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(SeattlePI)   For the record, if you're a naturopathic physician treating patients at a concert called Hempfest and you end up recommending medical marijuana cards for 200 people, the Department of Health is probably going to ask you some questions   (seattlepi.com) divider line 59
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2012-08-08 10:02:07 AM
But I can still keep my card right?
 
2012-08-08 10:02:35 AM
Where's the Line form??
DAMN YOU MARYLAND and the FEDERAL GUBMENT!!!
/just make it legal already.
 
2012-08-08 10:03:35 AM
This stupid decriminalization thing is the worst of all situations. Just make it farking legal and be done with it.
 
2012-08-08 10:04:25 AM
why do you people wanna do weed so bad??

if you find a partner to love why would it matter what is illegal??
 
2012-08-08 10:04:33 AM
♪♫ Weed card, it's what I need... ♪♫

Link (pops)
 
2012-08-08 10:04:33 AM
Hey, doc. I got this medical problem. It's called being out of weeditis.
 
2012-08-08 10:05:42 AM
Thanks PI for telling us all where to go to get a card.

*checks insurance
 
2012-08-08 10:05:51 AM
Well, he did bring his own ambulance.
www.freecoversworld.com
 
2012-08-08 10:06:13 AM
Legalize it.
 
2012-08-08 10:06:21 AM
I wonder what a naturopathic physician would prescribe for cotton mouth or the munchies?
 
2012-08-08 10:06:47 AM
So, let 'em ask. I'm sure there's a stock answer for each question that will consternate their investigation yet somehow remain within the bounds of the law.
 
2012-08-08 10:07:29 AM

fragMasterFlash: I wonder what a naturopathic physician would prescribe for cotton mouth or the munchies?


http://getunreal.com/
 
2012-08-08 10:08:47 AM

medieval: So, let 'em ask. I'm sure there's a stock answer for each question that will consternate their investigation yet somehow remain within the bounds of the law.


I'm sure.
Those dispensaries are all over town. They can't be the only doctors giving those cards out.
 
2012-08-08 10:09:37 AM

fragMasterFlash: I wonder what a naturopathic physician would prescribe for cotton mouth or the munchies?


Water and food.
 
2012-08-08 10:11:07 AM

medieval: So, let 'em ask. I'm sure there's a stock answer for each question that will consternate their investigation yet somehow remain within the bounds of the law.


The bounds of patient confidentiality prevent me from discussing my patients conditions.
 
2012-08-08 10:13:00 AM
Does this mean we can finally stop issuing medical licenses to quacks naturopaths?
 
2012-08-08 10:14:43 AM

trappedspirit: Hey, doc. I got this medical problem. It's called being out of weeditis.


art.penny-arcade.com

I actually got diagnosed with an arthritic spine yesterday (I'm just shy of 28), which is one of the things weed can for-real-life actually help. Not that Illinois will ever legalize medicinal marijuana for anyone who can't buy an alderman, but it does make a case for moving to a more enlightened state. It's probably better long term to get high a few times a week rather than burn a hole in my stomach with NSAIDs.
 
2012-08-08 10:16:10 AM
Wait... naturopath is something that actually exists? Subby didn't make that up for the headline? Huh.
 
2012-08-08 10:16:45 AM

fragMasterFlash: I wonder what a naturopathic physician would prescribe for cotton mouth or the munchies?


Mountain Dew Dew and Doritos
 
2012-08-08 10:18:49 AM

the local dispensary :


www.realdetroitweekly.com
 
2012-08-08 10:24:33 AM
I thought a naturopath hated nature? Does this mean I should be visiting a psychopath for my depression?
 
2012-08-08 10:29:36 AM
They allow naturopaths to "prescribe" medical maryjane? I'm totally in the wrong field...

/Real doctor
 
2012-08-08 10:38:34 AM
See, potheads? This is why a lot of people don't take the arguments for medical marijuana seriously. Even people who think it should be legalized entirely.
 
2012-08-08 10:44:53 AM

fragMasterFlash: I wonder what a naturopathic physician would prescribe for cotton mouth or the munchies?


soda and doritos. or cheese puffs.
 
2012-08-08 10:46:09 AM
Naturopathic "physician"? I thought that was some sort of contradiction in terms. You know, just like how chiropractors and dentists aren't real doctors either.
 
2012-08-08 10:47:33 AM
Marijuana should absolutely be illegal... Look how much more damage it causes than alcohol and tobacco!
 
