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"Here, Junior, take this dollar up there"

apres_ski_god: Mrs.Sharpier: apres_ski_god: Mrs.Sharpier: Galileo's Daughter: ParanoidAgnostic: Mrs.Sharpier: ParanoidAgnostic: Mrs.Sharpier: Ah yes, spanking, when you're too stupid to use words.

How exactly do you reason with a 2-year-old who wants to stick his hand in the stove?

Pick them up and move them away from the stove. Tell them that "IT'S HOT"

You seriously would farking hit a toddler? Tie your tubes.

You're adorable

This. You obviously aren't a parent.



He never burned himself, never had a trip to the ER and *gasp*! He is well behaved in public!

I don't take him out if he is tired and we USE WORDS.

He is a well adjusted 5 year old now who doesn't live in fear of his parents for being hit. Violence begets violence. Apparently this is a difficult concept for lazy parents to grasp.

Each child is different... My son is very well natured and we have never had to discipline him outside of a time out and even those are so few and far between I can't remember the last time he had one... But my daughter is a whole different kettle of fish ... A total opposite of her brother and I have had to give her a quick swat on the bum a couple of times...
If you have another child be prepared to change your tune.
Your experiences are unique to you, don't assume they are the same for everybody else.

I don't necessarily think I was speaking in absolutes. There is a difference between a swat on the bum and deliberate hitting when a parent has become tired or their methods have failed them. I am arguing that it is worse for a child to be hit in the long run.

You're correct, every child is different, there is no blue print... But I can't say that if I had a more difficult child that I would endorse hitting, and if the child that acts up continued to do it after I hit them, I would definitely stop.

Yes... If a swat or two doesn't work you have to stop 'cause that's when things could get carried away... As I said in my Boobies, a spank should be the last resort but it has to be an ...

agreed. the less you use it, the more it means when you do have to spank.

Mrs.Sharpier: The link is up thread. But thanks for trying.

I trust what I see more than all the rationalistic skullduggery of a scientist or doctor with an agenda.

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Why do most of the pro-hitting people think it's okay to spank a child, but not punch, kick, slap, bite, hair-pull...?

If the ultimate impact is the same and no long-term injury is caused, why is there any difference in the method.

If you are okay with spanking your child, you have to be okay with punching him in the head, kicking him in the stomach or slapping him across the face with a relatively equal force because ultimately there is no functional difference between any of these things if they're done equivalently.

So, why aren't you?

Because the diaper and tush fat provides extra padding.

You might want to review your biology textbook to see how an equal force across a face and across the butt would have different results.

BobDeluxe: Worked for your kid, must work for everyones.

I think I have made it very clear in this entire thread that I don't think this at all. Do yourself a favor and read the thing.

The Homer Tax: tl;dr - I've realized that most people are winging it, and short of actual abuse, or parents of kid who are just total dicks all the time, everyone should lay off each other in judging what a "good parent" and a "bad parent" is.

Well, at least when it comes to minutiae like this. People are of course about to tell me that "spankings are no small thing". I may respond to that with "go soak your head". These are people for whom spankings and beatings are both inexorably synonymous, and inexorably equivalent, and that's just not the sort of logic I can reason with.

I did developmental psychology for a while. I know all about Albert Bandura and his groundbreaking studies on observational learning. I've seen the child who watched someone hitting someone else with a plastic hammer, and then went and picked up that plastic hammer and hit someone with it.

The thing people seem to forget is that all of this is an outgrowth of Behaviorist Psychology. Remember Pavlov's Dogs?

It's true that small children- about the age of three or so have about that level of mental complexity. The thing is, they grow out of it. They grow beyond it. And even a year or so later they begin to acquire the presence of mind not to imitate absolutely everything they see like some sort of copying machine made of meat and grey matter.

Behaviorists will say this isn't so. They'll do this mostly because they're proponents of a purist philosophy of psychology which flat-out denies the possibility of choice in human beings. Everything is deterministic, fated, if you will. If this, then that. Garbage in, garbage out. I think anyone living in reality knows this isn't so. But you can't reason with people like that either, so they're cordially invited to go soak their heads as well.

