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2012-08-08 12:25:02 PM
Looks like something finger-painted by a pre-schooler.

So, it's pretty much perfect for the product inside.
 
2012-08-08 12:49:50 PM
Are those boxes from 1993?
 
2012-08-08 12:53:10 PM
Doesn't look bad really. I always thought the vista box looked like they were trying to sell a video game

...Why's it gotta be a black version?
 
2012-08-08 12:56:27 PM
why is there a pro version of a tablet OS? Enterprise is never going to move to win8. Just like they never moved to vista.
 
2012-08-08 12:56:49 PM

thecpt: Doesn't look bad really. I always thought the vista box looked like they were trying to sell a video game

...Why's it gotta be a black version?


Because that's the pro version. White version is mostly for sandlot and rec leagues.
 
2012-08-08 12:57:25 PM
I don't know - I can't crap inside the OS. I can, however, crap in the box it came in.
 
2012-08-08 01:00:51 PM

Amper: I don't know - I can't crap inside the OS. I can, however, crap in the box it came in.


Is that just before you throw the disc back into it and return it to Microsoft for the Win7 downgrade package?

Sounds like a plan.
 
2012-08-08 01:01:36 PM
Can't wait to get a copy of Windows 3.8.
 
2012-08-08 01:02:44 PM

Amper: I don't know - I can't crap inside the OS. I can, however, crap in the box it came in.


I'm pretty sure Microsoft already did that for us.
 
2012-08-08 01:03:11 PM

Bijin: Are those boxes from 1993?


Ha! My thoughts exactly.
 
2012-08-08 01:04:59 PM
So now we're getting all warm and runny about the packaging? I'm a little more concerned about the substance than the style.
 
2012-08-08 01:08:51 PM
Now all we need is the Pointer Sisters to sing when it pops up:

3.bp.blogspot.com

1 2 3 4 5, 6 7 8 9 10... 11, 12

/doo, doo doo, doo doo doo doo, doo etc...
 
2012-08-08 01:11:43 PM

Perlin Noise: Now all we need is the Pointer Sisters to sing when it pops up.


The start button crap that is...

I was reading this related article and got a bit out of context
 
2012-08-08 01:12:18 PM
I've been running the W8 Consumer Preview for a while now. There isn't a whole lot to complain about except the search feature in the "Start" page, which doesn't find most of the things I want it to. Hopefully that'll be addressed in the finished product.
 
2012-08-08 01:13:06 PM
I'm getting some time to play with this now. Gods, I hate it.

Do you like using the Windows Key? No? Well tough shiat you're going to learn to love it, because it's now the easiest way to get between the Desktop and the "Start Menu". Oh, you can also do it by finding the hidden menu on the left side of the screen that only appears when you mouse over the 10x10 pixel image I guess.

Install Office? Here, let me helpfully put icons for Silverlight, Office Download Center, Picture Manager, and all that other crap you don't care about right on your Start Menu. You can unpin each of them individually if you like.

Here's an option to display Admin Tools on the Start Menu, aren't I helpful? Yes, I'm going to put every one of them on there and make you unpin the ones you don't want. Or you can just go pin only the ones you want. Once you figure out how to add the Control Panel app to the Start Menu.

Did I mention I put the IE icon right where the Start Menu button has been for the past 20 years on the Desktop? So you'll be opening IE accidentally for at least a month? Wasn't that thoughtful of me? You don't use IE enough, it's really great!

How about these awesome weather/stock/mail/picture widgets I have on the Start Menu by default? Aren't the great? Well I'm going to remove them all if you join me to a domain. No, I'm not going to give you any kind of hint or indication how you might get them back. What are you doing on a domain anyway? Sell out.

Would it have been so farking terrible to give us a choice Microsoft? Traditional Desktop or Metro? That's all you had to do, and I might be throwing this on my main at work to see if there's anything worth getting excited about. Just a little concession that maybe 20 years of user interface isn't worth throwing into the trash because iPad.
 
2012-08-08 01:14:50 PM
Hello, 1987 called any they would like their packaging back.

Christ, Lord, somebody please get Balmer out of there! He is destroying the company.
 
2012-08-08 01:17:42 PM
it looks like a window pane being shoved up Homer Simpson's ass.
 
2012-08-08 01:24:08 PM
Christ, this looks very similar to Microsoft Office for Mac. Not only does Microsoft have to copy the look of Windows 8 from AOL, the damned Box art can't be original either?

Microsoft, have you ever heard of what became of your old partner, IBM? Yeah. That's your future unless you pull your CEO's head out of his ass and quick.
 
2012-08-08 01:24:34 PM

jayhawk88: Just a little concession that maybe 20 years of user interface isn't worth throwing into the trash because iPad.



So my sister worked for MS for a few years. Shortly before she quit, she joined the Windows 8 team (as a user computer interactions expert/researcher. I'm not sure I should be saying this, but she did not tell me not to.

I asked her what the F they were thinking and this is what she said...

Here is an anecdote that has become legend in my house. At my ONE meeting with my new Manager at Windows 8, - keep in mind this guy oversaw 28 researchers! 28! - I presented him with a detailed research plan and asked for the resources to fulfill it. He responded with "Well Jennifer, you see here at Windows UX Research, we don't really work with data. We prefer to work with 'hunches'".


She quit weeks later. This brought me to the realization, if it really looks like they don't know what the fark they are doing, they almost certainly don't.

Microsoft is an extremely dysfunctional work environment full of only two motivations. Greed and Ego.

/that's my CSB for the month
 
2012-08-08 01:26:39 PM
A: Those boxes are fugly. They haven't been in style in a decade.

B: WTF Microsoft? WTF Apple? I DO NOT want my desktop OS to look and act like a farking tablet. I want it to look and act like a Desktop PC, and I want my tablet to look and act like a farking tablet, why is that so hard to understand? What's with this "merging" shiat, anyway? a touchscreen layout sucks when you're using a mouse to navigates, but a tiny little Start menu sucks when you're using your fingers. They both have their strengths and weaknesses, quit trying to force the weak one onto the wrong platform, get off your lazy asses and design a different user experience for the tablet than you do for the PC.
 
2012-08-08 01:28:07 PM
I loathe the "Start screen" and Metro apps suck arse, but once you slap on a start button replacement, put the quick launch bar back on, it's pretty freaking solid. Boot fast as hell too.

//Got Technet
//Will download next week.
 
2012-08-08 01:29:06 PM
Looks fine to me.

/Art director
//Mac user
 
2012-08-08 01:29:42 PM
Actually, as I look at my bookshelf, I wish to revise my statement about the box art looking like Office for Mac. It looks more like the old box art for Adobe products (Photoshop 3.0 specifically). So 90's Microsoft.
 
2012-08-08 01:30:05 PM

Feepit: I've been running the W8 Consumer Preview for a while now. There isn't a whole lot to complain about except the search feature in the "Start" page, which doesn't find most of the things I want it to. Hopefully that'll be addressed in the finished product.


We've got it on a test box here and had the same results, Meh, not a disaster, but no compelling reason to change from 7 either.
 
2012-08-08 01:30:19 PM
Someone link the video of the Microsoft iPod box.
 
2012-08-08 01:30:42 PM

Perlin Noise: jayhawk88: Just a little concession that maybe 20 years of user interface isn't worth throwing into the trash because iPad.


So my sister worked for MS for a few years. Shortly before she quit, she joined the Windows 8 team (as a user computer interactions expert/researcher. I'm not sure I should be saying this, but she did not tell me not to.

I asked her what the F they were thinking and this is what she said...

Here is an anecdote that has become legend in my house. At my ONE meeting with my new Manager at Windows 8, - keep in mind this guy oversaw 28 researchers! 28! - I presented him with a detailed research plan and asked for the resources to fulfill it. He responded with "Well Jennifer, you see here at Windows UX Research, we don't really work with data. We prefer to work with 'hunches'".


She quit weeks later. This brought me to the realization, if it really looks like they don't know what the fark they are doing, they almost certainly don't.

Microsoft is an extremely dysfunctional work environment full of only two motivations. Greed and Ego.

/that's my CSB for the month


Well, to be fair, design IS a lot about 'hunches' and 'intuition', and the design aspect IS important, but it's not the full story for something like an OS, there is a lot of technical knowledge as well.
 
2012-08-08 01:32:41 PM
Its a farking box ...who gives a flying shiat...

It could have a golden turd on it and it would not matter.

This is similar to complaining about the art on a Coke can ...
 
2012-08-08 01:35:55 PM
From what I remember of the //build keynote last year, if your computer has more than a certain number of horizontal pixels on the main display it'll default to classic view. And you can always set it to boot in classic view, unless they're changing it for release. I'm not sure where people got it in their heads that they'll be forced into Metro (or whatever the hell they're going to be calling it). I've used it a little bit on a tablet and it's pretty solid. I'm looking forward to getting one of the Microsoft Slates with the x86 processor when they're released.

