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(Gizmodo)   132-page internal Samsung document unveiled in court, in which Samsung expressly states how much they love Apple's designs, and that they need to copy it. Nail, meet coffin   (gizmodo.com) divider line 185
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2012-08-08 07:20:24 AM
"Samsung ? Past tense?"

johnnycat.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-08 07:36:54 AM
According to every page I see, you have to be an attorney to see these pages.

Heh.
 
2012-08-08 08:14:33 AM
i249.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-08 08:36:20 AM
Whether or not they copied it says nothing about the validity of Apple's patent.
 
2012-08-08 08:51:28 AM
Big difference between the two though. I own a Galaxy. I'd never in a billion years own an iPhone.

\that, and it has a physical keyboard
\\can't screen type worth a shiat, and screen typing minimizes how much room you have to see what you're typing on screen
 
2012-08-08 08:57:32 AM
I still am amazed that any court is seriously considering validating Apple's patent claims here. They're basically trying to claim a patent on the smartphone, I'm guessing so they can simply run everyone else out via the courts, instead of continuing to innovate.
 
2012-08-08 09:41:49 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: They're basically trying to claim a patent on the smartphone,


Actually they're trying to claim a patent on a shape.
 
2012-08-08 10:19:05 AM

WhyteRaven74: Grand_Moff_Joseph: They're basically trying to claim a patent on the smartphone,

Actually they're trying to claim a patent on a shape.


Crap, I'm gonna need to buy a new toaster.
 
2012-08-08 10:19:48 AM

WhyteRaven74: Grand_Moff_Joseph: They're basically trying to claim a patent on the smartphone,

Actually they're trying to claim a patent on a shape.


This.

Maybe Greece should sue apple for using a geometric shape. maybe apple could pay off some of its debt.
I bet their OS also needs the concept of zero. I believe the Maya and India may have a case against them.
 
2012-08-08 10:38:59 AM
Apple's rectangles are highly innovative intellectual property.
 
2012-08-08 11:00:24 AM
I just hope I can scrape together the scratch to grab a Galaxy S III before the patent-troll thugs at Apple manage to successfully bully the courts into handing them a market monopoly on a silver platter.
 
2012-08-08 11:15:45 AM

WhyteRaven74: Grand_Moff_Joseph: They're basically trying to claim a patent on the smartphone,

Actually they're trying to claim a patent on a shape.


This.
 
2012-08-08 11:15:47 AM

MaxxLarge: I just hope I can scrape together the scratch to grab a Galaxy S III before the patent-troll thugs at Apple manage to successfully bully the courts into handing them a market monopoly on a silver platter.


I'm loving mine....and they said yesterday they'd be upgrading the OS on it to Jelly Bean in the near future.
 
2012-08-08 11:16:09 AM
Fark Apple. Worst company on the planet.
 
2012-08-08 11:17:23 AM
That doesn't actually mean they copied it.
 
2012-08-08 11:20:13 AM
At first I thought "oh snap, they got Samsung there", but on reflection it seems that they compare what they have to the iPhone in an attempt to improve their phone, by highlighting weaknesses, that doesn't really prove they violated patents.

FinFangFark: WhyteRaven74: Grand_Moff_Joseph: They're basically trying to claim a patent on the smartphone,

Actually they're trying to claim a patent on a shape.

This.


Can they do that when they didn't come up with the first "candy bar" type touch screen phone?
 
2012-08-08 11:20:18 AM

HotWingConspiracy: That doesn't actually mean they copied it.


All it means is that they liked it, then made their products look like it. Whether that's an infringement remains to be seen.
 
2012-08-08 11:22:45 AM

blacksharpiemarker: Fark Apple. Worst company on the planet.


That has to be the worst hyperbole in the history of the universe.
 
2012-08-08 11:27:19 AM
Of course the judge allowed the damning evidence from Apple. Samsung has internal Apple memos from before the iPhone was invented describing the shape of the phone and referencing similar existing Samsung devices. Samsung also has a prototype ipad that looked nothing like the final version (it looked like the lid of a macbook) then it mysteriously changed shape to very much resemble an early samsung tablet design. Neither of these things was allowed as evidence, so either this judge has already made up her mind to side with the American company over the Korean company, or Samsung has retarded lawyers that violated protocol and screwed their company over.
 
2012-08-08 11:28:53 AM
a rectangle should not be patentable.
 
2012-08-08 11:39:47 AM

kobrakai: blacksharpiemarker: Fark Apple. Worst company on the planet.

That has to be the worst hyperbole in the history of the universe.


Worst. Comment Reply. Ever.
 
2012-08-08 11:40:41 AM

relcec: a rectangle should not be patentable.


A rectangle with rounded corners my friend. Because of course the concept of rounding the corners, as opposed to sticking spikes on them, on something consumers hold in their hand is a farking genius idea and deserves protection.
 
