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2012-08-08 12:45:12 PM  
...and question number one is: will they let Strasburg pitch in the playoffs?
 
2012-08-08 12:45:32 PM  
Submitter: Washington Nationals now have the best record in baseball all by themselves, first team to 67 wins

FTFY, Subby.

/Sorry, Pet Peeve
 
2012-08-08 12:46:11 PM  
Yup, the Reds have hit the wall
 
2012-08-08 12:51:50 PM  
I forget - is MLB doing the Wild Wild Card this year? I would like to see the O's get in. No playoffs since what, 1996? The Jeffrey Maier incident? That had some lean motherfarking years in the late 90s, and then just sucked in the 2000s, then got mediocre.


AL Standings:

Yanks (63)
ChiSox (60)
Rangers (64)

WC/WWC:
O's (59), Tigers (60), A's and Angels (59)


NL Standings
Nats 67
Reds 66
Giants 60

WC/WWC:
Braves (63), Pirates (62), LA (59)
 
2012-08-08 12:53:28 PM  

rickythepenguin: No playoffs since what, 1996?



damn. 1997. that has to be one of the longest extant droughts in MLB.

(sorry, Pittsburgh)
 
2012-08-08 12:59:05 PM  

DrZiffle: ...and question number one is: will they let Strasburg pitch in the playoffs?


Between that and Harper'shiatting declining steadily since his first month, the two biggest reasons why most people even cared about the Nationals could be non-factors come stretch time.
 
2012-08-08 12:59:17 PM  

rickythepenguin: rickythepenguin: No playoffs since what, 1996?


damn. 1997. that has to be one of the longest extant droughts in MLB.

(sorry, Pittsburgh)


1985 KC. Won't change till Glass dies
 
2012-08-08 01:00:37 PM  
I think you knew what I meant, but if Harper is also experiencing decreasing bowel movements, that could be another problem.
 
2012-08-08 01:07:46 PM  

Killer Cars: DrZiffle: ...and question number one is: will they let Strasburg pitch in the playoffs?

Between that and Harper'shiatting declining steadily since his first month, the two biggest reasons why most people even cared about the Nationals could be non-factors come stretch time.


Even if they get in I could easily see them getting swept out in the first round, their pitching does not look that good.
 
2012-08-08 01:16:54 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: 1985 KC. Won't change till Glass dies



gaaaaaaah! how could I forget?

the holy trinity of MLB ineptitude has to be KC, Boddimore, and Pitts.

Just doing a quick run-thru of everybody.....Padres were in the 1999 Seires, had a few playoff apps......Mariners (and As) were good in the early 2000s.....Reds were ok.....Hmmm.

Houston hasn't done much in awhile but I think they had an appearance or two in the mid 2000s. the ExpoNats were dormant for awhile......Indians had a run not terribly long ago. Cubs got swept in 2007 I think....brewers were in 1-2 years ago.

yeah. those three have to be the longest suffering MLB teams in terms of recent playoff success.
 
2012-08-08 01:18:48 PM  

rickythepenguin: rickythepenguin: No playoffs since what, 1996?


damn. 1997. that has to be one of the longest extant droughts in MLB.

(sorry, Pittsburgh)


Pittsburgh's isn't just playoffs - it's no winning seasons since 1992.

/20 wins left to break that with the power of ZOLTAN
//seriously past the point of even caring about the playoffs at this point. Don't get me wrong - it'd be fantastic. But I'm rooting for 82.
 
2012-08-08 01:23:16 PM  

DrZiffle: ...and question number one is: will they let Strasburg pitch in the playoffs?


If they are smart, then not a chance. Not because of his age necessarily, but this is his first full season post-Tommy John surgery. Don't blow out the poor guy's elbow AGAIN.
 
2012-08-08 01:42:37 PM  

steamingpile: Even if they get in I could easily see them getting swept out in the first round, their pitching does not look that good.


Wait, did you just say the *Nationals* Pitching doesn't look that good?

Really?
 
2012-08-08 01:42:43 PM  
 
2012-08-08 01:51:15 PM  
Was confused a second. Seeing a jacka@$ in red made me think he was a Cards fan.
 
2012-08-08 02:02:40 PM  

rickythepenguin: Mid_mo_mad_man: 1985 KC. Won't change till Glass dies


gaaaaaaah! how could I forget?

the holy trinity of MLB ineptitude has to be KC, Boddimore, and Pitts.

