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2012-08-08 12:33:09 AM
Cool story.

How long until Apple sues him?
 
2012-08-08 12:39:09 AM
Wise old guy quotes:

* Nothing is withheld from us which we have conceived to do.
* Do things that have never been done.

Good stuff even without knowing that the guy did.
 
2012-08-08 12:39:51 AM
I was with him until he started giving credit to the old guy in the sky.
 
2012-08-08 12:45:24 AM
That pretty much gives him a golden CSB ticket anytime he wants.

/Cool.
 
2012-08-08 12:51:16 AM
Everything is permitted, nothing is forbidden.
 
2012-08-08 12:51:31 AM
FTFA "I've been against Macintosh company lately. They're trying to get everyone to use iPads and when people use iPads they end up just using technology to consume things instead of making things. With a computer you can make things. You can code, you can make things and create things that have never before existed and do things that have never been done before."

Old dude who sounds bitter and living off his inventions from 60 years ago doesn't get modern computers. News at 11. He clearly doesn't understand that with the tools available today - there are legions of new inventors being created and they are using iPads to achieve that.

He needs to get over it.

I'm not going to argue with the guy who invented the computer

Yes - you can. Especially when he clearly doesn't get the modern age and playing you for a chump.

/I have the same complaints about Woz
//and WWII vets
///bring on the haters
 
2012-08-08 12:52:53 AM
He did not invent the computer. His contributions seemed to have been very important, but the computer itself was created before, by many other people.

Maybe it wasn't Russell Kirsch himself but an impersonator, who knows?

Cool story nonetheless, but it sucks computing history is still so obscure, no mention of Turing? Von Neumann? That this guy didn't even know such basic info annoys me. (Not Kirsch, I'm pretty sure he knows who they are, the writer of course)
 
2012-08-08 12:55:36 AM

mantidor: He did not invent the computer. His contributions seemed to have been very important, but the computer itself was created before, by many other people.

Maybe it wasn't Russell Kirsch himself but an impersonator, who knows?

Cool story nonetheless, but it sucks computing history is still so obscure, no mention of Turing? Von Neumann? That this guy didn't even know such basic info annoys me. (Not Kirsch, I'm pretty sure he knows who they are, the writer of course)


He didn't say the computer, he said the first internally programmable computer.

And he is right, we have become far more of a society of consumers than creators.
 
2012-08-08 12:56:07 AM

gingerjet: FTFA "I've been against Macintosh company lately. They're trying to get everyone to use iPads and when people use iPads they end up just using technology to consume things instead of making things. With a computer you can make things. You can code, you can make things and create things that have never before existed and do things that have never been done before."

Old dude who sounds bitter and living off his inventions from 60 years ago doesn't get modern computers. News at 11. He clearly doesn't understand that with the tools available today - there are legions of new inventors being created and they are using iPads to achieve that.

He needs to get over it.

I'm not going to argue with the guy who invented the computer

Yes - you can. Especially when he clearly doesn't get the modern age and playing you for a chump.

/I have the same complaints about Woz
//and WWII vets
///bring on the haters


Sounds like he understands what computers are for, ie not sucking your own cock.
 
2012-08-08 12:59:58 AM

Fano: Sounds like he understands what computers are for, ie not sucking your own cock.


I don't know what kind of computer you've got, but mine doesn't help me not suck my own cock. It does nothing whatsoever to stop me, and in fact I think it likes to watch.
 
2012-08-08 01:00:30 AM

Fano: gingerjet: FTFA "I've been against Macintosh company lately. They're trying to get everyone to use iPads and when people use iPads they end up just using technology to consume things instead of making things. With a computer you can make things. You can code, you can make things and create things that have never before existed and do things that have never been done before."

Old dude who sounds bitter and living off his inventions from 60 years ago doesn't get modern computers. News at 11. He clearly doesn't understand that with the tools available today - there are legions of new inventors being created and they are using iPads to achieve that.

He needs to get over it.