Of course, I'm a little biased since I program in C#. Looking forward to seeing what I can make this little OS do.
 
2012-08-08 01:37:02 PM

Mikey1969: Well, to be fair, design IS a lot about 'hunches' and 'intuition', and the design aspect IS important, but it's not the full story for something like an OS, there is a lot of technical knowledge as well.


I don't entirely disagree. The point is, proving the hunches should be a priority investment. Its all well and good to "feel" that something is better, but you should really prove it before adoption.
 
2012-08-08 01:37:40 PM
I own a computer store and have been running win8 to learn it before i have to deal with it daily.. and the sad thing is that without that horrible ungodly bad metro interface the OS is VERY fast. and very nice.. but that UI just is so painful to deal with on a pc:( i could see it being nice on a tablet or phone though
 
2012-08-08 01:37:58 PM

jayhawk88: Would it have been so farking terrible to give us a choice Microsoft? Traditional Desktop or Metro? That's all you had to do, and I might be throwing this on my main at work to see if there's anything worth getting excited about. Just a little concession that maybe 20 years of user interface isn't worth throwing into the trash because iPad.


I told my boss to tell the kid to remove Server 2012 trial and put on "an operating system that I can farking use, or I will walk off site". Doing VPN to that shiat is basically intolerable.

Personally, I reckon the tablet market is going to stagnate pretty soon. They're pretty much a complete product for what people want (browsing, playing noddy games). With a bit of luck, Windows tablets will be a crushing failure and they'll give users traditional or metro.
 
2012-08-08 01:45:41 PM

Mikey1969: Perlin Noise: jayhawk88: Just a little concession that maybe 20 years of user interface isn't worth throwing into the trash because iPad.


So my sister worked for MS for a few years. Shortly before she quit, she joined the Windows 8 team (as a user computer interactions expert/researcher. I'm not sure I should be saying this, but she did not tell me not to.

I asked her what the F they were thinking and this is what she said...

Here is an anecdote that has become legend in my house. At my ONE meeting with my new Manager at Windows 8, - keep in mind this guy oversaw 28 researchers! 28! - I presented him with a detailed research plan and asked for the resources to fulfill it. He responded with "Well Jennifer, you see here at Windows UX Research, we don't really work with data. We prefer to work with 'hunches'".


She quit weeks later. This brought me to the realization, if it really looks like they don't know what the fark they are doing, they almost certainly don't.

Microsoft is an extremely dysfunctional work environment full of only two motivations. Greed and Ego.

/that's my CSB for the month

Well, to be fair, design IS a lot about 'hunches' and 'intuition', and the design aspect IS important, but it's not the full story for something like an OS, there is a lot of technical knowledge as well.


A good design team would also listen to their user base, specifically when the user base is in an uproar over the beta versions of the design.


The user base I talk about is the corporate users. If THEY are pissed over Microsoft's design and saying they will not be upgrading to the new OS, no matter if Microsoft was giving it away for free and Microsoft refuse to listen to them, then Ego and Greed truly are clouding Microsoft's vision.

Seriously, being successful is not only about technical knowledge, hunches and intuition. It is also listening to the feedback from what your beta testers, what your customers you allow to preview the product and what the common user have on your product. Their are many games and other software that can be used as examples of great Technical Know-how, hunches and intuition which failed because the company failed to heed the feedback of their customers.

Who else is going to buy your product if the users reject it?


*IF* Apple was smart, they would immediately discuss a way to capitalize on Microsoft's possible flop of Windows 8. Perhaps the best way they could do this would be to create a version of Mac OS X for PC's which they could have ready for release shortly (within 6 months to a year) after Windows 8 was released. I know, they would have to hurdle the various hardware issues and such but perhaps a specific "This limited hardware is supported for now, and in the next release we will have better hardware support" (this is off the top of my head so I haven't fully thought all this through).

I could see Apple pulling a serious coup on Microsoft if Apple was able to successfully pull this off when people are still fuming over Windows 8. Could backfire if people just stick with Windows 7 and the Mac OS X port is buggy as hell but hell, it has huge potential if it could work.
 
2012-08-08 02:00:16 PM

Bschott007: *IF* Apple was smart, they would immediately discuss a way to capitalize on Microsoft's possible flop of Windows 8.


I don't think it's a problem. People will just not upgrade.

I've got a Vista Machine which I was going to upgrade to 8, but I think I'll upgrade to 7 instead.

Tim
 
2012-08-08 02:04:15 PM
 
2012-08-08 02:06:27 PM

Bschott007: *IF* Apple was smart,


Apple's too arrogant to be smart, but there would be nothing stopping them, they already have the ability to address Intel chips. It would be interesting to see, that's for sure, and it WOULD be a huge coup, I agree.
 
2012-08-08 02:07:34 PM
Two years ago:
"I hate Windows 7! I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

The same people today:
"I hate Windows 8! Windows 7 is great, it does everything I'll ever need."
 
2012-08-08 02:13:01 PM

pushpinder: Hello, 1987 called any they would like their packaging back.

Christ, Lord, somebody please get Balmer out of there! He is destroying the company.


He really is.

I have a theory that Ballmer, being the obnoxious, ape-like bully that he is, somehow intimidated nerdy little Bill Gates into hiring him, and eventually letting him run the whole show. There's no other explanation. The guy is a TERRIBLE at product development, terrible at PR, and terrible at managing employees.

Books will be written about Ballmer and the fall of Microsoft. Books are already being written, but Microsoft is on the path to being legendary for throwing it all away.
 
2012-08-08 02:14:27 PM

xalres: rom what I remember of the //build keynote last year, if your computer has more than a certain number of horizontal pixels on the main display it'll default to classic view. And you can always set it to boot in classic view, unless they're changing it for release.


Neither of those are true anymore. Windows 8 will always boot into Metro (excuse me, the "Windows 8 UI") regardless of the screen, and they very recently (as in, the past week or so) said that they've removed the (hidden, anyway) option to have the user set the default. It can still be done now, but it requires either 3rd-party software or scripting with the mouse movements.
 
2012-08-08 02:15:02 PM

Bschott007: then Ego and Greed truly are clouding Microsoft's vision


Another problem is, Microsoft has no collective vision. They are fiercely internally competitive.

One example is the original Microsoft tablet PC. It was pretty good except for one thing, the embedded software that allowed you to convert written text to computer text was very very poorly integrated with other Microsoft products (Office). This looks like dumbass mistake to users outside the company and was a large reason the product flopped.

The truth is, the Office branch did not want to work with the tablet people for fear of them encroaching on their territory. Because Office makes more money, they got their way and the tablet died a horrible death due to poor integration with other Microsoft products.

Trust me everyone, Microsoft is very very internally broken.
 
2012-08-08 02:18:07 PM

Icetech3: I own a computer store and have been running win8 to learn it before i have to deal with it daily.. and the sad thing is that without that horrible ungodly bad metro interface the OS is VERY fast. and very nice.. but that UI just is so painful to deal with on a pc:( i could see it being nice on a tablet or phone though


I use something similar as an extension on my start page on Chrome. THERE it works. On a browser, this icon-based navigation is nice, but for my OS GUI, they can kiss my ass. I'll stick with 7, it's awesome, no need to change.
 
2012-08-08 02:18:10 PM
Who buys boxed software anymore?
 
2012-08-08 02:19:37 PM
ugh , just plain ugly.
 
2012-08-08 02:19:39 PM

Bschott007: Actually, as I look at my bookshelf, I wish to revise my statement about the box art looking like Office for Mac. It looks more like the old box art for Adobe products (Photoshop 3.0 specifically). So 90's Microsoft.


You might want to point this out to the supposed "art director" who posted above you, apparently he finds it to be absolutely peachy.
 
2012-08-08 02:21:13 PM

MrSteve007: Two years ago:
"I hate Windows 7! I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."


Nope. Not even close. I did the public beta of 7 and told everyone how awesome it was, and how there wer no problems. We've been deploying it at work the whole time also. My network admin removed 89 within the first day of testing it though.
 
2012-08-08 02:21:27 PM
As someone who actually purchased new games for my 2600, I find this whole thread farking hilarious.
 
2012-08-08 02:26:59 PM

Bschott007: *IF* Apple was smart, they would immediately discuss a way to capitalize on Microsoft's possible flop of Windows 8. Perhaps the best way they could do this would be to create a version of Mac OS X for PC's which they could have ready for release shortly (within 6 months to a year) after Windows 8 was released. I know, they would have to hurdle the various hardware issues and such but perhaps a specific "This limited hardware is supported for now, and in the next release we will have better hardware support" (this is off the top of my head so I haven't fully thought all this through).


Apple doesn't want to do that. Remember, they aren't a software company. They are a hardware and media company. Their software (Mac OS X, iOS, the App Stores, Final Cut X, iWork/iLife, iTunes, iCloud, etc) are simply there to help them sell (and have complete control over) said hardware and media. Their goal isn't to have the biggest marketshare (although that's a bonus if it does happen), but to have the most profitable one. They can sell Mountain Lion for $20 because it's designed to run on a very specific set of known hardware, and that any money the lose on its development is more-than-recouped via selling more laptops, iMacs, and even iOS devices, because of the integration features.
 
