why would charges even be considered?

HenryFnord: why would charges even be considered?

The man said he smelled gas "constantly" after making whatever after-market modifications he did.

That just might have something to do with it, I'd think.

With how the door is burned I would think something in the door started the fire over the cigarette. If the mix is right a lit cigarette could ignite gas vapors, but a spark would be much more likely.

so what? when did being a victim of your own dumbassery become illegal?

HenryFnord: so what? when did being a victim of your own dumbassery become illegal?

I dunno, when did having fire and police on the scene and having to close the entire road off because of your dumbassery start costing your municipality nothing?

I smell gas, anybody got a light?

The only way that could be better is if he handed someone his beer first.

HenryFnord: so what? when did being a victim of your own dumbassery become illegal?

It does seem that he's already punished himself, just like the clown in Florida that lost his hand when feeding the gator.

I'm trying to think of a mod you would reasonably do to a V6 Mustang that might cause gas fumes. Maybe he was sloppy upgrading the muffler and cut into the fuel line? Protip: avoid driving cars that smell like gas, and Pintos.

FTA: After talking with the car's owner, investigators learned that he had done after-market changes to his car and that gas fumes were a constant issue.

I wonder if this guy is boned with regard to his insurance paying for the damages.

karmaceutical: I dunno man. I've witnessed some pretty heavy gas fumes around smokers with no incident. Heck, I've seen mechanics weld and torch under leaking cars with a black velvet and coke in the other hand and a cigarette in their mouth. No (accidental) explosions to report... yet. There certainly must be more to this story.

Falls under the heading "Don't try this at home" I believe.

DragonIV: I'm trying to think of a mod you would reasonably do to a V6 Mustang that might cause gas fumes. Maybe he was sloppy upgrading the muffler and cut into the fuel line? Protip: avoid driving cars that smell like gas, and Pintos.

A lot of people that think of themselves as tuners (as evidenced by painted dashboards etc.) like to screw with the intakes. Very often to the detriment of the vehicle.

DragonIV: I'm trying to think of a mod you would reasonably do to a V6 Mustang that might cause gas fumes. Maybe he was sloppy upgrading the muffler and cut into the fuel line? Protip: avoid driving cars that smell like gas, and Pintos.

Home NOS kit.

HenryFnord: so what? when did being a victim of your own dumbassery become illegal?

God, I hope so. At least make him liable for the cost of the emergency services response.

There's "honest mistake" and then there's "I've been smelling gas for a while but whatever". Mitigating damages and somesuch.

DragonIV: I'm trying to think of a mod you would reasonably do to a V6 Mustang that might cause gas fumes. Maybe he was sloppy upgrading the muffler and cut into the fuel line? Protip: avoid driving cars that smell like gas, and Pintos.

THIS ^

A. Why the hell would anyone own a V6 mustang?? Ill bet its an automatic as well...

2. There are no "aftermarket" mods that would result in a constant fuel smell inside the car.

D. I'm betting the owner installed some giant sub's in the trunk and used sheet metal screws to secure them to the floor, drilling into the tank/fuel lines in the process.

so we're using the justice system as a cost recovery mechanism for emergency services?

anytime fire / ems rolls charges have to be forthcoming?

what if someone accidentally throws water on a grease fire and sets their house ablaze?

why not just deputise ems and issue them charge books as well?

Back when I was in high school and hydraulics/low riders were "all the rage", this one guy made ridiculous amounts of modifications to his truck including hydraulics, crazy expensive paint job, big stereo, etc etc. He was "cruising" through this shopping center's parking lot after a policeman told him to stop loitering and "cruising" unless he was there to patronize the businesses. He continued to cruise through a few more times, eventually getting his truck stuck on a speed bump (because it sat so low). He couldn't get it off the speed bump and the cop sat and watched while laughing. Eventually the truck caught fire and burnt to the ground. The guy was pissed at the cop because he wouldn't help. Cop's fault? I say no.

HenryFnord: so we're using the justice system as a cost recovery mechanism for emergency services that were completely necessary because you fail at basic physics?


