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2012-08-08 01:19:52 PM
On slo-mo it looks like the ball hit the grass in front of the glove webbing. Subby sounds like a crying Rockies fan to me.

But I repeat myself.
 
2012-08-08 01:21:32 PM
Vin Scully is not infallible. The call was correct.

We still need replay, but come on. That was definitely a trap.
 
2012-08-08 02:20:02 PM
Bud Selig, here's a suggestion: Bring instant replay to baseball, then make it a suspension for anyone to leave the dugout to argue a call. Boom. Done.
 
2012-08-08 02:25:08 PM
That was totally a trap. But yes, we do still need instant replay.
 
2012-08-08 02:25:45 PM

obeymatt: Bud Selig, here's a suggestion: Bring instant replay to baseball, then make it a suspension for anyone to leave the dugout to argue a call. Boom. Done.


the umpire called him out of the dugout
 
2012-08-08 02:28:43 PM
funnycrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com
 
2012-08-08 02:33:05 PM
"That is blinkin' fertilizer. You've gotta be blinkin' me!... I'm doing my best to translate."

/I don't disagree with the call. It was so close, even on slo-mo replay, that it could go either way.
/would like instant replay in baseball
 
2012-08-08 02:38:41 PM
Did anyone think to look for a grass stain on the ball?

Would it even have one if it hit the ground?

Inquiring minds, etc.
 
2012-08-08 02:39:49 PM

skrame: "That is blinkin' fertilizer. You've gotta be blinkin' me!... I'm doing my best to translate."

/I don't disagree with the call. It was so close, even on slo-mo replay, that it could go either way.
/would like instant replay in baseball


It took me about 15 times to get it right, but you can pause the video during the 34th second and see the ball on the ground AND on the glove at the same time. I do not know, nor am I going to look up, how an ump would rule on that, but it is pretty clear on that video, and I assume the umps could advance the video frame by frame to see it.

//Bring in replay, dump the DH, I am torn on automatic suspensions for arguing calls since it is usually hilarious
 
2012-08-08 02:40:09 PM
I read the headline, then started to watch the video. After the real-time play, I was thinking "Don't tell me the umps ruled that an out"

BKITU: Subby sounds like a crying Rockies fan to me.


This
 
2012-08-08 02:40:38 PM
No, there is no reason that provides a 'need' to have instant replay in baseball.

Subby and others might want one, but there is no need for one.
 
2012-08-08 02:46:29 PM
Another vote for "he trapped it but baseball still needs replay."
 
2012-08-08 02:51:20 PM
He didn't even trap it, he short hopped it.
I could tell from the replay... which maybe reason enough that baseball needs replay.
 
2012-08-08 02:53:21 PM
baseball is slow enough that you would need a nfl style system of 2 challenge calls per game per team, but you can not contest a game in which you lose a challenge.

cant contest balls and strikes
challenges count as a visit to the mound (just so we dont get the challenge commercials, mound visit, 2nd visit to replace pitcher more commercials)

/why would any rocky fan care this time of year
 
2012-08-08 02:57:41 PM

mootmah: [funnycrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com image 487x306]


Yep, THIS
 
2012-08-08 02:59:48 PM
I'm just going to vote to dump the DH.
 
2012-08-08 03:04:02 PM
This is not the reason we need replay in baseball. However, it is the reason Vin Scully should do every baseball game ever until he retires. He's the best.

/Pirates fan forced to listen to hack announcers
 
2012-08-08 03:11:46 PM
Umm, it clearly hit the grass in the slo-mo. So yes, they do need replay so coaches and fans can STFU when they obviously called it right the first time.
 
2012-08-08 03:19:12 PM

NkThrasher: No, there is no reason that provides a 'need' to have instant replay in baseball.

Subby and others might want one, but there is no need for one.


Baseball can continue to fade into Bolivian without replay. Those of us in the 21st century won't mind its disappearance at all.
 
2012-08-08 03:21:46 PM

skrame: "That is blinkin' fertilizer. You've gotta be blinkin' me!... I'm doing my best to translate."


Came here for this.
 
2012-08-08 03:27:50 PM

PowerSlacker: Baseball can continue to fade into Bolivian without replay. Those of us in the 21st century won't mind its disappearance at all.


