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2012-08-08 08:46:49 AM
"There are a lot of things that Obama did that I don't agree with, like the bailouts," said Kelly Blankenship, 27, a logger from Dublin, Va., who said he was an independent voter.

Obama is so awesome he can actually travel back in time and sign bills into law months before becoming president.
 
2012-08-08 09:23:15 AM
I guess I just imagined Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum getting crushed by truckloads of attack ads.
 
2012-08-08 10:39:47 AM

Sybarite: "There are a lot of things that Obama did that I don't agree with, like the bailouts," said Kelly Blankenship, 27, a logger from Dublin, Va., who said he was an independent voter.

Obama is so awesome he can actually travel back in time and sign bills into law months before becoming president.


to be fair, Obama had to write the check for the second half of the bailout. He could have said no.
 
2012-08-08 10:40:18 AM
Republican advantage among a politically vital constituency, white working-class voters in the states most likely to decide the presidential election.

Middle class and poor blacks vote for their financial interests, same with middle class and poor Hispanics even more so because they are generally even more socially conservative but us white people are all day suckers, that is a definite embarrassing aspect of the white culture.
 
2012-08-08 10:41:28 AM
"My job is another reason I don't care for [Obama]. The timber company I work for lost a lot of jobs because of the green initiative."

Yeah, pal, that's why. It's not because trees are a limited resource at all, no sir. Everybody knows trees last forever, and they can be easily replaced.

I am saddened, however, to learn that stupid jerk Obama made this independent voter pick a career cutting trees down. If only Obama hadn't forced him to smoke meth in the high school parking lot, blaring Linkin Park when he should have been in class. Damn you, Obama!!!!
 
2012-08-08 10:42:44 AM

Sybarite: Obama is so awesome he can actually travel back in time and sign bills into law months before becoming president.


I thought the next part was interesting as well...

"My job is another reason I don't care for him. The timber company I work for lost a lot of jobs because of the green initiative."

I would have loved it if they asked what specific parts of the "Green Initiative" were particularly damaging to his company.
 
2012-08-08 10:43:22 AM
All we hear in all of Mr. Obama's ads and stump speeches a gross, dishonest and hateful caraciture of the Mr. Romney.
 
2012-08-08 10:44:03 AM
Similarly, Mr. Romney is trying to peel off as many female voters as possible

He needs their skin to keep his soft.
 
2012-08-08 10:44:26 AM
If the rest of the world became as jaded and disillusioned as me we're gonna be in trouble.

They say that 50% of advertising money is wasted, you just don't know which 50%. What if that went up to 90%. Most of you farkers can already ignore web pages full of animated gifs, and we make sure that we control what Flash runs. DVRs let us time shift everything, and now you can watch three hours of programming in two or less.

It doesn't matter if you're about to spend a billion dollars on ads. You can't make Mitt Romney look better than Obama this autumn. That billion dollars might be enough to shift the numbers a percent or two.

Now, if they really want to mess things up the SuperPacs would focus on local elections. There's never enough money there for one side to run ads against the other.
 
2012-08-08 10:45:32 AM

smitty04: All we hear in all of Mr. Obama's ads and stump speeches a gross, dishonest and hateful caraciture of the Mr. Romney.


Go ahead, give us the real Mitt Romney. Did this real Mitt Romney not work for Bain Capital, or implement a statewide insurance program that the ACA is based off of? Did this real Mitt Romney release his tax returns, like every other presidential candidate for the past 50 years? I'm dying to know.
 
2012-08-08 10:48:32 AM

smitty04: All we hear in all of Mr. Obama's ads and stump speeches a gross, dishonest and hateful caraciture of the Mr. Romney.


Romney is gross, dishonest, and hated, so I don't see the problem.
 
2012-08-08 10:49:29 AM

EyeballKid: "My job is another reason I don't care for [Obama]. The timber company I work for lost a lot of jobs because of the green initiative."

Yeah, pal, that's why. It's not because trees are a limited resource at all, no sir. Everybody knows trees last forever, and they can be easily replaced.

I am saddened, however, to learn that stupid jerk Obama made this independent voter pick a career cutting trees down. If only Obama hadn't forced him to smoke meth in the high school parking lot, blaring Linkin Park when he should have been in class. Damn you, Obama!!!!


