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2012-08-08 01:44:41 AM
There's a time and place for Sean Connery impressions, Mitt.
 
2012-08-08 01:46:00 AM

Sabyen91: Mawson of the Antarctic: Sabyen91: stoli n coke: A Terrible Human: Shadowen: HOW IS HE SO BAD AT THIS?

Because he's just farking awful at it. Constant gaffes,refusing to release his taxes even though his farking father basically started the tradition of politicians releasing their taxes and just being so stiff,awkward and condescending to people who aren't farking millionaires. Anyone wanna bet the only time he's around people who are middle/lower class is when he's campaigning? That would explain why he's so damn weird acting.

/Taxes. Reid. Bad.

Bullshiat. He's around non-millionaires all the time. Or are you not counting housekeepers, cooks, dressage coaches, and landscapers?

No, no. People with names. Those are NPC's

I think you hit upon the perfect way to explain to someone how the rich see us. Awesome, going to start using that if s'cool?

Absolutely, take it and use it.


Thanks!
 
2012-08-08 01:46:20 AM
Mitt Romney and his traveling clown show.
 
2012-08-08 01:47:54 AM

The Name: Flappyhead: Heck even that could backfire if it came across as "We picked this guy to make Romney look less stupid".

I think the only person who would fill that ticket at this point is Palin.


I meant more of a "I know Mitt said something earlier today that has upset people, but what he REALLY meant was *homespun salt-of-the-earth tangent*" kind of running mate.
 
2012-08-08 01:48:49 AM

A Terrible Human: Xyphoid: it's a common Republican device to turn their opponents into "elitists" while making a really big subconscious appeal to the common man.

But that won't work with Romney because he's worth 240 farking million dollars. In this race it seems that Romney is the elitist.


Oh, I agree that objectively it appears that Rmoney is the elitist, but subjectively the Right has been painting President Obama as an elitist for years upon years, and most people I've talked to who vote Republican see Rmoney more as just a rich American than an elitist. I mean, check out his act when in public, and compare it to his act in front of his base, and he really, really tries to take populist(-ish) positions and look as common as he can be while being, "unfortunately" super rich. Look at how well it has worked so far, instead of people thinking he is a manipulative psychopath (He is) they think he is a blundering fool. Sure, we can Occam's razor it down to him being pretty foolish in many aspects, but many of them are just side effects of psychopathy, though some of them are just due to being completely out of touch.
 
2012-08-08 01:49:52 AM
I knew it! Willard is a sekrit Muslin, and the whole magic undies thing is just a cover.
 
2012-08-08 01:51:28 AM

Corvus: sendtodave: saintstryfe: Great Caesar's Ghost, what the hell is this man thinking?

He was thinking "I don't know what a Sikh is, and I don't really care. Sounds foriegn."

The same thing that anyone who would vote for him is thinking.

No they are thinking "All towel heads are the same".


Check out Freep Impact's blog to see how freepers reacted to the shooting. Some of them are very, very supportive of Sikhs, and willing to speak openly of it. They don't feel like all "towel heads" are the same, though you'll find many that do - but the right thing to focus on in this case is that people will positively identify with Rmoney regarding the "they both sound foreign, I'd make the same mistake so I'm not going to treat this as a legitimate criticism."
 
2012-08-08 01:51:48 AM

Sabyen91: Everybody looks back with a much more charitable eye to past politicians. Do you remember Bush making a big deal about looking under the table for WMD?


I remember his later push towards war with Iraq. It's kind of difficult to ignore the systemic fraud that the administration pulled in order to secure domestic support for the war. At that point he was a part of the Republican machine. Hell, it's rumored Cheney was calling the shots and Bush was just taking photo ops. But at the beginning, I think Bush truly had some guiding moral compass, which only later reappeared when the establishment allowed him to support AIDS prevention in Africa, no matter how misguided his actual policies were.

Listen, I think W. was one of the worst Presidents of all time. The legacy he left the country would have torn it apart a century ago, and I applaud his decision to shut up and clear brush in whatever bumfark county he now resides. I just believe that, however naive, he had some guiding philosophies towards life and governance when he took office.

I don't get that vibe from Romney.
 
2012-08-08 01:52:07 AM
Why on Earth would you attack Sikhs anyway? It's like the single least confrontational religion/ideology on the goddamn planet.
 
