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(Gizmodo)   Report: Samsung factories make Foxconn look like the Ritz   ( gizmodo.com) divider line
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3289 clicks; posted to Geek » on 08 Aug 2012 at 10:16 AM (4 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-08-08 07:56:22 AM  
Um, duh. So do Dell's, HP's, and everyone else's. Apple's the only one that historically forced any sort of standards at all, which of course is why it's so stupid that they were targeted by greedy, lying POSes like Mike Daisey. They're just the biggest name.
 
2012-08-08 10:11:10 AM  
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2012-08-08 10:25:25 AM  
This is why I'll still eat at Chick-fil-a. If I stopped purchasing every single product by companies who did shiatty things, then I'd never be able to buy anything.
 
2012-08-08 10:30:37 AM  

MacEnvy: Um, duh. So do Dell's, HP's, and everyone else's. Apple's the only one that historically forced any sort of standards at all, which of course is why it's so stupid that they were targeted by greedy, lying POSes like Mike Daisey. They're just the biggest name.


With your handle, expect a lot of flack.
 
2012-08-08 10:30:56 AM  

TheBitterest: This is why I'll still eat at Chick-fil-a. If I stopped purchasing every single product by companies who did shiatty things, then I'd never be able to buy anything.


Iron-clad rationalization.
 
2012-08-08 10:32:13 AM  
I have to say, that underage slave labor makes a superior product though.
 
2012-08-08 10:33:30 AM  
Well duh. Samsung's customers don't have any illusions that they're "different". That's why this doesn't get traction. There's no cult to anger, so there's no backlash. Half the Apple brew-haha was a result of iDolts fighting the accusations.
 
2012-08-08 10:34:16 AM  

MacEnvy: Um, duh. So do Dell's, HP's, and everyone else's. Apple's the only one that historically forced any sort of standards at all, which of course is why it's so stupid that they were targeted by greedy, lying POSes like Mike Daisey. They're just the biggest name.


QFT. The Apple boycott was done out of greed and/or hipster bashing and nothing else. Everyone I met who was calling for a boycott of Apple was already not buying any Apple products. They had no concern for the plight of Foxconn's workers; they just wanted to make fun of Apple and Apple users.

If you're gonna call for a boycott of Apple, you'd better boycott everyone else in the electronics biz, too. To do otherwise would make you a lying hypocrite.
 
2012-08-08 10:35:15 AM  

TheBitterest: This is why I'll still eat at Chick-fil-a. If I stopped purchasing every single product by companies who did shiatty things, then I'd never be able to buy anything.


It's a little easier to choose not to buy a chicken sandwich than it is to not buy what amounts to a modern lifestyle necessity. Sort of a false equivalency here. Just sayin.
 
2012-08-08 10:35:46 AM  
Just bought a new, shiny Samsung Galaxy S3 so I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2012-08-08 10:36:08 AM  
This is merely the free hand of a competive market at work, and occasionally that free hand slaps a child to get them on their feet and back to maximizing their profit potential.
 
2012-08-08 10:36:24 AM  
Honestly I thought the production of a lot of these products were 100% automated.
 
2012-08-08 10:36:27 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Well duh. Samsung's customers don't have any illusions that they're "different". That's why this doesn't get traction. There's no cult to anger, so there's no backlash. Half the Apple brew-haha was a result of iDolts fighting the accusations.


See? No concern for the plight of workers, just useless Apple bashing. Thanks for providing an example of what I was talking about.

Note: I've owned one used iPod and no other Apple products in my lifetime. I am not one of the people you so idiotically refer to as iDolts.
 
2012-08-08 10:36:35 AM  
What I want to know is when the prices of hard drives are going to drop to levels before the frigging flood again!
 
2012-08-08 10:36:44 AM  
This is why I only buy organically grown, free-range electronics.
 
2012-08-08 10:39:35 AM  

TheBitterest: This is why I'll still eat at Chick-fil-a. If I stopped purchasing every single product by companies who did shiatty things, then I'd never be able to buy anything.


