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(Reason Magazine)   Man complains about treatment after getting caught with a single Oxycontin pill. Hey buddy, it's not like they sentenced you to a three-hour radio show every day   (reason.com) divider line 98
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2012-08-08 09:04:58 AM
Clearly the world is safer now that this dangerous criminal has been punished.
 
2012-08-08 09:09:56 AM
It is time to do what America did with Prohibition, pull a jury nullification on every single stupid drug case.

Just end this insanity.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-08-08 09:15:28 AM
But Florida doesn't weight the amount of LSD crystal, or the active ingredient in any illicit drug. Instead, they weigh whatever the drug is on or in

That's not a Florida thing. Federal drug law also contains some rules based on weight of mixture rather than weight of illegal ingredient.

"I can present my lack of knowledge as an affirmative defense, but the jury instructions permit a jury to presume the defendant had knowledge of the illegal substance based solely on the possession."

We had a story last year(?) on a legal challenge to that law. Any updates?
 
2012-08-08 09:16:51 AM

mr_bunny: It is time to do what America did with Prohibition, pull a jury nullification on every single stupid drug case.

Just end this insanity.


Didn't that recently happen with an old guy in a personal-use weed case? When it came time to read the verdict, the jury had said the guy was not guilty even though all the evidence was unquestionable.
 
2012-08-08 09:18:36 AM
Mandatory Minimums -Thanks Reagan.
 
2012-08-08 09:19:59 AM

Vodka Zombie: mr_bunny: It is time to do what America did with Prohibition, pull a jury nullification on every single stupid drug case.

Just end this insanity.

Didn't that recently happen with an old guy in a personal-use weed case? When it came time to read the verdict, the jury had said the guy was not guilty even though all the evidence was unquestionable.


Yep.

Here in Texas, the State AG actually tried to make nullification a crime.

That went....poorly.
 
2012-08-08 09:21:12 AM
Ya know subby when resubmitting links it helps to read the article. Your headline goes with this url: Link

Your link is an equally bad story of the drug war but needs a different headline.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-08-08 09:32:33 AM
Answer to my question here: http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202564284032&Showdow n _in_Florida_Does_the_Constitution_require_mens_rea_for_a_drug_felony&s lreturn=20120708092805.

The Florida Supreme Court upheld the rule that says you have to prove you didn't know about the drugs, e.g. the hypothetical milligram of coke mixed into your liter of Coke. A federal District Court judge said otherwise. The U.S. Supreme Court may have to settle the disagreement. Elements and intent and such is an ugly area of law full of artificial rules. I hope the U.S. Supreme Court announces a general rule requiring proof of at least a negligent mental state for a criminal conviction, but I think we'll get something limited in scope to the particular case it decides.
 
2012-08-08 09:41:46 AM
Either way, if we can just build a few more walls and fences, a few more private prisons and get unarmed FLIR equipped drones peering into each and every home in America we can finally and totally win this wretched war in another 50 or so years.
 
2012-08-08 10:42:02 AM

ZAZ: But Florida doesn't weight the amount of LSD crystal, or the active ingredient in any illicit drug. Instead, they weigh whatever the drug is on or in

That's not a Florida thing. Federal drug law also contains some rules based on weight of mixture rather than weight of illegal ingredient.


The Supreme Court ruled on that in Chapman v. United States, 500 U.S. 453 (1991), when they held that because the statute criminalized possession of a "mixture or substance containing a detectable amount [of the drug]", blotter paper should be weighed as well.
 
2012-08-08 11:21:13 AM
Did you ever vote for someone because they were tough on crime? Then you did it to yourself.
 
2012-08-08 11:36:47 AM
Kind of on topic, but I really don't understand the whole appeal to oxycontin. It was prescribed to me once after I had some bone grafting surgery and good gods! I felt like I had fire-ants crawling and biting me just under my skin, yelled at my boyfriend at the time for no freaking reason (poor thing was so awesome, he had to physically carry me everywhere in the apartment for a few weeks), and ended up in the fetal-position on the bathroom floor while simultaneously trying to scratch my skin off. I know everyone reacts differently to different chemicals, but damn!
 
2012-08-08 12:25:07 PM
Yesterday we told you about a Florida stock broker and grad student who practically had his life ruined after being caught with a single Oxycontin pill...

That story caught the attention of another Florida man who had his life turned upside down by Florida's insane drug laws. He emailed us the following: "What does it say about the college co-ed [Sandra] Fluke who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex -- what does that make her? It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex."
 