2012-08-08 01:52:48 AM

Flappyhead: brianbankerus:

Which is why he won't get the nod. You need the Christian Crazy these days in the GOP, and Romney can't carry that card on his own.

Really? Hadn't thought about that. Figured he had the base locked up. Figured he needed to expand his independent voter cred. Surely a Santorum or Huckabee would alienate the middle. What's your prediction?

Kinda half-joking there. The really hardcore Jeebusy people will have a problem with the whole Mormon thing but by and large yeah, the base will support him. The problem is that base has moved so far to the right that picking a VP that appeals to the moderates can be a risk. I can see a pick that's off the radar in order to distance themselves from the "Old Boys Club", but it's going to be a real balancing act, especially if Mittens keeps trying to force his entire leg through his digestive system. Heck even that could backfire if it came across as "We picked this guy to make Romney look less stupid".


Okay. So I'm going back to my guess of Portman. Romney's got a few demos locked up. He's got the massive racist contingency, the rich, the religious (I don't know how, he's NOT one of them) and the very lowest-information voters... he still needs a TON from the middle just to be remotely competitive. Portman brings Ohio with him, or at least the best chance of it.

I'm sticking with Portman. Intrade has him at 30.5%, way ahead of the rest of the pack. Portman. Book it.
 
2012-08-08 01:53:06 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Sabyen91: Everybody looks back with a much more charitable eye to past politicians. Do you remember Bush making a big deal about looking under the table for WMD?

I remember his later push towards war with Iraq. It's kind of difficult to ignore the systemic fraud that the administration pulled in order to secure domestic support for the war. At that point he was a part of the Republican machine. Hell, it's rumored Cheney was calling the shots and Bush was just taking photo ops. But at the beginning, I think Bush truly had some guiding moral compass, which only later reappeared when the establishment allowed him to support AIDS prevention in Africa, no matter how misguided his actual policies were.

Listen, I think W. was one of the worst Presidents of all time. The legacy he left the country would have torn it apart a century ago, and I applaud his decision to shut up and clear brush in whatever bumfark county he now resides. I just believe that, however naive, he had some guiding philosophies towards life and governance when he took office.

I don't get that vibe from Romney.


I just never got the feeling Bush gave a shiat about anything but his legacy either.
 
2012-08-08 01:55:07 AM

Sabyen91: FormlessOne: FTA: Romney spokesman Rick Gorka said the candidate "mispronounced similar sounding words," noting that he was clearly referring to the Wisconsin shooting and not trying to offend people of Sikh faith.

Did I read that correctly? Did he just basically tell us...

"What? It's close enough, am I right!? Sikh, sheik, hell, they're practically the same - and they know what we meant!"

Fark Romney. He can't even be bothered to skillfully fake compassion.

You know, I mispronounced the word before this incident. I pronounced it as seek, rather than sick. Calling them sheiks is not a mispronunciation, it is stupidity.


It was an intentional mispronunciation. G. W. Bush intentionally mispronounced nuclear for the same purpose.
 
2012-08-08 01:55:34 AM

PonceAlyosha: Why on Earth would you attack Sikhs anyway? It's like the single least confrontational religion/ideology on the goddamn planet.


Stupidity is absolutely the most confrontational human condition in the entire frikkin solar system

/and it will attack anything it doesn't understand
//which is everything
 
2012-08-08 01:56:35 AM

PonceAlyosha: Why on Earth would you attack Sikhs anyway? It's like the single least confrontational religion/ideology on the goddamn planet.


Because, um, Brown. Fer'n. Scary.
 
2012-08-08 01:57:29 AM

PonceAlyosha: Why on Earth would you attack Sikhs anyway? It's like the single least confrontational religion/ideology on the goddamn planet.


Because you are too dumb or lazy to know the difference between the Sikhs and Muslims, and you blame Muslims for the fact that you are loser rather than face reality.
 
2012-08-08 01:58:05 AM

A Terrible Human: davidphogan: Obviously. It's not like Mitt would drink Wild Cherry Pepsi.

Wait a minute was the pop from that horribly phony photo shoot of him buying groceries caffeine free or normal?


I thought it was Caffeine Free Diet Coke, Wild Cherry Pepsi (to show he's a little crazy!) and water. Oh, and two ears of corn. Maybe I missed something?
 
2012-08-08 01:58:59 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Stupidity is absolutely the most confrontational human condition in the entire frikkin solar system

/and it will attack anything it doesn't understand
//which is everything


But one of the Sikh's central tenants is carrying around a wicked, curved knife. They've got to be one of the worst possible populations to attack. They're all armed, damnit!