Just doing a quick run-thru of everybody.....Padres were in the 1999 Seires, had a few playoff apps......Mariners (and As) were good in the early 2000s.....Reds were ok.....Hmmm.

Houston hasn't done much in awhile but I think they had an appearance or two in the mid 2000s. the ExpoNats were dormant for awhile......Indians had a run not terribly long ago. Cubs got swept in 2007 I think....brewers were in 1-2 years ago.

yeah. those three have to be the longest suffering MLB teams in terms of recent playoff success.


Bluejays.
 
2012-08-08 02:04:53 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: DrZiffle: ...and question number one is: will they let Strasburg pitch in the playoffs?

If they are smart, then not a chance. Not because of his age necessarily, but this is his first full season post-Tommy John surgery. Don't blow out the poor guy's elbow AGAIN.


But their pitching staff is so thin...
 
2012-08-08 02:07:24 PM  

RsquaredW: RumsfeldsReplacement: DrZiffle: ...and question number one is: will they let Strasburg pitch in the playoffs?

If they are smart, then not a chance. Not because of his age necessarily, but this is his first full season post-Tommy John surgery. Don't blow out the poor guy's elbow AGAIN.

But their pitching staff is so thin...


Yeah and with Harper'shiatting decline they'll be forced to rely on losers like LaRoche.
 
2012-08-08 02:11:46 PM  

The Homer Tax: steamingpile: Even if they get in I could easily see them getting swept out in the first round, their pitching does not look that good.

Wait, did you just say the *Nationals* Pitching doesn't look that good?

Really?


That's what he said. He must be smoking some serious wacky weed or something.

Either that or he just has no clue.

Or both.
 
2012-08-08 02:26:21 PM  

steamingpile: Even if they get in I could easily see them getting swept out in the first round, their pitching does not look that good.


You mean their "pitchers" don't look that good in the sense you don't find them physically attractive? None of their starting pitchers are even close to approaching a 4.00 ERA.
 
2012-08-08 02:33:13 PM  
Killer Cars SmartestFunniest 2012-08-08 12:59:05 PM

DrZiffle: ...and question number one is: will they let Strasburg pitch in the playoffs?

Between that and Harper'shiatting declining steadily since his first month, the two biggest reasons why most people even cared about the Nationals could be non-factors come stretch time.

steamingpile
Even if they get in I could easily see them getting swept out in the first round, their pitching does not look that good.


WRONG.

Check out the stats of their starting rotation. Stras has been leading MLB in strike outs most of the year, currentlly #2; Gio has one of the best Win/Loss records. J. Zimmermann is currently has 2nd Best ERA in the NL /3rd best in all MLB (4 of 5 starters have top 25 ERAs, . Detweiller has been completely dominant his past few starts. E. Jackson would be in anyone's rotation. All 5 Washington starters have a top 25 WHIP. 4 of the 5 have top 25 Opposing Batting Avgs..

Best overall staff in MLB. Stras, Gio and Zimmerman have all also been NL Pitchers of the Month THIS SEASON

Yes Harper has been slumping at the plate lately (he was NL Rookie of the Month in May) but they've been dealt with some injuries that they are coming back from (Werth). Desmond is still on the DL . LaRoche is a machine. Morse has a career high hit streak going on... Utility infielders Espinosa and Lombardozzi have more than held their own at the plate. Offensively they've been a little streaky.... but the old addage in baseball is...

Good pitching beats good heating every time.
 
2012-08-08 02:33:44 PM  

rickythepenguin: rickythepenguin: No playoffs since what, 1996?


damn. 1997. that has to be one of the longest extant droughts in MLB.

(sorry, Pittsburgh)


I've been an O's fan for as long as I can remember, and this year seems to be much different. Seasons past, half the team would play like MVP candidates for the first 50 games, going 35-15, then shiat the bed.

Other than Adam Jones, all of the position players have been having "average" to below average seasons.

The bullpen, OTOH, has been outstanding all year. Starting pitching has been spotty at best, and the defense is terrible.

I am chalking up this year to one thing

ORIOLES MAGIC

 
2012-08-08 02:34:54 PM  
The Montreal Expos are the best team in baseball? Hell has frozen over.
 
2012-08-08 02:35:56 PM  
Nonsensical crap because his Atlanta-based team plays in the same division? Yep!
 
2012-08-08 02:37:04 PM  

ManOfTeal: The Montreal Expos are the best team in baseball? Hell has frozen over.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-08-08 02:37:09 PM  

upndn: That's what he said. He must be smoking some serious wacky weed or something.