If you don't think much more of your child than you do the family pet, then by all means, worry that they'll most certainly interpret an occasional spanking as license to go shoot up a movie theater 26 years later.

I think the kids are smarter than this. Hell, I even think their parents are smarter than this.


Honestly, I don't know what's so hard to understand about the phrase "your mileage may vary". Not every kid is the same. Not every parent is the same. And being a "good" parent is about a whole lot more than following some cookie-cutter philosophy that- in being meant to suit every child, suits nearly no child at all.

I was spanked as a child. Lots of kids in my generation were. Lots of us didn't grow up to be abusers or murderers or other sociopaths. That's not how this works. Potential isn't certainty, and sometimes, in some situations, the potential risk is well worth the reward.

Being a good parent is about knowing when those situations arise, and how to react to them- intelligently, not by reading from a script.

The Homer Tax: BobDeluxe: Worked for your kid, must work for everyones.

I think I have made it very clear in this entire thread that I don't think this at all. Do yourself a favor and read the thing.

That's a lot of reading. I'll take your word on it.

andrewagill: Full Blown Jimbo: At the Dark Knight Rises, same thing with a baby.

The most tragic thing about Aurora was the 6-year-old who got shot. Even if she was there with someone over 17, she shouldn't have even been there.

I thought the same thing when I first heard about it. Hard to point fingers at grieving parents, but why the fark did they take a six year old to a midnight showing of that movie? There was only one person at fault for the shooting, but just in general wait to see movies like that until you can find a sitter. Even if the kid isn't scared out of her mind, you'll annoy everyone else.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down. See, that's the exact opposite of what happens. No one ever disciplines their kids in Wal-Mart, which is why it's a headache-creating hell hole. Kids screaming, running around, and crying, while their overweight mother stumbles through the aisles like the retarded fat hog she is.

I simply love how the liberal viewpoint is that "force begets force," yet the very first weapon of the large government that seems to be their answer for every problem is... force. When it comes to negative feedback in the form of corporal punishment, the very first choice as to the person most qualified to apply it should logically be somebody who cares most about the subject, rather than an impersonal, self-serving money-pit of a government, which requires ever-increasing amounts of grease for its own wheels. And, it should be applied early in the game, before the pattern of bad behavior has had a chance to embed itself.

No matter what any doctor deliberately sets out to prove.

SkunkWerks: Being a good parent is about knowing when those situations arise, and how to react to them- intelligently, not by reading from a script.

That whole post was a thing of beauty. Couldn't agree more.

Full Blown Jimbo: andrewagill: Full Blown Jimbo: At the Dark Knight Rises, same thing with a baby.

The most tragic thing about Aurora was the 6-year-old who got shot. Even if she was there with someone over 17, she shouldn't have even been there.

I thought the same thing when I first heard about it. Hard to point fingers at grieving parents, but why the fark did they take a six year old to a midnight showing of that movie? There was only one person at fault for the shooting, but just in general wait to see movies like that until you can find a sitter. Even if the kid isn't scared out of her mind, you'll annoy everyone else.

What I've seen with may parents of young children is that if they can't find a sitter for such a thing, they just say fark it and take the kid. Nothing is going to get in the way of what they want to do. May not have been the case there, but I see it a lot.

The Homer Tax: I never said they were total failures as parents.

Oh, yeah you said they'd already lost. Clearly such a concrete determination ("lost" is a result) left a lot of room for interpretation.

The Homer Tax: Also all that stuff about your relationship with them, I never said or even implied anything about any of that...are you certain you're as well-adjusted as you think you are?

Yes. Again, the implication in saying they "lost" is that irrevocable damage had been done and they'd given up. I disagree with your opinion. Wholeheartedly, though you're entitled to it.

HAMMERTOE: I simply love how the liberal viewpoint is that "force begets force," yet the very first weapon of the large government that seems to be their answer for every problem is... force. When it comes to negative feedback in the form of corporal punishment, the very first choice as to the person most qualified to apply it should logically be somebody who cares most about the subject, rather than an impersonal, self-serving money-pit of a government, which requires ever-increasing amounts of grease for its own wheels. And, it should be applied early in the game, before the pattern of bad behavior has had a chance to embed itself.

