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2012-08-08 12:34:17 PM

bartink: skullkrusher: ugh can't we just get this election over with already?

Lets start a petition to get Romney to just concede.


give him the silver medal and we can all move on
 
2012-08-08 12:34:46 PM

birchman: In the past the democrats have been known to be pretty tame with their ads, even the negative ones.


Sure. Excepting the whole Daisy ad and whatnot.

But that's my point. Last cycle and this one, the Democrats seem to have lost any real sense of limits. (The Republicans are still doing distortions and mistruths as well, no doubt).
 
2012-08-08 12:34:55 PM

Headso: When these ads come out you have the republican kool-aid drinkers who never do any farking research at all and who blindly repeat things like "death panels" digging up dirt on this lady from 50 years ago in the name of truth and You'll see the fark independents suddenly want accuracy and a civil tone in politicking after all their extremist rhetoric for decades has got them to where they are today. So fark all ya'll.


And shat, pointing out some bad consequences of people losing their jobs isn't even being dishonest. However, saying this ad was calling Romney a murderer is.

Truth hurts too much.
 
2012-08-08 12:35:11 PM

lennavan: tenpoundsofcheese: She died 22 days after first going to the hospital. That sounds severe.

There are cures for cancers this severe, depending on what the cause is.

tenpoundsofcheese: No political argument, just an interesting cancer discussion. I happen to find the topic quite interesting and close to my heart.

sorry to hear that it is a topic close to your heart. Hope it works out.

Thanks, though I'm not sure why you're sorry. If people like me weren't working on finding cures for cancer,

oh, I thought it was close to you because someone near you had cancer. Didn't realize you were in the med field working on it. In that case, good luck! .

 
2012-08-08 12:35:24 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Dinki: Nice to see the dolt deliberately misinterpret the commercial to create some GOP outrage. The commercial quite rightly shows the consequences of plant closing and the very real effects those closings have on average Americans. .

How? The family still had health insurance from the wife's job. What "real effect" are you referring to?


If this is true, then the ad is a lie. It is saying Romney's decision cost her health insurance when she still had it. But, firing people is still overall an action that does lead to people losing health insurance even if the action of firing the person is necessary for the business to survive.

That said, Bain has acted in its own interest as a corporation should. And it's CEO did as well. I'm hoping that Romney will continue to act in the best interests of his new "corporation", the United States when/if he becomes CEO of it. Just like he did when he was CEO of the Olympics and of Massachusetts.

But, I don't know if Cheese is correct in his assertion.
 
2012-08-08 12:35:30 PM
Sounds to me like both sides may be bad
 
2012-08-08 12:35:47 PM
Or maybe this shiatty husband could have taken his wife to the hospital before she had pneumonia (and they discovered the cancer too late) and six years after his plant was closed not by Romney, but by one of Obama's top campaign bundlers. Or perhaps she could have gone for a check-up while she still had health insurance from her job. But I guess the villain of this story is some guy who was no longer at the company when he lost his job, instead of the guy who made the decision (Obama's man), or the wife, or the guy who presumably slept next to her.

You can smell the desperation in the Obama campaign. They know that the white, blue collar vote is lost to them, so now it is about keeping those rust-belt workers away from the voting booth.
 
2012-08-08 12:35:52 PM

soy_bomb: Having universal health care will lead to the same number of deaths as not having universal health care. Thus the thrust of the ad is incorrect.

/zero
//The wife had health insurance after the husband was laid off and died 6 years later


Universal health care prevents early deaths. This is well known.
 
2012-08-08 12:36:10 PM
Of course this thread gets way more attention than the thread on Romney's latest outright lie about Obama.
 
2012-08-08 12:36:30 PM

skullkrusher: bartink: skullkrusher: ugh can't we just get this election over with already?

Lets start a petition to get Romney to just concede.

give him the silver medal and we can all move on


Exactly. How's your kid?
 