Either that or he just has no clue.

Or both.


I clicked on his profile, so I'll go with "both" with a side of "Braves Fan."
 
2012-08-08 02:39:07 PM  
heating?? wtf... hitting..
 
2012-08-08 02:40:26 PM  

farkingismybusiness: Yeah and with Harper'shiatting decline they'll be forced to rely on losers like LaRoche.


With Harper "slumping" it looks like the Nats are going to have to find a way to manage with just LaRoche, Morse, Zimmerman, and Werth (coming back from injury).

Darn the luck! *kicks dirt*
 
2012-08-08 02:42:00 PM  

The Homer Tax: upndn: That's what he said. He must be smoking some serious wacky weed or something.

Either that or he just has no clue.

Or both.

I clicked on his profile, so I'll go with "both" with a side of "Braves Fan."


Blind optimism is a very dominant trait of the typical Braves fan.

Also, smug arrogance.
 
2012-08-08 02:44:54 PM  
And yet they still will struggle to sell out their home games, without a last place team like the Phils coming to town.
 
2012-08-08 02:46:47 PM  
Well if it is a O's vs Nats world series 2012 will be the end of the world.
 
2012-08-08 02:47:53 PM  

rickythepenguin: I forget - is MLB doing the Wild Wild Card this year? I would like to see the O's get in. No playoffs since what, 1996? The Jeffrey Maier incident? That had some lean motherfarking years in the late 90s, and then just sucked in the 2000s, then got mediocre.


AL Standings:

Yanks (63)
ChiSox (60)
Rangers (64)

WC/WWC:
O's (59), Tigers (60), A's and Angels (59)


NL Standings
Nats 67
Reds 66
Giants 60

WC/WWC:
Braves (63), Pirates (62), LA (59)


Cards are making some noise in the NL wild card. They've won something like 12 of the last 16 but haven't made up any ground in the central because Cincy and Pitt have been so hot. They're also supposed to be getting Garcia back shortly and the bullpen has settled down (although it still isn't great).

JohnnyCanuck: rickythepenguin: Mid_mo_mad_man: 1985 KC. Won't change till Glass dies


gaaaaaaah! how could I forget?

the holy trinity of MLB ineptitude has to be KC, Boddimore, and Pitts.

Just doing a quick run-thru of everybody.....Padres were in the 1999 Seires, had a few playoff apps......Mariners (and As) were good in the early 2000s.....Reds were ok.....Hmmm.

Houston hasn't done much in awhile but I think they had an appearance or two in the mid 2000s. the ExpoNats were dormant for awhile......Indians had a run not terribly long ago. Cubs got swept in 2007 I think....brewers were in 1-2 years ago.

yeah. those three have to be the longest suffering MLB teams in terms of recent playoff success.

Bluejays.


Padres won the West at least two or three times around 2004-2010, but never made it out of the first round, IIRC. I know the Cards swept them out at least twice. Houston won a pennant in 2005 and got swept in the WS. The Brewers won the Central last year and got beat in the NLCS by the Cards. The Reds won the Central in 2010. The Cubbies made it out of the first round in 2003 before losing to the Marlins (Bartman) but also made it into the playoffs in 2007 and 2008, getting swept both times.

Montreal/Washington is probably the longest suffering team - they last made the playoffs in 1981, according to what I can find. The Pirates at least had those good late 80s teams before Bonds left and Toronto won the 1993 World Series. Kansas City has really been crap since Kaufman died, but 1985 is still later than 1981.
 
2012-08-08 02:52:59 PM  
farkingismybusiness: Yeah and with Harper'shiatting decline they'll be forced to rely on losers like LaRoche.

ummm ill take 9 loser's like LaRoche all day long... awesome defensive 1st baseman and he's killing the ball at the plate...
 
2012-08-08 02:53:50 PM  

flynn80: And yet they still will struggle to sell out their home games, without a last place team like the Phils coming to town.


This is the first time that the team has been good to any appreciable degree in its 8-year lifespan. Fan Bases are built, they don't just happen.

Park attendance for most sports team is a lagging indicator, indicative of last years performance more than this year's performance. The Nats rank 15th in average attendance and 14th in attendance percentage in the major league, ahead of many teams with a much longer history as a club and much more recent success.

As long as the club continues to do its part, the fans will as well.
 
