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2012-08-08 02:47:16 AM  
It IS important to get those things right, particularly when giving condolences on the recently departed. It's exactly that sort of thing that makes him look uncaring and out-of-touch, and his farkups seem to be the gift that keeps on giving.
 
2012-08-08 02:47:59 AM  
My all time fave Mitt clip: who let the dogs out, from 2008, long after that song had died

Link
 
2012-08-08 02:49:02 AM  

DrBenway: Sabyen91: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Sabyen91: Nothing wrong with specializing.

That was so amazing that I will now go to sleep under the watchful eye of the sheiks and their tiny pendant knives.

/laughter OL

Sheiks the Clown will look over you in your slumber.

"Say, wait a minute! You clowns are on GOPe!"


Nice. :)
 
2012-08-08 02:49:57 AM  

Xyphoid: Check out Freep Impact's blog to see how freepers reacted to the shooting. Some of them are very, very supportive of Sikhs, and willing to speak openly of it. They don't feel like all "towel heads" are the same, though you'll find many that do - but the right thing to focus on in this case is that people will positively identify with Rmoney regarding the "they both sound foreign, I'd make the same mistake so I'm not going to treat this as a legitimate criticism."


I'm the one that brought the story of the shooting to the attention of my inlaws. My FIL (normally very racist, he feels that any exposure to a different culture/religion--whether by clothing, hairstyle, language--is an obnoxious attempt to snub his WASPism) immediately started ranting that the shooter was probably some ignorant, redneck asshole. I felt a small surge of pride at his progress, since he usually has nothing but venom to spout about people from the middle east.

Then he transitioned into his next tangent with this: "The ones with the turbans ain't the ones you gotta worry about...."

*sigh*
 
2012-08-08 02:50:09 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Sabyen91: The last memory I have of the birth was Doctor Dhillon forearm deep in my ex-wife fishing out the placenta. Sikh's are brutal, nasty people. :)

Ugh. I have a theory that any doctor that focuses on a specific body part has serious mental issues. I have rarely been proven wrong in this completely unsubstantiated assumption based on hearsay and anecdotes. Sure, the doctor may be a sixty year-old, respected author of multiple medical journals, but at around age twenty-five he decided "Hey, I want to dedicate my life to asses."


What about the gay guy I went to college with who went on to go to med school and become a gynecologist?
 
2012-08-08 02:50:20 AM  

This Face Left Blank: It IS important to get those things right, particularly when giving condolences on the recently departed. It's exactly that sort of thing that makes him look uncaring and out-of-touch, and his farkups seem to be the gift that keeps on giving.


To confuse the grieving with their mortal enemy of hundreds of years...priceless.
 
2012-08-08 02:51:38 AM  

teeny: Xyphoid: Check out Freep Impact's blog to see how freepers reacted to the shooting. Some of them are very, very supportive of Sikhs, and willing to speak openly of it. They don't feel like all "towel heads" are the same, though you'll find many that do - but the right thing to focus on in this case is that people will positively identify with Rmoney regarding the "they both sound foreign, I'd make the same mistake so I'm not going to treat this as a legitimate criticism."

I'm the one that brought the story of the shooting to the attention of my inlaws. My FIL (normally very racist, he feels that any exposure to a different culture/religion--whether by clothing, hairstyle, language--is an obnoxious attempt to snub his WASPism) immediately started ranting that the shooter was probably some ignorant, redneck asshole. I felt a small surge of pride at his progress, since he usually has nothing but venom to spout about people from the middle east.

Then he transitioned into his next tangent with this: "The ones with the turbans ain't the ones you gotta worry about...."

*sigh*


Baby steps...
 
2012-08-08 02:53:08 AM  
Macaca moment? Is Sheik a commonly used word in Arabic? I studied Arabic a little and can say that word never came up.
 