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SkunkWerks: HenryFnord: so we're using the justice system as a cost recovery mechanism for emergency services that were completely un-necessary because you fail at basic physics?


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HenryFnord: so we're using the justice system as a cost recovery mechanism for emergency services?

No. We still use taxes for that, same as always. I think farkers are just advocating using whether emergency services roll as an influencing factor on whether charges are filed or not.

There's many who tried to prove that they're faster
But they didn't last and they died as they tried

SHOW ME THE CAR FOX (again)

Alright, what sort of "modifications" are we talking about that cause fuel leakage? High pressure fuel pump? Glass filter?

How about we agree that what this dude did was totally screw up, is probably no real sort of mechanic, and basically a total dumbshiat. We call those guys "ricky racer" around here. They do all sort of interesting and amusing shiat to their cars. 2x4 WOOD blocks on their springs to lower the cars down or cut the springs with torches. They'll draw power for their bumpin' stereos directly from the alternators with a separate battery (which geeks the computer), install glass fuel filters and then let them rest on the exhaust. Install pretty looking but cheap-ass braided hose on their fuel lines with cheap-ass hose clamps and high pressure fuel pumps.

We had one guy come in needing a new clutch, a 90's 7-series BMW. Wanted a full oil change and such to go along with that. Also complained of electrical problems. Did all the other stuff before I was going to mess with the electricals. When I finished the oil change, I reached through the window to start the engine and as soon as it started, the windows rolled up about 3 times as fast as they normally would, almost cutting my head off and the doors all locked. He'd installed custom high speed electrical motors on the windows and rigged the door locks to lock as soon as the motor started. His interior lit up like a Christmas tree for all the LED lights he'd strung around, which was very pretty and kinda cool but totally half-ass. Tried to call him repeatedly to see about a spare key to open the damn thing and ended up leaving the car to run all night with the exhaust going out a hose through the bay door. He got chewed out when he came in the next afternoon to pick his car up.

There are some seriously stupid people out there doing things to their cars that they have no clue whatsoever about.

If you don't know how to work on a car, do not work on a car.

NBSV: With how the door is burned I would think something in the door started the fire over the cigarette. If the mix is right a lit cigarette could ignite gas vapors, but a spark would be much more likely.


It wasn't the lit cigarette that ignited the fumes, it was the lighting of said cigarette, involving spark and flame, that did it.

Random Discord: DragonIV: I'm trying to think of a mod you would reasonably do to a V6 Mustang that might cause gas fumes. Maybe he was sloppy upgrading the muffler and cut into the fuel line? Protip: avoid driving cars that smell like gas, and Pintos.

THIS ^

A. Why the hell would anyone own a V6 mustang?? Ill bet its an automatic as well...

2. There are no "aftermarket" mods that would result in a constant fuel smell inside the car.

D. I'm betting the owner installed some giant sub's in the trunk and used sheet metal screws to secure them to the floor, drilling into the tank/fuel lines in the process.

I wondered that too, but it could possibly be a GT seeing that he did change the grille - he could have removed the factory fog lights. Those do look like stock GT wheels though. Who knows - I mean, it's not like this guy was Carroll Shelby or anything.

Random Discord: Why the hell would anyone own a V6 mustang?

For starters the new ecoboost V6 Mustangs are excellent and a great platform to work from. I do not own one.

Secondly, anyone who still uses the "no replacement for displacement" mindset needs to go park his Nova and read a bit more about engine performance and how it works.

FTFA (sort of): pictures show that it does have a single exhaust, which is indicative of the V6 mustang - should have viewed them first. fml

If costs should be recovered, which I don't necessarily agree with, use the civil justice mechanism to recover them. Charging dumbasses serves no legitimate purpose. There's no deterrent factor. Charging dumbasses for being dumbasses sounds like nothing more than kicking someone when they're down because you can.

People are farking stupid. All people. You're stupid, I'm stupid, that farkwit over there is stupid too. We've all done stupid things. We are a stupid, stupid race. I don't know penalizing that is going to serve anything. How we treat the least of us is how we should treat the best of us.

sagiphile: DragonIV: I'm trying to think of a mod you would reasonably do to a V6 Mustang that might cause gas fumes. Maybe he was sloppy upgrading the muffler and cut into the fuel line? Protip: avoid driving cars that smell like gas, and Pintos.