2012-08-08 12:37:19 PM
great ad

too bad all Romney has are lies and out of context quotes to use against Obama.

sorry GOP but you have nothing but a ton of money and lies to throw at this election

Obama has the truth and the real life consequences of your ideology to present.
 
2012-08-08 12:37:26 PM

Bontesla: Cat Food Sandwiches: EighthDay: shower_in_my_socks: tenpoundsofcheese:When the woman first went to the hospital she was diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer. What insurance would have saved her?


SHE PUT OFF GOING TO THE DOCTOR BECAUSE THEY HAD NO INSURANCE, YOU FARKING MORON. Hence, she was already Stage 4 by the time she was diagnosed.

I don't understand why people still argue with 10 pounds of Derp.

Is it simply so that his lies and spin don't go unchecked?

You will never win in an argument against him because facts are a liberal plot and libslibslibsSOSHULISM!

Clink on the CNN link above. When they call BS on Obama, it's BS.

Since when does CNN get anything right the first time? Not the point.

Not all insurance plans are the same - CNN acknowledged it was secondary form of insurance and her husband's was the first form of insurance. The husband also said they couldn't afford the insurance and so his wife never went.


oh look, another person who doesn't know what "first form of insurance" even means and what happens when you lose that insurance.
 
2012-08-08 12:37:32 PM

soy_bomb: bartink: This is one of those things where the thrust of the ad is correct, that not having some kind of universal health care will lead to more deaths.

Having universal health care will lead to the same number of deaths as not having universal health care. Thus the thrust of the ad is incorrect.

/zero
//The wife had health insurance after the husband was laid off and died 6 years later


Ah. Right. Because all insurance is the same.

You don't understand very much, do you?
 
2012-08-08 12:37:32 PM
It is more of an indictment of the current system than anything. I'm sure Romney understands the implications of how he got so rich so fast, I doubt he cares. I do think their are many people who would not have done what Romney did for any amount of money.
 
2012-08-08 12:37:52 PM

I_C_Weener: If this is true, then the ad is a lie.


It's not true in any meaningful sense. The wife lost her job very shortly after her husband, and her health insurance was intended to be a backup plan to begin with. They didn't have any health insurance for about four years prior to the diagnosis.
 
2012-08-08 12:38:28 PM
Is this about that time Mitt got his buddies Critical Bill and Pieces to dress up in cop uniforms to pull some guy over to scare him, but it all went wrong when Bill went totally apeshiat on the dude and stabbed him in the neck and then they find the girl sleeping the back of the car and they had to kill her too to cover it all up?
 
2012-08-08 12:39:42 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and she died about 22 days after first going to the hospital. What insurance plan would have stopped that cancer so quickly?


Fark that insurance shiat, single payer would have saved her.
 
2012-08-08 12:39:54 PM

I_C_Weener: tenpoundsofcheese: Dinki: Nice to see the dolt deliberately misinterpret the commercial to create some GOP outrage. The commercial quite rightly shows the consequences of plant closing and the very real effects those closings have on average Americans. .

How? The family still had health insurance from the wife's job. What "real effect" are you referring to?

If this is true, then the ad is a lie. It is saying Romney's decision cost her health insurance when she still had it. But, firing people is still overall an action that does lead to people losing health insurance even if the action of firing the person is necessary for the business to survive.

That said, Bain has acted in its own interest as a corporation should. And it's CEO did as well. I'm hoping that Romney will continue to act in the best interests of his new "corporation", the United States when/if he becomes CEO of it. Just like he did when he was CEO of the Olympics and of Massachusetts.

But, I don't know if Cheese is correct in his assertion.


see this.
 
2012-08-08 12:40:14 PM

Giltric: And obama would have had the lady pay a fine before she died for not having health insurance.


Decisions decisions.....


Funny.

New ad in response: "Obama's policies would have cost this woman and her family their tax refund for failing to obtain private health insurance through the mandate. Isn't she better off dead? This ad paid for by the Angry White Male for the Repeal of Health Insurance Mandates"
 
2012-08-08 12:40:17 PM

bartink: skullkrusher: bartink: skullkrusher: ugh can't we just get this election over with already?

