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(Marine Corps Times)   Using bloody cut suits could reduce the need for live animals in military medic training. I said bloody CUT suits   (marinecorpstimes.com) divider line 22
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2012-08-08 03:25:46 AM
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I don't see how this is going to help the military.
 
2012-08-08 04:44:35 AM
i think the mobile site isn't working
 
2012-08-08 04:47:55 AM
I know what you said. What did you think I thought you said, pervert?
 
2012-08-08 04:51:30 AM
Yeah, but you can't eat the "cut-suits" after you're done with them.
 
2012-08-08 04:53:56 AM

mllawso: Yeah, but you can't eat the "cut-suits" after you're done with them.


^^^ That.
 
2012-08-08 05:42:09 AM

Gyrfalcon: I know what you said. What did you think I thought you said, pervert?


I think he thought that you thought he said something he thinks is naughty, but really you thought he said what he knew he said, he just thank you thought what he really thinked to say.
 
2012-08-08 06:03:25 AM

mllawso: Yeah, but you can't eat the "cut-suits" after you're done with them.


You can't eat the animals either.... the anesthesia used to euthanize them now needs 24 hours to biodegrade (in a living animal); it would do a number on you if you ingested. In the old days however....it was ribs for dinner!
 
2012-08-08 06:09:55 AM

Replica: think he thought that you thought he said something he thinks is naughty, but really you thought he said what he knew he said, he just thank you thought what he really thinked to say.


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'Sup, dawg? I herd you liked saying something that you thought that I said something you said something I think is funny, but really I thought you said what you knew you said, so I said I said something you said something I thought was funny, so now you can think what I said was something that you heard I said what I thought what you really thought I had to say was funny while you say something that I think that I thought you said I said you thought I heard was really the thing that you said I said that you thought I said was what I thought I heard you say.
 
2012-08-08 06:15:25 AM

Baron Harkonnen: Replica: think he thought that you thought he said something he thinks is naughty, but really you thought he said what he knew he said, he just thank you thought what he really thinked to say.

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'Sup, dawg? I herd you liked saying something that you thought that I said something you said something I think is funny, but really I thought you said what you knew you said, so I said I said something you said something I thought was funny, so now you can think what I said was something that you heard I said what I thought what you really thought I had to say was funny while you say something that I think that I thought you said I said you thought I heard was really the thing that you said I said that you thought I said was what I thought I heard you say.


You deserve to be weirded for that.
 
2012-08-08 06:30:14 AM
As Foghorn said: "This boy is strictly G.I." (Gibberin' idiot, that is!)
 
2012-08-08 06:45:10 AM
I don't like the cut of this jib.
 
2012-08-08 06:56:15 AM
Huh...I actually agree with PETA on this one...

Better look outside for raining frogs, others signs of the End Times...
 
2012-08-08 07:40:54 AM
The Defense Department uses more than 6,000 animals a year for combat-trauma training, according to congressional representatives and animal-rights groups that have criticized the practice as inhumane

Yeah, better we spare a couple of goats (well, 3000 couples) than to give people skills they need to save our soldiers. If there is a better option, then sure, take it. But until now by shooting a goat and letting the medic try and save it, you give him the training to actualy save a human life. And a soldier's life is worth more than a goat's life any day. (except for the occasional asshole, but most of them are good).

Fark you, PETA. You can't place the welfare of all animals above all humans. Why don't you go rescue lions and hippos in Africa. Let me know how that works out for you.
 
2012-08-08 07:55:45 AM

MythDragon: The Defense Department uses more than 6,000 animals a year for combat-trauma training, according to congressional representatives and animal-rights groups that have criticized the practice as inhumane

Yeah, better we spare a couple of goats (well, 3000 couples) than to give people skills they need to save our soldiers. If there is a better option, then sure, take it. But until now by shooting a goat and letting the medic try and save it, you give him the training to actualy save a human life. And a soldier's life is worth more than a goat's life any day. (except for the occasional asshole, but most of them are good).

Fark you, PETA. You can't place the welfare of all animals above all humans. Why don't you go rescue lions and hippos in Africa. Let me know how that works out for you.


Yeah, with you there. I'm all for being nice to animals, but I'll sacrifice 3000 live goats on an altar rather than let a single human not even in the prime of his life die. Especially if the animals are almost always anethsthized and don't feel anything anyways.
 