Home NAWS NOS kit.

/FastAndtheFuriousTFY

probesport: Random Discord: Why the hell would anyone own a V6 mustang?

For starters the new ecoboost V6 Mustangs are excellent and a great platform to work from. I do not own one.

Secondly, anyone who still uses the "no replacement for displacement" mindset needs to go park his Nova and read a bit more about engine performance and how it works.

Uh, forced induction (as in the Ecoboost) increases engine displacement.

HenryFnord: How we treat the least of us is how we should treat the best of us.

I'll start adhering to that when people stop subjecting gas fumes- which they've apparently been smelling for weeks- to open ignition sources.

I seem to recall a video of something very similar happening at a gas station recently.

HenryFnord: I don't know penalizing that is going to serve anything.

The owner of the station might sleep safer knowing this moron won't be revisiting his station for a while.

HenryFnord: If costs should be recovered, which I don't necessarily agree with, use the civil justice mechanism to recover them.

And he might just recover the cost of the damages Stupid caused.


In short, when Stupid goes Free to Play, we'll stop charging for it, okay?

Mad-n-FL: probesport: Random Discord: Why the hell would anyone own a V6 mustang?

For starters the new ecoboost V6 Mustangs are excellent and a great platform to work from. I do not own one.

Secondly, anyone who still uses the "no replacement for displacement" mindset needs to go park his Nova and read a bit more about engine performance and how it works.

Uh, forced induction (as in the Ecoboost) increases engine displacement.

You missed the point entirely.

Well, yeah, it's a Mustang.

Mad-n-FL: Uh, forced induction (as in the Ecoboost) increases engine displacement.

Not in the conventional nomenclature ... forced induction pumps more air into an engine of a given displacement. The displacement is a fixed calculation based on the engine geometry.

/ my shopping car still smells of 111 octane race gasoline from a jug I had in the trunk at the weekend, so getting a kick, etc.

probesport: Random Discord: Why the hell would anyone own a V6 mustang?

For starters the new ecoboost V6 Mustangs are excellent and a great platform to work from. I do not own one.

Secondly, anyone who still uses the "no replacement for displacement" mindset needs to go park his Nova and read a bit more about engine performance and how it works.

Ecoboost mustang will be released in 2015. What have you been working on?

I wonder if he's friends with this guy?

TheLoneDrunkman: probesport: Random Discord: Why the hell would anyone own a V6 mustang?

For starters the new ecoboost V6 Mustangs are excellent and a great platform to work from. I do not own one.

Secondly, anyone who still uses the "no replacement for displacement" mindset needs to go park his Nova and read a bit more about engine performance and how it works.

Ecoboost mustang will be released in 2015. What have you been working on?

Personally? Not the Ecoboost but have been quite familiar with it for a couple years in other platforms. Being in teh Detroit area actual release dates have very little to do with anything. I've ran test mules on the road years before the public knew they existed but that's just fun car guy stuff.

HenryFnord: why would charges even be considered?

Operating an unsafe vehicle?

stupid should hurt

Mad-n-FL: Uh, forced induction (as in the Ecoboost) increases engine displacement.

probesport: TheLoneDrunkman: probesport: Random Discord: Why the hell would anyone own a V6 mustang?

For starters the new ecoboost V6 Mustangs are excellent and a great platform to work from. I do not own one.

Secondly, anyone who still uses the "no replacement for displacement" mindset needs to go park his Nova and read a bit more about engine performance and how it works.

Ecoboost mustang will be released in 2015. What have you been working on?

Personally? Not the Ecoboost but have been quite familiar with it for a couple years in other platforms. Being in teh Detroit area actual release dates have very little to do with anything. I've ran test mules on the road years before the public knew they existed but that's just fun car guy stuff.

Understood. I also work in the industry so I'm familiar with the process. A test mule or interesting swap would be the only way.

Forced induction doesn't increase displacement. It can make the engine act like a bigger engine because it's putting in more air than the cylinders could normally hold. But the actual displacement remains the same.

