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2012-08-08 11:27:47 AM
Wait, I'm told in all these Fark threads that IQ doesn't measure anything useful, so who cares what his IQ was?
 
2012-08-08 11:30:35 AM
Yeah. People who kidnap and murder others should be housed and fed for free by the taxpayers, for life.

You know, as long as they're really stupid.

/ but if they are smart, put 'em down.
 
2012-08-08 11:33:10 AM

arethereanybeernamesleft: SkunkWerks: Yes, that could be true, certainly. However, dead men have about a 0% success rate at having their sentence commuted.

Not necessarily true! Timothy Cole was exonerated--although he was still dead when it happened. Commutation, yeah, that would have been harder.


That's why I said "almost 0%".

Probably should have added that they're hardly around to enjoy it either.
 
2012-08-08 11:35:52 AM

ArmanTanzarian: Watch this TED Talk


The truly remarkable part is that is a good recent TED talk.
 
2012-08-08 11:35:54 AM
If you're stupid enough to actually believe this guy's IQ was 61 . . . well, It would explain why you'd have a personal interest in seeing that persons of low IQ aren't executed.
 
2012-08-08 11:36:53 AM

craig328: SkunkWerks: craig328: No mud in my water please.

I don't think you understood what I was getting at. You accused/stereotyped "the Left" as condoning the negotiation of who can and cannot be executed based on IQ to be ethically and philosophically permissible.

I think that's an ungenerous assumption.

Hang on...you don't think the ACLU can properly be called left leaning? You don't believe that those people who get bent about admissions testing, standards testing and like (who claim IQ tests are culturally biased against minorities) aren't what most people would describe as "the Left"?

I think perhaps your effort to try and carve a platform to argue from is is failing. Both groups are clearly and widely identified as being left of center...so if your argument requires suspension of that commonly held truism as a catalyst, you may want to borrow someone's drawing board.

Your attempt to reframe my comments to suit your argument isn't working. I appreciate and can understand the necessity for the attempt but redefining common knowledge isn't on the agenda this morning.


You don't seem to know much about the ACLU.
 
2012-08-08 11:38:27 AM

vegasj: If you're smart enough to pull a trigger, you're smart enough for the death penalty.


Also: Where did this poor, poor put upon man; a pariah of society; obtain the knowledge, skill and funds to acquire a firearm? Did his caretakers buy it for him? Did he obtain it through some social service program for the retarded? I mean, clearly he was so mentally deficient that he couldn't understand the difference between right and wrong. So he couldn't have actively sought out a handgun with the express intent of killing another human being, right? I mean... that'd be wrong.
 
2012-08-08 11:43:09 AM

give me doughnuts: You don't seem to know much about the ACLU.


That kind of statement pretty much establishes that one of us doesn't.

Srsly, if that kind of vague, nebulous, non-specific rebuttal was the best your debate skills could produce...well, I'll bet Wapner's on. You should go check at least.
 
2012-08-08 11:47:18 AM

SkunkWerks: That's why I said "almost 0%".


I'm with you man. The justice system in Texas is one of our major flaws. We have more people in our jails than Alaska has people. Or Rhode Island. Or Montana. Or... you get the point.

The biggest problem is that criminal courtrooms (all over the country, not just Texas) still use junk science that was long ago vetted in civil courtrooms and thrown out. Judges are almost 100% former prosecutors, and are little more than another prosecutor in a robe. And of course, we love a good guilty verdict. Texans don't want to pay for someone else's healthcare and don't like black presidents, but we love sending people to jail. Because nothing says small government like the world's largest prison system.
 
2012-08-08 11:48:34 AM

The_Sponge: Litterbox: First and foremost, this "retard" was able to manage a large drug selling operation.


For some reason, I just imagined what "Scarface" would have been like if Tony had been retarded, and let me tell you, it's hilarious.


This needs a photoshop contest ASAP!
 
2012-08-08 11:57:54 AM
They killed their own Governor?(clicks article)....Ohh.
 
2012-08-08 11:59:50 AM

craig328: give me doughnuts: You don't seem to know much about the ACLU.

That kind of statement pretty much establishes that one of us doesn't.

Srsly, if that kind of vague, nebulous, non-specific rebuttal was the best your debate skills could produce...well, I'll bet Wapner's on. You should go check at least.


The ACLU is hardly a left leaning organization. They take whatever stance is necessary, left or right, to protect what they consider protected rights. One day it may be protecting the free speech of neonazis(hardly a left leaning organization), the next day it may be protecting the rights of Occupy protestors. They don't care what party you belong to or what ideology you have.
 