2012-08-08 02:53:49 AM  
I honestly tonight thought to myself: "I almost feel sorry for Romney"

Then I remembered Republicans will try to destroy this country with obstruction, then blame it on Democrats, and a good portion of the "not paying attention" voting population will buy it...
 
2012-08-08 02:54:38 AM  

ReaverZ: Macaca moment? Is Sheik a commonly used word in Arabic? I studied Arabic a little and can say that word never came up.


That motherfarker is back and he is leading in the polls.
 
2012-08-08 02:56:35 AM  

impaler: I honestly tonight thought to myself: "I almost feel sorry for Romney"

Then I remembered Republicans will try to destroy this country with obstruction, then blame it on Democrats, and a good portion of the "not paying attention" voting population will buy it...


I once thought to myself "Romney showed a human emotion once"...but I was mistaken...that was Lieutenant Commander Data.
 
2012-08-08 02:59:41 AM  
Yeah, but did he pronounce it "sheek" or "shake?"
 
2012-08-08 03:02:49 AM  
My first reaction was to think, "Meh, this is just a dumb speech error, of the 57 state variety. No one actually confuses the two. Sometimes the brain runs ahead or behind the lips, especially if exhausted from campaigning." I've had extremely unfortunate typos or brain farts here that caused me to be mocked mercilessly for the rest of the thread, even though I meant nothing by it.

And then I thought, "You know what? It's this man's job to be smart and polished. This is not an isolated incident. If he's good enough to remember to say Obambalogna or whatever, he needs to somehow manage to stop offending nearly everyone he speaks about."

On the whole I don't think this is a huge deal, but the man is increasingly looking dumber with each passing day. I can't tell if he has the most incompetent staff of all time (doubtful, as this is the Super Bowl of campaign gigs) or if he really is just completely disengaged from the world around him (highly likely). It's why the photo of him doing laundry is so instantly laughable. He reminds me of Mr. Burns trying to choose between ketchup and catsup.
 
2012-08-08 03:07:51 AM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Yeah, but did he pronounce it "sheek" or "shake?"


He probably pronounced it as "chic."

It's "shake," of course.

www.top40db.net
 
2012-08-08 03:15:04 AM  

ReaverZ: Macaca moment? Is Sheik a commonly used word in Arabic? I studied Arabic a little and can say that word never came up.


It's a very common word, nothing bad about it really. Sheik (Or Shaykh, Shayikh, Sheikh, many different spellings you encounter depending on where you go) is a leadership title, there are tribal sheiks, village sheiks, etc. In Iraq we'd always meet with someone with the title "Sheik" (Pronounced Shake) who was some sort of a leader of this or that. In this case Rmoney was just using it to pander to his base a little and try to develop some gaffe-away.
 
2012-08-08 03:17:12 AM  

Xyphoid: ReaverZ: Macaca moment? Is Sheik a commonly used word in Arabic? I studied Arabic a little and can say that word never came up.

It's a very common word, nothing bad about it really. Sheik (Or Shaykh, Shayikh, Sheikh, many different spellings you encounter depending on where you go) is a leadership title, there are tribal sheiks, village sheiks, etc. In Iraq we'd always meet with someone with the title "Sheik" (Pronounced Shake) who was some sort of a leader of this or that. In this case Rmoney was just using it to pander to his base a little and try to develop some gaffe-away.


He apparently doesn't want the Sikh vote if that was intentional. They hate Muslims more than the average fundy Christian.
 
2012-08-08 03:19:45 AM  

Sabyen91: impaler: I honestly tonight thought to myself: "I almost feel sorry for Romney"

Then I remembered Republicans will try to destroy this country with obstruction, then blame it on Democrats, and a good portion of the "not paying attention" voting population will buy it...

I once thought to myself "Romney showed a human emotion once"...but I was mistaken...that was Lieutenant Commander Data.


Seriously, if you haven't looked into it yet, try to find any human emotion out of him that isn't simply egotistic/short lived or anger. The guy is truly a psychopath, not just by hyperbole.