/I suppose your stupidity clause could indicate he thought Sikhs were Muslim...
 
2012-08-08 01:59:04 AM
Dubya was dumb. Rmoney is just a DORK. An awkward dork who has zero charisma. When he and Obama are in a room together debating, it'll be curtains for whatever is left of Rmoney's chances.
 
2012-08-08 02:00:04 AM

Gwyrddu: Because you are too dumb or lazy to know the difference between the Sikhs and Muslims, and you blame Muslims for the fact that you are loser rather than face reality.


I thought the appropriate way to find out which they are is to calmly ask if the can kindly do the needful?

/sorry
 
2012-08-08 02:01:12 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Stupidity is absolutely the most confrontational human condition in the entire frikkin solar system

/and it will attack anything it doesn't understand
//which is everything

But one of the Sikh's central tenants is carrying around a wicked, curved knife. They've got to be one of the worst possible populations to attack. They're all armed, damnit!

/I suppose your stupidity clause could indicate he thought Sikhs were Muslim...


Hehe, my son's obstetrician never carried one.
 
2012-08-08 02:02:44 AM
i.imgur.com

upload.wikimedia.org

Of course its not a huge constituency yet, but contemporary American Sikhs are traditionally drawn to the Republican Party for their support of petroleum and agriculture subsidies as well as social conservatism. The only Sikh to far to serve in Congress was a PhD Mathmatician and lettuce farmer named Dalip Singh Saund. This incident s going to peel that constituency away from Gov. Romney's candidacy.
 
2012-08-08 02:06:53 AM
Oh come on, give the guy a break. He isn't a bigot. He dislikes the little people equally. To Romney, there are two types of people: billionaires who he sucks up to and the scum. To him, sheikhs, Sikhs, they are all equally brown to him.
 
2012-08-08 02:07:30 AM
i.ebayimg.com
 
2012-08-08 02:08:24 AM

Sabyen91: You know, I mispronounced the word before this incident. I pronounced it as seek, rather than sick.


Different constituencies pronounce it differently. Even among Sikhs there isn't necessarily a uniform pronunciation. Most Sikhs I've known pronounce it somewhere between 'seek' and 'sick' depending on their linguistic relationship with Punjabi. Sort of like having to try and pronounce the city of Cairns in Queensland, Australia. Its not "Kay-erns" and not "Karns" but somewhere in the middle of the two. Easy for most Australians. Less so for most Americans.
 
2012-08-08 02:12:18 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Stupidity is absolutely the most confrontational human condition in the entire frikkin solar system

/and it will attack anything it doesn't understand
//which is everything

But one of the Sikh's central tenants is carrying around a wicked, curved knife. They've got to be one of the worst possible populations to attack. They're all armed, damnit!

/I suppose your stupidity clause could indicate he thought Sikhs were Muslim...


My swiss army knife is much more threatening than most kirpans

/kirpans don't have corkscrews
//he didn't think they were Muslim, he thought they were RAGHEADS
///same/same to delusional assholes everywhere
 
2012-08-08 02:14:03 AM
I've always wanted to see the Golden Temple.

sat shri akal, mofos
 
2012-08-08 02:14:04 AM

Somacandra: Sabyen91: You know, I mispronounced the word before this incident. I pronounced it as seek, rather than sick.

Different constituencies pronounce it differently. Even among Sikhs there isn't necessarily a uniform pronunciation. Most Sikhs I've known pronounce it somewhere between 'seek' and 'sick' depending on their linguistic relationship with Punjabi. Sort of like having to try and pronounce the city of Cairns in Queensland, Australia. Its not "Kay-erns" and not "Karns" but somewhere in the middle of the two. Easy for most Australians. Less so for most Americans.


I could have sworn my son's obstetrician said "seek" (he had just started wearing a turban so the topic came up). My mom had a friend that said "sick" and every news organization is saying it that way. I thought maybe I misremembered. Maybe I didn't. So it is geographical?.
 
2012-08-08 02:15:03 AM
He's still go nothing on GWB.
 
2012-08-08 02:15:17 AM

Sabyen91: Hehe, my son's obstetrician never carried one.


SINO.

The necklace baubles don't count when it comes to defending the defenseless.
 