9 out of 10 parking lot meth smokers agree, Obama's Keynesian monetary policy will hurt the free market exchanges that allow amphetamine manufacturing and distribution to flourish in impoverished nativist strongholds like Arizona and Texas and thus weaken the backbone of our respiratorily-intoxicated logging workforce. Damn, you O'QueefMethbummer!
 
2012-08-08 10:49:34 AM
Without people raising money for Obama, the government would not have poured $500 million down a rat-hole called Solyndra.
 
2012-08-08 10:50:11 AM

smitty04: All we hear in all of Mr. Obama's ads and stump speeches a gross, dishonest and hateful caraciture of the Mr. Romney.


Okay, name ONE such misrepresentation. Just one. And then name just one "job-killing regulation."

In either case, you can't.
 
2012-08-08 10:51:07 AM

Sybarite: Obama is so awesome he can actually travel back in time and sign bills into law months before becoming president.


www.strangecosmos.com
 
2012-08-08 10:51:24 AM

smitty04: Without people raising money for Obama, the government would not have poured $500 million down a rat-hole called Solyndra.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-08 10:51:39 AM

smitty04: Without people raising money for Obama, the government would not have poured $500 million down a rat-hole called Solyndra.


yeah, yeah, republicans suddenly became very concerned about spending sometime in late 2008 early 2009.
 
2012-08-08 10:51:44 AM

smitty04: Without people raising money for Obama, the government would not have poured $500 million down a rat-hole called Solyndra.


You sound tired, Smitty. Even Issa said Solyndra is bullshiat. That's right, even Darrell Issa thinks you are a clown.
 
2012-08-08 10:52:30 AM
Old and busted: SuperPACs will hijack the democratic process by enabling special interest groups to sway public opinion through unlimited spending on advertising. New hotness: meh

SuperPACs and the related campaign donation laws have enabled rich individuals to prop up otherwise crazy candidates like Rick Santorum. Further, because a single individual can make such an enormous financial contribution now, politicians will change their policy in a manner that will keep that single, rich individual happy and donating at the cost of many who cannot donate that much. This is apparently summarized as "meh."

Alright.
 
2012-08-08 10:53:07 AM

smitty04: Without people raising money for Obama, the government would not have poured $500 million down a rat-hole called Solyndra.


Drew, where is the [Retarded] button?
 
2012-08-08 10:53:37 AM

lennavan: Old and busted: SuperPACs will hijack the democratic process by enabling special interest groups to sway public opinion through unlimited spending on advertising. New hotness: meh

SuperPACs and the related campaign donation laws have enabled rich individuals to prop up otherwise crazy candidates like Rick Santorum. Further, because a single individual can make such an enormous financial contribution now, politicians will change their policy in a manner that will keep that single, rich individual happy and donating at the cost of many who cannot donate that much. This is apparently summarized as "meh."

Alright.


Sure. What are people supposed to do? Take an interest in politics and look beyond the surface? Pshaw.
 
2012-08-08 10:54:13 AM

EyeballKid: "My job is another reason I don't care for [Obama]. The timber company I work for lost a lot of jobs because of the green initiative."

Yeah, pal, that's why. It's not because trees are a limited resource at all, no sir. Everybody knows trees last forever, and they can be easily replaced.



If a company engages in sustainable loggin practices, yes they can last forever.
 
2012-08-08 10:54:22 AM

Sybarite: "There are a lot of things that Obama did that I don't agree with, like the bailouts," said Kelly Blankenship, 27, a logger from Dublin, Va., who said he was an independent voter.

Obama is so awesome he can actually travel back in time and sign bills into law months before becoming president.


Or voted in favor as a Senator.
 
2012-08-08 10:55:44 AM

Sybarite: "There are a lot of things that Obama did that I don't agree with, like the bailouts," said Kelly Blankenship, 27, a logger from Dublin, Va., who said he was an independent voter.

Obama is so awesome he can actually travel back in time and sign bills into law months before becoming president.