2012-08-08 02:54:44 PM  
flynn80

And yet they still will struggle to sell out their home games, without a last place team like the Phils coming to town
.

Selling out... sure.. but how many teams sell out all their home games?? now that they are competitive, their attendance is up 28% over last year... 2nd best increase in MLB.
 
2012-08-08 03:01:16 PM  
DrZiffle

...and question number one is: will they let Strasburg pitch in the playoffs?


unfortunately, no... (gd it)... GM Rizzo has been unwavering all year on that fact. He recently said on local radio, those speculating about when/if "just don't know what the hell they are talking about".
 
2012-08-08 03:01:39 PM  

Bking1168: ummm ill take 9 loser's like LaRoche all day long... awesome defensive 1st baseman and he's killing the ball at the plate...


[thatsthejoke.jpg]
 
2012-08-08 03:04:37 PM  

The Homer Tax: steamingpile: Even if they get in I could easily see them getting swept out in the first round, their pitching does not look that good.

Wait, did you just say the *Nationals* Pitching doesn't look that good?

Really?


Not that strong is a better term, most of the staff is either young or stocked with pitchers who usually have a 4+ era for the year. They have gotten timely pitching when they have needed it but there is a difference between what they are getting and a strong staff.
 
2012-08-08 03:04:40 PM  

steamingpile: Killer Cars: DrZiffle: ...and question number one is: will they let Strasburg pitch in the playoffs?

Between that and Harper'shiatting declining steadily since his first month, the two biggest reasons why most people even cared about the Nationals could be non-factors come stretch time.

Even if they get in I could easily see them getting swept out in the first round, their pitching does not look that good.


How do you even operate a computer? Their pitching is their selling point.
 
2012-08-08 03:05:50 PM  
touche..
 
2012-08-08 03:05:51 PM  

Bking1168: Selling out... sure.. but how many teams sell out all their home games?


Just the Phillies, Red Sox, and maybe the Giants

I'm pretty sure that I just saw the other day that Philly had its first non-sell out.
 
2012-08-08 03:06:52 PM  

steamingpile: Not that strong is a better term, most of the staff is either young or stocked with pitchers who usually have a 4+ era for the year. They have gotten timely pitching when they have needed it but there is a difference between what they are getting and a strong staff.


Every actual metric used to evaluate pitchers disagrees with you.
 
2012-08-08 03:07:58 PM  
The Homer Tax.

so thats 4, maybe 5, of 28 teams that routinely sell out


/hope you aren't trolling me again.... cuz i bit... doh!
 
2012-08-08 03:10:32 PM  

steamingpile: Killer Cars: DrZiffle: ...and question number one is: will they let Strasburg pitch in the playoffs?

Between that and Harper'shiatting declining steadily since his first month, the two biggest reasons why most people even cared about the Nationals could be non-factors come stretch time.

Even if they get in I could easily see them getting swept out in the first round, their pitching does not look that good.


What the hell is your standard for pitching that:

Strasburg (12-5): 2.97 ERA, 160K, 1.131 WHIP, 2.7 WAR
Gonzalez (13-6): 3.34 ERA, 147K, 1.136 WHIP, 2.3 WAR
Zimmerman (8-6): 2.45 ERA, 99K, 1.084 WHIP, 4.0 WAR
Detwiler (6-4): 2.99 ERA, 72K, 1.177 WHIP, 2.1 WAR
Jackson (6-7): 3.56 ERA, 104K, 1.180 WHIP, 2.1 WAR

counts as 'not looking that good?' That's a pretty damned solid rotation.
 
2012-08-08 03:12:03 PM  

Bking1168: Killer Cars SmartestFunniest 2012-08-08 12:59:05 PM

DrZiffle: ...and question number one is: will they let Strasburg pitch in the playoffs?

Between that and Harper'shiatting declining steadily since his first month, the two biggest reasons why most people even cared about the Nationals could be non-factors come stretch time.

steamingpile
Even if they get in I could easily see them getting swept out in the first round, their pitching does not look that good.

WRONG.

Check out the stats of their starting rotation. Stras has been leading MLB in strike outs most of the year, currentlly #2; Gio has one of the best Win/Loss records. J. Zimmermann is currently has 2nd Best ERA in the NL /3rd best in all MLB (4 of 5 starters have top 25 ERAs, . Detweiller has been completely dominant his past few starts. E. Jackson would be in anyone's rotation. All 5 Washington starters have a top 25 WHIP. 4 of the 5 have top 25 Opposing Batting Avgs..