2012-08-08 11:40:54 AM

Shrugging Atlas: MaxxLarge: I just hope I can scrape together the scratch to grab a Galaxy S III before the patent-troll thugs at Apple manage to successfully bully the courts into handing them a market monopoly on a silver platter.

I'm loving mine....and they said yesterday they'd be upgrading the OS on it to Jelly Bean in the near future.


As an owner of an original Galaxy S model, near future = Q4 2013.

/never again, Samsung
//give me Nexus, or give me death
 
2012-08-08 11:41:21 AM

LasersHurt: HotWingConspiracy: That doesn't actually mean they copied it.

All it means is that they liked it, then made their products look like it. Whether that's an infringement remains to be seen.


I guess I'm nuts, I don't feel that they look the same. Similar, sure. But a rectangle is a rectangle. I can tell them apart without much effort.
 
2012-08-08 11:48:47 AM
Well that's now how Samsung is setting up their defense. They are saying there's nothing wrong with being influenced by Apple's designs. This is not the nail you are looking for.
 
2012-08-08 11:50:33 AM

blacksharpiemarker: Fark Apple. Worst company on the planet.


Really? Worse than supporting child labor camps?
 
2012-08-08 11:54:19 AM
www.bitterwallet.com
They look a littlebit more than "similar."
 
2012-08-08 11:54:54 AM

digistil: blacksharpiemarker: Fark Apple. Worst company on the planet.

Really? Worse than supporting child labor camps?


Any company that has to install suicide prevention nets in its main production factory is pretty comparable to child labor camps. And I wouldn't rule out Apple "accidentally" using products made by child labor. All those tiny pixels in that retina display need tiny fingers to install.
 
2012-08-08 11:57:09 AM

Gaboo: [www.bitterwallet.com image 411x408]
They look a littlebit more than "similar."


And I can tell them apart.
 
2012-08-08 11:57:25 AM

Gaboo: [www.bitterwallet.com image 411x408]
They look a littlebit more than "similar."


cdn3.pcadvisor.co.uk

not when photoshop is removed from the equation.
 
2012-08-08 12:00:06 PM

mdking09: digistil: blacksharpiemarker: Fark Apple. Worst company on the planet.

Really? Worse than supporting child labor camps?

Any company that has to install suicide prevention nets in its main production factory is pretty comparable to child labor camps. And I wouldn't rule out Apple "accidentally" using products made by child labor. All those tiny pixels in that retina display need tiny fingers to install.


NotSureIfSerious.jpg
 
2012-08-08 12:01:34 PM
This entire lawsuit is ridiculous, everything contained here is standard practice. You call a meeting, and you list everything you like about a competitor's product. You integrate those features into your own product and try a couple improvements of your own. Idea theft is an important, even integral, part of the technology sector. Stealing an idea from somebody's product is not the same thing as violating patent law.
 
2012-08-08 12:02:06 PM

digistil: NotSureIfSerious.jpg


not serious about the child labor, but the suicide prevention nets thing is true, apple factory workers were jumping to their deaths in china because they hated their jobs so much.
 
2012-08-08 12:02:52 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Gaboo: [www.bitterwallet.com image 411x408]
They look a littlebit more than "similar."

And I can tell them apart.


My HTC incredible also has a a very similar look. Although I can tell it apart from my wife's iPhone, in that mine is the one with bars and hers is the one with "No Service".

When you have that small of a space to work with, things tend to look at the same. In the auto industry most of our competitors have steering wheel controls and nav system buttons in the same place. Because those places are the places where the human hand naturally expects them to be. However we're all mature and manage to show our differences without patent trolling.

/Samsung's total rip off the Apple icons is a bit questionable and I've yet to see another Android UI that does that
//off course I'm off on Cyanogen's mod
 
2012-08-08 12:05:13 PM

mdking09: not when photoshop is removed from the equation.


What photoshop? I posted the first generation of each device, not picking random iterations that would obviously look a lot less like each other.

/Also, pretty smooth using the lock screen on one and the home screen on the other... nobody would ever notice that.
 
2012-08-08 12:06:23 PM

Gaboo: What photoshop? I posted the first generation of each device, not picking random iterations that would obviously look a lot less like each other.

/Also, pretty smooth using the lock screen on one and the home screen on the other... nobody would ever notice that.


why thank you, I thought so. This is after all a hardware patent issue, so the screen should have nothing to do with it.
 
2012-08-08 12:10:28 PM
Translation - Samsung and Apple products are going to be even more expensive now.
 
2012-08-08 12:14:12 PM
The thing to remember is this:

This whole case is about DESIGN PATENTS. Design patents are solely about the look of the device. Any part of the look that is _functional_ is explicitly not protected by the design patent. If there is a reason for the way the device looks that is not simply "Because we think it is prettier that way", then anyone can copy that design element. Reasons such as "Rounded corners are less likely to shatter on impact." "Rounded corners allow the device to easily slide into a pocket." "Rounded corners are more comfortable in the hand." If the jury can be persuaded that any of these are valid reasons for rounding corners, then they are supposed to find that rounded corners are not a protected part of the design.

