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2012-08-08 12:49:50 PM
3 votes:
Are those boxes from 1993?
2012-08-08 02:26:59 PM
2 votes:

Bschott007: *IF* Apple was smart, they would immediately discuss a way to capitalize on Microsoft's possible flop of Windows 8. Perhaps the best way they could do this would be to create a version of Mac OS X for PC's which they could have ready for release shortly (within 6 months to a year) after Windows 8 was released. I know, they would have to hurdle the various hardware issues and such but perhaps a specific "This limited hardware is supported for now, and in the next release we will have better hardware support" (this is off the top of my head so I haven't fully thought all this through).


Apple doesn't want to do that. Remember, they aren't a software company. They are a hardware and media company. Their software (Mac OS X, iOS, the App Stores, Final Cut X, iWork/iLife, iTunes, iCloud, etc) are simply there to help them sell (and have complete control over) said hardware and media. Their goal isn't to have the biggest marketshare (although that's a bonus if it does happen), but to have the most profitable one. They can sell Mountain Lion for $20 because it's designed to run on a very specific set of known hardware, and that any money the lose on its development is more-than-recouped via selling more laptops, iMacs, and even iOS devices, because of the integration features.
2012-08-08 01:32:41 PM
2 votes:
Its a farking box ...who gives a flying shiat...

It could have a golden turd on it and it would not matter.

This is similar to complaining about the art on a Coke can ...
2012-08-08 01:29:06 PM
2 votes:
Looks fine to me.

/Art director
//Mac user
2012-08-08 01:24:34 PM
2 votes:

jayhawk88: Just a little concession that maybe 20 years of user interface isn't worth throwing into the trash because iPad.



So my sister worked for MS for a few years. Shortly before she quit, she joined the Windows 8 team (as a user computer interactions expert/researcher. I'm not sure I should be saying this, but she did not tell me not to.

I asked her what the F they were thinking and this is what she said...

Here is an anecdote that has become legend in my house. At my ONE meeting with my new Manager at Windows 8, - keep in mind this guy oversaw 28 researchers! 28! - I presented him with a detailed research plan and asked for the resources to fulfill it. He responded with "Well Jennifer, you see here at Windows UX Research, we don't really work with data. We prefer to work with 'hunches'".


She quit weeks later. This brought me to the realization, if it really looks like they don't know what the fark they are doing, they almost certainly don't.

Microsoft is an extremely dysfunctional work environment full of only two motivations. Greed and Ego.

/that's my CSB for the month
2012-08-08 10:52:36 PM
1 votes:
And what's so wrong about Windows 7 that requires this new OS to be released?
2012-08-08 09:58:16 PM
1 votes:

feanorn: A problem with Win8 that I've had with Windows for a while: hitting one, easy to bump key (alt, windows) shouldn't do anything. Function keys? Sure. Keys at the top of the keyboard? OK. But a key down by the heels of my hands, down by my thumbs? No. This is poor, poor UI, and has been for a long time, indeed.


I've avoided that problem since I'm still using the same keyboard that came with my 386 (no Windows keys).
2012-08-08 05:44:56 PM
1 votes:

Bschott007: My apology. I mistakenly thought, for some reason, Rio came out in 85 or 87. My bad. Honestly, I haven't noticed the 80's styles making a comeback, but then again just a few years ago the 70's styles tried to make a come back and that fade just as quickly died as it started.


Yeah, I was a bit incredulous about the latest styles - but I noticed my middle school nephew and nieces wearing skinny jeans, zebra print pants, neon and pretty much the same stuff as in LMFAO videos. All we need now is a return of hypercolor t-shirts.
2012-08-08 03:42:48 PM
1 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org

Am I the only one?
2012-08-08 03:20:25 PM
1 votes:
Who gives a fark about the box?

Do people keep them as some type of collector's item or something?
2012-08-08 03:03:21 PM
1 votes:

MrSteve007: MightyPez: Mikey1969: MrSteve007: Two years ago:
"I hate Windows 7! I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

Nope. Not even close. I did the public beta of 7 and told everyone how awesome it was, and how there wer no problems. We've been deploying it at work the whole time also. My network admin removed 89 within the first day of testing it though.

Yeah, I don't remember very many people poo-pooing Windows 7. It was actually pretty beloved when it hit the testing stages.

But I guess it's harder to paint things in a light that you want without making shiat up, right MrSteve007?

Let's take a trip in the Fark wayback machine, shall we?

[Fail] 66% of Windows users still use XP. Tag is for Microsoft: - 04 Oct 2010:

sab6300 - "Show me a list of things I can do in Win 7 that I can't do in XP. And I will show you a list of things I could give 2 shiats about."

YixilTesiphon - "XP works just fine for what I need (Excel, OneNote, and Chrome, basically) on my craptacular work computer. Why would I drop money on an upgrade?"

namatad: "unless you are having problems, why would you replace working with new, other than just to have new? I only went with win7x64 with my new machine inorder to get bazillions of tons of memory.
and all I have is problems because some software I NEED wont install on x64 ...."

flaminio: "I have a lot of clients who use Windows XP and Office 2003. They don't want to learn any fancy new OS or fancy new productivity app. XP/2003 does everything they would ever want to do."