I know I've mentioned this in previous threads and more than a few times here, but I have serious concern about that kind of person entering the white house and I am doing my best to get the info out there. I'd rather have Bachmann or Palin in there, they are at least human, but psychopaths aren't; they are predators of men and should be feared and properly respected as predatory animals. I did PSYOP work with the Army - I know my propaganda, and I also took a great interest in psychopathy, I know this man is a monster.
 
2012-08-08 03:20:59 AM  

Xyphoid: Sabyen91: impaler: I honestly tonight thought to myself: "I almost feel sorry for Romney"

Then I remembered Republicans will try to destroy this country with obstruction, then blame it on Democrats, and a good portion of the "not paying attention" voting population will buy it...

I once thought to myself "Romney showed a human emotion once"...but I was mistaken...that was Lieutenant Commander Data.

Seriously, if you haven't looked into it yet, try to find any human emotion out of him that isn't simply egotistic/short lived or anger. The guy is truly a psychopath, not just by hyperbole.

I know I've mentioned this in previous threads and more than a few times here, but I have serious concern about that kind of person entering the white house and I am doing my best to get the info out there. I'd rather have Bachmann or Palin in there, they are at least human, but psychopaths aren't; they are predators of men and should be feared and properly respected as predatory animals. I did PSYOP work with the Army - I know my propaganda, and I also took a great interest in psychopathy, I know this man is a monster.


I don't think anybody likes him. They are simply voting for him because he is (R).
 
2012-08-08 03:21:17 AM  

Sabyen91: FormlessOne: FTA: Romney spokesman Rick Gorka said the candidate "mispronounced similar sounding words," noting that he was clearly referring to the Wisconsin shooting and not trying to offend people of Sikh faith.

Did I read that correctly? Did he just basically tell us...

"What? It's close enough, am I right!? Sikh, sheik, hell, they're practically the same - and they know what we meant!"

Fark Romney. He can't even be bothered to skillfully fake compassion.

You know, I mispronounced the word before this incident. I pronounced it as seek, rather than sick. Calling them sheiks is not a mispronunciation, it is stupidity.


I did the same. The first time I heard them say "sick" on the news I thought they were the ones pronouncing it wrong.
 
2012-08-08 03:25:14 AM  

saintstryfe: I clicked on this link, not caring who the source was, figuring it was sometihng like the Onion or the Oatmeal, something funny where a mistake like this could be giggled at.

But I clicked it.... AND IT WAS THE farkING WASHINGTON POST....

Great Caesar's Ghost, what the hell is this man thinking?

/I doubt this would actually cost him any votes, except maybe a few for people who say "Wow, this guy is dumb."
//but his communications team needs to be drug out into the street and shot.


Why? They have no control over him. Which makes all those things 'said' by this aide or that aide even more remarkable.

(The following articles comes thanks to certain brothers and sisters (!) (yes, I wrote that) over at Free Republic, who dared to link to an article over at the Daily Beast, an interview with unabashedly pro-Obama and ex-Mormon Sue Emmett, who was treated differently by Mormons because she was directly descended from Brigham Young and still she left. Take that as you will)


FTFA: ...Emmett has watched Mitt Romney very closely throughout his public life and has strong opinions about what shaped his personality and his character. "Mitt is a product not only of his wealth, but of an organization that gives men power when they are 12 years old," she says. "That is when boys are ordained with the priesthood. It is a big moment in a Mormon male's childhood."

As for what pundits say is Romney's difficulty connecting with people, Emmett blames it largely on what she calls "the entitled Mormon male syndrome, where the leadership professes compassion and concern but leaves the manifestations of that to the drones. All male leadership is not this way; there are some wonderful men who do their best to exercise their power compassionately, but many do not."

Emmett says Romney was a bishop, "a position where everyone defers to you. What a bishop says goes. People come to them to receive blessings." He then became a stake president, she says, which means he presided over several congregations, and at that point bishops deferred to him.