What if the Chick-fil-a sammich is made by forced child labor?
 
2012-08-08 10:41:54 AM  

Theaetetus: MacEnvy: Um, duh. So do Dell's, HP's, and everyone else's. Apple's the only one that historically forced any sort of standards at all, which of course is why it's so stupid that they were targeted by greedy, lying POSes like Mike Daisey. They're just the biggest name.

With your handle, expect a lot of flack.


That's alright, it wouldn't be the first time. I've had this username on various forums longer than most people have been on the Internet.

The funny part is that I'm a Windows Server/Red Hat engineer and I don't even own a Mac. Although I am occasionally envious.
 
2012-08-08 10:44:34 AM  

MacEnvy: The funny part is that I'm a Windows Server/Red Hat engineer and I don't even own a Mac. Although I am occasionally envious.


www.starnet.com
Not without good reason.
 
2012-08-08 10:50:34 AM  
Whatever keeps the kids out of trouble is fine by me
 
2012-08-08 10:55:10 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Well duh. Samsung's customers don't have any illusions that they're "different". That's why this doesn't get traction. There's no cult to anger, so there's no backlash. Half the Apple brew-haha was a result of iDolts fighting the accusations.


So Penn State?
 
2012-08-08 10:56:55 AM  

nitefallz: Honestly I thought the production of a lot of these products were 100% automated.


That would honestly make sense, but I have a feeling the reason they've resorted to having humans do it is because each model of a top consumer product requires a redesign at least once every year or two. This probably means that the assembly line would have to be retooled and tested to properly assemble the new electronic configuration. A human could just be told "put the blue chip here instead of there." Probably also comes down to that they have to assemble different types of products as well and an automated facility wouldn't be that flexible.

/I am not a high-output assembly line designer, nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.
 
2012-08-08 10:58:03 AM  
MacEnvy: Apple's the only one that historically forced any sort of standards at all, which of course is why it's so stupid that they were targeted by greedy, lying POSes like Mike Daisey.

Samsung is a component manufacturer for Apple.

MacEnvy: I've had this username on various forums longer than most people have been on the Internet.

You were hip before hip was cool, eh? I keed... I keed...
 
2012-08-08 10:59:07 AM  

wmoonfox: MacEnvy: Apple's the only one that historically forced any sort of standards at all, which of course is why it's so stupid that they were targeted by greedy, lying POSes like Mike Daisey.

Samsung is a component manufacturer for Apple.

MacEnvy: I've had this username on various forums longer than most people have been on the Internet.

You were hip before hip was cool, eh? I keed... I keed...


Oh my no, I was uncool before it was cool.
 
2012-08-08 10:59:40 AM  
Where is Jimmy Hoffa when you need him? Somebody should go burn those motherfarking factories to the ground.
 
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2012-08-08 11:11:43 AM  
So now they need suicide nets AND band-aids?

HOW ARE SHAREHOLDERS GOING TO MAKE ANY MONEY WITH THESE EXPECTATIONS IN PLACE?
 
2012-08-08 11:28:30 AM  
Gizmodo is so far in the bag for Apple shiat that their press coverage of any non-Apple desktop/laptop/phone amounts to jeering it for being insufficiently or overly Apple-like.
 
2012-08-08 11:41:22 AM  
Are they the ones I should be complaining about my battery life to?
 
2012-08-08 12:08:36 PM  
And here I thought my job was a beating.
 
2012-08-08 12:10:44 PM  
This is the one area where it's okay for Samsung to copy Apple. Too bad they won't.
 
2012-08-08 12:13:33 PM  

nitefallz: Honestly I thought the production of a lot of these products were 100% automated.


100% automated kids.
 
2012-08-08 12:14:55 PM  
Does Apple still buy some technology from Samsung... so they are just as guilty for supporting this.

Poor labor conditions in China are nothing new to the manufacturing... Hipster and Media outrage is 30+ years late on the subject.
 
2012-08-08 01:20:41 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Does Apple still buy some technology from Samsung... so they are just as guilty for supporting this.

