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2012-08-08 09:36:08 AM
zackcovell.com
 
2012-08-08 10:15:26 AM
So, it was a sub?
 
2012-08-08 10:16:04 AM
Glomar Explorer, back in action!
 
2012-08-08 10:20:23 AM
Fark Sea Shadow, HMB-1 is the more interesting relic.

What ever happened to Clementine?
 
2012-08-08 10:23:40 AM
Well someone bought it I see. This was up for auction on govdeals.com a month or so ago.
 
2012-08-08 10:25:33 AM
If anyone is interested in this, I recently read Project Azorian: The CIA and the Raising of the K-129

It was an interesting story and an awesome reminder of what we can do (or could do, 40+ years ago) when we put our minds to it.
 
2012-08-08 10:27:59 AM

Shafty: Well someone bought it I see. This was up for auction on govdeals.com a month or so ago.


I bet it was this guy:



//Hot like Michelle Yeoh as a leather pant super-spy.
 
2012-08-08 10:28:42 AM
I think people at Skunk Works made a boat that was so sonar reflective, you could see where it was from the lack of background noise.

Oops.
 
2012-08-08 10:31:01 AM
Bay Ship and Yacht paid $2.5 million dollars for the pair but had to agree to scrap the Sea Shadow

How I'd do it:
Agrees to scrap Sea Shadow.
Buys Sea Shadow.
Moves undetectable Sea Shadow into international waters.
What now, biatches?
Profit?
 
2012-08-08 10:33:51 AM
Stealth doesn't make much sense for ships, but it would be good on a smaller littoral craft.
Long range versions of those would also be quite handy at fighting piracy.

mainstreet62: I think people at Skunk Works made a boat that was so sonar reflective, you could see where it was from the lack of background noise.

Oops.


Its kind of like how you look for subs. You start by searching for the hole in the ocean.

/Easier said than done.
/Its the thermal satellites that finally gave them all away.
/Hot water worm trails... but they probably have a countermeasure for that now.
 
2012-08-08 10:36:02 AM
I thought Glomar Explorer had the claw that pulled up part of the K-129?
 
2012-08-08 10:36:08 AM

way south: Stealth doesn't make much sense for ships, but it would be good on a smaller littoral craft.


As opposed to what, a figurative craft?

/I keed.
 
2012-08-08 10:36:51 AM
Behold my new drug running ship!!!
 
2012-08-08 10:37:18 AM
This article is horribly, horribly written.
 
2012-08-08 10:41:56 AM
The cold war was good times.
 
2012-08-08 10:43:31 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: This article is horribly, horribly written.


All its good writing is under the surface.
It's doing silent writing.
 
2012-08-08 10:43:40 AM

Ranger Joe: I thought Glomar Explorer had the claw that pulled up part of the K-129?


That's what I saw in a book I read about 15 years ago or so. IIRC, one of the claws broke and the sub broke in half, but they recovered what they needed to study Russian encryption equipment.
 
2012-08-08 10:43:50 AM

Ranger Joe: I thought Glomar Explorer had the claw that pulled up part of the K-129?


Glomar Explorer did the actual recovery, but the claw was developed using the HMB-1. The video explains it better, but not completely, the article is crap.
 
2012-08-08 10:44:22 AM

way south: Stealth doesn't make much sense for ships, but it would be good on a smaller littoral craft.


Incorrect.

COMPLETE stealth is not all that useful (hard to do, compromises the ultimate utility of the vessel, etc.), but stealthy features are definitely worthwhile. If you can reduce the radar cross section of the ship somewhat, it's that much harder to find while out at sea; that makes it more difficult to launch radar homing missiles at the thing, increasing survivability.

The Arleigh Burke class destroyers have some stealthy features to them and the new Zumwalt class has yet more. I don't know how much more we'll put into the things- I think we're rapidly getting to the point where the cost (financially and in terms of utility) is starting to outstrip the actual benefit, but the harder those things are for the enemy to find the better it is for the crew and the ship's mission.
 
2012-08-08 10:44:54 AM

way south: smaller littoral craft.


Clittoral raft?
 
2012-08-08 10:51:35 AM
So, the Claw found Red October?

encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
2012-08-08 10:53:22 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: This article is horribly, horribly written.


Combine lack of skill/knowlwdge by author with misdirection and false trailing forced by "it's a state secret" and crap is what you get.
 
2012-08-08 10:57:42 AM

MythDragon: Bay Ship and Yacht paid $2.5 million dollars for the pair but had to agree to scrap the Sea Shadow

How I'd do it:
Agrees to scrap Sea Shadow.
Buys Sea Shadow.
Moves undetectable Sea Shadow into international waters.
What now, biatches?
Profit?


Probably not so much "profit" as "visit from the US Navy"
 
2012-08-08 11:02:16 AM
Olly just used planes to smuggle guns and dope back in the day.
 