No matter what any doctor deliberately sets out to prove.

You're hilarious. Seriously, I haven't lol'd at a troll in awhile here. and your profile is rich too, good job.

BobDeluxe: What I've seen with may parents of young children is that if they can't find a sitter for such a thing, they just say fark it and take the kid. Nothing is going to get in the way of what they want to do. May not have been the case there, but I see it a lot.

Ugh, i see that all the time as well. I don't understand it. So many parents are all about the "Me, me, me", regardless of how it affects their children. Saddens me.

A friend of mine spanked a kid in public that wasn't his once. The kid was acting up at a funeral and the parents were doing nothing about it. Luckily, the parents didn't see him do it and the kid didn't rat him out. Otherwise I'm sure he would be in jail.

BobDeluxe: Full Blown Jimbo: andrewagill: Full Blown Jimbo: At the Dark Knight Rises, same thing with a baby.

The most tragic thing about Aurora was the 6-year-old who got shot. Even if she was there with someone over 17, she shouldn't have even been there.

I thought the same thing when I first heard about it. Hard to point fingers at grieving parents, but why the fark did they take a six year old to a midnight showing of that movie? There was only one person at fault for the shooting, but just in general wait to see movies like that until you can find a sitter. Even if the kid isn't scared out of her mind, you'll annoy everyone else.

What I've seen with may parents of young children is that if they can't find a sitter for such a thing, they just say fark it and take the kid. Nothing is going to get in the way of what they want to do. May not have been the case there, but I see it a lot.

Exactly. I don't think kids should be put in a bubble or anything, but pay attention to what's appropriate. Screw your plans, you're a parent.

The wife and I laugh about it, but we really can't take responsibility for our kid. He's laid back, it's just his personality. Yes, we've had the occasional issue, but for the most part, he's just a "Good Kid".
Hand slapping worked for about 5 minutes. Then, he'd commit whatever offense and walk up to one of us with his hand out.

Time outs worked up until he decided they weren't really a big deal.
He's had exactly TWO spankings (single swat on the tushy) in his 6 yrs on this planet. One for trying to stick a penny in an electric socket and once, shortly after we moved, for running headlong for the road.
My dad's favorite was writing...indefinitely. I once spent an entire weekend wrinting "I will not...". Woke up, wrote, ate, wrote, used the bath room, wrote, ate, wrote, slept. Lather, rinse, repeat. I've found it works on my kid as well. Made him write the alphabet 5 or 6 times. He got the point.
We know two couples with similarly aged kids, and I loathe getting together with them. One has decided what's most fun for him is anything that hurts someone, makes them cry or gets him in trouble.
The other, while on a "play date" at a park, took a fall, cried and was comforted by his mother. As we sat there, waiting for the tears to end, he looked her in the eye and said "If you do that to me again (apparently, he decided she had something to do with his fall), I will farking kill you" My wife and I were in wide-eyed shock while his mother laughed it off awkwardly.
Thankfully, he's very social and tends to make friends wherever we go.

/TL;DR
//I don't have anything against a swat to grab their attention
///Feel it should only be used for certain circumstances
////YMMV

BobDeluxe: apres_ski_god: Mrs.Sharpier: apres_ski_god: Mrs.Sharpier: Galileo's Daughter: ParanoidAgnostic: Mrs.Sharpier: ParanoidAgnostic: Mrs.Sharpier: Ah yes, spanking, when you're too stupid to use words.

How exactly do you reason with a 2-year-old who wants to stick his hand in the stove?

Pick them up and move them away from the stove. Tell them that "IT'S HOT"

You seriously would farking hit a toddler? Tie your tubes.

You're adorable

This. You obviously aren't a parent.



He never burned himself, never had a trip to the ER and *gasp*! He is well behaved in public!

I don't take him out if he is tired and we USE WORDS.

He is a well adjusted 5 year old now who doesn't live in fear of his parents for being hit. Violence begets violence. Apparently this is a difficult concept for lazy parents to grasp.