2012-08-08 02:33:38 PM

Therac25: Trapper Keepers:
Remember these bad boys in school!
[i897.photobucket.com image 850x491]


This is what I thought too. MS needs to hire real designers that have a vision for the future, not stuck in the early 90s.
 
2012-08-08 02:34:25 PM

Mikey1969: MrSteve007: Two years ago:
"I hate Windows 7! I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

Nope. Not even close. I did the public beta of 7 and told everyone how awesome it was, and how there wer no problems. We've been deploying it at work the whole time also. My network admin removed 89 within the first day of testing it though.


Yeah, I don't remember very many people poo-pooing Windows 7. It was actually pretty beloved when it hit the testing stages.

But I guess it's harder to paint things in a light that you want without making shiat up, right MrSteve007?
 
2012-08-08 02:34:59 PM

Bschott007: Actually, as I look at my bookshelf, I wish to revise my statement about the box art looking like Office for Mac. It looks more like the old box art for Adobe products (Photoshop 3.0 specifically). So 90's Microsoft.


Hmmmmm:

Windows 8 box:
cdn2.sbnation.com

Photoshop 3.0:
0.tqn.com

Photoshop CS5:
graphixshare.com
 
2012-08-08 02:39:45 PM

Mikey1969: MrSteve007: Two years ago:
"I hate Windows 7! I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

Nope. Not even close. I did the public beta of 7 and told everyone how awesome it was, and how there wer no problems. We've been deploying it at work the whole time also. My network admin removed 89 within the first day of testing it though.


Yeah, I don't remember anyone saying "fark win7".... I DO recall quite a bit of "Fark Vista, I'm sticking with XP." Most everyone was looking forward to win7 around my end.
 
2012-08-08 02:43:10 PM

SithLord: Who buys boxed software anymore?


ALOT of people... i sell between 30-50 copies of 7 per week.. and some office (i try to talk people out of buying office as its overpriced) but plenty of people still buy boxed software... and most don't know how to download and burn a OS or put it on a thumbdrive to install..
 
2012-08-08 02:44:40 PM
What people whining about Win 8 every day are doing...

lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-08-08 02:45:29 PM

Icetech3: SithLord: Who buys boxed software anymore?

ALOT of people... i sell between 30-50 copies of 7 per week.. and some office (i try to talk people out of buying office as its overpriced) but plenty of people still buy boxed software... and most don't know how to download and burn a OS or put it on a thumbdrive to install..


plus its also easier than buring a backup to reinstall later. this way you already have it.
 
2012-08-08 02:52:29 PM

Perlin Noise: Its a farking box ...who gives a flying shiat...

It could have a golden turd on it and it would not matter.

This is similar to complaining about the art on a Coke can ...


i.imgur.com

Golden Turd is more fitting, though.
 
2012-08-08 02:53:00 PM

MightyPez: Mikey1969: MrSteve007: Two years ago:
"I hate Windows 7! I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

Nope. Not even close. I did the public beta of 7 and told everyone how awesome it was, and how there wer no problems. We've been deploying it at work the whole time also. My network admin removed 89 within the first day of testing it though.

Yeah, I don't remember very many people poo-pooing Windows 7. It was actually pretty beloved when it hit the testing stages.

But I guess it's harder to paint things in a light that you want without making shiat up, right MrSteve007?


Let's take a trip in the Fark wayback machine, shall we?

[Fail] 66% of Windows users still use XP. Tag is for Microsoft: - 04 Oct 2010:

sab6300 - "Show me a list of things I can do in Win 7 that I can't do in XP. And I will show you a list of things I could give 2 shiats about."

YixilTesiphon - "XP works just fine for what I need (Excel, OneNote, and Chrome, basically) on my craptacular work computer. Why would I drop money on an upgrade?"

namatad: "unless you are having problems, why would you replace working with new, other than just to have new? I only went with win7x64 with my new machine inorder to get bazillions of tons of memory.
and all I have is problems because some software I NEED wont install on x64 ...."

flaminio: "I have a lot of clients who use Windows XP and Office 2003. They don't want to learn any fancy new OS or fancy new productivity app. XP/2003 does everything they would ever want to do."

Fark Me To Tears: "I have XP Pro on two home machines. XP works just fine on both. I haven't found a reason to spend the money to upgrade."

True, there were plenty of people who were saying that Win 7 was great - but in just a single Fark thread about Win7/XP, nearly a year after the OS launch, plenty of people who said: "I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

So yeah, EBOD.
 
2012-08-08 02:53:40 PM

Irving Maimway: I loathe the "Start screen" and Metro apps suck arse, but once you slap on a start button replacement, put the quick launch bar back on, it's pretty freaking solid. Boot fast as hell too.

//Got Technet
//Will download next week.


BTW, a good Start button replacement is free from the good folks at Stardock Software.
 
2012-08-08 02:57:02 PM

Bijin: Are those boxes from 1993?


No, this is Windows 8. The boxes are from 2012.

I am not sure what you're confused about. Try googling Windows + 1993.
 
2012-08-08 02:57:37 PM

MrSteve007: MightyPez: Mikey1969: MrSteve007: Two years ago:
"I hate Windows 7! I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

Nope. Not even close. I did the public beta of 7 and told everyone how awesome it was, and how there wer no problems. We've been deploying it at work the whole time also. My network admin removed 89 within the first day of testing it though.

Yeah, I don't remember very many people poo-pooing Windows 7. It was actually pretty beloved when it hit the testing stages.

But I guess it's harder to paint things in a light that you want without making shiat up, right MrSteve007?

Let's take a trip in the Fark wayback machine, shall we?

[Fail] 66% of Windows users still use XP. Tag is for Microsoft: - 04 Oct 2010:

sab6300 - "Show me a list of things I can do in Win 7 that I can't do in XP. And I will show you a list of things I could give 2 shiats about."

YixilTesiphon - "XP works just fine for what I need (Excel, OneNote, and Chrome, basically) on my craptacular work computer. Why would I drop money on an upgrade?"

namatad: "unless you are having problems, why would you replace working with new, other than just to have new? I only went with win7x64 with my new machine inorder to get bazillions of tons of memory.
and all I have is problems because some software I NEED wont install on x64 ...."

flaminio: "I have a lot of clients who use Windows XP and Office 2003. They don't want to learn any fancy new OS or fancy new productivity app. XP/2003 does everything they would ever want to do."

Fark Me To Tears: "I have XP Pro on two home machines. XP works just fine on both. I haven't found a reason to spend the money to upgrade."

True, there were plenty of people who were saying that Win 7 was great - but in just a single Fark thread about Win7/XP, nearly a year after the OS launch, plenty of people who said: "I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

So yeah, EBOD.


Farkers were shiatting on something under the banner of a sensational headline? Say it isn't so! If that's your sampling, I can only laugh.

Reviewers liked it, techno-geeks liked it, and despite Fark headlines; it had a pretty snappy rate of adoption.

And you can Egyptian Book Of the Dead too!
 
2012-08-08 03:00:34 PM

SithLord: Who buys boxed software anymore?


You can say the same thing for pr0n.
 
2012-08-08 03:03:21 PM

MrSteve007: MightyPez: Mikey1969: MrSteve007: Two years ago:
"I hate Windows 7! I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

Nope. Not even close. I did the public beta of 7 and told everyone how awesome it was, and how there wer no problems. We've been deploying it at work the whole time also. My network admin removed 89 within the first day of testing it though.

Yeah, I don't remember very many people poo-pooing Windows 7. It was actually pretty beloved when it hit the testing stages.

But I guess it's harder to paint things in a light that you want without making shiat up, right MrSteve007?

Let's take a trip in the Fark wayback machine, shall we?

[Fail] 66% of Windows users still use XP. Tag is for Microsoft: - 04 Oct 2010:

sab6300 - "Show me a list of things I can do in Win 7 that I can't do in XP. And I will show you a list of things I could give 2 shiats about."

YixilTesiphon - "XP works just fine for what I need (Excel, OneNote, and Chrome, basically) on my craptacular work computer. Why would I drop money on an upgrade?"

namatad: "unless you are having problems, why would you replace working with new, other than just to have new? I only went with win7x64 with my new machine inorder to get bazillions of tons of memory.
and all I have is problems because some software I NEED wont install on x64 ...."

flaminio: "I have a lot of clients who use Windows XP and Office 2003. They don't want to learn any fancy new OS or fancy new productivity app. XP/2003 does everything they would ever want to do."

Fark Me To Tears: "I have XP Pro on two home machines. XP works just fine on both. I haven't found a reason to spend the money to upgrade."

