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(SeattlePI)   For the record, if you're a naturopathic physician treating patients at a concert called Hempfest and you end up recommending medical marijuana cards for 200 people, the Department of Health is probably going to ask you some questions   (seattlepi.com ) divider line 59
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2012-08-08 03:20:19 PM  

alice_600: BTW no matter what you say it's still smoke your inhaling.


Except our lungs don't care about generic "smoke", in the abstract. They care about very specific kinds of particles and do an excellent job of trapping most particles in the mucus and kick that junk right back out. Tobacco smoke, in specific, contains a bunch of stuff that specifically make the tobacco smoke easier, and have the side effect of increasing how difficult it is for our lungs to filter out, and specifically cause problems. They've absolutely ruled out moderate use damaging lungs, and recent studies are starting to add up that indicate that marijuana stimulates your lungs enough to produce extra mucus, but comes out cleanly, with the end result being low level smokers have health benefits from the smoke.

It's a fun drug, and a powerful tool. That won't stop other powerful tools from being unable to control themselves faced with temptation.
 
2012-08-08 03:46:32 PM  
Why is the government getting between these people and their doctor?
 
2012-08-08 04:05:49 PM  
Hempfest at 4:20pm is truly a magical place to be

/or so I've heard
 
2012-08-08 04:50:45 PM  
Mr Guy: Except our lungs don't care about generic "smoke", in the abstract. They care about very specific kinds of particles and do an excellent job of trapping most particles in the mucus and kick that junk right back out. Tobacco smoke, in specific, contains a bunch of stuff that specifically make the tobacco smoke easier, and have the side effect of increasing how difficult it is for our lungs to filter out, and specifically cause problems. They've absolutely ruled out moderate use damaging lungs, and recent studies are starting to add up that indicate that marijuana stimulates your lungs enough to produce extra mucus, but comes out cleanly, with the end result being low level smokers have health benefits from the smoke.

And what study showed this? Care to link it? The medical consensus among the major groups (ACS and AHA, in particular) is that there is no difference in cardiovascular or pulmonary risk factors between tobacco cigarette and marijuana use. While there is some evidence that the cancer risk may be SLIGHTLY less, the other risks are still there.
 
2012-08-08 05:12:37 PM  

BronyMedic: Mr Guy: Except our lungs don't care about generic "smoke", in the abstract. They care about very specific kinds of particles and do an excellent job of trapping most particles in the mucus and kick that junk right back out. Tobacco smoke, in specific, contains a bunch of stuff that specifically make the tobacco smoke easier, and have the side effect of increasing how difficult it is for our lungs to filter out, and specifically cause problems. They've absolutely ruled out moderate use damaging lungs, and recent studies are starting to add up that indicate that marijuana stimulates your lungs enough to produce extra mucus, but comes out cleanly, with the end result being low level smokers have health benefits from the smoke.

And what study showed this? Care to link it? The medical consensus among the major groups (ACS and AHA, in particular) is that there is no difference in cardiovascular or pulmonary risk factors between tobacco cigarette and marijuana use. While there is some evidence that the cancer risk may be SLIGHTLY less, the other risks are still there.


Well, here's an article that refers to a government study that long term marijuana use does not impair lung function.. Link

It's not the same as Mr Guy's claim, but better than yours. Also, I have not heard that long term marijuana use causes lung cancer, which you certainly hear about with tobacco use.

I even read an article that suggests that cannabis has protective properties against cancer.
 
2012-08-08 05:29:43 PM  

AeAe: Also, I have not heard that long term marijuana use causes lung cancer, which you certainly hear about with tobacco use.


If it did, don't you think there would be at least one documented case of death from a marijuana only user? I can't sit here and promise anyone that smoking MJ won't ever give you cancer, but the fact that no one has ever died from cannabis use suggests that maybe, just maybe, it's not as harmful as other forms of smoke.

AeAe: I even read an article that suggests that cannabis has protective properties against cancer.


I've read that too, but I don't remember where. Wish I had a link.
 
2012-08-08 07:11:12 PM  

khyberkitsune: alice_600: then if that's the case and Pot is such a damn cure. It shouldn't be a smoking drug. Nope it should be a pill dispensed by the government via a pharmacy. No head shops or anything. BTW no matter what you say it's still smoke your inhaling.

Protip: Sometimes a pill or edible form of a drug won't work due to a person's unique body chemistry.

Example, my 30th birthday back in July, I go to the dispensary.

They give me four free cupcakes, each with 3.5 grams of BHO (heated up and decarboxylated, ready for work on a human body.)

I ate all four in 5 minutes.

Two hours later, not a goddamned thing.

I smoked one nice tiny hashy moon rock five hours later, and actually lose the pain in my legs and back.


Ah, the nocebo/placebo effect. If you don't believe a treatment will work, you will report higher levels of pain (yes, there's a study showing this). Chronic pain has a large psychiatric component to it in the majority of patients.

If the people treating your pain are not using a multidisciplinary approach that includes a psychologist or psychiatrist, and an occupational therapist, then they're failing you.

/Has actually worked in a Pain Clinic with real doctors
//THC at the levels available in weed is moderately effective in treating pain, sometimes
///No, potheads, it's not a miracle cure, stop using sick people to advance your agenda
 
2012-08-09 12:44:06 AM  
AeAe: Well, here's an article that refers to a government study that long term marijuana use does not impair lung function.. Link

It's not the same as Mr Guy's claim, but better than yours. Also, I have not heard that long term marijuana use causes lung cancer, which you certainly hear about with tobacco use.

I even read an article that suggests that cannabis has protective properties against cancer.


From the very article you linked: Correction: A headline on an earlier version of this post did not reflect the researchers' findings that lung function was compromised after 10 or more joint-years of exposure.

Bruxellensis:
If it did, don't you think there would be at least one documented case of death from a marijuana only user? I can't sit here and promise anyone that smoking MJ won't ever give you cancer, but the fact that no one has ever died from cannabis use suggests that maybe, just maybe, it's not as harmful as other forms of smoke.

http://copd.about.com/b/2008/12/08/does-regular-marijuana-smoking-lea d -to-copd.htm

In the November issue of Chest Physician, the association of regular marijuana smoking with chronic respiratory symptoms was examined in three published studies of young and middle aged adults residing in Los Angeles, California, Wellington, New Zealand and Tuscon, Arizona. All three studies showed a correlation between the smoking of marijuana and chronic bronchitis, independent of the effects of cigarette smoking.

Goddamnit, you true believers are disingenuous.
 
2012-08-09 10:07:19 AM  

BronyMedic: In the November issue of Chest Physician, the association of regular marijuana smoking with chronic respiratory symptoms was examined in three published studies of young and middle aged adults residing in Los Angeles, California, Wellington, New Zealand and Tuscon, Arizona. All three studies showed a correlation between the smoking of marijuana and chronic bronchitis, independent of the effects of cigarette smoking.

Goddamnit, you true believers are disingenuous.


dafuq? Riiiiiight.

Oh, and that's not death, not even cancer.

Oh, and another thing - from wiki:
Chronic bronchitis, a type of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, is characterized by the presence of a productive cough that lasts for three months or more per year for at least two years. Chronic bronchitis most often develops due to recurrent injury to the airways caused by inhaled irritants. Cigarette smoking is the most common cause, followed by air pollution and occupational exposure to irritants.[1]

So they somehow decided that their cigarette smoking had nothing to do with it, and it was all the pot they were smoking. I see. And you believe that?

God, you haters are so disingenuous.
 
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