I'm not going to argue with the guy who invented the computer

Yes - you can. Especially when he clearly doesn't get the modern age and playing you for a chump.

/I have the same complaints about Woz
//and WWII vets
///bring on the haters

Sounds like he understands what computers are for, ie not sucking your own cock.


gingerjet is just a fanboy getting pissed because somebody made a negative comment about Apple.
 
2012-08-08 01:02:38 AM

Fano:

Sounds like he understands what computers are for, ie not sucking your own cock.



This is why books are useless - you only consume, instead of write your own.
 
2012-08-08 01:03:43 AM

ongbok: gingerjet is just a fanboy getting pissed because somebody made a negative comment about Apple.


He was obviously upset over the violation of FanBoy Commandment #1 (from the book of Jobs): Thou Shall Not Speak Ill of Apple.
 
2012-08-08 01:07:49 AM

kmmontandon: Fano:

Sounds like he understands what computers are for, ie not sucking your own cock.


This is why books are useless - you only consume, instead of write your own.


No books help you to learn how to do things. What does playing angry birds on an Ipad help you to accomplish? His point is that Apples devices are becoming less and less focused on being a device useful to accomplish meaningful things and more about being useful for mindless drivel. Which is the trend these days with most consumer computer devices, because to tell you the truth that is what people want, but Apple is leading the race.
 
2012-08-08 01:08:18 AM
I agree with the old man in regards to the iPad: Mobile devices have just widened the gap between the content consumers and the content producers.
 
2012-08-08 01:08:51 AM

ongbok: mantidor: He did not invent the computer. His contributions seemed to have been very important, but the computer itself was created before, by many other people.

Maybe it wasn't Russell Kirsch himself but an impersonator, who knows?

Cool story nonetheless, but it sucks computing history is still so obscure, no mention of Turing? Von Neumann? That this guy didn't even know such basic info annoys me. (Not Kirsch, I'm pretty sure he knows who they are, the writer of course)

He didn't say the computer, he said the first internally programmable computer.

And he is right, we have become far more of a society of consumers than creators.


Kirsh didn't, the annoying writer did, "I'm not going to argue with the guy who invented the computer". I was referring to him.

Basically I agree with Kirsh, the blogger seems more concerned about tweeting this and look cool than to learn about computer science history though.
 
2012-08-08 01:13:24 AM

mantidor: He did not invent the computer. His contributions seemed to have been very important, but the computer itself was created before, by many other people.

Maybe it wasn't Russell Kirsch himself but an impersonator, who knows?

Cool story nonetheless, but it sucks computing history is still so obscure, no mention of Turing? Von Neumann? That this guy didn't even know such basic info annoys me. (Not Kirsch, I'm pretty sure he knows who they are, the writer of course)


It's not surprising, though. Think about it - we've used internal combustion engines for over a century, but ask questions about who invented many of the technologies that went into the development of internal combustion engines, especially if you ask about early technologies, and you'll get a bunch of blank stares, even from folks that work in the industry. "Who invented the carburetor?" I guarantee that if you ask that question to a room full of automotive technicians, 49 out of 50 of them would have to go look it up. (As did I, mind you.)

Kirsch's name isn't part of relatively regular conversation, like Turing, and it's hard to fault him for not knowing the intricate and interesting historical details of the early development of the tool he now uses.
 
2012-08-08 01:30:03 AM
The strange old man at coffee shop where I often go to work usually just goes on about the Google operative sitting nearby and snooping on our wireless internets
 
2012-08-08 01:30:29 AM
Wiki:"Although Kirsch did not work for NASA, his invention led to increased technology crucial to the 1960s space explorations,"

See? The technology came FIRST.
 
2012-08-08 01:34:28 AM
Oh my God that is so awesome I can barely type this I am so moved with tears in my eyes Thank you subby Thank you Russell Kirsch.
 
2012-08-08 02:18:00 AM

ongbok: And he is right, we have become far more of a society of consumers than creators.


As opposed to when? At what point in our society, or any human society, have people created more than they consumed?
 