True, there were plenty of people who were saying that Win 7 was great - but in just a single Fark thread about Win7/XP, nearly a year after the OS launch, plenty of people who said: "I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

So yeah, EBOD.


Those people hadn't even tried it (the laughably incorrect comment about x64 is a prime example) yet.

I liked the beta, and had all my systems switched over to Win7 by launch.

In comparison, I've also tried Win8, and it's nasty. Remove Metro as the "Default" interface, and bring back the Orb (not going to call it the "start" button), and Win8 would be a good upgrade, but trying to subvert 25+ years of good, efficient UI design to turn desktops into tablets, just to establish a common "walled garden" for the massive mobile market and the desktop market is just plain stupid (I can't even call it merely "misguided" - the move is purely a money grab by Microsoft execs).

Removing visual cues and simple button clicks for basic operations only drops productivity on a desktop. Wasting screen real estate and reverting BACK to a tiles "full screen" interface also reduces productivity. Hiding 80% of the functionality because it is only used 10% of the time reduces productivity.

Sure, these moves make SENSE on a tablet, where we are still figuring out the best ways to make it do the tasks we put to it - but a tablet and a dfesktop are VERY DIFFERENT beasts. Throwing out 25 years of optimized user interface design for desktops to flail around with a mobile UI is shortsighted, if not completely idiotic.
 
2012-08-08 03:08:13 PM

JoeJitsu:
BTW, a good Start button replacement is free from the good folks at Stardock Software.


That's the one I've been using. I'm sure at some point Stardock will charge a couple bucks for it and I'll buy it.
 
2012-08-08 03:13:06 PM

MightyPez: And you can Egyptian Book Of the Dead too!.


Link

Knows about books of the dead

/Love that song
 
2012-08-08 03:19:17 PM

MightyPez: Farkers were shiatting on something under the banner of a sensational headline? Say it isn't so! If that's your sampling, I can only laugh.

Reviewers liked it, techno-geeks liked it, and despite Fark headlines; it had a pretty snappy rate of adoption.


I love it. First you say: "I don't remember very many people poo-pooing Windows 7. It was actually pretty beloved when it hit the testing stages" and accuse me of making things up.

Then I give a link to people in these very same forums, backing up my claims that there were a fair number of people that didn't want to move to Win 7, and now you instead only want reviewers and techno-geek opinions.

Now we have people poo pooing Win8. Some of their complaints are valid (yes, I know, people don't like UI changes and will go kicking and screaming into the future with their eyes closed), but for the most part, today's complainers are likely the same curmudgeons who complained at the last product cycle, & complained about the ribbon UI. There's quite a bit to like in Win8 - I especially like the tighter integration into cloud based profiles (both to private servers and skydrive), overall OS speed is improved nicely, system wide spellcheck is very nice, a taskbar that finally works on multi-monitors, it has a smaller footprint and allows for USB booting. Let alone it'll finally have a touch UI for my work and home tablet PCs.

Will I deploy it day-one across the offices I manage? No, not likely. 6-months down the line? Probably. I will be installing the RTM version via my technet subscription on my workstation and home laptop when I can get my hands on it. I'm currently 50/50 on installing it on my home desktop, but will likely move that way in the coming month, as I tie more settings to skydrive.
 
2012-08-08 03:20:25 PM
Who gives a fark about the box?

Do people keep them as some type of collector's item or something?
 
2012-08-08 03:24:56 PM

Wise_Guy: Who gives a fark about the box?

Do people keep them as some type of collector's item or something?


This.

Everything sucks!
 
2012-08-08 03:26:28 PM

MrSteve007: I love it. First you say: "I don't remember very many people poo-pooing Windows 7. It was actually pretty beloved when it hit the testing stages" and accuse me of making things up.

Then I give a link to people in these very same forums, backing up my claims that there were a fair number of people that didn't want to move to Win 7, and now you instead only want reviewers and techno-geek opinions.


So when you said this:

MrSteve007: Two years ago:
"I hate Windows 7! I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."


Who were you addressing? A handful of farkers? Because that seems pretty damn silly. I assumed you weren't talking about a minority of rage-prone internet people, but I guess that was my mistake.

I guess I can start posting this in threads after I heard 2 homeless guys agree on it last month:

"Last month: The king of Spain broadcasts anti-semitic meatloaf recipes with his penis from the moon!"

Or, you know, I could try not to use a broad brush based on the opinions of what is a vast minority.

And with that you can Executive Board of Directors
 
2012-08-08 03:29:22 PM
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-08 03:30:57 PM

MrSteve007: Two years ago:
"I hate Windows 7! I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

Except that never happened.
 
2012-08-08 03:33:43 PM

spawn73: Bijin: Are those boxes from 1993?

No, this is Windows 8. The boxes are from 2012.


www.motifake.com
 
2012-08-08 03:37:48 PM

Wise_Guy: Do people keep them as some type of collector's item or something?


I still have a power glove in the box ...

plus all these:
C128, and Drives
Amiga 1000, 2 monitor boxes
TRS-80
NES (regular and top loader)
About 50 NES games
Atari 7800
10-20 various Atari games
Several Pong machines
Massive (nearly complete) Intelivision Game Collection
About 200-250 C64/C128/Vic-20/Amiga games and apps
About 10 of my very favorite older PC games (Daggerfall, Duke Nukem and the like)
And much more that are either too mundane or not coming to mind

and that's just my boxed stuff

There is something to be said for looking back at the graphics and text on those old boxes. I know its odd, but I find it fun. Especially looking through some of my really old game magazines.
 
2012-08-08 03:40:11 PM
cdn2.sbnation.com
Ah, it's the view from the outside of the window:
stepsandleaps.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-08 03:41:31 PM
cdn2.sbnation.com

Am I the only one seeing a praying mantis and a dalek giving a cleveland steamer to Sonic the hedgehog?

\what?
 
2012-08-08 03:41:45 PM

Perlin Noise: Microsoft is an extremely dysfunctional work environment full of only two motivations. Greed and EgoGreedo.


It's quicker and cleaner that way.
 
2012-08-08 03:42:48 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

Am I the only one?
 
2012-08-08 03:44:25 PM

downstairs: [upload.wikimedia.org image 352x350]

Am I the only one?


♫Her name is Metro and she dances on my screen!♫

Great, I'll have that in my head all night.
 
2012-08-08 03:46:36 PM

Mikey1969:

B: WTF Microsoft? WTF Apple? I DO NOT want my desktop OS to look and act like a farking tablet.


Running Mountain Lion on my MacBook Pro, and my desktop looks nothing like an iPad interface.
 
2012-08-08 03:49:19 PM

Perlin Noise: Wise_Guy: Do people keep them as some type of collector's item or something?

I still have a power glove in the box ...

plus all these:
C128, and Drives
Amiga 1000, 2 monitor boxes
TRS-80
NES (regular and top loader)
About 50 NES games
Atari 7800
10-20 various Atari games
Several Pong machines
Massive (nearly complete) Intelivision Game Collection
About 200-250 C64/C128/Vic-20/Amiga games and apps
About 10 of my very favorite older PC games (Daggerfall, Duke Nukem and the like)
And much more that are either too mundane or not coming to mind

and that's just my boxed stuff

There is something to be said for looking back at the graphics and text on those old boxes. I know its odd, but I find it fun. Especially looking through some of my really old game magazines.


How many boxed operating systems have you saved?
 
2012-08-08 03:56:59 PM

MrSteve007: Two years ago:
"I hate Windows 7! I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

The same people today:
"I hate Windows 8! Windows 7 is great, it does everything I'll ever need."


Ummm... no. I don't remember Windows 7 getting much, if any, hate. Most people thought 7 was a breath of fresh air after the abomination against God and Man that was Vista.
 
2012-08-08 04:01:37 PM

Wise_Guy: How many boxed operating systems have you saved?


Well, let me think. I have a couple Win95s, 2 Dos 6.22, Amiga 3000 original OS and Kickstart binder (sortta a box), I'm not sure but I think I have an OS/2 box lying around. Except for the Amiga stuff it is all sealed too. What can I say... I am a bit of a computer hoarder.

You are right though, when it comes to any modern OS I usually use an LSP style copy from work or, because I work and Indiana University, we can just buy a disk for about $20.
 
2012-08-08 04:02:04 PM

MightyPez: downstairs: [upload.wikimedia.org image 352x350]

Am I the only one?

♫Her name is Metro and she dances on my screen!♫

Great, I'll have that in my head all night.


OH fark you!
 
2012-08-08 04:02:15 PM

Theaetetus: [cdn2.sbnation.com image 640x359]
Ah, it's the view from the outside of the window:
[stepsandleaps.files.wordpress.com image 800x600]


I'm sure in the future we're going to argue about something -- but that was awesome (and topical).
 
2012-08-08 04:02:16 PM

Wise_Guy: Who gives a fark about the box?

Do people keep them as some type of collector's item or something?