2012-08-08 01:00:15 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Kind of on topic, but I really don't understand the whole appeal to oxycontin. It was prescribed to me once after I had some bone grafting surgery and good gods! I felt like I had fire-ants crawling and biting me just under my skin, yelled at my boyfriend at the time for no freaking reason (poor thing was so awesome, he had to physically carry me everywhere in the apartment for a few weeks), and ended up in the fetal-position on the bathroom floor while simultaneously trying to scratch my skin off. I know everyone reacts differently to different chemicals, but damn!


Hey look, you really do understand the appeal!
 
2012-08-08 01:05:13 PM
Next thing you know they'll be forcing him to fly to the Dominican Republic for some fun time on the beaches.
 
2012-08-08 01:06:24 PM
Hey subby, if I can get sentenced to being Rush Limbaugh and having Rush Limbaugh money, then let's see that pill.

/it's only a little cocaine
//it's only a little LSD
///it's only a little heroin
////you want to decriminalize, expect mandatory rehab, your "entertainment" is a problem
 
2012-08-08 01:09:48 PM
Best justice system money can buy.
 
2012-08-08 01:12:42 PM

GAT_00: Did you ever vote for someone because they were tough on crime? Then you did it to yourself.


A conservative is a liberal who's been assaulted and robbed.
A liberal is a conservative who's been laid off.
 
2012-08-08 01:14:13 PM
Look, drug laws are stupid. But nobody has just one oxycotin. Which, by the way, I'm all for criminalizing if we can do so retroactively to get Rush the chair retroactively. YYZ!
 
2012-08-08 01:14:52 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Mandatory Minimums -Thanks Reagan.


Blessings be upon him


7:^]
 
2012-08-08 01:18:22 PM
He cliams he had never even taken it before, yet he had it floatinga round in his pocket and got a dui. Was it a large dose? If an 80mg dose fell out of his pocket and a little kid or even an adult ate it, the they could easily drop dead.

Not saying he deserved to lose his career over it, but larger doses are can be deadly and you really shouldn't be casually cruising around with lethal chems in your friggn pocket - especially if you haven't been signed off on the importance of keeping tight control of the doses.

Not enough info in the article, but the guy sounds like a bit of an arse.
 
2012-08-08 01:18:54 PM

you are a puppet: CapeFearCadaver: Kind of on topic, but I really don't understand the whole appeal to oxycontin. It was prescribed to me once after I had some bone grafting surgery and good gods! I felt like I had fire-ants crawling and biting me just under my skin, yelled at my boyfriend at the time for no freaking reason (poor thing was so awesome, he had to physically carry me everywhere in the apartment for a few weeks), and ended up in the fetal-position on the bathroom floor while simultaneously trying to scratch my skin off. I know everyone reacts differently to different chemicals, but damn!

Hey look, you really do understand the appeal!


Actually, no. I do not understand the appeal. All I know is what they did to me, hence my statement that I really don't understand the whole appeal to oxycontin.
 
2012-08-08 01:19:31 PM
The War on Drugs!TM
Making criminals one citizen at a time
Support your local prison
It may be home one day!
 
2012-08-08 01:19:39 PM
HR just laughed at me when I took my possession ticket to them...
 
2012-08-08 01:21:12 PM

EdNortonsTwin: He cliams he had never even taken it before, yet he had it floatinga round in his pocket and got a dui.


Just about everybody who gets caught with drugs makes that claim, unless they know the cops who caught them.
 
2012-08-08 01:21:26 PM

CapeFearCadaver: you are a puppet: CapeFearCadaver: Kind of on topic, but I really don't understand the whole appeal to oxycontin. It was prescribed to me once after I had some bone grafting surgery and good gods! I felt like I had fire-ants crawling and biting me just under my skin, yelled at my boyfriend at the time for no freaking reason (poor thing was so awesome, he had to physically carry me everywhere in the apartment for a few weeks), and ended up in the fetal-position on the bathroom floor while simultaneously trying to scratch my skin off. I know everyone reacts differently to different chemicals, but damn!

Hey look, you really do understand the appeal!

Actually, no. I do not understand the appeal. All I know is what they did to me, hence my statement that I really don't understand the whole appeal to oxycontin.


It feels REALLY good to other people... I don't get the same severe effects you do, but I do get a lot of itching anytime I use any sort of pain killer... so I actually just use them for pain. I don't think I could ever get addicted to them because of the itching... I'd lose all my skin...
 
2012-08-08 01:21:59 PM
and found a small quantity of LSD. [roughly 25 doses.]

Oh, that's all?



Just another biatch session by people who can't take responsibility for their dumb decisions.
(Don't have the crap and they won't bust you for it. Simple.)


"OMG! What would I do without my Pot/LSD/Oxy.... I couldn't function!" Very sad.....
 
2012-08-08 01:23:38 PM

tukatz: and found a small quantity of LSD. [roughly 25 doses.]

Oh, that's all?