2012-08-08 02:32:51 AM

Crudbucket: ongbok: And he is right, we have become far more of a society of consumers than creators.

As opposed to when? At what point in our society, or any human society, have people created more than they consumed?


For a while the internet looked like it was going to make everyone a creator. Then came Facebook and the iPad and all hope was lost.
 
2012-08-08 02:59:58 AM
Very cool story. I had one of the first personal digital assistants, and in my opinion, any device that can display an image for you to look at, can be used to create with. How people use these tools is entirely up to them. Whatever powers your starship I always say!
 
2012-08-08 03:03:08 AM

p4p3rm4t3: Very cool story. I had one of the first personal digital assistants, and in my opinion, any device that can display an image for you to look at, can be used to create with. How people use these tools is entirely up to them. Whatever powers your starship I always say!


Except that you have to hack your iAppliance to access the file system.
 
2012-08-08 03:44:45 AM
He really does hang out around Portland, and he's always seemed like a really nice guy. I guessed he was full of crap, and I was wrong. I was also wrong about Chuck Palahniuk, so don't listen to me.
 
2012-08-08 03:47:24 AM
They're trying to get everyone to use iPads and when people use iPads they end up just using technology to consume things instead of making things. With a computer you can make things. You can code, you can make things and create things that have never before existed and do things that have never been done before."


Most heartily agree. Don't own an iPad and don't want one. One of my brothers has one of the expensive things and it is cool, but actually limited. I use a laptop and a PC -- though my PC tends to be faster and enables me to add more memory than a laptop. Still, I can transfer information from the laptop to the PC and vise versa.

I use a basic cell, which can not download apps, not take pictures or videos, not connect to the internet and is used mainly for calls and voice mail. It costs me the tremendous and outrageous amount of $9.00 a month and right now I have 850 unused minutes left on it.

Folks will take the most magnificent technology ever, no matter what it is, dumb it down and use it basically as a toy.
 
2012-08-08 04:09:44 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Wiki:"Although Kirsch did not work for NASA, his invention led to increased technology crucial to the 1960s space explorations,"

See? The technology came FIRST.


Awesome! Proof that with basic science, you can then go out and apply it by wasting billions of dollars on pointless missions that will have no bearing on anybody whatsoever.

Meanwhile, while you were reading this, 2 kids in Guatemala died because they didn't have clean water to drink that would have cost about 80 cents PER YEAR to provide to them.

Hey, just imagine all the great practical outcomes that will eventually come to fruition if we terraform Gliese Omega-99z!
 
2012-08-08 04:16:49 AM

ongbok: What does playing angry birds on an Ipad help you to accomplish?


Learning temporal and proximity strategy, and tactics? Resource utilization? Problem solving skills? Planning? Attention to detail?

Yeah, nothing important that could be used in real life.
 
2012-08-08 05:10:52 AM

ongbok: mantidor: He did not invent the computer. His contributions seemed to have been very important, but the computer itself was created before, by many other people.

Maybe it wasn't Russell Kirsch himself but an impersonator, who knows?

Cool story nonetheless, but it sucks computing history is still so obscure, no mention of Turing? Von Neumann? That this guy didn't even know such basic info annoys me. (Not Kirsch, I'm pretty sure he knows who they are, the writer of course)

He didn't say the computer, he said the first internally programmable computer.

And he is right, we have become far more of a society of consumers than creators.


He's right about the technology but I don't think that applies to society as a whole. Consumers always vastly ounumber creators. The numbers in the audience are far higher than those on stage.

I agree with his point about tablets. There's a bit that can be done with them, drawing and adding filters to photos, but for the most part they're devices for consuming media. Browse webpages, listen to music, watch video, play games, read ebooks, that sort of thing.

If you want to edit sound or video, write code, create complex documents, draught models, paint or do complex image design and editing you're much better off using a computer with mouse, keyboard, full desktop OS and a hard drive. It's simply the better tool for the job. Tablets are great but IMO only worth having in addition to a desktop or laptop computer, not as a replacement.