Yes people collect them. Boxed copies of some early versions of DOS and Windows have sold for hundreds of dollars on ebay. I still have my boxed copies of OS/2 Warp 3.0 and 4.0, Windows 3.0, Windows 95 and a lot of my old desktop programs.
 
2012-08-08 04:07:14 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Running Mountain Lion on my MacBook Pro, and my desktop looks nothing like an iPad interface.


Apple has already announced their intention to start making the feel as "unified" as possible. They made this announcement at least 2 years ago.

Here's a quick article on just a few of the similarities in Mountain Lion.
 
2012-08-08 04:17:00 PM

Hand Banana: have my boxed copies of OS/2 Warp 3.0 and 4.0, Windows 3.0, Windows 95 and a lot of my old desktop programs.


Oh yeah ...I have at least one Windows 3.0

forgot about that one.
 
2012-08-08 04:18:47 PM

Hand Banana: I still have my boxed copies of OS/2 Warp 3.0 and 4.0


my os/2 warp box was huge and heavy because I think it came with like 50 disks.
 
2012-08-08 04:30:11 PM

Tax Boy: Hand Banana: I still have my boxed copies of OS/2 Warp 3.0 and 4.0

my os/2 warp box was huge and heavy because I think it came with like 50 disks.


Mine are the CD versions but they still weigh a ton because of all the books and manuals they come with.

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-08 04:31:00 PM

jayhawk88: How about these awesome weather/stock/mail/picture widgets I have on the Start Menu by default? Aren't the great? Well I'm going to remove them all if you join me to a domain. No, I'm not going to give you any kind of hint or indication how you might get them back. What are you doing on a domain anyway? Sell out.


The irony is that Enterprise edition must be joined to a domain to sideload line of business Metro apps.

The bludgeon is that the cheaper versions cannot join a domain at all.
 
2012-08-08 04:31:16 PM

Perlin Noise: Now all we need is the Pointer Sisters to sing when it pops up:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 477x342]

1 2 3 4 5, 6 7 8 9 10... 11, 12

/doo, doo doo, doo doo doo doo, doo etc...


YOU SONOFAbiatch. I hope to gods that song's on YouTube. If you got that stuck in my head, and I can't get it out, I will hunt you down.
 
2012-08-08 04:40:15 PM

MrSteve007: Bschott007: Actually, as I look at my bookshelf, I wish to revise my statement about the box art looking like Office for Mac. It looks more like the old box art for Adobe products (Photoshop 3.0 specifically). So 90's Microsoft.

Hmmmmm:

Windows 8 box:
[cdn2.sbnation.com image 640x359]

Photoshop 3.0:
[0.tqn.com image 491x425]


Take a closer look at the PS3.0 box and then Win 8 box.

Specifically the area near the brushes, the pallet, and left side of the painting on the PS 3 box art. Nearly identical except for spacing and the brushes are reversed in the angle. Also, just the late 80's early 90's color selection and graphics. Look at the user who posted the Duran Duran "Rio" cover art to get what I am referring to.


Photoshop CS5:
[graphixshare.com image 405x500]


Try Phtoshop CS (by the color gradients and "artsy" look.)
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-08 04:45:33 PM

civileng: Bijin: Are those boxes from 1993?

Ha! My thoughts exactly.


Same here. It's like I'm looking at WordPerfect, Lotus123, or a cheap screensaver (toasters!).
 
2012-08-08 04:47:21 PM

Hand Banana: Tax Boy: Hand Banana: I still have my boxed copies of OS/2 Warp 3.0 and 4.0

my os/2 warp box was huge and heavy because I think it came with like 50 disks.

Mine are the CD versions but they still weigh a ton because of all the books and manuals they come with.

[i46.tinypic.com image 500x316]


Totally. I remember the Windows 2000 Server (?) box having some sort of encyclopedia of every single device in the world that it works with or didn't work with.
 
2012-08-08 05:09:29 PM

Bschott007: Specifically the area near the brushes, the pallet, and left side of the painting on the PS 3 box art. Nearly identical except for spacing and the brushes are reversed in the angle. Also, just the late 80's early 90's color selection and graphics. Look at the user who posted the Duran Duran "Rio" cover art to get what I am referring to.


I can see where you're going with the similarity with the shapes behind the "window," just as I'm sure you can see how the foreground layout is very similar to the newer version of Adobe's software. As for the 80's color choice, if you haven't noticed, much the mid 80's color pallet, especially neon, is becoming exceedingly popular again. FYI - Duran Duran's Rio album was released in 1982 - which I wouldn't qualify as late 80's-early 90's.
4.bp.blogspot.com
/can't wait for flannel and grunge to make a comeback.
 
2012-08-08 05:12:34 PM

MrSteve007: Bschott007: Specifically the area near the brushes, the pallet, and left side of the painting on the PS 3 box art. Nearly identical except for spacing and the brushes are reversed in the angle. Also, just the late 80's early 90's color selection and graphics. Look at the user who posted the Duran Duran "Rio" cover art to get what I am referring to.

I can see where you're going with the similarity with the shapes behind the "window," just as I'm sure you can see how the foreground layout is very similar to the newer version of Adobe's software. As for the 80's color choice, if you haven't noticed, much the mid 80's color pallet, especially neon, is becoming exceedingly popular again. FYI - Duran Duran's Rio album was released in 1982 - which I wouldn't qualify as late 80's-early 90's.
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x316]
/can't wait for flannel and grunge to make a comeback.


My apology. I mistakenly thought, for some reason, Rio came out in 85 or 87. My bad. Honestly, I haven't noticed the 80's styles making a comeback, but then again just a few years ago the 70's styles tried to make a come back and that fade just as quickly died as it started.
 
2012-08-08 05:44:56 PM

Bschott007: My apology. I mistakenly thought, for some reason, Rio came out in 85 or 87. My bad. Honestly, I haven't noticed the 80's styles making a comeback, but then again just a few years ago the 70's styles tried to make a come back and that fade just as quickly died as it started.


Yeah, I was a bit incredulous about the latest styles - but I noticed my middle school nephew and nieces wearing skinny jeans, zebra print pants, neon and pretty much the same stuff as in LMFAO videos. All we need now is a return of hypercolor t-shirts.
 
2012-08-08 05:48:17 PM

SuperT: why is there a pro version of a tablet OS? Enterprise is never going to move to win8. Just like they never moved to vista.


The Pro version is for Intel/AMD powered tablets
RT is for ARM powered ones
 
2012-08-08 06:01:11 PM
Wait, you can still buy software in boxes?
 
2012-08-08 06:05:36 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: SuperT: why is there a pro version of a tablet OS? Enterprise is never going to move to win8. Just like they never moved to vista.

The Pro version is for Intel/AMD powered tablets
RT is for ARM powered ones


There's Windows 8 and Windows 8 Pro, both versions can be used on x86 tablets.
Windows 8 Pro is like Windows 7 Professional.
Windows 8 is like Windows 7 Home Premium.

Windows RT is new and it's more like Windows Embedded or Windows CE.
 
2012-08-08 06:21:49 PM

MrSteve007: Bschott007: My apology. I mistakenly thought, for some reason, Rio came out in 85 or 87. My bad. Honestly, I haven't noticed the 80's styles making a comeback, but then again just a few years ago the 70's styles tried to make a come back and that fade just as quickly died as it started.

Yeah, I was a bit incredulous about the latest styles - but I noticed my middle school nephew and nieces wearing skinny jeans, zebra print pants, neon and pretty much the same stuff as in LMFAO videos. All we need now is a return of hypercolor t-shirts.


Oh jesus. Zubaz, wrist snappers, Hypercolor t-shirts, No-Fear, mood rings, Bedazzler, Twist a Bead necklaces, parachute pants, puffed sleeves, Elastic belts, paint splatter clothes...

The horror that they are 'fashionable' again or the fact that I would die from laughter at people who thought sporting these today is 'fashionable'....I can't decide if I would want to see these again or not.

www.liketotally80s.com
 
2012-08-08 06:25:44 PM

MrSteve007: MightyPez: Mikey1969: MrSteve007: Two years ago:
"I hate Windows 7! I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

Nope. Not even close. I did the public beta of 7 and told everyone how awesome it was, and how there wer no problems. We've been deploying it at work the whole time also. My network admin removed 89 within the first day of testing it though.

Yeah, I don't remember very many people poo-pooing Windows 7. It was actually pretty beloved when it hit the testing stages.

But I guess it's harder to paint things in a light that you want without making shiat up, right MrSteve007?

Let's take a trip in the Fark wayback machine, shall we?

[Fail] 66% of Windows users still use XP. Tag is for Microsoft: - 04 Oct 2010:

sab6300 - "Show me a list of things I can do in Win 7 that I can't do in XP. And I will show you a list of things I could give 2 shiats about."