Tim Geithner was a big contributor to the design of TARP. While, yes, Bush urged Congress to pass it, then signed it, it was largely Krugman-inspired economic derp. Did it work? It did. Did the ARA? Not as well as it was pitched. If the voters are getting the message confused, whose fault is that?

What does Obama have direct responsibility for with TARP? Chrysler and GM, and throwing out 200+ years of bankruptcy jurisprudence to allow unsecured creditors to get paid before secured ones. I understand why they did it; doesn't mean I've completely bitten off on it. Nor does it excuse the rank mismanagement that led to the crises at those two companies. Nobody's much talked about what Alan Mulally did at Ford; could it be because he didn't need the Treasury Department to do a surgical chapter 11 on his company that rewarded unsecured creditors? Maybe. Does George Bush deserve blame for that? You bet. If both GM and Chrysler had gone into Chapter 11 in 2007, things might have been different. But GM probably wouldn't have re-emerged (probably would have gone into Chapter 7, because they were so farked).

Wendy's Chili: guess I just imagined Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum getting crushed by truckloads of attack ads.


Sadly, they didn't die, and will probably both end up speaking at the RNC. One can only pray that the networks are wise enough not to broadcast them.

I live in one of the states mentioned. I consider myself an Independent (and not a Fark IndependentTM). The last two people I've voted for are Democrats. I still haven't made up my mind for the President. I'm going to vote for my Democratic representative. I'm going to vote against the Democratic Senate nominee (even if it means voting for just about the worst Republican the party could find). I will decide on my Presidential pick at some point after I see what Congress does (or fails to do) the next couple of months.
 
2012-08-08 10:56:18 AM

smitty04: Without people raising money for Obama, the government would not have poured $500 million down a rat-hole called Solyndra.


OMG a company that got a federal loan guarantee went out of business because the Chinese produced the same product they made and cost half as much.THE HORROR. Good thing the solar bushiness Rmoney helped out as governor are still in business, oh wait........
 
2012-08-08 10:57:43 AM

wildcardjack: If the rest of the world became as jaded and disillusioned as me we're gonna be in trouble.

They say that 50% of advertising money is wasted, you just don't know which 50%. What if that went up to 90%. Most of you farkers can already ignore web pages full of animated gifs, and we make sure that we control what Flash runs. DVRs let us time shift everything, and now you can watch three hours of programming in two or less.

It doesn't matter if you're about to spend a billion dollars on ads. You can't make Mitt Romney look better than Obama this autumn. That billion dollars might be enough to shift the numbers a percent or two.

Now, if they really want to mess things up the SuperPacs would focus on local elections. There's never enough money there for one side to run ads against the other.


Agreed. SuperPACs matter more in races where people know little in general. Almost every voter knows a lot of things about Romney and Obama already. They know less about their State Representative or Proposition 457501, so a little annoymous money in those sorts of races goes a lot way.
 
2012-08-08 10:58:54 AM

jjorsett: Or voted in favor as a Senator.


Unlike Mitt Romney who has repeatedly come out....against...the bank bailouts?
 
2012-08-08 10:59:04 AM

smitty04: ... Solyndra.


DRINK!
 
2012-08-08 11:01:06 AM

hurdboy: I will decide on my Presidential pick at some point after I see what Congress does (or fails to do) the next couple of months.


You will decide who to vote for for President depending on what Congress does? Huh? Shouldn't that change your Congressional vote, not your Presidential one?
 
2012-08-08 11:01:35 AM

hurdboy: I'm going to vote against the Democratic Senate nominee (even if it means voting for just about the worst Republican the party could find).


Ugh, you're voting for George Allen? I hope you take a shower afterwards...

Six years later and the best the VA GOP could come up with was "George Allen Again."
 
2012-08-08 11:04:05 AM

hurdboy: While, yes, Bush urged Congress to pass it, then signed it, it was largely Krugman-inspired economic derp mainstream economic theory supported by economists of nearly all stripes.


FTFY.
 
2012-08-08 11:05:38 AM

qorkfiend: smitty04: All we hear in all of Mr. Obama's ads and stump speeches a gross, dishonest and hateful caraciture of the Mr. Romney.