Best overall staff in MLB. Stras, Gio and Zimmerman have all also been NL Pitchers of the Month THIS SEASON

Yes Harper has been slumping at the plate lately (he was NL Rookie of the Month in May) but they've been dealt with some injuries that they are coming back from (Werth). Desmond is still on the DL . LaRoche is a machine. Morse has a career high hit streak going on... Utility infielders Espinosa and Lombardozzi have more than held their own at the plate. Offensively they've been a little streaky.... but the old addage in baseball is...

Good pitching beats good heating every time.


That's why the braves won all those WS in the 90s with 3 HOF starting pitchers, right?

Pitchers playing over their head does not make them strong, I can see them getting bounced in the first round. And I'm just waiting for laroche to revert back to the double play machine like we came to know and love in Atlanta. Solo HRs never help much but he acted like he should have been paid millions after that.
 
2012-08-08 03:18:04 PM  

steamingpile: Not that strong is a better term, most of the staff is either young or stocked with pitchers who usually have a 4+ era for the year. They have gotten timely pitching when they have needed it but there is a difference between what they are getting and a strong staff.


ERA+ over the past 2.67 seasons:

Strasburg: 139, 259, 134
Gonzalez: 127, 127, 119
Zimmermann: 83, 120, 162
Detwiler: 96, 128, 133
Jackson: 95, 108, 112
 
2012-08-08 03:18:42 PM  

The Homer Tax: steamingpile: Not that strong is a better term, most of the staff is either young or stocked with pitchers who usually have a 4+ era for the year. They have gotten timely pitching when they have needed it but there is a difference between what they are getting and a strong staff.

Every actual metric used to evaluate pitchers disagrees with you.


This year, I am saying everything disagrees over their career they should be having a year like this, one or two good seasons does not him a great pitcher. Just ask Steve Avery.
 
2012-08-08 03:18:52 PM  

steamingpile: Bking1168: Killer Cars SmartestFunniest 2012-08-08 12:59:05 PM

DrZiffle: ...and question number one is: will they let Strasburg pitch in the playoffs?

Between that and Harper'shiatting declining steadily since his first month, the two biggest reasons why most people even cared about the Nationals could be non-factors come stretch time.

steamingpile
Even if they get in I could easily see them getting swept out in the first round, their pitching does not look that good.

WRONG.

Check out the stats of their starting rotation. Stras has been leading MLB in strike outs most of the year, currentlly #2; Gio has one of the best Win/Loss records. J. Zimmermann is currently has 2nd Best ERA in the NL /3rd best in all MLB (4 of 5 starters have top 25 ERAs, . Detweiller has been completely dominant his past few starts. E. Jackson would be in anyone's rotation. All 5 Washington starters have a top 25 WHIP. 4 of the 5 have top 25 Opposing Batting Avgs..

Best overall staff in MLB. Stras, Gio and Zimmerman have all also been NL Pitchers of the Month THIS SEASON

Yes Harper has been slumping at the plate lately (he was NL Rookie of the Month in May) but they've been dealt with some injuries that they are coming back from (Werth). Desmond is still on the DL . LaRoche is a machine. Morse has a career high hit streak going on... Utility infielders Espinosa and Lombardozzi have more than held their own at the plate. Offensively they've been a little streaky.... but the old addage in baseball is...

Good pitching beats good heating every time.

That's why the braves won all those WS in the 90s with 3 HOF starting pitchers, right?

Pitchers playing over their head does not make them strong, I can see them getting bounced in the first round. And I'm just waiting for laroche to revert back to the double play machine like we came to know and love in Atlanta. Solo HRs never help much but he acted like he should have been paid millions after that.


Laroche is having a career year, but he never ground into that many DPs. Only once was he in the top 10. He also was paid millions after leaving Atlanta. $2M is not a lot for a MLB player.

The Braves under performed expectations in the playoffs, but now your argument has changed. Before you said the nats pitching wasn't very good, now you are saying pitching doesn't matter. Just admit you were wrong. You will feel better.
 
2012-08-08 03:20:36 PM  
Not to mention Strasburg is helping his own cause, currently batting .343, currently 12/41...

consider this - if he kept this up til he's benched, he'd finish #4 all time single season batting for pitchers in the DH era (1973, min 50 plate appearances)..
 
2012-08-08 03:23:05 PM  
Rangers / Nationals World Series. I'd like to see that happen.

For nostalgia's sake.
 
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