2012-08-08 10:48:18 AM

Satanic_Hamster: See, potheads? This is why a lot of people don't take the arguments for medical marijuana seriously. Even people who think it should be legalized entirely.


Just because a lot people fake a condition so they can get weed doesn't mean it not medically efficacious.
 
2012-08-08 10:53:51 AM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: I thought a naturopath hated nature? Does this mean I should be visiting a psychopath for my depression?


No, don't! Psychopaths hate psychos.
 
2012-08-08 10:55:35 AM
A more important question is why naturopathic "doctors" are allowed to prescribe anything. By definition they are quacks, unfit to be dispensing any sort of medical advice let alone prescription drugs.
 
2012-08-08 11:09:58 AM
naturopathic physician

Vegan carnivore? Abstinent drunk?
 
2012-08-08 11:16:15 AM
And not a single person was harmed that day...
 
2012-08-08 11:22:29 AM

AeAe: Satanic_Hamster: See, potheads? This is why a lot of people don't take the arguments for medical marijuana seriously. Even people who think it should be legalized entirely.

Just because a lot people fake a condition so they can get weed doesn't mean it not medically efficacious.


Yes, I know that (and agree with that). But perception is key for a lot of people. If the number of obvious "fakers" is too large and blatant about it, far fewer people will take the legitimate arguments seriously.
 
2012-08-08 11:29:24 AM

Satanic_Hamster: AeAe: Satanic_Hamster: See, potheads? This is why a lot of people don't take the arguments for medical marijuana seriously. Even people who think it should be legalized entirely.

Just because a lot people fake a condition so they can get weed doesn't mean it not medically efficacious.

Yes, I know that (and agree with that). But perception is key for a lot of people. If the number of obvious "fakers" is too large and blatant about it, far fewer people will take the legitimate arguments seriously.


Pretty much. They're not being smart about this, at all.
 
2012-08-08 11:56:50 AM
A patient?
 
2012-08-08 11:58:26 AM
This time with the pic...

s-ak.buzzfed.com
 
2012-08-08 12:07:46 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Satanic_Hamster: AeAe: Satanic_Hamster: See, potheads? This is why a lot of people don't take the arguments for medical marijuana seriously. Even people who think it should be legalized entirely.

Just because a lot people fake a condition so they can get weed doesn't mean it not medically efficacious.

Yes, I know that (and agree with that). But perception is key for a lot of people. If the number of obvious "fakers" is too large and blatant about it, far fewer people will take the legitimate arguments seriously.

Pretty much. They're not being smart about this, at all.


On the contrary, I feel that it's just proof that prohibition is ineffective. I have a medical card for a bogus reason because I would rather not have to serve time in double digits for an 8th. Do I smoke it because I like it? Heck yes. Do I think that people who have a genuine medical problem should have access to it? Of course! Is this prohibition helping anybody? Absolutely not.
 
2012-08-08 12:10:55 PM
I need to get that small toad or dwarf living in my stomach high so it will stop causing bad body humors.
 
2012-08-08 12:25:01 PM
In other news, Department of Health protects profits of Big Pharma, Tobabacoo and Alcohol.
 
2012-08-08 12:38:09 PM

kisseswookies: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Satanic_Hamster: AeAe: Satanic_Hamster: See, potheads? This is why a lot of people don't take the arguments for medical marijuana seriously. Even people who think it should be legalized entirely.

Just because a lot people fake a condition so they can get weed doesn't mean it not medically efficacious.

Yes, I know that (and agree with that). But perception is key for a lot of people. If the number of obvious "fakers" is too large and blatant about it, far fewer people will take the legitimate arguments seriously.

Pretty much. They're not being smart about this, at all.

On the contrary, I feel that it's just proof that prohibition is ineffective. I have a medical card for a bogus reason because I would rather not have to serve time in double digits for an 8th. Do I smoke it because I like it? Heck yes. Do I think that people who have a genuine medical problem should have access to it? Of course! Is this prohibition helping anybody? Absolutely not.


I think we're commenting on different things here. What Hamster is saying (if I understand him correctly), is that people who aren't really sick but get cards undermine the MMJ movement - which I agree with. That said, I can't say I would blame anyone for doing something like that to get a mostly benign drug for recreational purposes. I fully support across-the-board legalization for cannabis.
 
2012-08-08 12:57:33 PM
I am so glad I live in a country where the gubmint will intervene where my doctor and I have agreed on a treatment regimen...to save me from myself. Thanks Uncle Sam. I am so happy you know more about my health care needs than my doctor and me.
 