YixilTesiphon - "XP works just fine for what I need (Excel, OneNote, and Chrome, basically) on my craptacular work computer. Why would I drop money on an upgrade?"

namatad: "unless you are having problems, why would you replace working with new, other than just to have new? I only went with win7x64 with my new machine inorder to get bazillions of tons of memory.
and all I have is problems because some software I NEED wont install on x64 ...."

flaminio: "I have a lot of clients who use Windows XP and Office 2003. They don't want to learn any fancy new OS or fancy new productivity app. XP/2003 does everything they would ever want to do."

Fark Me To Tears: "I have XP Pro on two home machines. XP works just fine on both. I haven't found a reason to spend the money to upgrade."

True, there were plenty of people who were saying that Win 7 was great - but in just a single Fark thread about Win7/XP, nearly a year after the OS launch, plenty of people who said: "I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

So yeah, EBOD.


So you say people HATED windows 7, and you could only find ONE guy who actually said it was bad? And that guy was seemingly misguided?

And WE are the ones who should E a B of Ds?

There is a difference between not finding a product useful, and hating it. I do not find Top Gear useful. I hate Keeping Up With The Kardashians. The above comments are more like what I'd say about the former than the latter.
 
2012-08-08 06:36:16 PM

Perlin Noise: Microsoft is an extremely dysfunctional work environment full of only two motivations. Greed and Ego.


Uh, yeah! Most IT places are filled with people who have massive frickin' egos, and want shiatloads of money. I know, since I'm one of 'em!

/admitting you have a problem, the first step!
 
2012-08-08 07:00:56 PM

Bschott007: *IF* Apple was smart, they would immediately discuss a way to capitalize on Microsoft's possible flop of Windows 8. Perhaps the best way they could do this would be to create a version of Mac OS X for PC's which they could have ready for release shortly (within 6 months to a year) after Windows 8 was released. I know, they would have to hurdle the various hardware issues and such but perhaps a specific "This limited hardware is supported for now, and in the next release we will have better hardware support" (this is off the top of my head so I haven't fully thought all this through).

I could see Apple pulling a serious coup on Microsoft if Apple was able to successfully pull this off when people are still fuming over Windows 8. Could backfire if people just stick with Windows 7 and the Mac OS X port is buggy as hell but hell, it has huge potential if it could work.


Why would Mac do this? If OSX were a legit option on PCs, how would the "Apple tax" be justified? I'm always told it's the "Mac experience" that justifies the extra $500. If it's widely available on more powerful but cheaper machines, what then?

.
 
2012-08-08 07:04:58 PM

MightyPez: Reviewers liked it, techno-geeks liked it, and despite Fark headlines;


HeartBurnKid: Ummm... no. I don't remember Windows 7 getting much, if any, hate. Most people thought 7 was a breath of fresh air after the abomination against God and Man that was Vista.


Yotto: So you say people HATED windows 7, and you could only find ONE guy who actually said it was bad? And that guy was seemingly misguided?


To everyone saying Windows 7 was welcomed with open arms and received zero reviewer hate:

Jason Perlow, ZDNet: Windows 7: Mojave My Ass

To Which Ed Bott had to issue a rebuttal article: If you love windows XP, you'll hate Windows 7

/Windows 7 was a great improvement. I was one of the reviewers extolling that, even being accused by blogs as being bribed by Microsoft with the tech hardware they let me borrow for reviews.
//I also think Win8 is an improvement - although no free hardware this time to test.
 
2012-08-08 07:09:05 PM
So THAT's where the person who designed the 'Lisa Simpson giving head' Olympic logo went on to do.
 
2012-08-08 07:25:06 PM
I have Vista...should I go to 8?
 
2012-08-08 07:33:39 PM

MrSteve007: MightyPez: Reviewers liked it, techno-geeks liked it, and despite Fark headlines;

HeartBurnKid: Ummm... no. I don't remember Windows 7 getting much, if any, hate. Most people thought 7 was a breath of fresh air after the abomination against God and Man that was Vista.

Yotto: So you say people HATED windows 7, and you could only find ONE guy who actually said it was bad? And that guy was seemingly misguided?

To everyone saying Windows 7 was welcomed with open arms and received zero reviewer hate:

Jason Perlow, ZDNet: Windows 7: Mojave My Ass

To Which Ed Bott had to issue a rebuttal article: If you love windows XP, you'll hate Windows 7

/Windows 7 was a great improvement. I was one of the reviewers extolling that, even being accused by blogs as being bribed by Microsoft with the tech hardware they let me borrow for reviews.
//I also think Win8 is an improvement - although no free hardware this time to test.


ZDNet?

Well, there's your problem.
 
2012-08-08 07:34:51 PM
I use Windows 7 and I love it to death. However I like new things so I have to say that I'm pretty much okay with this. I won't be buying Windows 8 day one but I will probably pick it up assuming there aren't any major problems with it.
 
2012-08-08 07:42:12 PM

Bschott007: MrSteve007: Bschott007: My apology. I mistakenly thought, for some reason, Rio came out in 85 or 87. My bad. Honestly, I haven't noticed the 80's styles making a comeback, but then again just a few years ago the 70's styles tried to make a come back and that fade just as quickly died as it started.

Yeah, I was a bit incredulous about the latest styles - but I noticed my middle school nephew and nieces wearing skinny jeans, zebra print pants, neon and pretty much the same stuff as in LMFAO videos. All we need now is a return of hypercolor t-shirts.

Oh jesus. Zubaz, wrist snappers, Hypercolor t-shirts, No-Fear, mood rings, Bedazzler, Twist a Bead necklaces, parachute pants, puffed sleeves, Elastic belts, paint splatter clothes...

The horror that they are 'fashionable' again or the fact that I would die from laughter at people who thought sporting these today is 'fashionable'....I can't decide if I would want to see these again or not.

[www.liketotally80s.com image 192x237]


Was it just a California thing? I don't remember ever seeing anyone dressed like that except for maybe on Saved By The Bell.
 
2012-08-08 08:10:44 PM

strahdd: I have Vista...should I go to 8?


No. Go to Windows 7 and stay there.
 
2012-08-08 08:31:43 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Icetech3: SithLord: Who buys boxed software anymore?

ALOT of people... i sell between 30-50 copies of 7 per week.. and some office (i try to talk people out of buying office as its overpriced) but plenty of people still buy boxed software... and most don't know how to download and burn a OS or put it on a thumbdrive to install..

plus its also easier than buring a backup to reinstall later. this way you already have it.


I know that 7 "came with" my computer, and no install discs were provided. I made the recovery discs like it wants the first time I ran it, but they are very clear that the recovery discs ARE NOT install discs, and for some things you just need the full install discs.
 
2012-08-08 08:38:36 PM

MrSteve007: Two years ago:
"I hate Windows 7! I'm going to stick with XP, it does everything I'll ever need."

The same people today:
"I hate Windows 8! Windows 7 is great, it does everything I'll ever need."


Of the 64-bit MS-compatible OSes, which one would you choose? Oh I know. Whichever one Microsoft tells you is the greatest OS they've ever made.
 
2012-08-08 08:49:01 PM

eyefarkno: So now we're getting all warm and runny about the packaging? I'm a little more concerned about the substance than the style.


the joke-----------------

Your head--------------
 
2012-08-08 09:31:02 PM
I think a gave the box I had of NeXTSTEP to Goodwill a number of years ago. Still probably in a bin there collecting dust today.
 
2012-08-08 09:48:46 PM
A problem with Win8 that I've had with Windows for a while: hitting one, easy to bump key (alt, windows) shouldn't do anything. Function keys? Sure. Keys at the top of the keyboard? OK. But a key down by the heels of my hands, down by my thumbs? No. This is poor, poor UI, and has been for a long time, indeed.
 
2012-08-08 09:58:16 PM

feanorn: A problem with Win8 that I've had with Windows for a while: hitting one, easy to bump key (alt, windows) shouldn't do anything. Function keys? Sure. Keys at the top of the keyboard? OK. But a key down by the heels of my hands, down by my thumbs? No. This is poor, poor UI, and has been for a long time, indeed.


I've avoided that problem since I'm still using the same keyboard that came with my 386 (no Windows keys).
 
2012-08-08 10:52:36 PM
And what's so wrong about Windows 7 that requires this new OS to be released?
 
2012-08-08 10:53:32 PM

Amper: I don't know - I can't crap inside the OS. I can, however, crap in the box it came in.


It seems that Mr. Ballmer pre-filled it for you.
 
2012-08-09 12:39:03 AM
So I need to get a Windows 7 Desktop before this stupidity comes?
 
2012-08-09 06:37:01 AM

eddievercetti: So I need to get a Windows 7 Desktop before this stupidity comes?


No. there is no reason for a desktop user to avoid 8. But neither is there any reason you would upgrade an existing 7 machine to 8. I used the beta for several weeks, and it was no trouble to make it look and act like a regular 7 installation - and it does run a tiny tick snappier. But unless a device has a small screen and a touch interface - no reason to install 8.
But if I bought a desktop or laptop with 8 already loaded, i'd just use it - all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.
 