2012-08-08 12:05:01 PM

craig328: Hang on...you don't think the ACLU can properly be called left leaning?


I think that's a different question entirely that has nothing to do with your observation- which concerned "the left", and not so much the ACLU- being ungenerous.

craig328: I think perhaps your effort to try and carve a platform to argue from is is failing.


I have such fun with people who see conspiracies and machinations in my statements that just aren't there.

craig328: Your attempt to reframe my comments to suit your argument isn't working.


Such fun.

Perhaps it wasn't my attempt to "reframe your argument" that isn't working (or maybe it is- things that don't exist by definition don't function, I suppose). Perhaps it was your attempt to frame your own argument?

Nah, couldn't be that...
 
2012-08-08 12:06:31 PM

arethereanybeernamesleft: Or Rhode Island.


...has potholes?

/totally doesn't live within spitting distance of RI.
 
2012-08-08 12:12:35 PM
Stupid people can't be criminals, and no one that speaks German can be an evil man.
 
2012-08-08 12:14:20 PM

craig328: give me doughnuts: You don't seem to know much about the ACLU.

That kind of statement pretty much establishes that one of us doesn't.

Srsly, if that kind of vague, nebulous, non-specific rebuttal was the best your debate skills could produce...well, I'll bet Wapner's on. You should go check at least.


The ACLU exists to defend the individual rights and liberties of all citizens as guaranteed by the Constitution. They really don't care where you are in the ideological spectrum.

Your vague mumbling about admissions testing and standards seems to indicate that your only source of information on te group are tose e-mails that your grandmother keeps forwarding. And frankly, it didn't deserve a more detailed rebuttal.

And since you seem to be pretty far out of the loop: Wapner hasn't been on for years. K-Mart still sucks, though.
 
2012-08-08 12:20:01 PM

bhcompy: The ACLU is hardly a left leaning organization. They take whatever stance is necessary, left or right, to protect what they consider protected rights. One day it may be protecting the free speech of neonazis(hardly a left leaning organization), the next day it may be protecting the rights of Occupy protestors. They don't care what party you belong to or what ideology you have.


I'll be happy to see your list of right leaning or right wing causes the ACLU has championed/defended. I'm sure there must be one or two (almost entirely confined to free speech cases) but if you're going to try and say that the causes they involve themselves in defending are spread equally...well...we'll just have to settle with an understanding that only one of us is familiar with the definition of "equally".

School vouchers, the role of religion in public, the entire 2nd Amendment and gun control...there's a rather large list of items they're definitely not on "the right" about. Feel free to list those they involve themselves with that they are though. You get extra points for ones that aren't 1st Amendment cases.

And meanwhile, I'll say it again: the left deplores the use of IQ testing to qualify for things like job advancement, school admissions, etc but they absolutely think they're great when it comes to which prisoners should actually have their death sentences carried out.
 
2012-08-08 12:24:20 PM

give me doughnuts: The ACLU exists to defend the individual rights and liberties of all citizens as guaranteed by the Constitution.


Really? Huh. You should send your thoughts to the NRA and every church charity program in the nation as they're all obviously mistaken. Thank God you arrived to sort it all out, huh?

Guess what: what their charter claims differs quite some bit from the work they actually do. You choose to believe in what they say, others choose to judge them on what they do.

Makes for a convenient conversational ploy though, doesn't it? I'll bet it works a lot more often on those whose IQs have been found wanting though.
 
2012-08-08 12:27:59 PM

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No, he's here, just posting under several alts.

/he doesn't like the precedent this sets. You know, in case he wants to murder some people in the future while dealing drugs.
 
2012-08-08 12:31:52 PM
In all fairness, I don't think retards are able to tell if others are retarded.
 
2012-08-08 12:33:05 PM
Being stupid is not the same as being retarded.

If this guy didn't care about school, other peoples property, other peoples lives and wanted to be a hardcore gangsta, then he can die with the rest of them.

fark THEM ALL!
 
2012-08-08 12:38:03 PM
He was smart enough to obtain a gun and murder someone with it. I'm ok with this.
 
2012-08-08 12:38:31 PM
The whole innocent people put to death argument is BS in modern times. Nearly every single case of someone possibly being exonerated after being put to death has been a case of a crime committed decades ago and now is being reexamined using modern forensic investigative techniques. It's not like anyone is bringing new evidence to light of a crime that was committed last year that exonerated someone. You never read stories about "Man set free after spending 2 years behind bars for crime he didn't commit", it's always "Man set free after spending 30 years behind bars for a crime he didn't commit", and there's a reason for that.
 