Lets start a petition to get Romney to just concede.

give him the silver medal and we can all move on

Exactly. How's your kid?


doing very well. Funny little dude. Thanks, how is bartinkette making out?
 
2012-08-08 12:40:42 PM

Mahhughes: With Iranian war looming


What world do you live in, where diplomacy and sanctions are "war looming"?
 
2012-08-08 12:40:46 PM
If this ad were a defense of Obamacare, then okay, it makes sense. Obamacare would have helped this woman get and keep insurance despite her condition, and she likely would have chosen to get insurance despite not having any through her employer. The part that is distasteful is that it tries to relate the Bain lay-offs to her cancer, which is a bit of a "Butterfly Effect" as someone put it earlier.
 
2012-08-08 12:41:13 PM

sprawl15: Soptic's wife DID have health insurance at the time that Soptic was laid off. But her insurance was through Savers Thrift Store (which likely had shiatty plans compared to a solid blue collar job), and she was in turn laid off in late '02 or early '03. Joe himself was laid off on '02. It was four years later that the cancer (lung cancer) was discovered, when she went to the doctor's office because of pneumonia.

Regular checkups in those four years may have caught it. She was apparently losing weight for a while before she went in for the pneumonia issue, but refused to go to the doctor because of the costs to the family. He was employed as a janitor, so that was absolutely a very real concern.


There are insurance plans that do not cover major medical (like cancer, pregnancy, and so on). Joe explained that his wife's insurance was secondary in case his insurance didn't cover everything but that when he lost his - the entire family lost their insurance. He also noted that they weren't able to afford insurance. It sounds like her plan was insufficient to treat major medical.
 
2012-08-08 12:41:26 PM

Trapper439: tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and she died about 22 days after first going to the hospital. What insurance plan would have stopped that cancer so quickly?

Fark that insurance shiat, single payer would have saved her.


so really Bush killed her for not creating single payer. That's convenient. ;)
 
2012-08-08 12:41:43 PM

StewPie: Lord Dimwit: lennavan: I'm with subby. The stupid libtards are trying to link access to health care with life/death. Ridiculous. I bet they think it goes something like this: health care --> health --> survival. As if health care has any effect on your health and as if your health matters at all to your survival. Stupid libbos.

vpb: Wendy's Chili: Lsherm: El_Frijole_Blanco: The ad does not say Romney killed the guys wife it says he does not give a flying Fark what his profit margin means to your family

Based on the "logic" this ad uses: this guy could just as well blame the management of the steel mill that caused it to be unprofitable, which caused Bain to come in and make it profitable again. Why didn't the management of that steel company care enough to keep that mill open and save that man's wife?

The company was profitable until Bain loaded it up with debt.

Bain invested $8m in GST Steel to gain control, then had GST issue $125m in bonds to finance a dividend of $65million, 36.1m of which went to Bain.

...wow. That's low.

Next ad featuring Tony Soprano, Pauly Walnuts and Big Pussy looking at this and nodding in begrudging approval.


www.abccopywriting.com
What the fark does Mitt Romney know about the steel business? Besides 'fark you, pay me my management fee'.
 
2012-08-08 12:41:54 PM

Otto_E_Rodika: Or maybe this shiatty husband could have taken his wife to the hospital before she had pneumonia (and they discovered the cancer too late) and six years after his plant was closed not by Romney, but by one of Obama's top campaign bundlers. Or perhaps she could have gone for a check-up while she still had health insurance from her job. But I guess the villain of this story is some guy who was no longer at the company when he lost his job, instead of the guy who made the decision (Obama's man), or the wife, or the guy who presumably slept next to her.

You can smell the desperation in the Obama campaign. They know that the white, blue collar vote is lost to them, so now it is about keeping those rust-belt workers away from the voting booth.


Maybe the husband wanted her dead? Ever think of that. Quid pro quo, Clarise Romney? Romney kills his wife, and he will kill Ann Ramsey from Throw Momma from the Train.
 