2012-08-09 07:30:49 AM

jso2897: eddievercetti: So I need to get a Windows 7 Desktop before this stupidity comes?

No. there is no reason for a desktop user to avoid 8. But neither is there any reason you would upgrade an existing 7 machine to 8. I used the beta for several weeks, and it was no trouble to make it look and act like a regular 7 installation - and it does run a tiny tick snappier. But unless a device has a small screen and a touch interface - no reason to install 8.
But if I bought a desktop or laptop with 8 already loaded, i'd just use it - all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.


So despite the big outcry from testers and MVPs about this being a horrible release, it's the shills just making things up? Get real.
 
2012-08-09 07:40:25 AM

MightyPez: jso2897: eddievercetti: So I need to get a Windows 7 Desktop before this stupidity comes?

No. there is no reason for a desktop user to avoid 8. But neither is there any reason you would upgrade an existing 7 machine to 8. I used the beta for several weeks, and it was no trouble to make it look and act like a regular 7 installation - and it does run a tiny tick snappier. But unless a device has a small screen and a touch interface - no reason to install 8.
But if I bought a desktop or laptop with 8 already loaded, i'd just use it - all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.

So despite the big outcry from testers and MVPs about this being a horrible release, it's the shills just making things up? Get real.


Experience has taught me to trust my own experience in these matters. In weeks of use, i had no problems using 8 exactly as i use 7. Many of the things I have seen stated in this thread are simply not true. Whether the individuals who post those things are shills or not, i neither know nor care.
On the other hand, there is an issue I am not addressing, because I can't - and that is whether it works well on the devices metro is intended for - if it doesn't, the whole thing is an excercise in futility - 8 does not improve the desktop experience in any way, and if it doesn't work well on mobile devices, it's a waste of code. But I Ieave that for others more knowledgable than I to address.
 
2012-08-09 07:49:38 AM

jso2897: Experience has taught me to trust my own experience in these matters. In weeks of use, i had no problems using 8 exactly as i use 7. Many of the things I have seen stated in this thread are simply not true. Whether the individuals who post those things are shills or not, i neither know nor care.


Again, the professionals that test these things, including people that are part of Microsoft's own MVP program are upset by this new version and have been trying to convince MS to make changes for months, but you accuse them of being paid shills for some reason. And your excuse for it is "Well I like it!"?

I understand not everyone will have the same reaction. But it's a pretty silly thing to accuse anyone that disagrees with you for having some sort of agenda for it.
 
2012-08-09 08:19:56 AM
Is the product inside Aldus PageMaker for Windows 3.0?

Because there's no other reason for that jumble of geometric shapes and gradients to be there.
 
2012-08-09 08:22:36 AM

SpaceBison: I think a gave the box I had of NeXTSTEP to Goodwill a number of years ago. Still probably in a bin there collecting dust today.


I still have mine, which I bought at my school's campus store for $0.01.

Now I just need to find a NeXT box with a working MO drive.
 
2012-08-09 08:44:14 AM

MightyPez: jso2897: Experience has taught me to trust my own experience in these matters. In weeks of use, i had no problems using 8 exactly as i use 7. Many of the things I have seen stated in this thread are simply not true. Whether the individuals who post those things are shills or not, i neither know nor care.

Again, the professionals that test these things, including people that are part of Microsoft's own MVP program are upset by this new version and have been trying to convince MS to make changes for months, but you accuse them of being paid shills for some reason. And your excuse for it is "Well I like it!"?

I understand not everyone will have the same reaction. But it's a pretty silly thing to accuse anyone that disagrees with you for having some sort of agenda for it.


I don't accuse anybody in particular of anything - and most "shills" are not paid - they are simply trolls who repeat things they've heard without investigating them - and you and me both know that applies to a depressingly large faction of the "professional" tech press. as well.
Chances are, they will make some changes before release - that's what betas are for. They may as well replace the "Start" menu, because everybody is just going to restore it with one of the half dozen apps available anyway. And I suppose they could somehow make it easier and more obvious to set Metro not to start up in the first place, so that you don't have to make that one, laborious mouse-click to turn it off.
But other than that, on the desktop, it's basically 7. I tested Photoshop, gimp, Office, several games, and various other apps - no problems.
Again - a lot of the writers who don't like it are questioning whether or not it will work well on mobile devices - and that's a major issue to which I cannot speak.
Sorry, but if my use of the word "shill" offends you, you are hysterically oversensitive.
 
2012-08-09 08:47:25 AM

jso2897: there is an issue I am not addressing, because I can't - and that is whether it works well on the devices metro is intended for - if it doesn't, the whole thing is an excercise in futility - 8 does not improve the desktop experience in any way, and if it doesn't work well on mobile devices, it's a waste of code.


Metro itself apparently works well on the tablet. Windows 8 as a whole, however, is a different story.
 
2012-08-09 08:56:23 AM

jso2897: I don't accuse anybody in particular of anything


MightyPez: all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.


Are you even cognisant of things you are saying?
 
2012-08-09 08:56:58 AM

MightyPez: jso2897: I don't accuse anybody in particular of anything

MightyPez: all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.

Are you even cognisant of things you are saying?


Ha, quote fail.
 
2012-08-09 09:40:02 AM

MightyPez: MightyPez: jso2897: I don't accuse anybody in particular of anything

MightyPez: all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.

Are you even cognisant of things you are saying?

Ha, quote fail.


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What quote fail? I don't see any quote fail!
 
2012-08-09 09:45:52 AM

jso2897: MightyPez: MightyPez: jso2897: I don't accuse anybody in particular of anything

MightyPez: all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.

Are you even cognisant of things you are saying?

Ha, quote fail.

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What quote fail? I don't see any quote fail!


I quoted my own post that was quoting you.

You still didn't answer the question though.

Here, I'll quote correctly:

jso2897: I don't accuse anybody in particular of anything


jso2897: all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.


Are you cognisant of what you are saying?
 
2012-08-09 09:46:13 AM

Joe_diGriz: jso2897: there is an issue I am not addressing, because I can't - and that is whether it works well on the devices metro is intended for - if it doesn't, the whole thing is an excercise in futility - 8 does not improve the desktop experience in any way, and if it doesn't work well on mobile devices, it's a waste of code.

Metro itself apparently works well on the tablet. Windows 8 as a whole, however, is a different story.


Well, see, that stuff might all be true - and if it is, that's a problem. Because as far as a desktop/laptop user is concerned, 8 has no reason to exist or not exist - and if it sucks on mobile devices, there is no good reason for it to exist at all.
 
2012-08-09 09:48:43 AM

MightyPez: jso2897: MightyPez: MightyPez: jso2897: I don't accuse anybody in particular of anything

MightyPez: all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.

Are you even cognisant of things you are saying?

Ha, quote fail.

[i18.photobucket.com image 350x411]
What quote fail? I don't see any quote fail!

I quoted my own post that was quoting you.

You still didn't answer the question though.

Here, I'll quote correctly:

jso2897: I don't accuse anybody in particular of anything

jso2897: all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.

Are you cognisant of what you are saying?


Yes - but evidently you aren't - not that you are any obligation to be. If you aren't interested in what I have to say, must you waste my time trying to start a child's semantic quarrel? It's really tedious of you.
It would make more sense for you not to talk to me at all. (hint, hint)
 
2012-08-09 09:48:49 AM

jso2897: eddievercetti: So I need to get a Windows 7 Desktop before this stupidity comes?

No. there is no reason for a desktop user to avoid 8. But neither is there any reason you would upgrade an existing 7 machine to 8. I used the beta for several weeks, and it was no trouble to make it look and act like a regular 7 installation - and it does run a tiny tick snappier. But unless a device has a small screen and a touch interface - no reason to install 8.
But if I bought a desktop or laptop with 8 already loaded, i'd just use it - all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.


I have used the Release Candidate of Windows 8. The forcing of the Metro interface and the absence of a Start menu caused me to feel anger.

I was also angered by my inability to complete system "activation" during setup, due to the absence of an Internet connection at the time. I had to turn off the computer and turn it back on in order to complete a proper boot before I was able to configure network settings and activate.
 
2012-08-09 09:50:36 AM

jso2897: MightyPez: jso2897: MightyPez: MightyPez: jso2897: I don't accuse anybody in particular of anything

MightyPez: all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.

Are you even cognisant of things you are saying?

Ha, quote fail.

[i18.photobucket.com image 350x411]
What quote fail? I don't see any quote fail!

I quoted my own post that was quoting you.

You still didn't answer the question though.

Here, I'll quote correctly:

jso2897: I don't accuse anybody in particular of anything

jso2897: all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.

Are you cognisant of what you are saying?

Yes - but evidently you aren't - not that you are any obligation to be. If you aren't interested in what I have to say, must you waste my time trying to start a child's semantic quarrel? It's really tedious of you.
It would make more sense for you not to talk to me at all. (hint, hint)


Ah, so you can say one thing then completely contradict yourself immediately after and you're still correct. Gotcha.
 