"Mitt has had people defer to him and not challenge him his entire life," says Emmett. "In the Mormon church if you challenge your priesthood leaders it's a very bad thing to do, especially for women. As the world can now see, Mitt has a very hard time with being questioned and criticized; he's had so little of this in his life."

Will he be more beholden to his church than to the American people? Emmett recalls that when Romney was stake president in the church, he was pro-life. But when he was running for governor he changed his position to pro-choice. A woman in the church who was a good friend of Emmett's went to see Romney and thanked him for changing his position. "He told her that he had talked to church leaders in Salt Lake," Emmett says, "and that they gave him permission to change his position."

The Romney campaign did not respond to numerous requests for comment....

/yeah, there's more.
//someone named bluedragon is claiming the missionaries know the anti-romney freepers by name, but not gender. who knows if that's a true story, though.
 
2012-08-08 03:27:50 AM  

fusillade762: Sabyen91: FormlessOne: FTA: Romney spokesman Rick Gorka said the candidate "mispronounced similar sounding words," noting that he was clearly referring to the Wisconsin shooting and not trying to offend people of Sikh faith.

Did I read that correctly? Did he just basically tell us...

"What? It's close enough, am I right!? Sikh, sheik, hell, they're practically the same - and they know what we meant!"

Fark Romney. He can't even be bothered to skillfully fake compassion.

You know, I mispronounced the word before this incident. I pronounced it as seek, rather than sick. Calling them sheiks is not a mispronunciation, it is stupidity.

I did the same. The first time I heard them say "sick" on the news I thought they were the ones pronouncing it wrong.


At least on Fark the only difference is between a sikh joke and a "sikh and destroy" joke.
 
2012-08-08 03:29:48 AM  

Sabyen91: Xyphoid: ReaverZ: Macaca moment? Is Sheik a commonly used word in Arabic? I studied Arabic a little and can say that word never came up.

It's a very common word, nothing bad about it really. Sheik (Or Shaykh, Shayikh, Sheikh, many different spellings you encounter depending on where you go) is a leadership title, there are tribal sheiks, village sheiks, etc. In Iraq we'd always meet with someone with the title "Sheik" (Pronounced Shake) who was some sort of a leader of this or that. In this case Rmoney was just using it to pander to his base a little and try to develop some gaffe-away.

He apparently doesn't want the Sikh vote if that was intentional. They hate Muslims more than the average fundy Christian.


I don't imagine any Sikh (or is it Sikhs?) are going to be turned off by this, sure it is a faux pas but you don't have to be a Muslim to be a Sheik. As well, what with basically adopting the pronunciation of "seek" for Sikh just to make assimilation easier, I imagine that most of them won't think of it as much more than an unintentional gaffe and won't look deeper to see that he pronounced it fine earlier and intentionally mispronounced it later. Honestly this kind of a comment is one of those... sort of clever things where he gets very little bad exposure because unless people connect the two and look at previous Republican strategy, no one will notice it was intentional, and gets some potential positive exposure if he does get criticized with those who will sympathize with what they will feel to be an honest mistake. It's a tried-and-true propaganda method, especially powerful in deflecting criticism because the defense "activates" if given criticism.
 
2012-08-08 03:32:37 AM  
FTsameA:

"I can guarantee you that there are millions of Mormons who believe this prophecy and see Romney as potential fulfillment of it," she says. "As a Mormon, you grow up hearing about this prophecy. I think Mitt believes he has a mandate from God to become president so he can help move this along. I don't know if it's a conscious thought, but it's in his subconscious."

Emmett says she thinks Romney's biggest fault is that he has a "serious problem telling the truth. There is flip-flopping, which he has done more than any politician in modern history, and then there is out and out lying," she says. "This kind of thing has sadly been a part of the church from the very beginning. Some modern apostles actually taught that it is not always the best thing to tell the truth if it interferes with preaching gospel."