Each child is different... My son is very well natured and we have never had to discipline him outside of a time out and even those are so few and far between I can't remember the last time he had one... But my daughter is a whole different kettle of fish ... A total opposite of her brother and I have had to give her a quick swat on the bum a couple of times...
If you have another child be prepared to change your tune.
Your experiences are unique to you, don't assume they are the same for everybody else.

I don't necessarily think I was speaking in absolutes. There is a difference between a swat on the bum and deliberate hitting when a parent has become tired or their methods have failed them. I am arguing that it is worse for a child to be hit in the long run.

You're correct, every child is different, there is no blue print... But I can't say that if I had a more difficult child that I would endorse hitting, and if the child that acts up continued to do it after I hit them, I would definitely stop.

Yes... If a swat or two doesn't work you have to stop 'cause that's when things could get carried away... As I said in my Boobies, a spank should be the last resort but it has to be an ...

agreed. the less you use it, the more it means when you do have to spank.

How did auto correct get boobies out of whatever that word must have been?

liberal message board.... doesn't believe in spanking, working, self-responsibility, strength, earning things, I am so shocked!

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Mid_mo_mad_man: In 13+ years working at a Wal-Mart I have seen maybe 2 spankings. Mostly it's kids running wild. Not to sound racists but Asian-Americans parents of boys tend to be the worst parents. Spoiled brats running wild.
My mom keep a wooden spoon in her purse for whooping kids at the store. Never did us any harm.



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Hey! Neat graph!
Don't let the fact that it has nothing to do with the point spoil your achievement in posting it.

I'm just shocked that a Fark thread whose subject involves children has yet to have someone bust out with the word "crotchfruit" in the first 136 comments.

Given the vast sea of Farkers who know it all but do none of it, this is simply perplexing and, frankly, inexcusable. With the selection of single, self-absorbed, politically correct, empathy-replaces-actual-experience-or-knowledge crowd that Fark tends to feature, I have to wonder if there's a new comment filter in place or something.

Anyway, as a parent of 3, spanking is sometimes needed after other warnings/methods have been tried and have failed. Children aren't miniature versions of adults. They lack the associative reasoning skills of most adults and even when they can connect cause and effect they often don't apply that conclusion to their actions thus modifying what they do. They're impulsive and have the foresight of a gnat. Spanking is a means to, honestly, induce a low level of moderate pain because that IS one of the things kids try to avoid. As long as they know why they're being spanked and as long as it's a spanking and not a beating, it has a place in child rearing. It's worked for 50,000 years for a reason.

apres_ski_god: BobDeluxe: apres_ski_god: Mrs.Sharpier: apres_ski_god: Mrs.Sharpier: Galileo's Daughter: ParanoidAgnostic: Mrs.Sharpier: ParanoidAgnostic: Mrs.Sharpier: Ah yes, spanking, when you're too stupid to use words.

How exactly do you reason with a 2-year-old who wants to stick his hand in the stove?

Pick them up and move them away from the stove. Tell them that "IT'S HOT"

You seriously would farking hit a toddler? Tie your tubes.

You're adorable

This. You obviously aren't a parent.



He never burned himself, never had a trip to the ER and *gasp*! He is well behaved in public!

I don't take him out if he is tired and we USE WORDS.

He is a well adjusted 5 year old now who doesn't live in fear of his parents for being hit. Violence begets violence. Apparently this is a difficult concept for lazy parents to grasp.

Each child is different... My son is very well natured and we have never had to discipline him outside of a time out and even those are so few and far between I can't remember the last time he had one... But my daughter is a whole different kettle of fish ... A total opposite of her brother and I have had to give her a quick swat on the bum a couple of times...
If you have another child be prepared to change your tune.
Your experiences are unique to you, don't assume they are the same for everybody else.

I don't necessarily think I was speaking in absolutes. There is a difference between a swat on the bum and deliberate hitting when a parent has become tired or their methods have failed them. I am arguing that it is worse for a child to be hit in the long run.

You're correct, every child is different, there is no blue print... But I can't say that if I had a more difficult child that I would endorse hitting, and if the child that acts up continued to do it after I hit them, I would definitely stop.