2012-08-08 12:57:55 PM

AeAe: kisseswookies: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Satanic_Hamster: AeAe: Satanic_Hamster: See, potheads? This is why a lot of people don't take the arguments for medical marijuana seriously. Even people who think it should be legalized entirely.

Just because a lot people fake a condition so they can get weed doesn't mean it not medically efficacious.

Yes, I know that (and agree with that). But perception is key for a lot of people. If the number of obvious "fakers" is too large and blatant about it, far fewer people will take the legitimate arguments seriously.

Pretty much. They're not being smart about this, at all.

On the contrary, I feel that it's just proof that prohibition is ineffective. I have a medical card for a bogus reason because I would rather not have to serve time in double digits for an 8th. Do I smoke it because I like it? Heck yes. Do I think that people who have a genuine medical problem should have access to it? Of course! Is this prohibition helping anybody? Absolutely not.

I think we're commenting on different things here. What Hamster is saying (if I understand him correctly), is that people who aren't really sick but get cards undermine the MMJ movement - which I agree with. That said, I can't say I would blame anyone for doing something like that to get a mostly benign drug for recreational purposes. I fully support across-the-board legalization for cannabis.


This also shows that quite a lot of people go through the steps and pay the fees to become legal - that they don't want trouble, and they don't necessarily want to be breaking the law. These card holders (the ones who don't have legit medical need) aren't the violent drug ring type, they're the harmless recreational types who just want to enjoy it without the risk. I very much so agree that it should be legalized.
 
2012-08-08 01:17:21 PM
then if that's the case and Pot is such a damn cure. It shouldn't be a smoking drug. Nope it should be a pill dispensed by the government via a pharmacy. No head shops or anything. BTW no matter what you say it's still smoke your inhaling.
 
2012-08-08 01:23:47 PM

alice_600: then if that's the case and Pot is such a damn cure. It shouldn't be a smoking drug. Nope it should be a pill dispensed by the government via a pharmacy. No head shops or anything. BTW no matter what you say it's still smoke your inhaling.


First of all, you can also consume "edibles". Two, vaporizing doesn't ignite the plant material, so, No, that's that not smoke. And, three, what's wrong with smoking it?

Yes, you're probably inhaling some bad crap, but probably no worse than walking downtown during rush hour.
 
2012-08-08 01:33:38 PM

alice_600: then if that's the case and Pot is such a damn cure. It shouldn't be a smoking drug. Nope it should be a pill dispensed by the government via a pharmacy. No head shops or anything. BTW no matter what you say it's still smoke your inhaling.


then we could smash up the pill and vaporize the THC. in a light bulb instead of a glass pipe
 
2012-08-08 01:38:48 PM
Well, the first thing is that if you call yourself a "naturopathic" physician, you should be pointed at and laughed at, and your patents need to run. Run far, far away. Alternative medicine is a great way to end up dead after they take your money while selling you false hope and snake oil.

/What's the harm? - http://whatstheharm.net/naturopathy.html

Bruxellensis: These card holders (the ones who don't have legit medical need) aren't the violent drug ring type, they're the harmless recreational types who just want to enjoy it without the risk.

And these people do more to hurt the pro-legalization movement than anything else, and they also hurt the side of legitimate medical uses for cannabinoid compounds.
 
2012-08-08 01:48:18 PM

BronyMedic: Bruxellensis: These card holders (the ones who don't have legit medical need) aren't the violent drug ring type, they're the harmless recreational types who just want to enjoy it without the risk.

And these people do more to hurt the pro-legalization movement than anything else, and they also hurt the side of legitimate medical uses for cannabinoid compounds.


And that's the major point. There is a legitimate debate in legalizing pot for both normal and medical use. It's when they try to combine the two issues is when there's a credibility problem. There's a lot of states that are considering medical marijuana laws that are holding back because they see nothing but liars/scam artists faking problems just to get high legally.
 
2012-08-08 02:03:24 PM

BronyMedic: Well, the first thing is that if you call yourself a "naturopathic" physician, you should be pointed at and laughed at, and your patents need to run. Run far, far away. Alternative medicine is a great way to end up dead after they take your money while selling you false hope and snake oil.

/What's the harm? - http://whatstheharm.net/naturopathy.html

Bruxellensis: These card holders (the ones who don't have legit medical need) aren't the violent drug ring type, they're the harmless recreational types who just want to enjoy it without the risk.