Go ahead, give us the real Mitt Romney. Did this real Mitt Romney not work for Bain Capital, or implement a statewide insurance program that the ACA is based off of? Did this real Mitt Romney release his tax returns, like every other presidential candidate for the past 50 years? I'm dying to know.


It's not just his political and business careers either. Everything new I find out about the guy makes me dislike him more as a person and convinces me that he's a sociopath.

What kind of normal, caring, empathetic person:

- Straps a dog to the roof of his car for a 12 hour car trip and, when it shiats itself in terror, stops, hoses it off, and puts it back on top of the car and continues driving?

- Drives around in a car made to look like a squad car and pulls people over while dressed in a cop uniform their daddy got for them?

- Holds their gay classmate down and shaves their hair off?

- Protests FOR the Vietnam war then runs and hides in France to avoid fighting in it?

The guy is a caricature. He's a stereotypical portrait of a greed driven businessman for whom the pursuit of profit and power is an end to which any means are justified. And people want this asshole running the country?
 
2012-08-08 11:06:40 AM
PAC's involved in the race for President are wasting their money.

It's a lot more affordable and more effective to just own 10-15 key Congressmen.
 
2012-08-08 11:07:36 AM

Geotpf: You will decide who to vote for for President depending on what Congress does? Huh? Shouldn't that change your Congressional vote, not your Presidential one?


No, they're related. My vote in the House doesn't matter in the slightest; a Republican has zero chance fo winning here. But I fully expect Congress to do absolutely nothing, and pass a CR that just takes current funding to the next Congress. That they're failing is a reflection on the Administration's inability to propose something both houses can sign on to.
 
2012-08-08 11:09:11 AM

hurdboy: Geotpf: You will decide who to vote for for President depending on what Congress does? Huh? Shouldn't that change your Congressional vote, not your Presidential one?

No, they're related. My vote in the House doesn't matter in the slightest; a Republican has zero chance fo winning here. But I fully expect Congress to do absolutely nothing, and pass a CR that just takes current funding to the next Congress. That they're failing is a reflection on the Administration's inability to propose something both houses can sign on to.


Are you serious? The House's failure to pass a budget is the Administration's fault?
 
2012-08-08 11:10:01 AM

hurdboy: That they're failing is a reflection on the Administration's inability to propose something both houses can sign on to.


[ohyoureserious.jpg]
 
2012-08-08 11:10:14 AM
For people who think Romney's business experience proves that he'd be good for the economy, I have a question: Do you think your company's executives do a good job?
 
2012-08-08 11:11:14 AM

hurdboy: That they're failing is a reflection on the Administration's inability to propose something both houses can sign on to.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

/I love accurate Fark handles.
 
2012-08-08 11:11:23 AM

qorkfiend: hurdboy: Geotpf: You will decide who to vote for for President depending on what Congress does? Huh? Shouldn't that change your Congressional vote, not your Presidential one?

No, they're related. My vote in the House doesn't matter in the slightest; a Republican has zero chance fo winning here. But I fully expect Congress to do absolutely nothing, and pass a CR that just takes current funding to the next Congress. That they're failing is a reflection on the Administration's inability to propose something both houses can sign on to.

Are you serious? The House's failure to pass a budget is the Administration's fault?


Haha you think he knows budgets originate in the House. You're such a sillypants.
 
2012-08-08 11:11:42 AM

The Homer Tax: Ugh, you're voting for George Allen? I hope you take a shower afterwards...

Six years later and the best the VA GOP could come up with was "George Allen Again."


Pretty much. At least he's not a Tea Party nut. (They couldn't even find one as attractive as Christine O'Donnell!) And I understand how the Senate works. If Allen wins, Virginia isn't back to having two freshmen. Ted Stevens was a lout, but the "bridge to nowhere," didn't show up because he was an exciting rookie. Similarly, Bill Nelson was the representative for the district in Florida where I was born around the time I was born. I'm in my 30s. Right or wrong, overall Congressional tenure matters a lot. *sigh*
 
2012-08-08 11:13:58 AM

qorkfiend: hurdboy: Geotpf: You will decide who to vote for for President depending on what Congress does? Huh? Shouldn't that change your Congressional vote, not your Presidential one?