2012-08-08 12:42:00 PM

skullkrusher: doing very well. Funny little dude. Thanks, how is bartinkette making out?


Playing right beside me. Very well. She's hilarious as well. Loves to fart. Dies laughing. Totally our fault she's like this.
 
2012-08-08 12:42:46 PM

coeyagi: imontheinternet: I called this months ago. I knew somebody would have been laid off by Bain, lost their health insurance, then died or had a family member die. I farking knew it. There had to be somebody out there.

I am sure there are dozens. Remember, some of these plants were in the heartland. Doesn't matter if R-money led to their loved ones' deaths, he is a GOPer and therefore a bonafide crusader for Jebus.


Verily I sayeth unto you, I am the Lord your God, and I have given unto the Job Creators dominion over you. You shall toil under them, endure their abuses, and reward them with praise and tax cuts even as you face misery at their behest. Any who shall defame the blessed Job Creators shall be cast out as traitors and socialists
 
2012-08-08 12:43:00 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: lennavan: tenpoundsofcheese: She died 22 days after first going to the hospital. That sounds severe.

There are cures for cancers this severe, depending on what the cause is.

tenpoundsofcheese: No political argument, just an interesting cancer discussion. I happen to find the topic quite interesting and close to my heart.

sorry to hear that it is a topic close to your heart. Hope it works out.

Thanks, though I'm not sure why you're sorry. If people like me weren't working on finding cures for cancer,

oh, I thought it was close to you because someone near you had cancer. Didn't realize you were in the med field working on it. In that case, good luck! .


Yeah, I'm a liberal so I care about non-related people too. I can see how you might make that mistake. No worries.
 
2012-08-08 12:43:05 PM
Preempting attacks on Obama's drone hit list?
 
2012-08-08 12:43:39 PM
Question for those knowledgeable about the issue and laws: Given the walls that are supposed to exist between campaigns and super pacs, could obama or his campaign legally ask the super pac to not run this ad, or to not run ads like it?

Would Obama saying "Hey, priorities usa, this ain't cool. Take this ad down and don't run ads this aggressive in the future" be illegal?
 
2012-08-08 12:43:54 PM

Giltric: And obama would have had the lady pay a fine before she died for not having health insurance.


Decisions decisions.....


Posts like this are why I have you farkied in boring grey and noted as "Too dumb to troll successfully".
 
2012-08-08 12:44:12 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Sending people to their death to bump your quarterly statement is a pretty routine event in business, whether it's direct like Don Blankenship rigging a coal mine to explode and burning people to death, or indirect like Mitt Romney's hand in killing this woman. Shareholders uber alles.


Good little Eichmanns?

"There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do." Small Gods
 
2012-08-08 12:45:07 PM

Jackson Herring: Of course this thread gets way more attention than the thread on Romney's latest outright lie about Obama.


Dog bites man isn't news.
 
2012-08-08 12:45:16 PM

I_C_Weener: tenpoundsofcheese: Dinki: Nice to see the dolt deliberately misinterpret the commercial to create some GOP outrage. The commercial quite rightly shows the consequences of plant closing and the very real effects those closings have on average Americans. .

How? The family still had health insurance from the wife's job. What "real effect" are you referring to?

If this is true, then the ad is a lie. It is saying Romney's decision cost her health insurance when she still had it. But, firing people is still overall an action that does lead to people losing health insurance even if the action of firing the person is necessary for the business to survive.

That said, Bain has acted in its own interest as a corporation should. And it's CEO did as well. I'm hoping that Romney will continue to act in the best interests of his new "corporation", the United States when/if he becomes CEO of it. Just like he did when he was CEO of the Olympics and of Massachusetts.

But, I don't know if Cheese is correct in his assertion.


Cheese is blanketing himself in partial information. From the husband's description of the plan, it sounds like the plan was incredibly inadequate. There are many plans that don't cover major medical. It sounds like hers was one of them. Regardless, she lost her insurance shortly after they lost his.
 