How, exactly, would replay save it from fading into 'Bolivian'?

In Football every action of every game matters because there are so few games and actions to be had. Thus replay makes sense, although I still don't think it can be called 'needed'. In baseball there are so many actions over so many games that any bad call situation gets averaged out over time and becomes just part of the game.

Touting a close call even with replay available as 'proof' for the necessity of replay is silly, show me where there are routine screwups that are easily seen on replay that happen all the time and that can be a discussion about the merit of it.
 
2012-08-08 03:31:42 PM
Here's why it isn't a trap or a short-hop:

Watch the white spot on the inside of the glove webbing that appears only at 0:33. The ball hits it dead on. This is what forces the top of the glove back. The ball is still completely in contact with that part of the glove. As the glove is pushed backward, the ball is rolling up into the palm. The ball does appear to bounce when viewed at the front angle (0:25) but it is doing so off the top of the webbing. I THINK it was caught.
 
2012-08-08 03:34:46 PM
I like football as much as the next guy, but who really checks out of the home stretch of the baseball season to watch preseason NFL games? Pennant chase > warm up football.
 
2012-08-08 03:38:38 PM

WinoRhino: Here's why it isn't a trap or a short-hop:

Watch the white spot on the inside of the glove webbing that appears only at 0:33. The ball hits it dead on. This is what forces the top of the glove back. The ball is still completely in contact with that part of the glove. As the glove is pushed backward, the ball is rolling up into the palm. The ball does appear to bounce when viewed at the front angle (0:25) but it is doing so off the top of the webbing. I THINK it was caught.


It seems to hit both the grass and the glove when it lands, hence a trap.
 
2012-08-08 03:45:42 PM

downstairs: WinoRhino: Here's why it isn't a trap or a short-hop:

Watch the white spot on the inside of the glove webbing that appears only at 0:33. The ball hits it dead on. This is what forces the top of the glove back. The ball is still completely in contact with that part of the glove. As the glove is pushed backward, the ball is rolling up into the palm. The ball does appear to bounce when viewed at the front angle (0:25) but it is doing so off the top of the webbing. I THINK it was caught.

It seems to hit both the grass and the glove when it lands, hence a trap.


The ball hit the lip of the glove, which was on the ground, and bounced off the lip into the heel of the glove. It's a catch.
 
2012-08-08 03:54:39 PM
I really wish people would stop crying about the DH. Its been around for 40 years. It isn't going anywhere. Shut up.
 
2012-08-08 03:58:42 PM
It hit the grass while it was going from the webbing to the inside part of the glove, so it's not a pop fly. Just as it wouldn't count as an out if he caught it cleanly but it bounced out of the glove onto the ground and back into the glove.

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It's a trap.
 
2012-08-08 04:17:18 PM

NkThrasher: No, there is no reason that provides a 'need' to have instant replay in baseball.

Subby and others might want one, but there is no need for one.


Yeah, there's no need for this sport to be behind the times, when half of these olympic sports - including ARCHERY - make full use of available technology.
 
2012-08-08 04:19:54 PM

R Kelly's Doo Doo Butter: I really wish people would stop crying about the DH. Its been around for 40 years. It isn't going anywhere. Shut up.


Because it removes a strategically fundamental part of the game? Additionally, the only thing I hate more than the DH itself, is the fact that only half of MLB uses it. I understand allowing variations in the outfield fence, but to have the pitcher hit in one league and not in the other isn't a quirky homage or a unique facet of the game, it's stupid. It affects everything about how a team is built and run, and how games are managed. The AL and NL may as well not have anything to do with each other. How they can use such disparate rules and yet maintain their monopoly exemption is beyond me.

That is the extending failure of every commissioner since the leagues began playing as one organization. Just pick one already (and by pick one, I mean get rid of the DH, it removes any strategy from an already easy to manage game).
 
2012-08-08 04:22:08 PM

ongbok: downstairs: WinoRhino: Here's why it isn't a trap or a short-hop:

Watch the white spot on the inside of the glove webbing that appears only at 0:33. The ball hits it dead on. This is what forces the top of the glove back. The ball is still completely in contact with that part of the glove. As the glove is pushed backward, the ball is rolling up into the palm. The ball does appear to bounce when viewed at the front angle (0:25) but it is doing so off the top of the webbing. I THINK it was caught.