There is still no replacement for displacement though. The extra size and different bore to stroke ratios will always be a factor. You can boost the hell out of a 1.8L Honda and make as much peak power as a decent small block v8. But, at the same power level the v8 will make more torque and produce more average power. Then you can build a really good small block and out power a small motor. I don't see many 500hp naturally aspirated vTech engines.

NBSV: There is still no replacement for displacement though. The extra size and different bore to stroke ratios will always be a factor. You can boost the hell out of a 1.8L Honda and make as much peak power as a decent small block v8. But, at the same power level the v8 will make more torque and produce more average power. Then you can build a really good small block and out power a small motor. I don't see many 500hp naturally aspirated vTech engines.

But that doesn't ell the whole tale either, I had an inline 8 engine that made a nice amount of torque but low Hp and it weight a billion pounds. I am not against any engine size, I own a random assortment of them at present and have had I4, I5, I6, i8, V6 and V8 engines (looking for a nice Lincoln V12 at present). But that whole well you can do the same with more displacement doesn't always hold up. Here is a great example.

You can more than double the power of an internally stock Probe (Mazda) V6 without major issue and can triple or further with a set of rods. You simple cannot do that to a 4.6 mod motor. You can build the 4.6m to excellent spec and make some great power with it but it will cost a bug chunk of change.

My hotrod is an SBC at the moment and it works fine. They make great power for what they are and are stone reliable. Flathead V8's cannot be made to pump out the power realistically however they are bigger than a 4cyl - I can find a handful of 1000+hp 4cyls.

Remember: HP impresses people, torque wins races. or the even better; Turbo's make torque and torque makes fun.

probesport: Personally? Not the Ecoboost but have been quite familiar with it for a couple years in other platforms. Being in teh Detroit area actual release dates have very little to do with anything. I've ran test mules on the road years before the public knew they existed but that's just fun car guy stuff.

Loved seeing the test mules when I lived in Rochester Hills, as well as cars not meant for US consumption (a London taxi springs to mind). Neighbor was an engineer for Ford (IIRC) and was always bringing home competitor's cars to benchmark. What a job!

Anyhow, the article gave me the excuse to post a picture of what a completely lame Mustang may look like:

probesport: NBSV: There is still no replacement for displacement though. The extra size and different bore to stroke ratios will always be a factor. You can boost the hell out of a 1.8L Honda and make as much peak power as a decent small block v8. But, at the same power level the v8 will make more torque and produce more average power. Then you can build a really good small block and out power a small motor. I don't see many 500hp naturally aspirated vTech engines.

But that doesn't ell the whole tale either, I had an inline 8 engine that made a nice amount of torque but low Hp and it weight a billion pounds. I am not against any engine size, I own a random assortment of them at present and have had I4, I5, I6, i8, V6 and V8 engines (looking for a nice Lincoln V12 at present). But that whole well you can do the same with more displacement doesn't always hold up. Here is a great example.

You can more than double the power of an internally stock Probe (Mazda) V6 without major issue and can triple or further with a set of rods. You simple cannot do that to a 4.6 mod motor. You can build the 4.6m to excellent spec and make some great power with it but it will cost a bug chunk of change.

My hotrod is an SBC at the moment and it works fine. They make great power for what they are and are stone reliable. Flathead V8's cannot be made to pump out the power realistically however they are bigger than a 4cyl - I can find a handful of 1000+hp 4cyls.

Remember: HP impresses people, torque wins races. or the even better; Turbo's make torque and torque makes fun.

You can't really lump everything together. A long stroke will make lots of torque but can't turn the rpms to make high end horsepower. And, a 4.6 four cam mustang motor will handle lots of power. The two and three valve motors aren't quite as strong, but they work well enough.

It's impossible to build a naturally aspirated small motor and get 1000+hp. A big motor with forced induction can still make tons of hp. All things considered I've worked on motors that weren't really that big making 800ish. Pro Stock runs big motors, but are making over 1500hp naturally aspirated. I'd like to see a lightweight 1000hp inline 4 run with one of those.