If "Black reflects less glare" is a valid reason for a black bezel, or "because we need something to hold the screen in place, and this is the most economical, in terms of both space and cost." is a valid reason for a black bezel, then it is a functional advantage, and not protected by a design patent.

What is truly amazing is that Apple is continuing to use Samsung's technology patents, without paying for them (just about every other phone manufacturer cross-licenses all of their technology patents with each other - Apple refuses to), and that they continue to get away with it.
 
2012-08-08 12:16:21 PM

Gaboo: mdking09: not when photoshop is removed from the equation.

What photoshop? I posted the first generation of each device, not picking random iterations that would obviously look a lot less like each other.


The image of the Galaxy is re-sized to give the false impression of additional similarity. Please, don't trust everything Apple presents at face value. They've been caught bullsh*tting repeatedly. Here's a valid comparison shot. If you still want to claim similarity, fine, but base your assertions on reality please.

cdn4.droidmatters.com
/hot
 
2012-08-08 12:17:57 PM
Gee, it's easy to see where Fark(corporate) stands on all of this. Nut up and do some of your own thinking Fark, it's getting pretty easy to tell your from Kentucky.
 
2012-08-08 12:19:45 PM

joeshill: If "Black reflects less glare" is a valid reason for a black bezel, or "because we need something to hold the screen in place, and this is the most economical, in terms of both space and cost." is a valid reason for a black bezel, then it is a functional advantage, and not protected by a design patent.


Was the black bezel even covered by any patent? I get the impression that Apple is trying to defend design aspects that were never patented in the first place (though would be no more ridiculous than their existing patents if they were). I thought they were just trying to establish a pattern of behavior (i.e., companies draw inspiration from prior products, which is kind of silly as every company on the planet does this, including Apple).
 
2012-08-08 12:20:12 PM
Gaboo

They look a littlebit more than "similar."

Funny how that isn't the default home screen of the Samsung. This is how the icons look after you open up the applications folder.
 
2012-08-08 12:21:18 PM

joeshill: What is truly amazing is that Apple is continuing to use Samsung's technology patents, without paying for them (just about every other phone manufacturer cross-licenses all of their technology patents with each other - Apple refuses to), and that they continue to get away with it.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they (Apple) buy the parts (with the Samsung patents in question) through Qualcomm, legally and legitimately? As do many other smart phone manufacturers?
 
2012-08-08 12:23:39 PM

Annoyance: Gee, it's easy to see where Fark(corporate) stands on all of this. Nut up and do some of your own thinking Fark, it's getting pretty easy to tell your from Kentucky.


It's "you're from Kentucky". Normally I'd let that slide, but given the point you were trying to imply, it had to be pointed out.
 
2012-08-08 12:27:44 PM
 
2012-08-08 12:29:53 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Gaboo

They look a littlebit more than "similar."

Funny how that isn't the default home screen of the Samsung. This is how the icons look after you open up the applications folder.


And also how Samsung markets it, since they have the app drawer open on. Out screenshots, AND ON THE PACKAGING.
 
2012-08-08 12:30:18 PM

Gaboo: [www.bitterwallet.com image 411x408]
They look a littlebit more than "similar."


Photoshop is a helluva program.
 
2012-08-08 12:31:27 PM

ha-ha-guy: HotWingConspiracy: Gaboo: [www.bitterwallet.com image 411x408]
My HTC incredible also has a a very similar look. Although I can tell it apart from my wife's iPhone, in that mine is the one with bars and hers is the one with "No Service".


Has to be AT&T. Apple would never disappoint you.
 
2012-08-08 12:31:45 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: joeshill: If "Black reflects less glare" is a valid reason for a black bezel, or "because we need something to hold the screen in place, and this is the most economical, in terms of both space and cost." is a valid reason for a black bezel, then it is a functional advantage, and not protected by a design patent.

Was the black bezel even covered by any patent? I get the impression that Apple is trying to defend design aspects that were never patented in the first place (though would be no more ridiculous than their existing patents if they were). I thought they were just trying to establish a pattern of behavior (i.e., companies draw inspiration from prior products, which is kind of silly as every company on the planet does this, including Apple).


Very well could be. Though I'm following the trial, I haven't had time to dig through all of the filings. From the trial reports, it does seem like Apple is trying to overreach on every bit of this.

Here is the actual design patent:
 
2012-08-08 12:33:48 PM

mdking09: digistil: NotSureIfSerious.jpg

not serious about the child labor, but the suicide prevention nets thing is true, apple factory workers were jumping to their deaths in china because they hated their jobs so much.


Hyperbole much?

You do know that Samsung builds products there too right? As does Sony, Cisco, Dell, HP, Intel, MS, Nintendo, Nokia, Toshiba, and Vizio.

/farking Apple factory workers...
 
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