It seems to hit both the grass and the glove when it lands, hence a trap.

The ball hit the lip of the glove, which was on the ground, and bounced off the lip into the heel of the glove. It's a catch.


Hmmmm... looks like you're probably right now that I look at it again. I'd say in such a close scenario like this, I'd defer to the fielder.

/Yes, we do need instant replay
 
2012-08-08 04:34:13 PM

mootmah: [funnycrave.frsucrave.netdna-cdn.com image 487x306]


thread over
 
2012-08-08 04:34:15 PM

roc6783: R Kelly's Doo Doo Butter: I really wish people would stop crying about the DH. Its been around for 40 years. It isn't going anywhere. Shut up.

Because it removes a strategically fundamental part of the game? Additionally, the only thing I hate more than the DH itself, is the fact that only half of MLB uses it. I understand allowing variations in the outfield fence, but to have the pitcher hit in one league and not in the other isn't a quirky homage or a unique facet of the game, it's stupid. It affects everything about how a team is built and run, and how games are managed. The AL and NL may as well not have anything to do with each other. How they can use such disparate rules and yet maintain their monopoly exemption is beyond me.

That is the extending failure of every commissioner since the leagues began playing as one organization. Just pick one already (and by pick one, I mean get rid of the DH, it removes any strategy from an already easy to manage game).


Because pitching around the 8 hitter to get a free strikeout from the pitcher batting is such a mind-blowing use of strategic genius.

It's not like it takes a rocket scientist to figure out a double switch either. I've seen it done in the AL plenty of times. There's more strategy involved in pitch selection, defensive alignment, and match-ups than there ever was in determining if you need to pinch hit for a pitcher in the 7th inning.
 
2012-08-08 04:46:01 PM
Why? They got the call right.
 
2012-08-08 04:47:18 PM
Season is not over and more replay would suck.
 
2012-08-08 04:51:25 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: Season is not over and more replay would suck.


How so? They'd get the calls right. I want that.
 
2012-08-08 04:52:56 PM
Okay, after that replay, umm it is fine as it is.
 
2012-08-08 04:56:22 PM

downstairs: Fear_and_Loathing: Season is not over and more replay would suck.

How so? They'd get the calls right. I want that.


Baseball is a game. Running to the booth slows it down and is unnecessary. It evens out in the end. More oversight is not necessary. Camera angles make mistakes as well.
 
2012-08-08 04:57:20 PM
Should the televised pitch boxes over rule the home plate ump?
 
2012-08-08 04:57:41 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-08 05:00:16 PM

spin359: obeymatt: Bud Selig, here's a suggestion: Bring instant replay to baseball, then make it a suspension for anyone to leave the dugout to argue a call. Boom. Done.

the umpire called him out of the dugout


So he wouldn't be suspended when I'm the commish.
 
2012-08-08 05:00:39 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: Baseball is a game. Running to the booth slows it down


Jawing at the ump for 5 mins after you've been thrown out of the game also slows it down, but that has been in baseball since it began. I'm of the belief that replay would at least cut down on the amount the Manager can argue with an Ump after a disputed call.

Manager: "Are you blinkin' kidding me? That's blinkin' fertilizer"
Ump: "Hey man, you can go and yell at the replay operators. We've got a ball game to get back to."
 
2012-08-08 05:05:08 PM

degenerate-afro: Fear_and_Loathing: Baseball is a game. Running to the booth slows it down

Jawing at the ump for 5 mins after you've been thrown out of the game also slows it down, but that has been in baseball since it began. I'm of the belief that replay would at least cut down on the amount the Manager can argue with an Ump after a disputed call.

Manager: "Are you blinkin' kidding me? That's blinkin' fertilizer"
Ump: "Hey man, you can go and yell at the replay operators. We've got a ball game to get back to."


I like pissed off managers. That is their job.
 
2012-08-08 05:05:49 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: downstairs: Fear_and_Loathing: Season is not over and more replay would suck.

How so? They'd get the calls right. I want that.