2012-08-08 09:04:14 AM

MythDragon: The Defense Department uses more than 6,000 animals a year for combat-trauma training, according to congressional representatives and animal-rights groups that have criticized the practice as inhumane

Yeah, better we spare a couple of goats (well, 3000 couples) than to give people skills they need to save our soldiers. If there is a better option, then sure, take it. But until now by shooting a goat and letting the medic try and save it, you give him the training to actualy save a human life. And a soldier's life is worth more than a goat's life any day. (except for the occasional asshole, but most of them are good).

Fark you, PETA. You can't place the welfare of all animals above all humans. Why don't you go rescue lions and hippos in Africa. Let me know how that works out for you.


Actually training on simulators may be highly valuable. If the simulators cost less than animals, then we can train in good medical skills for cheap, and then try them on animals. If they're more expensive, then we can use them to simulate human bodies more closely than animals (do you want a vet working on your bullet wound? "It's okay, I kind of know what I'm doing ... I mean, the goat lived").
 
2012-08-08 10:06:16 AM

bluefoxicy: MythDragon: The Defense Department uses more than 6,000 animals a year for combat-trauma training, according to congressional representatives and animal-rights groups that have criticized the practice as inhumane

Yeah, better we spare a couple of goats (well, 3000 couples) than to give people skills they need to save our soldiers. If there is a better option, then sure, take it. But until now by shooting a goat and letting the medic try and save it, you give him the training to actualy save a human life. And a soldier's life is worth more than a goat's life any day. (except for the occasional asshole, but most of them are good).

Fark you, PETA. You can't place the welfare of all animals above all humans. Why don't you go rescue lions and hippos in Africa. Let me know how that works out for you.

Actually training on simulators may be highly valuable. If the simulators cost less than animals, then we can train in good medical skills for cheap, and then try them on animals. If they're more expensive, then we can use them to simulate human bodies more closely than animals (do you want a vet working on your bullet wound? "It's okay, I kind of know what I'm doing ... I mean, the goat lived").


Oh, they're much cheaper, but it really rattles their concentration when it makes a loud BUZZ and the nose lights up.
 
2012-08-08 10:27:48 AM

bluefoxicy: Actually training on simulators may be highly valuable. If the simulators cost less than animals, then we can train in good medical skills for cheap, and then try them on animals. If they're more expensive, then we can use them to simulate human bodies more closely than animals (do you want a vet working on your bullet wound? "It's okay, I kind of know what I'm doing ... I mean, the goat lived").


Yeah, it's okay, I kind of know what I'm doing ... I mean, the green light came on.
 
2012-08-08 12:17:54 PM
FTA: "New high-tech simulation devices are raising hope among critics that the practice of teaching Navy corpsmen and Marines to treat trauma patients by slicing into live, anesthetized pigs and goats will come to an end."

I can see the outrage about the goats, but who the hell cares about pigs? One soldier is worth a thousand pigs...

Why do they bother even using anesthesia on the pigs?

Why not just use the pig's taser?
 
2012-08-08 01:42:41 PM
Schubert'sCell: You can't eat the animals either.... the anesthesia used to euthanize them now needs 24 hours to biodegrade (in a living animal); it would do a number on you if you ingested. In the old days however....it was ribs for dinner!

Any citation for this? if they're using Ketamine, I'd eat the meat with no worries. Wouldn't be concentrated enough to even feel it.
 
2012-08-08 01:44:10 PM
... and I've personally done liters of K over my party years to know this.
 
2012-08-08 03:39:19 PM
First off I am an animal lover( no, not in the candle light dinner sort of way) and an EMT.

Now I didn't have to go through the level of training these guys do but I do train with scenarios and other training aids etc... I also respond to treat messed up people in the field.

The big difference between the two is the randomness of damage you find in actual injuries as opposed to scenarios. In the field mother nature and physics go all honey badger on you (they do what they want, they don't care what you think, and they are nasty). I just don't see any sort of simulator being able to replicate this, in order to recreate the randomness and reactions of the patient you would need a bank of super computers just to handle the variables. Just think how much computing power it would take to recreate a human mind, then the body, and lastly all the outside variables.

Or you could use and animal that has been anesthetized. I highly doubt that the people in this training are getting a "kick" out of hurting an animal, an adrenalin rush? yes, but not a "kick"

I was told in the old days the animal didn't get drugs so the medics would have to deal with the thrashing around and sounds of treating a patient.
 
2012-08-08 03:44:31 PM
Also the problem with this suit is your "patient" almost always tries to cooperate and react appropriately to you treatment. Something that doesn't happen in the field ( see also honey badger above)
 
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