2012-08-08 12:45:33 PM
"If people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney's health care plan, they would have had health care," said [Romney spokesperson]Saul.
 
2012-08-08 12:46:19 PM

Otto_E_Rodika: Or maybe this shiatty husband could have taken his wife to the hospital before she had pneumonia (and they discovered the cancer too late) and six years after his plant was closed not by Romney, but by one of Obama's top campaign bundlers. Or perhaps she could have gone for a check-up while she still had health insurance from her job. But I guess the villain of this story is some guy who was no longer at the company when he lost his job, instead of the guy who made the decision (Obama's man), or the wife, or the guy who presumably slept next to her.

You can smell the desperation in the Obama campaign. They know that the white, blue collar vote is lost to them, so now it is about keeping those rust-belt workers away from the voting booth.


5/10 - you didn't provide enough contradiction for the authentic feel
 
2012-08-08 12:46:35 PM

Karac: StewPie: Lord Dimwit: lennavan: I'm with subby. The stupid libtards are trying to link access to health care with life/death. Ridiculous. I bet they think it goes something like this: health care --> health --> survival. As if health care has any effect on your health and as if your health matters at all to your survival. Stupid libbos.

vpb: Wendy's Chili: Lsherm: El_Frijole_Blanco: The ad does not say Romney killed the guys wife it says he does not give a flying Fark what his profit margin means to your family

Based on the "logic" this ad uses: this guy could just as well blame the management of the steel mill that caused it to be unprofitable, which caused Bain to come in and make it profitable again. Why didn't the management of that steel company care enough to keep that mill open and save that man's wife?

The company was profitable until Bain loaded it up with debt.

Bain invested $8m in GST Steel to gain control, then had GST issue $125m in bonds to finance a dividend of $65million, 36.1m of which went to Bain.

...wow. That's low.

Next ad featuring Tony Soprano, Pauly Walnuts and Big Pussy looking at this and nodding in begrudging approval.


What the fark does Mitt Romney know about the steel business? Besides 'fark you, pay me my management fee'.


The ordeal is remarkedly similar to that Soprano's episode, except nobody actually went in debt to Bain before they decided to "bust out" the company.
 
2012-08-08 12:48:05 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Bontesla: Cat Food Sandwiches: EighthDay: shower_in_my_socks: tenpoundsofcheese:When the woman first went to the hospital she was diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer. What insurance would have saved her?


SHE PUT OFF GOING TO THE DOCTOR BECAUSE THEY HAD NO INSURANCE, YOU FARKING MORON. Hence, she was already Stage 4 by the time she was diagnosed.

I don't understand why people still argue with 10 pounds of Derp.

Is it simply so that his lies and spin don't go unchecked?

You will never win in an argument against him because facts are a liberal plot and libslibslibsSOSHULISM!

Clink on the CNN link above. When they call BS on Obama, it's BS.

Since when does CNN get anything right the first time? Not the point.

Not all insurance plans are the same - CNN acknowledged it was secondary form of insurance and her husband's was the first form of insurance. The husband also said they couldn't afford the insurance and so his wife never went.

oh look, another person who doesn't know what "first form of insurance" even means and what happens when you lose that insurance.


Awww. Does your inadequate information make you feel uncomfortable?
 
2012-08-08 12:48:13 PM

Lunatic Calm: Would Obama saying "Hey, priorities usa, this ain't cool. Take this ad down and don't run ads this aggressive in the future" be illegal?


Dunno. Probably not if he publicly called for it. I believe McCain did that about the Rev. Wright stuff.
 
2012-08-08 12:48:52 PM

bartink: skullkrusher: doing very well. Funny little dude. Thanks, how is bartinkette making out?

Playing right beside me. Very well. She's hilarious as well. Loves to fart. Dies laughing. Totally our fault she's like this.


haha, the boy just learned to make fart noises with his mouth. Comedy gold as far as he's concerned
 
2012-08-08 12:48:55 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "If people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney's health care plan, they would have had health care," said [Romney spokesperson]Saul.