Yes... If a swat or two doesn't work you have to stop 'cause that's when things could get carried away... As I said in my Boobies, a spank should be the last ...

Fark autocorrects "Boobies" to boobies. It's pretty funny actually

/boobies.

maelstrom0370: The wife and I laugh about it, but we really can't take responsibility for our kid. He's laid back, it's just his personality. Yes, we've had the occasional issue, but for the most part, he's just a "Good Kid".

Mine's the same way. He's ten, and I've never spanked him. Not because of parenting philosophy, he's just never done anything to make me consider it. What I'm afraid of is that sometimes kids do a 180 when they hit puberty. He could be perfect til he hits 14 or so, then turn into a holy terror.

BobDeluxe: apres_ski_god: BobDeluxe: apres_ski_god: Mrs.Sharpier: apres_ski_god: Mrs.Sharpier: Galileo's Daughter: ParanoidAgnostic: Mrs.Sharpier: ParanoidAgnostic: Mrs.Sharpier: Ah yes, spanking, when you're too stupid to use words.

How exactly do you reason with a 2-year-old who wants to stick his hand in the stove?

Pick them up and move them away from the stove. Tell them that "IT'S HOT"

You seriously would farking hit a toddler? Tie your tubes.

You're adorable

This. You obviously aren't a parent.



He never burned himself, never had a trip to the ER and *gasp*! He is well behaved in public!

I don't take him out if he is tired and we USE WORDS.

He is a well adjusted 5 year old now who doesn't live in fear of his parents for being hit. Violence begets violence. Apparently this is a difficult concept for lazy parents to grasp.

Each child is different... My son is very well natured and we have never had to discipline him outside of a time out and even those are so few and far between I can't remember the last time he had one... But my daughter is a whole different kettle of fish ... A total opposite of her brother and I have had to give her a quick swat on the bum a couple of times...
If you have another child be prepared to change your tune.
Your experiences are unique to you, don't assume they are the same for everybody else.

I don't necessarily think I was speaking in absolutes. There is a difference between a swat on the bum and deliberate hitting when a parent has become tired or their methods have failed them. I am arguing that it is worse for a child to be hit in the long run.

You're correct, every child is different, there is no blue print... But I can't say that if I had a more difficult child that I would endorse hitting, and if the child that acts up continued to do it after I hit them, I would definitely stop.

Yes... If a swat or two doesn't work you have to stop 'cause that's when things could get carried away... As I said in my Boobies, a spank shou ...

AHHHHHHH!!!! fark autocorrects f*rst P*st to Boobies.

apres_ski_god: How did auto correct get boobies out of whatever that word must have been?

Phrases that describe some sort of post and describing it as having occurred before all other posts (defined as being those posts which are second, or later) translates to "boobies".

Fark Logic. And do some large extent to discourage the insipid from doing this very thing incessantly.

Mrs.Sharpier: You're hilarious. Seriously, I haven't lol'd at a troll in awhile here. and your profile is rich too, good job.

Nice. Very nice. Can't dispute the point, so attack elsewhere. And then accuse me of being a troll. Interesting how the very first statement on your own profile is "Beware the irrational, however seductive," yet you take the irrational "feel-good" viewpoint.

Very nice indeed.

craig328: I'm just shocked that a Fark thread whose subject involves children has yet to have someone bust out with the word "crotchfruit" in the first 136 comments.

I prefer 'loinspawn'. And yes I've already used it.

If it's good enough for Odorous Urungus, it's good enough for me.

This isn't a complicated issue.

All types of discipline are methods of negotiation (I want you to do/not do _________. You WILL follow my instruction or else _________.)

Violence and fear can be good tools to use when negotiating.

People who rely on spanking should keep in mind that they are not just disciplining their child...... but also teaching the child how to negotiate on their own.

People who are against spanking should keep in mind that children, although simple, are still individuals...... and may not respond well to other tools that a parent may use.

Mrs.Sharpier [TotalFark] 2012-08-08 09:12:14 AM

Hermione_Granger: Study finds one in four parents spank their children in public. The other three not in Walmart that day white.