And these people do more to hurt the pro-legalization movement than anything else, and they also hurt the side of legitimate medical uses for cannabinoid compounds.


That's only true because ignorant (and/or staunchly anti-MJ) people see it from the wrong perspective. It's labeled as corrupt and immoral, yet it's painting a bigger picture that people need to see: people want to enjoy a relatively harmless drug without legal risk, and without risk of violent crime that's sometimes associated with the black market. It shows that people are willing to jump through a few hoops and pay a fee to do what they've already been doing, but with significantly reduced risk to themselves and others. These people aren't the violent criminal types that are often included with the stigma of people involved with illegal drugs.
 
2012-08-08 02:22:42 PM
"medical marijuana" Haha. That's the funniest oxymoron I've ever heard.
 
2012-08-08 02:23:08 PM

alice_600: then if that's the case and Pot is such a damn cure. It shouldn't be a smoking drug. Nope it should be a pill dispensed by the government via a pharmacy. No head shops or anything. BTW no matter what you say it's still smoke your inhaling.


Protip: Sometimes a pill or edible form of a drug won't work due to a person's unique body chemistry.

Example, my 30th birthday back in July, I go to the dispensary.

They give me four free cupcakes, each with 3.5 grams of BHO (heated up and decarboxylated, ready for work on a human body.)

I ate all four in 5 minutes.

Two hours later, not a goddamned thing.

I smoked one nice tiny hashy moon rock five hours later, and actually lose the pain in my legs and back.
 
2012-08-08 02:41:05 PM

CrappityCrap: "medical marijuana" Haha. That's the funniest oxymoron I've ever heard.


Your name is appropriate to your opinion.
 
2012-08-08 03:20:19 PM

alice_600: BTW no matter what you say it's still smoke your inhaling.


Except our lungs don't care about generic "smoke", in the abstract. They care about very specific kinds of particles and do an excellent job of trapping most particles in the mucus and kick that junk right back out. Tobacco smoke, in specific, contains a bunch of stuff that specifically make the tobacco smoke easier, and have the side effect of increasing how difficult it is for our lungs to filter out, and specifically cause problems. They've absolutely ruled out moderate use damaging lungs, and recent studies are starting to add up that indicate that marijuana stimulates your lungs enough to produce extra mucus, but comes out cleanly, with the end result being low level smokers have health benefits from the smoke.

It's a fun drug, and a powerful tool. That won't stop other powerful tools from being unable to control themselves faced with temptation.
 
2012-08-08 03:46:32 PM
Why is the government getting between these people and their doctor?
 
2012-08-08 04:05:49 PM
Hempfest at 4:20pm is truly a magical place to be

/or so I've heard
 
2012-08-08 04:50:45 PM
Mr Guy: Except our lungs don't care about generic "smoke", in the abstract. They care about very specific kinds of particles and do an excellent job of trapping most particles in the mucus and kick that junk right back out. Tobacco smoke, in specific, contains a bunch of stuff that specifically make the tobacco smoke easier, and have the side effect of increasing how difficult it is for our lungs to filter out, and specifically cause problems. They've absolutely ruled out moderate use damaging lungs, and recent studies are starting to add up that indicate that marijuana stimulates your lungs enough to produce extra mucus, but comes out cleanly, with the end result being low level smokers have health benefits from the smoke.

And what study showed this? Care to link it? The medical consensus among the major groups (ACS and AHA, in particular) is that there is no difference in cardiovascular or pulmonary risk factors between tobacco cigarette and marijuana use. While there is some evidence that the cancer risk may be SLIGHTLY less, the other risks are still there.
 
2012-08-08 05:12:37 PM

BronyMedic: Mr Guy: Except our lungs don't care about generic "smoke", in the abstract. They care about very specific kinds of particles and do an excellent job of trapping most particles in the mucus and kick that junk right back out. Tobacco smoke, in specific, contains a bunch of stuff that specifically make the tobacco smoke easier, and have the side effect of increasing how difficult it is for our lungs to filter out, and specifically cause problems. They've absolutely ruled out moderate use damaging lungs, and recent studies are starting to add up that indicate that marijuana stimulates your lungs enough to produce extra mucus, but comes out cleanly, with the end result being low level smokers have health benefits from the smoke.

And what study showed this? Care to link it? The medical consensus among the major groups (ACS and AHA, in particular) is that there is no difference in cardiovascular or pulmonary risk factors between tobacco cigarette and marijuana use. While there is some evidence that the cancer risk may be SLIGHTLY less, the other risks are still there.