2012-08-08 02:17:01 AM

Somacandra: Different constituencies pronounce it differently. Even among Sikhs there isn't necessarily a uniform pronunciation. Most Sikhs I've known pronounce it somewhere between 'seek' and 'sick' depending on their linguistic relationship with Punjabi.



I've only ever heard "seek." This week is the first time I've heard it pronounced "sick," but that seems to be how most of the US news media are saying it.
 
2012-08-08 02:17:28 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Sabyen91: Hehe, my son's obstetrician never carried one.

SINO.

The necklace baubles don't count when it comes to defending the defenseless.


Hehe, I am wondering how the Hippocratic Oath would clash with the knives. I would have been uncomfortable if my son's delivery had involved a khanda.
 
2012-08-08 02:18:10 AM

RadioAaron: Bathia_Mapes: here's the article:

Many thanks!


:-)
 
2012-08-08 02:20:36 AM

Somacandra:

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Is that Andy Garcia?
 
2012-08-08 02:23:04 AM

Sabyen91: Hehe, I am wondering how the Hippocratic Oath would clash with the knives. I would have been uncomfortable if my son's delivery had involved a khanda.


Well surgery of all kinds involves knives nowadays.

And if your surgeon whipped out a khanda, at least he has the greater good in mind, if not that of your or your wife's taint.
 
2012-08-08 02:23:43 AM

Sabyen91: I thought maybe I misremembered. Maybe I didn't. So it is geographical?.


In my experience it is partly geographical, partly linguistic and partly generational, at least with American Sikhs. Younger American Sikhs have responded better to the pronounciation of "seek" partly because it fits with the literal definition of the word "sikh" as "student" i.e. a student is a kind of seeker. The 3HO organization of American white-turbaned Sikhs that grew so much in the 1970's also has gone for that pronunciation. SIkhs I've met in other countries have varied --I've never figured out a pattern to explain the variances I've found elsewhere. I wouldn't worry too much about it. I've found a similar variance between the words "Moslem" and "Muslim." You'll hear both depending on where you are and who you're talking to and what their relationship with Arabic is.
 
2012-08-08 02:24:16 AM

Somacandra: Sabyen91: You know, I mispronounced the word before this incident. I pronounced it as seek, rather than sick.

Different constituencies pronounce it differently. Even among Sikhs there isn't necessarily a uniform pronunciation. Most Sikhs I've known pronounce it somewhere between 'seek' and 'sick' depending on their linguistic relationship with Punjabi. Sort of like having to try and pronounce the city of Cairns in Queensland, Australia. Its not "Kay-erns" and not "Karns" but somewhere in the middle of the two. Easy for most Australians. Less so for most Americans.


My brother knows some dude who's the direct descendant of one of the major Sikh gurus and he pronounces it somewhere between "seek" and "sick". I figure with that pedigree he knows how to pronounce the religion that one of his ancestors helped found.

That guy, incidentally, was living in Moscow during the Soviet war in Afghanistan and ended up deciding to stop wearing the turban after narrowly escaping with his life on more than one occasion. Seems that Americans aren't the only ones who are too stupid to tell Sikhs apart from other brown people who wear things on their heads, in his case he'd get mistaken for an Afghan by random Russians who weren't happy about how their little adventure in Afghanistan was going.
 
2012-08-08 02:24:30 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: your or your


"You or your," damnit.
 
2012-08-08 02:25:42 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Sabyen91: Hehe, I am wondering how the Hippocratic Oath would clash with the knives. I would have been uncomfortable if my son's delivery had involved a khanda.

Well surgery of all kinds involves knives nowadays.

And if your surgeon whipped out a khanda, at least he has the greater good in mind, if not that of your or your wife's taint.


The last memory I have of the birth was Doctor Dhillon forearm deep in my ex-wife fishing out the placenta. Sikh's are brutal, nasty people. :)
 
2012-08-08 02:27:12 AM

Somacandra: Sabyen91: I thought maybe I misremembered. Maybe I didn't. So it is geographical?.

In my experience it is partly geographical, partly linguistic and partly generational, at least with American Sikhs. Younger American Sikhs have responded better to the pronounciation of "seek" partly because it fits with the literal definition of the word "sikh" as "student" i.e. a student is a kind of seeker. The 3HO organization of American white-turbaned Sikhs that grew so much in the 1970's also has gone for that pronunciation. SIkhs I've met in other countries have varied --I've never figured out a pattern to explain the variances I've found elsewhere. I wouldn't worry too much about it. I've found a similar variance between the words "Moslem" and "Muslim." You'll hear both depending on where you are and who you're talking to and what their relationship with Arabic is.