Poor labor conditions in China are nothing new to the manufacturing... Hipster and Media outrage is 30+ years late on the subject.


Half of the outsourcing story is labor costs, the other half is we get to outsource our pollution.

The bonus is that americans get to act all smug and holier than thou.

A pox on both parties in this country for allowing this:

1. millions of good factory jobs sent overseas
2. incalculable damage to the environment from those overseas factories
3. allowing slave/child labor practices in those same factories.

But hey, my smart phone only costs $400 instead of $800, so it's all good!
 
2012-08-08 02:17:37 PM  
Wow. Gizmodo's just an Apple agitprop warehouse these days, eh?
 
2012-08-08 02:46:10 PM  
Man i hope foxconn can keep cheap labor... people should realize that these 3rd world cheap labor workers are what keep them in $300 computers and not $2000 computers.. and cheap shoes.. clothes.. everything...

P.S. i love the pic of someone getting a bandaid on their boo-boo... i broke both wrists in a factory accident.. no cameras or love then:)
 
2012-08-08 02:46:16 PM  
Have they no f*cking shame? Is there anything of Apple's that they won't copy?
 
2012-08-08 02:57:21 PM  

Theaetetus: MacEnvy: The funny part is that I'm a Windows Server/Red Hat engineer and I don't even own a Mac. Although I am occasionally envious.

[www.starnet.com image 660x590]
Not without good reason.


Oh Jesus, that is insanely ugly on so many levels.

That aside, and back to the issue at hand, I don't give a shiat about child labor or the exploitation of third world countries. I'm happy with inexpensive goods and the lesser impact they have on my wallet.
 
2012-08-08 03:02:25 PM  
Man, good thing all I did when I was 13 was work in >100 degree heat, get cut up by wire, work with dangerous farm implements, etc. and make hay/straw.
 
2012-08-08 04:38:04 PM  
I see from the lack of posts in this thread that fandroids are all about human compassion and worker's human rights but they are only needed in Apple factories.

Where's the outrage now?
 
2012-08-08 05:08:42 PM  
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2012-08-08 05:16:26 PM  

Surool: I see from the lack of posts in this thread that fandroids are all about human compassion and worker's human rights but they are only needed in Apple factories.

Where's the outrage now?


Samsung makes most of the components in the various iProducts so before you start chirping about how much better Foxconn workers have it, realise Apple still isn't helping. Both Samsung and Apple are exploiting third world labour. If there's a lack of outrage is probably due to the smugness factor of Apple and its consumers, of which your post was an excellent example.
 
2012-08-08 05:58:20 PM  
Funny, I seem to recall a recent thread where farkers were INSISTING that Samsung products are made in South Korea with modern, first world working conditions. Looks like that's far from the case. Surprise!
 
2012-08-08 06:05:22 PM  

NutznGum: Surool: I see from the lack of posts in this thread that fandroids are all about human compassion and worker's human rights but they are only needed in Apple factories.

Where's the outrage now?

Samsung makes most of the components in the various iProducts so before you start chirping about how much better Foxconn workers have it, realise Apple still isn't helping. Both Samsung and Apple are exploiting third world labour. If there's a lack of outrage is probably due to the smugness factor of Apple and its consumers, of which your post was an excellent example.


Apple is the only company who did anything about working conditions after the reports came out about Foxconn. In your eyes, Apple is now responsible for investigating and policing Samsung factories. You are a complete sh*tbag. You are still not outraged because it is Samsung in the crosshairs. Hypocritical coont.

I have bought nothing from Apple since the reports came out... even after they made changes. Fandroids are worse that the most fanatical Apple dorks.
 
2012-08-08 06:08:36 PM  
Well Apple do insist that Samsung is copying them only not doing it as well. Just as well Samsungs wage slaves didn't have exactly the same rounded corners as Apples wage slaves, because then there would be an outcry.
 
2012-08-08 06:31:15 PM  

thurstonxhowell: If you're gonna call for a boycott of Apple, you'd better boycott everyone else in the electronics biz, too. To do otherwise would make you a lying hypocrite.