Well, here's an article that refers to a government study that long term marijuana use does not impair lung function.. Link

It's not the same as Mr Guy's claim, but better than yours. Also, I have not heard that long term marijuana use causes lung cancer, which you certainly hear about with tobacco use.

I even read an article that suggests that cannabis has protective properties against cancer.
 
2012-08-08 05:29:43 PM

AeAe: Also, I have not heard that long term marijuana use causes lung cancer, which you certainly hear about with tobacco use.


If it did, don't you think there would be at least one documented case of death from a marijuana only user? I can't sit here and promise anyone that smoking MJ won't ever give you cancer, but the fact that no one has ever died from cannabis use suggests that maybe, just maybe, it's not as harmful as other forms of smoke.

AeAe: I even read an article that suggests that cannabis has protective properties against cancer.


I've read that too, but I don't remember where. Wish I had a link.
 
2012-08-08 07:11:12 PM

khyberkitsune: alice_600: then if that's the case and Pot is such a damn cure. It shouldn't be a smoking drug. Nope it should be a pill dispensed by the government via a pharmacy. No head shops or anything. BTW no matter what you say it's still smoke your inhaling.

Protip: Sometimes a pill or edible form of a drug won't work due to a person's unique body chemistry.

Example, my 30th birthday back in July, I go to the dispensary.

They give me four free cupcakes, each with 3.5 grams of BHO (heated up and decarboxylated, ready for work on a human body.)

I ate all four in 5 minutes.

Two hours later, not a goddamned thing.

I smoked one nice tiny hashy moon rock five hours later, and actually lose the pain in my legs and back.


Ah, the nocebo/placebo effect. If you don't believe a treatment will work, you will report higher levels of pain (yes, there's a study showing this). Chronic pain has a large psychiatric component to it in the majority of patients.

If the people treating your pain are not using a multidisciplinary approach that includes a psychologist or psychiatrist, and an occupational therapist, then they're failing you.

/Has actually worked in a Pain Clinic with real doctors
//THC at the levels available in weed is moderately effective in treating pain, sometimes
///No, potheads, it's not a miracle cure, stop using sick people to advance your agenda
 
2012-08-09 12:44:06 AM
AeAe: Well, here's an article that refers to a government study that long term marijuana use does not impair lung function.. Link

It's not the same as Mr Guy's claim, but better than yours. Also, I have not heard that long term marijuana use causes lung cancer, which you certainly hear about with tobacco use.

I even read an article that suggests that cannabis has protective properties against cancer.


From the very article you linked: Correction: A headline on an earlier version of this post did not reflect the researchers' findings that lung function was compromised after 10 or more joint-years of exposure.

Bruxellensis:
If it did, don't you think there would be at least one documented case of death from a marijuana only user? I can't sit here and promise anyone that smoking MJ won't ever give you cancer, but the fact that no one has ever died from cannabis use suggests that maybe, just maybe, it's not as harmful as other forms of smoke.

http://copd.about.com/b/2008/12/08/does-regular-marijuana-smoking-lea d -to-copd.htm

In the November issue of Chest Physician, the association of regular marijuana smoking with chronic respiratory symptoms was examined in three published studies of young and middle aged adults residing in Los Angeles, California, Wellington, New Zealand and Tuscon, Arizona. All three studies showed a correlation between the smoking of marijuana and chronic bronchitis, independent of the effects of cigarette smoking.

Goddamnit, you true believers are disingenuous.
 
2012-08-09 10:07:19 AM

BronyMedic: In the November issue of Chest Physician, the association of regular marijuana smoking with chronic respiratory symptoms was examined in three published studies of young and middle aged adults residing in Los Angeles, California, Wellington, New Zealand and Tuscon, Arizona. All three studies showed a correlation between the smoking of marijuana and chronic bronchitis, independent of the effects of cigarette smoking.

Goddamnit, you true believers are disingenuous.


dafuq? Riiiiiight.

Oh, and that's not death, not even cancer.

Oh, and another thing - from wiki:
Chronic bronchitis, a type of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, is characterized by the presence of a productive cough that lasts for three months or more per year for at least two years. Chronic bronchitis most often develops due to recurrent injury to the airways caused by inhaled irritants. Cigarette smoking is the most common cause, followed by air pollution and occupational exposure to irritants.[1]

So they somehow decided that their cigarette smoking had nothing to do with it, and it was all the pot they were smoking. I see. And you believe that?

God, you haters are so disingenuous.
 
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