public associating Bain with layoffs is good for Obama. In the controversy over this ad that association is reinforced by BOTH sides.
 
2012-08-08 07:37:10 PM  

Cataholic: Why would you need insurance to get checked out yearly? Seriously, if everyone gets an annual checkup, and the checkup costs $200, what good is insurance going to do? Do you think everyone is going to pay their insurance company $50 extra a year to cover checkups, and then the insurance company is going to pay everyone's doctor the $200 per checkup?


*blink*

I'm not sure what your point is. As far as I know, insurance companies don't typically charge extra for annual check-ups. Maybe a co-pay.

And you realize that "getting checked out" frequently involves more than just walking into the doctor's office, right? Unless you're perfectly a-ok with zero problems or complaints, then the doctor will need to run a lab test or two, maybe prescribe something. What if you need an x-ray, MRI or ultrasound? The $200 cost of the office visit doesn't cover those things.
 
2012-08-08 07:47:36 PM  

Mikey1969: MisterLoki: JerseyTim: "To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Gov. Romney's health care plan, they would have had health care," Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul.

They really aren't very good at this.

You may have just uttered the understatement of the decade there... They are actually embracing the 'Both Sides of the Issue' cnadidate now. 'Universal Health Care is bad, mmmmmkay?' 'Universal healthcare in Massachusetts is a Gift from God, mmmmkay?'.


Too late!
 
2012-08-08 07:50:09 PM  
Why is this on a sports radio website again?
 
2012-08-08 08:42:17 PM  

teeny: Cataholic: Why would you need insurance to get checked out yearly? Seriously, if everyone gets an annual checkup, and the checkup costs $200, what good is insurance going to do? Do you think everyone is going to pay their insurance company $50 extra a year to cover checkups, and then the insurance company is going to pay everyone's doctor the $200 per checkup?

*blink*

I'm not sure what your point is. As far as I know, insurance companies don't typically charge extra for annual check-ups. Maybe a co-pay.

And you realize that "getting checked out" frequently involves more than just walking into the doctor's office, right? Unless you're perfectly a-ok with zero problems or complaints, then the doctor will need to run a lab test or two, maybe prescribe something. What if you need an x-ray, MRI or ultrasound? The $200 cost of the office visit doesn't cover those things.


I don't think you understand how insurance works. The $200 figure is just an assumption for illustrative purposes...use $1,000 if it makes you feel better. The fact remains, if everyone is having one annually, then the insurance company has to get the money to pay for them from somewhere. The only reason that your premiums are lower than the cost of cancer treatments is that relatively few people have them every year.
 
2012-08-08 09:14:23 PM  

Cataholic: I don't think you understand how insurance works. The $200 figure is just an assumption for illustrative purposes...use $1,000 if it makes you feel better. The fact remains, if everyone is having one annually, then the insurance company has to get the money to pay for them from somewhere. The only reason that your premiums are lower than the cost of cancer treatments is that relatively few people have them every year.


I'm pretty sure I know how insurance works. I'm not sure your point has anything to do with mine. I was responding to someone who assumed that even poor people should be able to manage getting checked out annually, despite not having insurance. My point was that even if the hypothetical poor person managed to scrape together enough for the office visit, it wouldn't help them. If the doctor gave them a clean bill of health, then they just paid $X to confirm what they probably already knew. If they had any complaints about fatigue, strange lumps, painful urination, headaches, etc...tests would need to be run as well as some sort of treatment prescribed. Therefore, not having insurance means no access to the doctor.

If an insurance company charges $150 per month for an individual plan, and the cost of an annual check-up is $200, they don't have to magically come up with extra money to cover it, no matter how many people use it.
 
2012-08-08 09:18:54 PM  

odinsposse: wheelofpain: spongeboob: what_now: vernonFL: Having the best medical insurance in the world won't save you from stage 4 cancer.

She went to the hospital with pneumonia, found out she had stage 4 cancer, and died a few days later.

Yes, but had she gone on the well woman checkups that the ACA just made free to all women, she might have caught the cancer before it was stage 4.

This times 101.

No. If she went for pneumonia, it was probably something they found on chest xray which wouldn't be done in a well woman visit. This is a bullshiat story because 50% of patients present with mets by the time of diagnosis anyways, plus I bet she was a smoker too. 5 year survival for lung cancer is 14%.

This is such a bullshiat story, and sheep like you fell for it hook line and sinker.

It isn't BS. The Romney campaign has admitted that it happened and that the woman would have been better off under an expansive government health care program like Obamacare.


No, the Romney campaign is incompetent and full of dumbasses. The woman would not have been better off even if she had been seen earlier, she was toast.
 
2012-08-08 10:33:58 PM  

cchris_39: RexTalionis: Il Douchey: Bain didn't close the plant because they're meanies, the plant failed.

The plant failed because Bain did the following:

1) Take over GST Steel
2) Charge GST Steel hundreds of million dollars in "management fees."
3) Take out massive loans in GST Steel's name, use the loans and the money that should've been paid to the pension system at GST Steel (GST Steel under Bain underfunded the pension system by about 44 million dollars) to pay Bain Capital hundreds of million dollars in fees.
4) Once GST Steel's debt load is so large, close the plant, liquidate the assets and declare bankruptcy in GST Steel, leaving creditors with hundreds of million dollars of debt which will never be paid back.

Tada.

Wrong. Link

Some of you people have no business sense at all. If Bain was pulling out "millions" in management fees and are such greedy bastards, they would try to continue that, no close business. And no bank is going to loan you money to turn around and pay yourself a bons with.


Shhh. The Fark Dependents are masturbating again.
 
2012-08-08 10:38:25 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Cup_O_Jo: It's no ones fault when you do not go to the doctor. NO ONE. I repeat again. IGNORANCE of social services available to you is NO EXCUSE.
Besides she actually had health insurance. So it was really just laziness on her part.

That doesn't make any sense. If I don't know it is there, how can I take advantage of it?


Wow. Does the government also need to wipe your ass when you poop? Is *anyone* accountable for their fate in your world view?
 
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