Huh, thanks for the info.
 
2012-08-08 02:29:01 AM
I'm amazed at the excuse his handlers gave.

It was a long day? He was tired?

That is so close to saying "you can't expect him to tell the difference between THOSE people", it is astonishing.
 
2012-08-08 02:31:06 AM

Sabyen91: The last memory I have of the birth was Doctor Dhillon forearm deep in my ex-wife fishing out the placenta. Sikh's are brutal, nasty people. :)


Ugh. I have a theory that any doctor that focuses on a specific body part has serious mental issues. I have rarely been proven wrong in this completely unsubstantiated assumption based on hearsay and anecdotes. Sure, the doctor may be a sixty year-old, respected author of multiple medical journals, but at around age twenty-five he decided "Hey, I want to dedicate my life to asses."
 
2012-08-08 02:31:26 AM

RadioAaron: Is that Andy Garcia?


It does look like him from that angle, doesn it? Here are some more archival photos of Congressman Saund, courtesy the South Asian-American Digital Archive. This is a flyer from one of his Congressional campaigns:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-08 02:32:00 AM

downpaymentblues: I'm amazed at the excuse his handlers gave.

It was a long day? He was tired?

That is so close to saying "you can't expect him to tell the difference between THOSE people", it is astonishing.


Don't expect him to be on top of his game for that 3 o'clock call.
 
2012-08-08 02:33:19 AM

Xyphoid: A Terrible Human: Xyphoid: it's a common Republican device to turn their opponents into "elitists" while making a really big subconscious appeal to the common man.

But that won't work with Romney because he's worth 240 farking million dollars. In this race it seems that Romney is the elitist.

Oh, I agree that objectively it appears that Rmoney is the elitist, but subjectively the Right has been painting President Obama as an elitist for years upon years, and most people I've talked to who vote Republican see Rmoney more as just a rich American than an elitist. I mean, check out his act when in public, and compare it to his act in front of his base, and he really, really tries to take populist(-ish) positions and look as common as he can be while being, "unfortunately" super rich. Look at how well it has worked so far, instead of people thinking he is a manipulative psychopath (He is) they think he is a blundering fool. Sure, we can Occam's razor it down to him being pretty foolish in many aspects, but many of them are just side effects of psychopathy, though some of them are just due to being completely out of touch.


My money is on Asperger's.
 
2012-08-08 02:33:33 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Sabyen91: The last memory I have of the birth was Doctor Dhillon forearm deep in my ex-wife fishing out the placenta. Sikh's are brutal, nasty people. :)

Ugh. I have a theory that any doctor that focuses on a specific body part has serious mental issues. I have rarely been proven wrong in this completely unsubstantiated assumption based on hearsay and anecdotes. Sure, the doctor may be a sixty year-old, respected author of multiple medical journals, but at around age twenty-five he decided "Hey, I want to dedicate my life to asses."


Nothing wrong with specializing.

cache.daylife.com
 
2012-08-08 02:36:09 AM

Sabyen91: Nothing wrong with specializing.


That was so amazing that I will now go to sleep under the watchful eye of the sheiks and their tiny pendant knives.

/laughter OL
 
2012-08-08 02:37:17 AM

saintstryfe: .......

/I doubt this would actually cost him any votes, except maybe a few for people who say "Wow, this guy is dumb."
//but his communications team needs to be drug out into the street and shot.


More likely his communication team is out in the street doing shots.
 
2012-08-08 02:38:20 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Sabyen91: Nothing wrong with specializing.

That was so amazing that I will now go to sleep under the watchful eye of the sheiks and their tiny pendant knives.

/laughter OL


Sheiks the Clown will look over you in your slumber.
 
2012-08-08 02:42:32 AM
I guess this proves that B-minus report card was genuine.

--The C in French proves that he's a real American.

--"Mitt is doing well. He is a more responsible citizen this year." Would like to know what he was up to the year before!
 
2012-08-08 02:45:43 AM

Sabyen91: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Sabyen91: Nothing wrong with specializing.

That was so amazing that I will now go to sleep under the watchful eye of the sheiks and their tiny pendant knives.

/laughter OL

Sheiks the Clown will look over you in your slumber.


"Say, wait a minute! You clowns are on GOPe!"
 
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