2012-08-08 11:02:17 AM

Chevello: MythDragon: Bay Ship and Yacht paid $2.5 million dollars for the pair but had to agree to scrap the Sea Shadow

How I'd do it:
Agrees to scrap Sea Shadow.
Buys Sea Shadow.
Moves undetectable Sea Shadow into international waters.
What now, biatches?
Profit?

Probably not so much "profit" as "visit from the US Navy"


Whereupon you say "I scuttled it, it's gone, you won't find it", and if they say "we can see it parked out there" you say "I want a refund, this ship is defective".
 
2012-08-08 11:12:54 AM

MythDragon: Bay Ship and Yacht paid $2.5 million dollars for the pair but had to agree to scrap the Sea Shadow

How I'd do it:
Agrees to scrap Sea Shadow.
Buys Sea Shadow.
Moves undetectable Sea Shadow into international waters.
What now, biatches?
Profit?


As I recall, the major flaw in the Sea Shadow was that the wake it created was visible on radar, even if the ship itself wasn't.
 
2012-08-08 11:13:14 AM
media.comicvine.com
 
2012-08-08 11:19:43 AM
 
2012-08-08 11:20:09 AM

dittybopper: MythDragon: Bay Ship and Yacht paid $2.5 million dollars for the pair but had to agree to scrap the Sea Shadow

How I'd do it:
Agrees to scrap Sea Shadow.
Buys Sea Shadow.
Moves undetectable Sea Shadow into international waters.
What now, biatches?
Profit?

As I recall, the major flaw in the Sea Shadow was that the wake it created was visible on radar, even if the ship itself wasn't.


I'm really not sure what the Sea Shadow could do that we weren't already capable of with submarines. Hell, those are even generally undetectable by the good ol' Mk. 1 eyeball during daylight hours if the water is deep enough.

It was a neat experiment, but I get the feeling that it was never meant to be anything more than just an experiment.
 
2012-08-08 11:22:41 AM
Link Good read
 
2012-08-08 11:22:58 AM

KarmicDisaster: The Craw?


thank you, i was just about to go hunt for this.
 
2012-08-08 11:23:32 AM

MythDragon: Bay Ship and Yacht paid $2.5 million dollars for the pair but had to agree to scrap the Sea Shadow

How I'd do it:
Agrees to scrap Sea Shadow.
Buys Sea Shadow.
Moves undetectable Sea Shadow into international waters.
What now, biatches?
Profit?


The satellites will let the subs know where you are.
 
2012-08-08 11:26:19 AM
FTA:"A football field size barge with a retractable roof recently docked on Treasure Island is getting lots of attention."

They called them land yachts for a reason, this isn't even one of the bigger ones.
autorestoration1.homestead.com
 
2012-08-08 11:27:20 AM
www.vbar.com
 
2012-08-08 11:32:27 AM

akula: dittybopper: MythDragon: Bay Ship and Yacht paid $2.5 million dollars for the pair but had to agree to scrap the Sea Shadow

How I'd do it:
Agrees to scrap Sea Shadow.
Buys Sea Shadow.
Moves undetectable Sea Shadow into international waters.
What now, biatches?
Profit?

As I recall, the major flaw in the Sea Shadow was that the wake it created was visible on radar, even if the ship itself wasn't.

I'm really not sure what the Sea Shadow could do that we weren't already capable of with submarines. Hell, those are even generally undetectable by the good ol' Mk. 1 eyeball during daylight hours if the water is deep enough.

It was a neat experiment, but I get the feeling that it was never meant to be anything more than just an experiment.


Subs aren't good in shallow water and are extremely vulnerable on the surface.
A stealth boat could let you deliver troops those last few miles. It also makes a handy escort for a larger ship, one that can operate on the fringe of air cover, but the enemy can't see or target it easily.
Depending on the hull, a surface boat can also be much faster.

I don't think Sea shadow was meant to represent an actual warship class to be built. It was just a test platform for nenw theories (kind of like Tasset and Have Blue were for the stealth bomber and F-117).
 
2012-08-08 11:33:39 AM

StingerJ: Fark Sea Shadow, HMB-1 is the more interesting relic.

What ever happened to Clementine?


Lost, and gone forever.

Dreadful sorry.

curse you, foaming brine!
 
2012-08-08 11:52:21 AM

way south: akula: dittybopper: MythDragon: Bay Ship and Yacht paid $2.5 million dollars for the pair but had to agree to scrap the Sea Shadow

How I'd do it:
Agrees to scrap Sea Shadow.
Buys Sea Shadow.
Moves undetectable Sea Shadow into international waters.
What now, biatches?
Profit?

As I recall, the major flaw in the Sea Shadow was that the wake it created was visible on radar, even if the ship itself wasn't.