Emmett says the notion of "Lying for the Lord," as it has been called, implies that teaching the whole truth about the church should be avoided. At a presentation on Lying for the Lord at the 2008 Exmormon Foundation conference, Ken Clark addressed the issue. Clark, who worked as a teacher for the LDS Church Education System (CES) for 27 years and also served as a bishop before leaving the church in 2003, tells The Daily Beast, "Lying has become an institutionalized method of administrative control with the church."

"Every Mormon grows up with the idea that it's OK to lie if it's for a higher cause," says Clark, who now works for a company that markets employment and labor market data. "But what happens is when this becomes a part of your ethical tool kit, you develop a condescending attitude toward people. Like Ann Romney saying 'you people.' This idea of lying for the Lord gives you license to place people on an inferior level. It's OK for Mitt Romney to ignore the principle of full disclosure because it's in his DNA. Look what he's doing with his taxes, and how he talks only in generic and sanitized terms about his religion."


/to be fair, 'lying for a higher cause/the faith to non-believers' is also found in judaism and islam
//christians are weird, might be that taking pride in getting eaten by lions thing
///i don't know what a modern apostle is, or what she means by it
/any Mormons want to chime in? does this really explain Romney's flips beyond just politics nothing personal?
 
2012-08-08 03:43:21 AM  

Curse of the Goth Kids: Chic


I checked out these comments just to make sure somebody made this joke. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-08-08 03:50:38 AM  
Hard to believe millions will vote for this guy on election day. But, to be fair, compared to Rick Perry, Rmoney is an eloquent genius. Can you imagine anyone supporting a farkin ignoramus like Rick Perry for public offi... oh, wait.
 
2012-08-08 03:53:10 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: /to be fair, 'lying for a higher cause/the faith to non-believers' is also found in judaism and islam
//christians are weird, might be that taking pride in getting eaten by lions thing
///i don't know what a modern apostle is, or what she means by it
/any Mormons want to chime in? does this really explain Romney's flips beyond just politics nothing personal?



I'm LDS. I've never gotten the impression that lying is ever appropriate, in fact I've always heard that lies of omission are considered equally damning as lies of commission. Romney lies and misdirects because he's a politician, not because of some underlying mormon training.

A modern-day apostle simply refers to one of the high ranking LDS authorities that are (or have been) the leadership of the church since Joseph Smith.

I didn't click your link, but I'm familiar with the prophesy she referenced, and I think most mormons are blindly loyal to Mitt partly because of it, and partly because they desperately want Obama out.

/voted RON PAUL because I think it's safer to go with a little crazy that you know about upfront rather than discover hidden loyalties and agendas later.
 
2012-08-08 04:01:53 AM  
Man, the debates are going to be epic.
 
2012-08-08 04:02:11 AM  
 
2012-08-08 04:08:59 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Man, the debates are going to be epic.


They'll be the Xmas of Lulz.
 
2012-08-08 04:11:50 AM  

davidphogan: Genevieve Marie: Man, the debates are going to be epic.

They'll be the Xmas of Lulz.


It will be an example of meeting lowered expectations. Mitt will do fine because he won't call the poor "fuel".
 
2012-08-08 04:18:29 AM  
oh no he didn...*checks the article* O.O he did ,

LMAO epic fail .
 
2012-08-08 04:20:41 AM  
Still sucking up to his Israeli masters I see...
 
2012-08-08 04:20:43 AM  
Let's see...mis-stating a word slightly, versus another guy who doesn't even know how many states there are...

running for president...

so hard to choose
 
2012-08-08 04:22:22 AM  

SevenizGud: Let's see...mis-stating a word slightly, versus another guy who doesn't even know how many states there are...

running for president...

so hard to choose


Hmm, Sikh or Muslim. Not much difference...
 
2012-08-08 04:24:03 AM  

Sabyen91: Hmm, Sikh or Muslim. Not much difference...


Especially in those 10 states admitted to the union after Hawaii.
 