No, they're related. My vote in the House doesn't matter in the slightest; a Republican has zero chance fo winning here. But I fully expect Congress to do absolutely nothing, and pass a CR that just takes current funding to the next Congress. That they're failing is a reflection on the Administration's inability to propose something both houses can sign on to.

Are you serious? The House's failure to pass a budget is the Administration's fault?



Dammit, ignore my previous post, I thought of a better one.

hudrboy is a passionate defender of what he imagines the constitution to be.
 
2012-08-08 11:14:25 AM

hurdboy: That they're failing is a reflection on the Administration's inability to propose something both houses can sign on to.


Are you seriously suggesting that there's anything the president could propose in a budget that the House would agree to? You really, honestly, and truly believe that the President is the one being inflexible with regard to the budget?
 
2012-08-08 11:15:11 AM

hurdboy: The Homer Tax: Ugh, you're voting for George Allen? I hope you take a shower afterwards...

Six years later and the best the VA GOP could come up with was "George Allen Again."

Pretty much. At least he's not a Tea Party nut. (They couldn't even find one as attractive as Christine O'Donnell!) And I understand how the Senate works. If Allen wins, Virginia isn't back to having two freshmen. Ted Stevens was a lout, but the "bridge to nowhere," didn't show up because he was an exciting rookie. Similarly, Bill Nelson was the representative for the district in Florida where I was born around the time I was born. I'm in my 30s. Right or wrong, overall Congressional tenure matters a lot. *sigh*


Whoever wins will be the junior senator from Virginia. It's not based on total tenure, it's based on who was most recently elected.
 
2012-08-08 11:17:20 AM

hurdboy: No, they're related. My vote in the House doesn't matter in the slightest; a Republican has zero chance fo winning here. But I fully expect Congress to do absolutely nothing, and pass a CR that just takes current funding to the next Congress. That they're failing is a reflection on the Administration's inability to propose something both houses can sign on to.


As a gay hippy liberal I'm actually curious what sort of things could happen in the next few months that would tip you towards Romney (or towards Obama).
 
2012-08-08 11:17:29 AM

qorkfiend: The House's failure to pass a budget is the Administration's fault?


Even if the Senate passed whatever nonsense the House spit out, the President would veto it. Just like he did the enabling legislation (which just allows the other appropriations to come to votes in both houses)

Link
 
2012-08-08 11:19:37 AM

hurdboy: qorkfiend: The House's failure to pass a budget is the Administration's fault?

Even if the Senate passed whatever nonsense the House spit out, the President would veto it. Just like he did the enabling legislation (which just allows the other appropriations to come to votes in both houses)

Link


Maybe if the House stops proposing jobs bills that rape the environment.....
 
2012-08-08 11:20:30 AM

hurdboy: qorkfiend: The House's failure to pass a budget is the Administration's fault?

Even if the Senate passed whatever nonsense the House spit out, the President would veto it. Just like he did the enabling legislation (which just allows the other appropriations to come to votes in both houses)

Link


That link you posted doesn't say what you think it says.

So, it's not the Administration, it's the Senate, but if it was the Administration, they should blindly accept whatever's sent to them?
 
2012-08-08 11:21:17 AM

The Homer Tax: jjorsett: Or voted in favor as a Senator.

Unlike Mitt Romney who has repeatedly come out....against...the bank bailouts?


What does Romney have to do with Obama's record as a Senator and President?
 
2012-08-08 11:22:04 AM

hurdboy: qorkfiend: The House's failure to pass a budget is the Administration's fault?

Even if the Senate passed whatever nonsense the House spit out, the President would veto it.


Ah, see I think why qorkfiend does not understand your position. I can spell it out for him so he gets what you are saying.

The House is spitting out nonsense budgets.
There isn't a chance in hell the Senate would ever accept these nonsense budgets, nor should they.
But hypothetically, in your imagination, were the Senate to okay one of these nonsense budgets, Obama would veto it.
Therefore this is Obama's fault.

See, now we're all on the same page.
 
2012-08-08 11:22:15 AM

qorkfiend: Whoever wins will be the junior senator from Virginia. It's not based on total tenure, it's based on who was most recently elected.


*cough* Frank Lautenberg. *cough Dan Coates.

Previous terms do count towards seniority.
 
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