Finally, I am quite greatly reassured to know that a few of the visionaries whose ideas and work have created the digital world that we take for granted today are still here to share their insight. We as a nation can never live down the shame for what we did to Alan Turing. We were graced by a true genius and destroyed him because of small minded bigotry.
 
2012-08-08 05:13:04 AM

slayer199: Wise old guy quotes:

* Nothing is withheld from us which we have conceived to do.
* Do things that have never been done.

Good stuff even without knowing that the guy did.


Of course you recognize that the quote is from Genesis 11:6 and is part of the story of the tower of Babel.


>
New International Version 1984
The Tower of Babel

1Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2As men moved eastward,a they found a plain in Shinarb and settled there.

3They said to each other, "Come, let's make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."

5But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. 6The Lord said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."

8So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9That is why it was called Babelc-because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

// How did that work out for you?
 
2012-08-08 05:18:23 AM

ongbok:
He didn't say the computer, he said the first internally programmable computer.


And that isn't true either. He developed the first American internally programmable computer, but the British were first with the Manchester SSEM and EDSAC.
 
2012-08-08 05:22:02 AM

Klopfer: ongbok:
He didn't say the computer, he said the first internally programmable computer.

And that isn't true either. He developed the first American internally programmable computer, but the British were first with the Manchester SSEM and EDSAC.


What did Ed think of them naming a computer after his sack?
 
2012-08-08 05:52:49 AM
Didn't we just have this discussion over the perpetual CNN "Whither the PC" article?

Anyway, I'm a Windows user, mostly because that's what I know due to where I've worked. One relative uses Mac, I know a couple if Linux users. I finally broke down and got a smartphone last year, partly because work is tightening up on "acceptable incidental use" policies, and because life circumstances meant I needed more remote control over some things while at work or while traveling. After using the phone, I had forgotten how much I missed my Palm IIIc.

For me, the smartphone has become a useful tool, but I refuse to get in on the debate over Android / iOS / Blackberry / Windows. I chose Android, partly to get LTE, but I also do tinker some, and maybe I'll root it and hack it at some point.

Tablet? Maybe someday. I thought about getting a Nook color and rooting it, again just to tinker.

But for productive work, I need a keyboard.
 
2012-08-08 05:56:18 AM

SevenizGud:
Awesome! Proof that with basic science, you can then go out and apply it by wasting billions of dollars on pointless missions that will have no bearing on anybody whatsoever.

Meanwhile, while you were reading this, 2 kids in Guatemala died because they didn't have clean water to drink that would have cost about 80 cents PER YEAR to provide to them.


1) Those kids died because of politics

2) get to post this yet again

3) Complain about something that uses real money instead of the pittance we spend on the sciences

4) I hope I'm not getting trolled. You're quoting QA so...
 
2012-08-08 06:28:33 AM

gingerjet: FTFA "I've been against Macintosh company lately. They're trying to get everyone to use iPads and when people use iPads they end up just using technology to consume things instead of making things. With a computer you can make things. You can code, you can make things and create things that have never before existed and do things that have never been done before."

Old dude who sounds bitter and living off his inventions from 60 years ago doesn't get modern computers. News at 11. He clearly doesn't understand that with the tools available today - there are legions of new inventors being created and they are using iPads to achieve that.

He needs to get over it.

I'm not going to argue with the guy who invented the computer

Yes - you can. Especially when he clearly doesn't get the modern age and playing you for a chump.

/I have the same complaints about Woz
//and WWII vets
///bring on the haters


Congratulations; you're favorited as "Neckbearded code asshole".

Enjoy.
 
2012-08-08 06:29:17 AM

SevenizGud: Meanwhile, while you were reading this, 2 kids in Guatemala died because they didn't have clean water to drink that would have cost about 80 cents PER YEAR to provide to them.


Why have you not yet sold your computer and sent the money to Guatemala? Don't you care about those kids?
 
2012-08-08 06:56:45 AM
Great, great story.

Made better because it was shared.
 