Ex-hubby called me the other day to tell me that he saw a white family in a Kroger parking lot. The 3-4 year old toddler slapped his mother across the face strong enough and loud enough for him to hear the slap. She dissolved into tears while the father did nothing.

Another school-shooter in the making while his family wonders what went wrong.

I'm gobsmacked at the stupidity of so many posters in this thread. Do you ever read? Ever?

Link

in a new study published in Pediatrics, researchers at Tulane University provide the strongest evidence yet that children's short-term response to spanking may make them act out more in the long run. Of the nearly 2,500 youngsters in the study, those who were spanked more frequently at age 3 were much more likely to be aggressive by age 5.

Furthermore, for all you tools ITT saying that "bu-bu-my daddy hit me and I am fine!"

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) does not endorse spanking under any circumstance. It's a form of punishment that becomes less effective with repeated use, according to the AAP; it also makes discipline more difficult as the child outgrows it.

the AAP also endorses getting vaccinated, do you not vaccinate your kids too?


The American Academy of Pediatrics should try raising children, not just writing about it.

Yanks_RSJ: Oh, yeah you said they'd already lost. Clearly such a concrete determination ("lost" is a result) left a lot of room for interpretation.

I've learned as a parent that each day is just a set of one situation after another, the situation presents itself, your handle it, and move on. I'm of the mindset that if you are in a situation where you get so frustrated that you only resort is spanking your kid, then you've lost that situation. Other parents have different philosophies, I was stating mine.

I never stated nor implied any sweeping generalizations about "failures as parents" or any other such nonsense. But I will keep your obviously delicate sensibilities in mind next time and use much more words than are necessary to clarify myself so your feelings don't get hurt.

Mrs.Sharpier: Galileo's Daughter: ParanoidAgnostic: Mrs.Sharpier: ParanoidAgnostic: Mrs.Sharpier: Ah yes, spanking, when you're too stupid to use words.

How exactly do you reason with a 2-year-old who wants to stick his hand in the stove?

Pick them up and move them away from the stove. Tell them that "IT'S HOT"

You seriously would farking hit a toddler? Tie your tubes.

You're adorable

This. You obviously aren't a parent.

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He never burned himself, never had a trip to the ER and *gasp*! He is well behaved in public!

I don't take him out if he is tired and we USE WORDS.

He is a well adjusted 5 year old now who doesn't live in fear of his parents for being hit. Violence begets violence. Apparently this is a difficult concept for lazy parents to grasp.

Good for you. My kids, ages 18 and 16, are also well adjusted. Don't presume that parents who spank are lazy.

HAMMERTOE: Mrs.Sharpier: You're hilarious. Seriously, I haven't lol'd at a troll in awhile here. and your profile is rich too, good job.

Nice. Very nice. Can't dispute the point, so attack elsewhere. And then accuse me of being a troll. Interesting how the very first statement on your own profile is "Beware the irrational, however seductive," yet you take the irrational "feel-good" viewpoint.

Very nice indeed.

You didn't have a point. Why don't you go play with your toys and let the grown ups talk okay?

Mrs.Sharpier: Why don't you go play with your toys and let the grown ups talk okay?

While this definitely sounds like the sort of phrase a responsible, intelligent and mature parent might use, context is kinda important here...

Full Blown Jimbo: maelstrom0370: The wife and I laugh about it, but we really can't take responsibility for our kid. He's laid back, it's just his personality. Yes, we've had the occasional issue, but for the most part, he's just a "Good Kid".

Mine's the same way. He's ten, and I've never spanked him. Not because of parenting philosophy, he's just never done anything to make me consider it. What I'm afraid of is that sometimes kids do a 180 when they hit puberty. He could be perfect til he hits 14 or so, then turn into a holy terror.

HAD to go there, didn't you? ;)

/Fully prepared to "hate" him once puberty sets in
//Not really
///Yes, really

SkunkWerks: While this definitely sounds like the sort of phrase a responsible, intelligent and mature parent might use, context is kinda important here..

See, this is why "USE WORDS" may not be the be-all end-all of discipline. Who knew?