2012-08-08 04:26:18 AM  

SevenizGud: Sabyen91: Hmm, Sikh or Muslim. Not much difference...

Especially in those 10 states admitted to the union after Hawaii.


And Kenya. Your boy is going down.
 
2012-08-08 04:30:08 AM  

Sabyen91: davidphogan: Genevieve Marie: Man, the debates are going to be epic.

They'll be the Xmas of Lulz.

It will be an example of meeting lowered expectations. Mitt will do fine because he won't call the poor "fuel".


Well... maybe.
 
2012-08-08 04:30:33 AM  

SevenizGud: Let's see...mis-stating a word slightly, versus another guy who doesn't even know how many states there are...

running for president...

so hard to choose



Well, you motherfarkers on the Right seem to think that Israel, Saudi Arabia and China are States, so just stick it in your Jesus Pleaser.
 
2012-08-08 04:32:27 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Sabyen91: davidphogan: Genevieve Marie: Man, the debates are going to be epic.

They'll be the Xmas of Lulz.

It will be an example of meeting lowered expectations. Mitt will do fine because he won't call the poor "fuel".

Well... maybe.


I am hoping for a total meltdown with him calling the poor a bunch of N-words.
 
2012-08-08 04:36:23 AM  

Sabyen91: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: sonorangal: If Romney gets elected it'll be "Bush II"

Bush at least had some principles from the onset. For all of his terrible decisions and verbal fumbles, you could sense inside that there was a person named George W. Bush who believed in something. Romney's a farking karaoke machine, singing any tune that somebody pays a buck to hear.

Bullshiat. That is rose-colored hindsight.


No....Bush believed he'd been sent by God to right America's multiple wrongs. Like Reagan, he at least had his own twisted principles. I think Bashar's right on with this one: You did not see nearly the number of "what he meant to say was..." out of the Bush Administration in 8 long, horrible years as we have in six freaking months with Mittens.
 
2012-08-08 04:37:41 AM  
This is Romney's "57 sheiks".
 
2012-08-08 04:38:40 AM  

Sabyen91: I am hoping for a total meltdown with him calling the poor a bunch of N-words.


It won't even have to come to that, although that would be hilarious.

It's just that his incredible robotic awkwardness and total inability to empathize with others is going to look even worse when he's right next to Obama.
 
2012-08-08 04:41:16 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: sonorangal: If Romney gets elected it'll be "Bush II"

Bush at least had some principles from the onset. For all of his terrible decisions and verbal fumbles, you could sense inside that there was a person named George W. Bush who believed in something. Romney's a farking karaoke machine, singing any tune that somebody pays a buck to hear.

Bullshiat. That is rose-colored hindsight.

No....Bush believed he'd been sent by God to right America's multiple wrongs. Like Reagan, he at least had his own twisted principles. I think Bashar's right on with this one: You did not see nearly the number of "what he meant to say was..." out of the Bush Administration in 8 long, horrible years as we have in six freaking months with Mittens.


Huh, I never saw any principles.
 
2012-08-08 04:41:51 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Sabyen91: I am hoping for a total meltdown with him calling the poor a bunch of N-words.

It won't even have to come to that, although that would be hilarious.

It's just that his incredible robotic awkwardness and total inability to empathize with others is going to look even worse when he's right next to Obama.


Willard "Uncanny" Romney.
 
2012-08-08 04:42:35 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Sabyen91: I am hoping for a total meltdown with him calling the poor a bunch of N-words.

It won't even have to come to that, although that would be hilarious.

It's just that his incredible robotic awkwardness and total inability to empathize with others is going to look even worse when he's right next to Obama.


I am amused that Mitt is going to prove the "uncanny valley" correct.
 
2012-08-08 04:47:15 AM  
At this point all Obama has to do to win is watch Romney keep "campaigning"...
 