Baseball is a game. Running to the booth slows it down and is unnecessary. It evens out in the end. More oversight is not necessary. Camera angles make mistakes as well.


Well, at least how about some sort of challenge flag scenario. You get 1 or 2 challenges per game, like the NFL. That way it would be limited to the worst of the worst calls (which you have to admit, have been increasing like crazy lately.)

Also, the replay call would take like 1 minute. Like someone said above... without replay, you're going to get an argument on the field for 3-5 minutes.

I'd also support a rule that any argument after replay is an automatic ejection.
 
2012-08-08 05:06:28 PM

SlagginOff: roc6783: R Kelly's Doo Doo Butter: ***snip***

Because pitching around the 8 hitter to get a free strikeout from the pitcher batting is such a mind-blowing use of strategic genius.

It's not like it takes a rocket scientist to figure out a double switch either. I've seen it done in the AL plenty of times - why would an AL manager ever have to do a double switch with the pitcher in an AL park?. There's more strategy involved in pitch selection - What the hell team are you watching where the manager chooses the pitches?, defensive alignment - determined by a spray chart on a computer and handed out by a base coach, and match-ups -really? Use the lefty against lefties, use whichever righty didn't go yesterday, use your closer in the 9th with a lead, than there ever was in determining if you need to pinch hit for a pitcher in the 7th inning.


Ok, here is a pretty common scenario:
5th inning, 1 out, runners on 1st and 2nd and the number 9 batter at the plate. Starting pitcher has struggled and is at 85 pitches. Score is tied.

Here is the AL manager's thought process, "Hope this guy gets a hit since he is either the 9th best hitter on my team or anyone who is better than him has the day off."

Here is the NL manager's thought process, "Who do I have on the bench to hit, can I afford to blow a bullpen arm on one inning that my starter could cover, how badly am I messing up the rotation of bullpen guys that we have been using, can I trust anyone on my bench to get a hit since all of my good hitters have to be competent fielders too and are, therefore, already in, and 20 other things I am not thinking of off the top of my head."
 
2012-08-08 05:07:28 PM

roc6783: skrame: "That is blinkin' fertilizer. You've gotta be blinkin' me!... I'm doing my best to translate."

/I don't disagree with the call. It was so close, even on slo-mo replay, that it could go either way.
/would like instant replay in baseball

It took me about 15 times to get it right, but you can pause the video during the 34th second and see the ball on the ground AND on the glove at the same time. I do not know, nor am I going to look up, how an ump would rule on that, but it is pretty clear on that video, and I assume the umps could advance the video frame by frame to see it.

//Bring in replay, dump the DH, I am torn on automatic suspensions for arguing calls since it is usually hilarious


Automatic expulsion for boring argument of calls.
Expulsion retracted when a heated argument ensues.
Call is reversed if dust is kicked up and there is that thing with the coach/ref, they're on their toes and their faces are centimeters apart.
Points (runs) given if bases are taken or resin bag is grenade-tossed.

/there-they're-their in same sentence!
 
2012-08-08 05:08:30 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: I like pissed off managers. That is their job.


Heh. We agree here. Me and my wife always use the term "baseball fight". Its when we've been bickering so long, none of us are going to agree, but we just keep bickering for the heck of it.
 
2012-08-08 05:09:07 PM
Fark needs more AKBAR!
 
2012-08-08 05:11:06 PM

shiryatsya: [i.imgur.com image 678x360]


I'd say inconclusive from that image. The ball could have webbing under it from that point, but with that angle you can't really see it clearly.
 
2012-08-08 05:11:32 PM
Once again, I see a video showing baseball umpiring working exactly the way it's supposed to work, and a threadful of farkers calling for a change to instant replay based on the video.
 
2012-08-08 05:16:13 PM

skrame: roc6783: skrame: ***snip***

//Bring in replay, dump the DH, I am torn on automatic suspensions for arguing calls since it is usually hilarious

Automatic expulsion for boring argument of calls.
Expulsion retracted when a heated argument ensues.
Call is reversed if dust is kicked up and there is that thing with the coach/ref, they're on their toes and their faces are centimeters apart.
Points (runs) given if bases are taken or resin bag is grenade-tossed.

/there-they're-their in same sentence!


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