Fark Me To Tears: "I have XP Pro on two home machines. XP works just fine on both. I haven't found a reason to spend the money to upgrade."

True, there were plenty of people who were saying that Win 7 was great - but in just a single Fark thread about Win7/XP, nearly a year after the OS launch, plenty of people who said: "I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

So yeah, EBOD.


Those people hadn't even tried it (the laughably incorrect comment about x64 is a prime example) yet.

I liked the beta, and had all my systems switched over to Win7 by launch.

In comparison, I've also tried Win8, and it's nasty. Remove Metro as the "Default" interface, and bring back the Orb (not going to call it the "start" button), and Win8 would be a good upgrade, but trying to subvert 25+ years of good, efficient UI design to turn desktops into tablets, just to establish a common "walled garden" for the massive mobile market and the desktop market is just plain stupid (I can't even call it merely "misguided" - the move is purely a money grab by Microsoft execs).

Removing visual cues and simple button clicks for basic operations only drops productivity on a desktop. Wasting screen real estate and reverting BACK to a tiles "full screen" interface also reduces productivity. Hiding 80% of the functionality because it is only used 10% of the time reduces productivity.

Sure, these moves make SENSE on a tablet, where we are still figuring out the best ways to make it do the tasks we put to it - but a tablet and a dfesktop are VERY DIFFERENT beasts. Throwing out 25 years of optimized user interface design for desktops to flail around with a mobile UI is shortsighted, if not completely idiotic.
2012-08-08 02:44:40 PM
1 votes:
What people whining about Win 8 every day are doing...

lh3.googleusercontent.com
2012-08-08 02:18:07 PM
1 votes:

Icetech3: I own a computer store and have been running win8 to learn it before i have to deal with it daily.. and the sad thing is that without that horrible ungodly bad metro interface the OS is VERY fast. and very nice.. but that UI just is so painful to deal with on a pc:( i could see it being nice on a tablet or phone though


I use something similar as an extension on my start page on Chrome. THERE it works. On a browser, this icon-based navigation is nice, but for my OS GUI, they can kiss my ass. I'll stick with 7, it's awesome, no need to change.
2012-08-08 02:07:34 PM
1 votes:
Two years ago:
"I hate Windows 7! I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

The same people today:
"I hate Windows 8! Windows 7 is great, it does everything I'll ever need."
2012-08-08 01:37:02 PM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Well, to be fair, design IS a lot about 'hunches' and 'intuition', and the design aspect IS important, but it's not the full story for something like an OS, there is a lot of technical knowledge as well.


I don't entirely disagree. The point is, proving the hunches should be a priority investment. Its all well and good to "feel" that something is better, but you should really prove it before adoption.
2012-08-08 01:13:06 PM
1 votes:
I'm getting some time to play with this now. Gods, I hate it.

Do you like using the Windows Key? No? Well tough shiat you're going to learn to love it, because it's now the easiest way to get between the Desktop and the "Start Menu". Oh, you can also do it by finding the hidden menu on the left side of the screen that only appears when you mouse over the 10x10 pixel image I guess.

Install Office? Here, let me helpfully put icons for Silverlight, Office Download Center, Picture Manager, and all that other crap you don't care about right on your Start Menu. You can unpin each of them individually if you like.

Here's an option to display Admin Tools on the Start Menu, aren't I helpful? Yes, I'm going to put every one of them on there and make you unpin the ones you don't want. Or you can just go pin only the ones you want. Once you figure out how to add the Control Panel app to the Start Menu.

Did I mention I put the IE icon right where the Start Menu button has been for the past 20 years on the Desktop? So you'll be opening IE accidentally for at least a month? Wasn't that thoughtful of me? You don't use IE enough, it's really great!

How about these awesome weather/stock/mail/picture widgets I have on the Start Menu by default? Aren't the great? Well I'm going to remove them all if you join me to a domain. No, I'm not going to give you any kind of hint or indication how you might get them back. What are you doing on a domain anyway? Sell out.

Would it have been so farking terrible to give us a choice Microsoft? Traditional Desktop or Metro? That's all you had to do, and I might be throwing this on my main at work to see if there's anything worth getting excited about. Just a little concession that maybe 20 years of user interface isn't worth throwing into the trash because iPad.
2012-08-08 01:08:51 PM
1 votes:
Now all we need is the Pointer Sisters to sing when it pops up:

3.bp.blogspot.com

1 2 3 4 5, 6 7 8 9 10... 11, 12

/doo, doo doo, doo doo doo doo, doo etc...
2012-08-08 12:56:27 PM
1 votes:
why is there a pro version of a tablet OS? Enterprise is never going to move to win8. Just like they never moved to vista.
2012-08-08 12:53:10 PM
1 votes:
Doesn't look bad really. I always thought the vista box looked like they were trying to sell a video game

...Why's it gotta be a black version?
 
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