WHAT THE EVER LOVING fark

THAT'S Mitt Romney's campaign's position? Mitt "I hate Obamacare and I really wish I hadn't improved health care access in Massachusetts because my ostensible base thinks it's the worst thing ever" Romney's campaign?
 
2012-08-08 12:48:57 PM
Off topic, sorta, but I'm full of piss and vinegar at the moment... I used to be full of vinegar:

I
wanna
be
like
Bain.

Yes, I do. I want to be the point-shaver, the corporate raider, the one who has the wherewithal to do things with my money that you can't do, because... Well, you're not tall enough to ride this ride.

I can do things with my money that you can't. Sucks to be you.

Can't flip a house because you can't afford to buy a house with cash? Sorry.

Can't hire people to figure out why you don't need to pay taxes?

Sorry.

Don't have enough to open an offshore account?

Well, you're not bootstrappy enough.

Your father must be this wealthy to ride this ride.

It's almost as if there were two economies going on. There is an entry point that 99.999 percent of anyone who votes for Romney will never in their life achive... But like the state lotto, they keep thinking, "oh yeah... I'm gonna benefit from voting them in to office! Just like Joe the plumber who started a plumbing business... oh... wait!"
 
2012-08-08 12:49:56 PM

LRA61380: If this ad were a defense of Obamacare, then okay, it makes sense. Obamacare would have helped this woman get and keep insurance despite her condition, and she likely would have chosen to get insurance despite not having any through her employer. The part that is distasteful is that it tries to relate the Bain lay-offs to her cancer, which is a bit of a "Butterfly Effect" as someone put it earlier.


Why is it distasteful?
 
2012-08-08 12:50:06 PM

Dinki: Nice to see the dolt deliberately misinterpret the commercial to create some GOP outrage. The commercial quite rightly shows the consequences of plant closing and the very real effects those closings have on average Americans.


Plant closings cause the wives of people who were laid off to have health care coverage from other employers that they allow to lapse a few years later and then, a few years after that, to contract cancer that, untreated, leads to death?

Seriously, what's the policy message here? That people should never be laid off? This is perhaps the nastiest, most scurrilous attack ad I've ever seen, certainly at the national level.
 
2012-08-08 12:51:34 PM

ManateeGag: rape


Using the same logic Obama repeatedly raped Lara Logan. It's really simple Obama encouraged the arab spring and then sometime after that she goes there to cover the news and gets repeatedly raped.
 
2012-08-08 12:52:33 PM

Garet Garrett: This is perhaps the nastiest, most scurrilous attack ad I've ever seen, certainly at the national level.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-08 12:53:26 PM

Garet Garrett: Dinki: Nice to see the dolt deliberately misinterpret the commercial to create some GOP outrage. The commercial quite rightly shows the consequences of plant closing and the very real effects those closings have on average Americans.

Plant closings cause the wives of people who were laid off to have health care coverage from other employers that they allow to lapse a few years later and then, a few years after that, to contract cancer that, untreated, leads to death?

Seriously, what's the policy message here? That people should never be laid off? This is perhaps the nastiest, most scurrilous attack ad I've ever seen, certainly at the national level.


You don't understand what Bain did, do you?
 
2012-08-08 12:54:31 PM

skullkrusher: haha, the boy just learned to make fart noises with his mouth. Comedy gold as far as he's concerned


Yeah, I finally understand why when James Lipton asks people their favorite sound so many of them say their children's laughter.

/sappy threadjack
 
2012-08-08 12:55:02 PM
A Mitt Romney spokesperson offered an unusual counterattack Tuesday to an ad in which a laid-off steelworker blames the presumptive GOP nominee for his family losing health care: If that family had lived in Massachusetts, it would have been covered by the former governor's universal health care law.

"To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney's health care plan, they would have had health care," Andrea Saul, Romney's campaign press secretary, said during an appearance on Fox News.



Link
 
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