SkunkWerks: Mrs.Sharpier: Why don't you go play with your toys and let the grown ups talk okay?

While this definitely sounds like the sort of phrase a responsible, intelligent and mature parent might use, context is kinda important here...

I'm just picking on his profile. Tit for tat and all that.

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: SkunkWerks: While this definitely sounds like the sort of phrase a responsible, intelligent and mature parent might use, context is kinda important here..

See, this is why "USE WORDS" may not be the be-all end-all of discipline. Who knew?

We're on a discussion board here pal.

SkunkWerks: Mrs.Sharpier: Why don't you go play with your toys and let the grown ups talk okay?

While this definitely sounds like the sort of phrase a responsible, intelligent and mature parent might use, context is kinda important here...

Belittlement is the last bastion of the ill-equipped.

HAMMERTOE: SkunkWerks: Mrs.Sharpier: Why don't you go play with your toys and let the grown ups talk okay?

While this definitely sounds like the sort of phrase a responsible, intelligent and mature parent might use, context is kinda important here...

Belittlement is the last bastion of the ill-equipped.

Right, let me go grab my guns, paddles and whipping sticks.

Mrs.Sharpier: HAMMERTOE: SkunkWerks: Mrs.Sharpier: Why don't you go play with your toys and let the grown ups talk okay?

While this definitely sounds like the sort of phrase a responsible, intelligent and mature parent might use, context is kinda important here...

Belittlement is the last bastion of the ill-equipped.

Right, let me go grab my guns, paddles and whipping sticks.

Your kid probably already got into them.

HAMMERTOE: Belittlement is the last bastion of the ill-equipped.

The very first thing you wrote in this thread was "belittlement" of liberals.

Galileo's Daughter: Mrs.Sharpier: HAMMERTOE: SkunkWerks: Mrs.Sharpier: Why don't you go play with your toys and let the grown ups talk okay?

While this definitely sounds like the sort of phrase a responsible, intelligent and mature parent might use, context is kinda important here...

Belittlement is the last bastion of the ill-equipped.

Right, let me go grab my guns, paddles and whipping sticks.

Your kid probably already got into them.

You're trying to make a joke? Cute.

Mrs.Sharpier: I'm just picking on his profile. Tit for tat and all that.

I must have missed the bit where he picked on your profile (no, really, I may have).

That said, for a person who earlier said "violence begets violence", the phrase "tit for tat" doesn't suit you.

I am of course assuming you are a sincere, and not in any way hypocritical individual here. If you are not that individual, it's entirely possible that this juxtaposition of phrases/philosophies may suit you very, very well.

But I really don't like to assume bad things about people I barely know, even if I happen to disagree with them.

The Homer Tax: mongbiohazard: Spanking a 3 year old when they need it is simply smart.

You think a three year old really understands what's going on if you spank them? Really? Like, you stated that they don't have the ability to reason, but that they can contemplate that you hurt them because they were doing something wrong and they shouldn't continue doing that or you will hurt them again? Also, that they have the self control to stop? Doesn't that invalidate every reason you said that you shouldn't talk to them?

If it's only to startle them and to get their attention, saying "Hey!" in a loud and forceful voice is just as effective. Seriously, has anyone ever seen a kid throwing a shiat fit in public, their parent spanked them, and the kid stopped? Has anyone ever actually seen a situation where spanking a kid made things better and not worse?

If you're at the point where you're so frustrated you need to spank your kid, you've already lost.

I don't know why you would assume that someone would have to be frustrated to spank their child. It simply does not follow. When I was a kid my dad didn't spank me when he was frustrated, he spanked me when he needed to mold my behavior

And no, loud voices don't have the same impact as a swat to the tush. Sorry, I know you'd like them to, and it would be great if they did but they don't. If you think they do you're obviously not Jewish or Italian. If you were you'd have grown up in a family where everybody was yelling all the damn time.

When you give them a swat on the tush you prompt a visceral, instinctive response. It skips the conscious part of the brain and goes right to the instinct. When a kid is very young that's the best way to teach them right from wrong because they simply do not possess the mental ability to process your well-intentioned arguments yet. The child is too young to have developed complex reasoning skills yet, but the pain response is instinctive and built in right from the get go. Young children are not simply tiny adults. It takes time for their reasoning skills to develop to the point where you can verbally teach them right from wrong.