Just another biatch session by people who can't take responsibility for their dumb decisions.
(Don't have the crap and they won't bust you for it. Simple.)


"OMG! What would I do without my Pot/LSD/Oxy.... I couldn't function!" Very sad.....


The point. I think you missed it.
 
2012-08-08 01:25:11 PM
Kratom/LSA is legal why NOT use that
 
2012-08-08 01:25:47 PM

Speaker2Animals:
A conservative is a liberal who's been assaulted and robbed.
A liberal is a conservative who's been laid off.



That's a favoritin' right there. That's what that is,
 
2012-08-08 01:26:40 PM
Guess you need to stay away from illegal drugs and those who do them.
I know, I know, that's just too much to ask.

I don't think the answer is over prosecution or jail for addicts, but you all precipitated the enactment of these laws by electing those who write them.
So, un-elect them. And in the mean time, don't be an idiot and tempt fate.

In Az, 1st offense DUI gets you a suspension, auto interlock, big attorney bill, etc...

Guess what? I don't drink and drive.
 
2012-08-08 01:27:22 PM

tukatz: and found a small quantity of LSD. [roughly 25 doses.]

Oh, that's all?



Just another biatch session by people who can't take responsibility for their dumb decisions.
(Don't have the crap and they won't bust you for it. Simple.)


"OMG! What would I do without my Pot/LSD/Oxy.... I couldn't function!" Very sad.....


That's right. live the way I THINK YOU SHOULD LIVE, CRETIN!!

/acid is harmless. especially blotter.
 
2012-08-08 01:37:20 PM
Hmmm. Got a bottle of 29 in my med cabinet right now (took one for a wisdom tooth extraction)

Can't see the appeal. All they do is constipate the hell out of me.
 
2012-08-08 01:37:36 PM

stonicus: It feels REALLY good to other people... I don't get the same severe effects you do, but I do get a lot of itching anytime I use any sort of pain killer... so I actually just use them for pain. I don't think I could ever get addicted to them because of the itching... I'd lose all my skin...


Really good as in the wave (that I'll get sometimes) with higher doses hydrocodone? I'm wondering if it's more than that... you hear an awful lot about the epidemic of oxycontin usage, and not quite as much for usage of other pain pills. I currently take Tylenol-3 on occasion for the ramifications from the bone disease and it has never made me feel even the slightest loopy... just helps make the pain more bearable. Now, when I had my wisdom teeth pulled earlier this year, the hydrocodone was... nice.

/just curious
 
2012-08-08 01:40:31 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Kind of on topic, but I really don't understand the whole appeal to oxycontin. It was prescribed to me once after I had some bone grafting surgery and good gods! I felt like I had fire-ants crawling and biting me just under my skin, yelled at my boyfriend at the time for no freaking reason (poor thing was so awesome, he had to physically carry me everywhere in the apartment for a few weeks), and ended up in the fetal-position on the bathroom floor while simultaneously trying to scratch my skin off. I know everyone reacts differently to different chemicals, but damn!


Pretty clear you had an allergic reaction to it and thus the itching. You should have stopped taking it and popped a benadryl. That is not the high other people feel.
 
2012-08-08 01:41:57 PM

CujoQuarrel: Hmmm. Got a bottle of 29 in my med cabinet right now (took one for a wisdom tooth extraction)

Can't see the appeal. All they do is constipate the hell out of me.


take more than 1 (like 13) and then eat some bran
 
2012-08-08 01:44:52 PM

muldoon: You should have stopped taking it and popped a two benadryl.


That's exactly what I did. I only took the one dose. The next morning I was in a shiatton of pain though. I vaguely remember hearing the bf at the time yelling at someone on the phone that I needed a script made available of anything but oxycontin immediately.
 
2012-08-08 01:47:47 PM
Anyone else point out that Subby linked to the wrong article? I was expecting to read about a dude busted with one pill, and ended up reading about a dude with 25 hits of acid. One is not like the other.
 
2012-08-08 01:48:06 PM
The War On Drugs makes me afraid to ask my doctor for pain pills, even though my lower back is farked up and I get more depressed and shiatty to people because I'm in pain. She gives it to me when I ask, but every time I ask, I'm more afraid she'll label me as a drug seeker.

I'm even more afraid she'll cut me off, and then I'll "have to learn to live with it." Me no likey pain.
 
2012-08-08 01:48:10 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Kind of on topic, but I really don't understand the whole appeal to oxycontin. It was prescribed to me once after I had some bone grafting surgery and good gods! I felt like I had fire-ants crawling and biting me just under my skin, yelled at my boyfriend at the time for no freaking reason (poor thing was so awesome, he had to physically carry me everywhere in the apartment for a few weeks), and ended up in the fetal-position on the bathroom floor while simultaneously trying to scratch my skin off. I know everyone reacts differently to different chemicals, but damn!