2012-08-08 12:43:09 PM

spman: The whole innocent people put to death argument is BS in modern times. Nearly every single case of someone possibly being exonerated after being put to death has been a case of a crime committed decades ago and now is being reexamined using modern forensic investigative techniques. It's not like anyone is bringing new evidence to light of a crime that was committed last year that exonerated someone. You never read stories about "Man set free after spending 2 years behind bars for crime he didn't commit", it's always "Man set free after spending 30 years behind bars for a crime he didn't commit", and there's a reason for that.


Whatever helps you sleep at night.
 
2012-08-08 12:43:24 PM
so if i kill someone and then score low on a test i get to walk?
 
2012-08-08 12:44:13 PM

spman: The whole innocent people put to death argument is BS in modern times. Nearly every single case of someone possibly being exonerated after being put to death has been a case of a crime committed decades ago and now is being reexamined using modern forensic investigative techniques. It's not like anyone is bringing new evidence to light of a crime that was committed last year that exonerated someone. You never read stories about "Man set free after spending 2 years behind bars for crime he didn't commit", it's always "Man set free after spending 30 years behind bars for a crime he didn't commit", and there's a reason for that.


So we were wrong then, but we're alright now. Got it. We can shut this thread down now. The system is perfect.
 
2012-08-08 12:45:35 PM
So Texas is executing it's ex presidents now?
 
2012-08-08 12:58:32 PM

craig328: bhcompy: The ACLU is hardly a left leaning organization. They take whatever stance is necessary, left or right, to protect what they consider protected rights. One day it may be protecting the free speech of neonazis(hardly a left leaning organization), the next day it may be protecting the rights of Occupy protestors. They don't care what party you belong to or what ideology you have.

I'll be happy to see your list of right leaning or right wing causes the ACLU has championed/defended. I'm sure there must be one or two (almost entirely confined to free speech cases) but if you're going to try and say that the causes they involve themselves in defending are spread equally...well...we'll just have to settle with an understanding that only one of us is familiar with the definition of "equally".

School vouchers, the role of religion in public, the entire 2nd Amendment and gun control...there's a rather large list of items they're definitely not on "the right" about. Feel free to list those they involve themselves with that they are though. You get extra points for ones that aren't 1st Amendment cases.

And meanwhile, I'll say it again: the left deplores the use of IQ testing to qualify for things like job advancement, school admissions, etc but they absolutely think they're great when it comes to which prisoners should actually have their death sentences carried out.


Considering their primary focus has always been first amendment issues, it's hard to see why you're making the argument that one should ignore their stances on it. Watch the movie Skokie for an accurate representation of how the ACLU operates along the first amendment, regardless of who they are working for.

The ACLU doesn't get involved in 2nd amendment issues other than making occasional statements about it. They agree with reasonable gun control and they think that gun ownership is a collective right.

The ACLU is ardently against the Patriot Act, SOPA, the DMCA, and other laws/proposed laws that violate privacy or due process rights. Any conservative would agree with that. Along with the first amendment, privacy rights and due process are their bread and butter.

The ACLU has filed suits against voucher programs when those voucher programs didn't provide too many real options past non-secular ones, such as what happened in Douglas County. I fail to see the problem with that situation. That's not a "conservative" issue, that's a societal fringe issue, like home schooling.

The most "liberal" issue they take is that of being pro-affirmative action.
 
2012-08-08 01:11:33 PM

craig328: give me doughnuts: The ACLU exists to defend the individual rights and liberties of all citizens as guaranteed by the Constitution.

Really? Huh. You should send your thoughts to the NRA and every church charity program in the nation as they're all obviously mistaken. Thank God you arrived to sort it all out, huh?

Guess what: what their charter claims differs quite some bit from the work they actually do. You choose to believe in what they say, others choose to judge them on what they do.

Makes for a convenient conversational ploy though, doesn't it? I'll bet it works a lot more often on those whose IQs have been found wanting though.


Once again: Those e-mails with "fw: fw: fw: fw: fw: Amerikan Communists Liberal Union" are not a credible, un-biased source of information.
 
2012-08-08 01:13:59 PM

Fat Old Broad: Texan here, and anti DP.

The execution of this guy is a new low, even for this state.

I've said it before, but my people have lost their way. I'm not sure why, but it's distressing.

It's not just the DP. There is open bigotry and misogyny. People thumb their noses at education. Religious extremism and intolerance abound. It's like some kind of New Dark Age, and I have no idea why.