Both sides are bad, so buy Apple!

/Google claims that the Nexus 7 is "designed and manufactured in the USA", as opposed to Apple's products that are "assembled in China".
 
2012-08-08 06:50:32 PM  

Surool: NutznGum: Surool: I see from the lack of posts in this thread that fandroids are all about human compassion and worker's human rights but they are only needed in Apple factories.

Where's the outrage now?

Samsung makes most of the components in the various iProducts so before you start chirping about how much better Foxconn workers have it, realise Apple still isn't helping. Both Samsung and Apple are exploiting third world labour. If there's a lack of outrage is probably due to the smugness factor of Apple and its consumers, of which your post was an excellent example.

Apple is the only company who did anything about working conditions after the reports came out about Foxconn. In your eyes, Apple is now responsible for investigating and policing Samsung factories. You are a complete sh*tbag. You are still not outraged because it is Samsung in the crosshairs. Hypocritical coont.

I have bought nothing from Apple since the reports came out... even after they made changes. Fandroids are worse that the most fanatical Apple dorks.


Yes, you're so much better and you were so outraged and concerned about the plight of the Chinese factory worker that you took the time to write a post gloating over the 'Fandroids' about their hypocrisy. You made this Apple vs Samsung/Android before I did.......Hypocritical coont.

I pretty much just mirrored your original post but with the 'fandroid' angle. You don't even realize that. You call me a sh*tbag for responding to you in kind......Hypocritical coont.
 
2012-08-08 07:19:42 PM  
NutznGum: All you did was make excuses for Samsung... and found a way to try and throw Apple under the bus for Samsung's factory conditions. You are pathetic. Either ALL of the factory workers being exploited are bad, or you don't care. You don't get to pick and choose which workers are worth your sympathy based on the products they pump out. Nor can you expect Apple to be responsible for policing Samsung's factories.

Samsung own's this, just like Apple owns their part of the Foxconn mess.
 
2012-08-08 07:38:10 PM  

nitefallz: Honestly I thought the production of a lot of these products were 100% automated.


Quite the reverse in fact. Human hands are wicked quick and can manipulate weird shaped objects far easier than a machine; we also don't require major retooling everytime a product changes.

We're also pretty good at pulling a part from a bin, looking at it and just knowing it's defective (i.e. gut feeling) and so bring a spare with us and the form to send the defective part back for recycling; a machine would have to make two trips... probably multiple machines as well.

Now the big bits were probably all machine made (with minor to moderate human oversight and involvement) but final assembly and packaging? Done by hand.
 
2012-08-08 07:41:24 PM  

MrEricSir: Funny, I seem to recall a recent thread where farkers were INSISTING that Samsung products are made in South Korea with modern, first world working conditions. Looks like that's far from the case. Surprise!


Was that the thread where we posted pictures of the Foxconn product lines and you could see a Samsung branded device on the conveyor? I know the one with the 360 controllers does the rounds occasionally so I get confuzled.

Anyone who thought they were making it in South Korea is a moron, NORTH Korea maybe (cheap labour) but no way in hell South, just too damn expensive.
 
2012-08-08 07:45:32 PM  

Theaetetus: MacEnvy: The funny part is that I'm a Windows Server/Red Hat engineer and I don't even own a Mac. Although I am occasionally envious.

[www.starnet.com image 660x590]
Not without good reason.


Dafug? Looks like an alu iMac but in polycarb, keyboard looks like the ones that game with the old G5 iMac I had ages ago (good keyboard).

Ok, I give in. The hell is that thing?
 
2012-08-08 07:48:46 PM  

Without Fail:
/Google claims that the Nexus 7 is "designed and manufactured in the USA", as opposed to Apple's products that are "assembled in China".


Is that the 7 where the screen likes to unscrew itself? Perhaps they should of just gone to Foxconn and got their quality and experience in such things behind them.

/You pay Foxconn to make good stuff they'll make good stuff. Pay em to just make it, it'll work but well.
 
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