I'm with you, actually, with any pain pill. They all do the same thing to me: make me itchy and puts me in an EXTREMELY foul mood.

I deal with the pain now and, very rarely, I'll take a few ibuprofen.

Plus the other medicine helps, too...(don't want to turn it into THAT thread, though.)
 
2012-08-08 01:54:33 PM
I was pulled over for having a dimly lit tag and asked to consent to a search before the officers even ran my license. When I refused consent, they kept me on the side of the road in the middle of the night and questioned me for over an hour before finally arresting me for a DUI after I refused to consent to a roadside urine test. They then took an "inventory" of my car and found a small quantity of LSD

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The law, stop breaking it asshole.
 
2012-08-08 01:57:01 PM

Cowkitchen2: The War On Drugs makes me afraid to ask my doctor for pain pills, even though my lower back is farked up and I get more depressed and shiatty to people because I'm in pain. She gives it to me when I ask, but every time I ask, I'm more afraid she'll label me as a drug seeker.

I'm even more afraid she'll cut me off, and then I'll "have to learn to live with it." Me no likey pain.


take some kratom. then try eating oatmeal and body building, followed (and optionally preceding) by whey
 
2012-08-08 01:59:55 PM
Let me add a big sarcastic BOO HOO to all the poor drug users who've had their lives ruined by the man. These people only care when their own lives are ruined. They could care less about the other lives they've ruined in the progression of crime sprees caused by their dealers, fellow addicts and other lowlife along the chain of custody getting their drug of choice to them.
 
2012-08-08 02:01:21 PM
When you talk to your kids about drugs, these are the kinds of stories you have to bring up.

Kids don't understand "pot's going to make you a burnt out stoner." Mainly because they'll look at you, mildly successful and attractive person that you are, and think "you did it and you're still ok." They never see all your burnout stoner friends who are still stumbling through life 30 years after high school.

On the other hand, seeing what happens to someone for even an incredibly mild infraction might give them pause. You can't argue with kids over whether or not "drugs are bad." You have to rub their noses in the fact that "it doesn't matter whether or not drugs are bad- if you get caught with them, you're screwed FOR LIFE."

Another thing to emphasize is that the drug laws today's kids face are not the same as they were when their parents were taking bong hits. They have mandatory sentencing. They carry hefty fees and require you to fork out massive amounts of cash for "rehabilitation." And worse, the proliferation of public-record search firms means that even an expunged conviction or plea stays around FOREVER.

There are tons of stupid laws that you can ignore w/o jeopardizing your future. Drug laws are not in that set.
 
2012-08-08 02:04:07 PM
Huh. I was sick for weeks--- wanted an antibiotic. Dr says they are abused and writes a script for a liter of cough syrup with ethyl morphine.


....left me wondering what would have happened if I begged for the syrup.
 
2012-08-08 02:06:36 PM
I don't consider 15 tabs of LSD "personal use".
 
2012-08-08 02:10:26 PM

mosten: I don't consider 15 tabs of LSD "personal use".


www.laughstub.com
I consider 15 tabs of LSD being almost out of LSD.
 
2012-08-08 02:14:15 PM

Ker_Thwap: Let me add a big sarcastic BOO HOO to all the poor drug users who've had their lives ruined by the man. These people only care when their own lives are ruined. They could care less about the other lives they've ruined in the progression of crime sprees caused by their dealers, fellow addicts and other lowlife along the chain of custody getting their drug of choice to them.


Do you take responsibility for the countries and people ruined to put gas in your car ? How about the death being rained down upon the world by our government ? Whats that, no you don't give a crap about the lives you have ruined by your fellow countrymen in order to provide higher profits, and cheaper goods for you to consume.

Ya get off your high horse. You are no better than anyone.
 
2012-08-08 02:17:32 PM
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2012-08-08 02:14:15 PM

Ker_Thwap: Let me add a big sarcastic BOO HOO to all the poor drug users who've had their lives ruined by the man. These people only care when their own lives are ruined. They could care less about the other lives they've ruined in the progression of crime sprees caused by their dealers, fellow addicts and other lowlife along the chain of custody getting their drug of choice to them.

Do you take responsibility for the countries and people ruined to put gas in your car ? How about the death being rained down upon the world by our government ? Whats that, no you don't give a crap about the lives you have ruined by your fellow countrymen in order to provide higher profits, and cheaper goods for you to consume.

Ya get off your high horse. You are no better than anyone.



Nice, the high horse debate. Very clever.
 
2012-08-08 02:18:47 PM

mosten: I don't consider 15 tabs of LSD "personal use".


i did 6 once, and *REALLY* wished i had more.
 
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