2012-08-08 07:01:04 AM
"I sat down at yet-another coffee shop in Portland"
"write another blog post"
"the new Macbook Air I had picked up a few days prior"


OMFG!
 
2012-08-08 07:02:47 AM

SevenizGud: Quantum Apostrophe: Wiki:"Although Kirsch did not work for NASA, his invention led to increased technology crucial to the 1960s space explorations,"

See? The technology came FIRST.

Awesome! Proof that with basic science, you can then go out and apply it by wasting billions of dollars on pointless missions that will have no bearing on anybody whatsoever.

Meanwhile, while you were reading this, 2 kids in Guatemala died because they didn't have clean water to drink that would have cost about 80 cents PER YEAR to provide to them.

Hey, just imagine all the great practical outcomes that will eventually come to fruition if we terraform Gliese Omega-99z!


6/10. I hope.
 
2012-08-08 07:37:27 AM
Old computer programmers never die...their hard drives just crash.
 
2012-08-08 07:42:14 AM

xanadian: Old computer programmers never die...their hard drives just crash.


Into a farmers' market.
 
2012-08-08 07:46:47 AM
It was an interesting exercise thinking through the list of computer pioneers and wondering which one it would be. von Neumann is dead, and so is Vannevar Bush (but did he invent anything like a computer or did he just make improvements and suggestions like the Memex)...

/Would not have guessed Russell Kirsch.
 
2012-08-08 08:04:36 AM

andrewagill: It was an interesting exercise thinking through the list of computer pioneers and wondering which one it would be. von Neumann is dead, and so is Vannevar Bush (but did he invent anything like a computer or did he just make improvements and suggestions like the Memex)...

/Would not have guessed Russell Kirsch.


Too bad it's too late for it to be the world's first programmer, Ada Lovelace:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-08 08:09:57 AM

Kraftwerk Orange: I was with him until he started giving credit to the old guy in the sky.


Maybe you can sleep better at night if you start thinking of god as an abstraction that codifies the creativity inherent in each human.
 
2012-08-08 08:30:21 AM

gingerjet: FTFA "I've been against Macintosh company lately. They're trying to get everyone to use iPads and when people use iPads they end up just using technology to consume things instead of making things. With a computer you can make things. You can code, you can make things and create things that have never before existed and do things that have never been done before."

Old dude who sounds bitter and living off his inventions from 60 years ago doesn't get modern computers. News at 11. He clearly doesn't understand that with the tools available today - there are legions of new inventors being created and they are using iPads to achieve that.

He needs to get over it.

I'm not going to argue with the guy who invented the computer

Yes - you can. Especially when he clearly doesn't get the modern age and playing you for a chump.

/I have the same complaints about Woz
//and WWII vets
///bring on the haters


4/10

Do tell us what you've invented or accomplished .
 
2012-08-08 08:31:56 AM
Had I created the first digital image, it would have been porn. Just so future generations could have the lulz.

/topless Cernettes?
 
2012-08-08 08:48:51 AM

Kraftwerk Orange: I was with him until he started giving credit to the old guy in the sky.


Or you know, he was referencing the fact that his quote is right out of Genesis (11:6) King James Version:

6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
 
2012-08-08 09:15:46 AM

kmmontandon: Fano:

Sounds like he understands what computers are for, ie not sucking your own cock.


This is why books are useless - you only consume, instead of write your own.


That's true, but on the other hand, you can pick up a book that was printed 100 years ago and still read it. Will you be able to do that with an iPad?
 
2012-08-08 09:24:42 AM

dittybopper: kmmontandon: Fano:

Sounds like he understands what computers are for, ie not sucking your own cock.


This is why books are useless - you only consume, instead of write your own.

That's true, but on the other hand, you can pick up a book that was printed 100 years ago and still read it. Will you be able to do that with an iPad?


It'll be exactly as useful in 100 years as it is today.
 
2012-08-08 09:25:21 AM
I have to disagree with the iPad thing. The iPad is a result of following his advice. I have made more music since I got an iPad than I ever have before. The iPad will get more powerful, capable.
 
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