I'm really not sure what the Sea Shadow could do that we weren't already capable of with submarines. Hell, those are even generally undetectable by the good ol' Mk. 1 eyeball during daylight hours if the water is deep enough.

It was a neat experiment, but I get the feeling that it was never meant to be anything more than just an experiment.

Subs aren't good in shallow water and are extremely vulnerable on the surface.
A stealth boat could let you deliver troops those last few miles. It also makes a handy escort for a larger ship, one that can operate on the fringe of air cover, but the enemy can't see or target it easily.
Depending on the hull, a surface boat can also be much faster.

I don't think Sea shadow was meant to represent an actual warship class to be built. It was just a test platform for nenw theories (kind of like Tasset and Have Blue were for the stealth bomber and F-117).


Good points on the subs, but I think we're on the same page about it being more a test bed than any actual potential warship.

You can kind of see some of the stealth features also in the newer LCS ships entering service. They learned what they wanted and then moved on.
 
2012-08-08 11:54:48 AM

way south: Subs aren't good in shallow water


upload.wikimedia.org

www.navy.mil.nz

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-08 12:10:10 PM
I thought it was going to be KnightBoat

images3.wikia.nocookie.net

The Crime Solving Boat!
 
2012-08-08 12:13:23 PM
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Azorian_The_Raising_of_the_K-129/701 55170

Don't say I never did anything for you! That has some cool footage of them actually using the HMB-1 barge to transfer the "equipment" to the Glomar Exploerer.
 
2012-08-08 12:19:06 PM
Those of you with a Lovecraftian bent might enjoy reading "The Jennifer Morgue" by Charles Stross. It's about an evil rich guy using the former Glomar Explorer and the SMB to retrieve an Elder God off the ocean floor, in violation of the human/Deep Ones treaty. All written as a pastiche of James Bond.

upload.wikimedia.org

Good times.
 
2012-08-08 12:20:54 PM
Stealth Boat? Relevant to his interests:

2.bp.blogspot.com

/always though that it was the most clever of the Brosnan Bonds
 
2012-08-08 12:30:01 PM

dittybopper: way south: Subs aren't good in shallow water

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x443]

[www.navy.mil.nz image 550x340]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x432]


There are a few issues besides being able to float a forty foot tall boat in fifty feet of water.

dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-08-08 01:03:32 PM

way south: There are a few issues besides being able to float a forty foot tall boat in fifty feet of water.


Why would a Civil Air Patrol aircraft be attacking a US Navy S-Boat? 'Cause that ain't a German U-boat, not without a wintergarten on the conning tower, and with forward diving planes exposed when running on the surface.
 
2012-08-08 01:12:30 PM

beta_plus: Stealth Boat? Relevant to his interests:

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 480x360]

What I was gonna post.

/always though that it was the most clever of the Brosnan Bonds


Wait, what?
 
2012-08-08 01:17:36 PM

dittybopper: As I recall, the major flaw in the Sea Shadow was that the wake it created was visible on radar, even if the ship itself wasn't.


The same goes for stealth aircraft. The trail of disturbed air with nothing at the front of it is a dead giveaway.
 
2012-08-08 01:36:08 PM
It wasn't this one, was it?

www.dangermouse.net

/hot
 
2012-08-08 01:42:55 PM

dittybopper: way south: There are a few issues besides being able to float a forty foot tall boat in fifty feet of water.

Why would a Civil Air Patrol aircraft be attacking a US Navy S-Boat? 'Cause that ain't a German U-boat, not without a wintergarten on the conning tower, and with forward diving planes exposed when running on the surface.


Oh, and it lacks the canoe stern that was the fashion in German U-boat construction at the time.
 
2012-08-08 02:00:07 PM

dittybopper: dittybopper: way south: There are a few issues besides being able to float a forty foot tall boat in fifty feet of water.

Why would a Civil Air Patrol aircraft be attacking a US Navy S-Boat? 'Cause that ain't a German U-boat, not without a wintergarten on the conning tower, and with forward diving planes exposed when running on the surface.

Oh, and it lacks the canoe stern that was the fashion in German U-boat construction at the time.


Regardless of the accuracy of the artist depiction: During World War II CAP's coastal patrol had flown 24 million miles, found 173 enemy U-boats, attacked 57, hit 10 and sank two, dropping a total of 83 bombs and depth charges throughout the conflict.
 
2012-08-08 02:09:06 PM

dittybopper: way south: There are a few issues besides being able to float a forty foot tall boat in fifty feet of water.

Why would a Civil Air Patrol aircraft be attacking a US Navy S-Boat? 'Cause that ain't a German U-boat, not without a wintergarten on the conning tower, and with forward diving planes exposed when running on the surface.


Artistic license... You know how it is.
 
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