2012-08-08 04:47:16 AM  

Sabyen91: Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: sonorangal: If Romney gets elected it'll be "Bush II"

Bush at least had some principles from the onset. For all of his terrible decisions and verbal fumbles, you could sense inside that there was a person named George W. Bush who believed in something. Romney's a farking karaoke machine, singing any tune that somebody pays a buck to hear.

Bullshiat. That is rose-colored hindsight.

No....Bush believed he'd been sent by God to right America's multiple wrongs. Like Reagan, he at least had his own twisted principles. I think Bashar's right on with this one: You did not see nearly the number of "what he meant to say was..." out of the Bush Administration in 8 long, horrible years as we have in six freaking months with Mittens.

Huh, I never saw any principles.


I didn't say they were GOOD principles.
 
2012-08-08 04:54:04 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: sonorangal: If Romney gets elected it'll be "Bush II"

Bush at least had some principles from the onset. For all of his terrible decisions and verbal fumbles, you could sense inside that there was a person named George W. Bush who believed in something. Romney's a farking karaoke machine, singing any tune that somebody pays a buck to hear.

Bullshiat. That is rose-colored hindsight.

No....Bush believed he'd been sent by God to right America's multiple wrongs. Like Reagan, he at least had his own twisted principles. I think Bashar's right on with this one: You did not see nearly the number of "what he meant to say was..." out of the Bush Administration in 8 long, horrible years as we have in six freaking months with Mittens.

Huh, I never saw any principles.

I didn't say they were GOOD principles.


Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism dude, but at least it's an ethos.
 
2012-08-08 05:08:55 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: sonorangal: If Romney gets elected it'll be "Bush II"

Bush at least had some principles from the onset. For all of his terrible decisions and verbal fumbles, you could sense inside that there was a person named George W. Bush who believed in something. Romney's a farking karaoke machine, singing any tune that somebody pays a buck to hear.

Bullshiat. That is rose-colored hindsight.

No....Bush believed he'd been sent by God to right America's multiple wrongs. Like Reagan, he at least had his own twisted principles. I think Bashar's right on with this one: You did not see nearly the number of "what he meant to say was..." out of the Bush Administration in 8 long, horrible years as we have in six freaking months with Mittens.

Huh, I never saw any principles.

I didn't say they were GOOD principles.

Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism dude, but at least it's an ethos.


Heh...I have a book about various horrible things in which at one point the author tries to "rank" various dictators and despots in terms of their overall evil impact. His view is that Hitler was less evil than Stalin because at least Hitler had some rationale for what he was doing. Stalin just killed people and peoples at a whim, because he didn't like them that day or it was expedient to do so. Granted, it's the difference between dying of smallpox and dying of a brain hemorrhage, but still...
 
2012-08-08 05:11:11 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Genevieve Marie: Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: sonorangal: If Romney gets elected it'll be "Bush II"

Bush at least had some principles from the onset. For all of his terrible decisions and verbal fumbles, you could sense inside that there was a person named George W. Bush who believed in something. Romney's a farking karaoke machine, singing any tune that somebody pays a buck to hear.

Bullshiat. That is rose-colored hindsight.

No....Bush believed he'd been sent by God to right America's multiple wrongs. Like Reagan, he at least had his own twisted principles. I think Bashar's right on with this one: You did not see nearly the number of "what he meant to say was..." out of the Bush Administration in 8 long, horrible years as we have in six freaking months with Mittens.

Huh, I never saw any principles.

I didn't say they were GOOD principles.

Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism dude, but at least it's an ethos.

Heh...I have a book about various horrible things in which at one point the author tries to "rank" various dictators and despots in terms of their overall evil impact. His view is that Hitler was less evil than Stalin because at least Hitler had some rationale for what he was doing. Stalin just killed people and peoples at a whim, because he didn't like them that day or it was expedient to do so. Granted, it's the difference between dying of smallpox and dying of a brain hemorrhage, but still...


That is messed up. "Final Solution" is better than pure power.
 
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