2012-08-09 09:51:16 AM

Dimensio: jso2897: eddievercetti: So I need to get a Windows 7 Desktop before this stupidity comes?

No. there is no reason for a desktop user to avoid 8. But neither is there any reason you would upgrade an existing 7 machine to 8. I used the beta for several weeks, and it was no trouble to make it look and act like a regular 7 installation - and it does run a tiny tick snappier. But unless a device has a small screen and a touch interface - no reason to install 8.
But if I bought a desktop or laptop with 8 already loaded, i'd just use it - all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.

I have used the Release Candidate of Windows 8. The forcing of the Metro interface and the absence of a Start menu caused me to feel anger.

I was also angered by my inability to complete system "activation" during setup, due to the absence of an Internet connection at the time. I had to turn off the computer and turn it back on in order to complete a proper boot before I was able to configure network settings and activate.


You must have gotten a different ver5sion than I did. I just turned Metro off, and restored the start menu - took maybe four minutes. Had no trouble activating.
Later, i realized i didn't need the Start menu, and got rid of it - but YMMV.
 
2012-08-09 09:53:02 AM

MightyPez: jso2897: MightyPez: jso2897: MightyPez: MightyPez: jso2897: I don't accuse anybody in particular of anything

MightyPez: all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.

Are you even cognisant of things you are saying?

Ha, quote fail.

[i18.photobucket.com image 350x411]
What quote fail? I don't see any quote fail!

I quoted my own post that was quoting you.

You still didn't answer the question though.

Here, I'll quote correctly:

jso2897: I don't accuse anybody in particular of anything

jso2897: all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.

Are you cognisant of what you are saying?

Yes - but evidently you aren't - not that you are any obligation to be. If you aren't interested in what I have to say, must you waste my time trying to start a child's semantic quarrel? It's really tedious of you.
It would make more sense for you not to talk to me at all. (hint, hint)

Ah, so you can say one thing then completely contradict yourself immediately after and you're still correct. Gotcha.


You like arguing about personal trivia rather than discussing the subject at hand. Gotcha.
Seriously - you need to talk to someone else who shares your quarrelsome interests.
 
2012-08-09 10:07:51 AM

jso2897: You like arguing about personal trivia rather than discussing the subject at hand. Gotcha.
Seriously - you need to talk to someone else who shares your quarrelsome interests.


Ummm... that was the subject at hand. I said it was silly for you to dismiss negative opinions of 8 because you accused people that did of being shills or fanboys. Then you claimed you didn't say that.

I get it, you want to shift the focus of the conversation because you said something kinda dumb. Just take your lump and move on.
 
2012-08-09 10:16:57 AM

MightyPez: jso2897: You like arguing about personal trivia rather than discussing the subject at hand. Gotcha.
Seriously - you need to talk to someone else who shares your quarrelsome interests.

Ummm... that was the subject at hand. I said it was silly for you to dismiss negative opinions of 8 because you accused people that did of being shills or fanboys. Then you claimed you didn't say that.

I get it, you want to shift the focus of the conversation because you said something kinda dumb. Just take your lump and move on.


Lighten up, Francis.
You'll get over it.
 
2012-08-09 10:27:10 AM

jso2897: all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.


Wow... I'm usually rooting for Microsoft, unless they do something stupid. I'm not some flighty guy who just checks e-mail and surfs the web - I'm a developer with 30 years of experience, currently employed by a rather large company with a rather large Information Services division, writing software that is used in hundreds of thousands of PCs on a daily basis. Oh, and I have permanent, on-location Microsoft employees to consult when I need information that can't be googled regarding how the operating system operates or particular API calls that might not be well documented (in which case, I usually get callbacks from the.Microsoft developer who write that bit of code).

So... I'm no shill or "anti-fanboi" (egads, anybody who uses the term "boi" is just gay, NTTAWWT, except out of context, like this). I have been running Win8 since it was first made available to me through MSDN. I have a copy running right now in a virtual - and it still sucks.

As I said, Metro is pretty much everything wrong with it, and removing the Orb was a blatant attempt to push people into the "Windows 8-style UI Start Screen", which is an abomination. The entire Metro interface is awful for the desktop user.

Sure, you can get an aftermarket app (I use vistart) to get an Orb back, but it's not as useful as the Win7 menu was. At least I have program groups back... and I can access everything that is installed on my system. I still have to go through the crappy Metro screen to get there, though.

Otherwise, Win8 is decent enough, with some performance improvements. I don't even mind an app store (why did this take so long?), but why focus exclusively on Metro apps? Why force users to Metro? In short, there was no reason to bring the two (Mobile and Desktop) worlds together... both have very different sets of functionality and use cases. Both have very different demands on display real estate and user interaction. Both have wildly different degrees of user input, with mobile users more likely to tweet, rather than write an essay or crunch numbers. The UIs should be tailored for those realities, not mashed together to chop development costs in a rush to a walled garden and the revenue of the app store model.

What a majority of users are saying is that Microsoft needs to:

1) Bring back the Orb Menu
2) Allow Metro to be optional, or at least take a minor role on desktop systems (much like the desktop is GONE in ARM systems)
3) Consider slightly altering the Metro UI in desktops to bring back long-used UI elements that have helped us be more efficient, like a "Close" button

It's not rocket science. With Win8, I get the feeling the whole thing is some bizarre power play from the former program manager who ran "Bob", still irate that his brainchild got canned, now taking revenge on the entire Windows using community.
 
2012-08-09 10:41:04 AM

LesserEvil: jso2897: all the fud is coming from shills/anti-fanbois or people who haven't actually used it.

Wow... I'm usually rooting for Microsoft, unless they do something stupid. I'm not some flighty guy who just checks e-mail and surfs the web - I'm a developer with 30 years of experience, currently employed by a rather large company with a rather large Information Services division, writing software that is used in hundreds of thousands of PCs on a daily basis. Oh, and I have permanent, on-location Microsoft employees to consult when I need information that can't be googled regarding how the operating system operates or particular API calls that might not be well documented (in which case, I usually get callbacks from the.Microsoft developer who write that bit of code).

So... I'm no shill or "anti-fanboi" (egads, anybody who uses the term "boi" is just gay, NTTAWWT, except out of context, like this). I have been running Win8 since it was first made available to me through MSDN. I have a copy running right now in a virtual - and it still sucks.

As I said, Metro is pretty much everything wrong with it, and removing the Orb was a blatant attempt to push people into the "Windows 8-style UI Start Screen", which is an abomination. The entire Metro interface is awful for the desktop user.

Sure, you can get an aftermarket app (I use vistart) to get an Orb back, but it's not as useful as the Win7 menu was. At least I have program groups back... and I can access everything that is installed on my system. I still have to go through the crappy Metro screen to get there, though.

Otherwise, Win8 is decent enough, with some performance improvements. I don't even mind an app store (why did this take so long?), but why focus exclusively on Metro apps? Why force users to Metro? In short, there was no reason to bring the two (Mobile and Desktop) worlds together... both have very different sets of functionality and use cases. Both have very different demands on display real estate and u ...


All I ever had to say is this: I would not upgrade a desktop or laptop to 8 - but if I bought a new one that already had it, i wouldn't flatten and reload 7. And a lot of the "negatives" that I am hearing are things that did not happen with my experience (approx. a month) using the OS. I am simply reporting my own observations, and have no interest in the fanboi/antifanboi wars.
 
2012-08-09 11:21:48 AM

Hand Banana: Bschott007: MrSteve007: Bschott007: My apology. I mistakenly thought, for some reason, Rio came out in 85 or 87. My bad. Honestly, I haven't noticed the 80's styles making a comeback, but then again just a few years ago the 70's styles tried to make a come back and that fade just as quickly died as it started.

Yeah, I was a bit incredulous about the latest styles - but I noticed my middle school nephew and nieces wearing skinny jeans, zebra print pants, neon and pretty much the same stuff as in LMFAO videos. All we need now is a return of hypercolor t-shirts.

Oh jesus. Zubaz, wrist snappers, Hypercolor t-shirts, No-Fear, mood rings, Bedazzler, Twist a Bead necklaces, parachute pants, puffed sleeves, Elastic belts, paint splatter clothes...

The horror that they are 'fashionable' again or the fact that I would die from laughter at people who thought sporting these today is 'fashionable'....I can't decide if I would want to see these again or not.

[www.liketotally80s.com image 192x237]

Was it just a California thing? I don't remember ever seeing anyone dressed like that except for maybe on Saved By The Bell.


Actually, I remember seeing people in North Dakota (of all places) wearing this stuff back in the day. In fact, a friend of mine still has a couple pairs of Zubaz that he wears when he handwashes and details his car or does yard work. I like giving him crap about being stuck in the 80's when he wears them.
 
2012-08-09 02:08:44 PM

Bijin: Are those boxes from 1993?


Literally, my exact words. Exact. That's amazing. Even 1993.
 
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