Mrs.Sharpier: You're trying to make a joke? Cute

Not to belittle your son in the least bit, but I sincerely hope he's not learning to deal with conflict by using sarcasm and passive-aggressiveness. But whatever you think is best...

Mrs.Sharpier: Galileo's Daughter: Mrs.Sharpier: HAMMERTOE: SkunkWerks: Mrs.Sharpier: Why don't you go play with your toys and let the grown ups talk okay?

While this definitely sounds like the sort of phrase a responsible, intelligent and mature parent might use, context is kinda important here...

Belittlement is the last bastion of the ill-equipped.

Right, let me go grab my guns, paddles and whipping sticks.

Your kid probably already got into them.

You're trying to make a joke? Cute.

Now, honey, if you're going to USE WORDS like that, you're going to get a time out.

Seriously, if you don't believe in spanking your child, then don't do it. But don't judge everyone else by your own arbitrary standards. What works for your child might not work for another child and presumably you are intelligent enough to understand that.

doubled99: Prevailing Wind SmartestFunniest 2012-08-08 09:45:13 AM


Mid_mo_mad_man: In 13+ years working at a Wal-Mart I have seen maybe 2 spankings. Mostly it's kids running wild. Not to sound racists but Asian-Americans parents of boys tend to be the worst parents. Spoiled brats running wild.
My mom keep a wooden spoon in her purse for whooping kids at the store. Never did us any harm.



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Hey! Neat graph!
Don't let the fact that it has nothing to do with the point spoil your achievement in posting it.

Hey! Nice snark!
Don't let the fact that you are embarrassingly wrong spoil your achievement in writing it.

Your comment says my graph had "nothing to do with the point". As you are the one picking nits, I'll call attention to the fact that by merely including the words Asian-American in the post, it is at least contextually relevant to "the point". As the specious "point" of the original post to which my graph referred was that Asian-American parents are in someway deficient, a graph illustrating that their children actually have the highest performance in standardized tests would also be relevant in at least partially refuting "the point".

I'll confess that including a few additional graphs about rates of college completion, post graduate studies, mean salary, and entrepreneurship would have also supported the rebuttal, but this is Fark, it it wasn't worth my time to track them down.

Perhaps though you would contend that the reason for these trends has nothing to do with parental inculcation of values? Oh...maybe you're in the genetic camp. Wow. That doesn't bode well for us non-Asians does it? Random Farktroll doubled99 thinks that they are our genetic superiors and we are therefor predestined for failure! Oh Noes!

Ouch, whats worse, what does that say about Random Farktroll doubled99's opinion of blacks or Hispanics? Yoikes!

Have you considered letting the healing light of Jesus's temperance and humanity into your heart? I sincerely hope you do!

You have a lovely day now k? ...bye bye!

ParanoidAgnostic: Mrs.Sharpier: Ah yes, spanking, when you're too stupid to use words.

How exactly do you reason with a 2-year-old who wants to stick his hand in the stove?

Be a parent and make him stop. No reasoning, just keep him from doing it - you are bigger. You think the kid realizes that when he put his hand out and you beat the crap out of him that those two things are linked? You get a better link between his behaviour and your desired behavior for him if it's immediate, physical and ON POINT. So if the hand goes out when it shouldn't, grab the hand and put it somewhere else. Be calm, but raise your voice to the child and say "We don't do that"

And yes, I'm a parent. I have a difficult child. You have to repeat yourself allot. But I don't feel like a monster, my kid is getting it and he's not afraid of me.

You want to keep your kid safe and well behaved? BE A PARENT.

I don't have kids, and don't want any.

But my 3yo Border Collie is well adjusted, not aggressive, and ultra obedient. It took tons of time, patience, and commitment.

There aren't any easy fixes, parents. It takes time, energy, and being involved.

/Beat them for pleasure- and if you do it in front of me, the polite thing to do is let me get a smack or two in.