/but I blame religion....( my apologies to any sensible people of faith)


do you live in Austin? if not, you should
 
2012-08-08 01:16:19 PM
After they execute murderers, I think they should lop their heads off and put them in a jar.

I'd pay a quarter to look at 'em!

Might be good educational material for those "Scared Straight" programs for "at-risk" kids, too.
 
2012-08-08 01:24:50 PM

slayer199: 2. It costs more than life in prison.


This can be fixed. For instance, it'd be relatively inexpensive to just push someone off a cliff at the Grand Canyon.
 
2012-08-08 01:43:47 PM
You're going to have to be more specific, submitter. There are a lot of retards in Texas. Almost all of our politicians, for one group. School administrators, for another.
 
2012-08-08 01:45:07 PM

doyner: Firethorn: and 'an innocent gets convicted' being unacceptable simply leads to no justice/criminal system at all

Yes, because convicting innocents and executing them is what justice is all about.


This is what conservatives morons like firethorn actually believe, though. They are terrified that somewhere, someone isn't being punished for something and they are willing to embrace a form of human sacrifice (the ready willingess to destroy an innocent person now and then) in order to prevent that.
 
MrT
2012-08-08 01:57:05 PM
It's always a bad sign when a state starts persecuting its brightest academics.
 
2012-08-08 01:59:06 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: UnspokenVoice: Actually, I love Mexico and love Mexicans. *sighs* That doesn't extend to Texans.

So you are a bigot.


Yes. I also tend to not like Germans and Japanese.
 
2012-08-08 02:05:20 PM

IXI Jim IXI: block


Ah, so you support the assassination of a former President. Nice.
 
2012-08-08 02:19:14 PM

gshepnyc: doyner: Firethorn: and 'an innocent gets convicted' being unacceptable simply leads to no justice/criminal system at all

Yes, because convicting innocents and executing them is what justice is all about.

This is what conservatives morons like firethorn actually believe, though. They are terrified that somewhere, someone isn't being punished for something and they are willing to embrace a form of human sacrifice (the ready willingess to destroy an innocent person now and then) in order to prevent that.


Haha, human sacrifice? That's funny. Nobody likes innocent people being put to death, here. But the problem isn't the death penalty itself. It's the fallible circus of a court system we have nowadays. The system that decides who's innocent and who's guilty. It needs an extreme face lift.
 
2012-08-08 02:22:30 PM
I've read a thousand comments on Fark about stupid people and how they should just die.
So how stupid do you have to get before you're defended by the same people?
 
2012-08-08 02:27:55 PM
IQ of 61 in Texas? That's near genius for them. Given that, I see no problem here.
 
2012-08-08 02:28:31 PM

doubled99: I've read a thousand comments on Fark about stupid people and how they should just die.
So how stupid do you have to get before you're defended by the same people?


99?
 
2012-08-08 03:04:15 PM

earthwirm: Stay firmly attached to the government teet of whatever state or basement you currently inhabit and don't think twice about moving to Texas!!!


Why does Texas need (or accept) $400m per annum in federal subsidies for agriculture alone?
 
2012-08-08 03:05:06 PM
We gotta bump the general intelligence of our population up somehow, and we're sure as sh*t not going to pay to educate people. What the hell else are we gonna do?
 
2012-08-08 03:08:04 PM

thespindrifter: God didn't institute specifically forbade the death penalty for murder just as an act of justice, but also to protect the murderers from the evil, unforgiving, vengeful assholes left behind who think that their unrepentant hate and bitterness can be justified. Death sends the murderer to face the only truly good judge there is, and spares them from the horrors of having to live in the prisons of this world.


Fixed that for you, brother.
 
2012-08-08 03:14:12 PM

orbister: thespindrifter: God didn't institute specifically forbade the death penalty for murder just as an act of justice, but also to protect the murderers from the evil, unforgiving, vengeful assholes left behind who think that their unrepentant hate and bitterness can be justified. Death sends the murderer to face the only truly good judge there is, and spares them from the horrors of having to live in the prisons of this world.

Fixed that for you, brother.


Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
 
2012-08-08 03:18:32 PM

bel4sucks: orbister: thespindrifter: God didn't institute specifically forbade the death penalty for murder just as an act of justice, but also to protect the murderers from the evil, unforgiving, vengeful assholes left behind who think that their unrepentant hate and bitterness can be justified. Death sends the murderer to face the only truly good judge there is, and spares them from the horrors of having to live in the prisons of this world.

Fixed that for you, brother.

Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.


Well, considering that god kills all of us eventally I guess that holds true.
 
2012-08-08 03:22:59 PM

spman: You never read stories about "Man set free after spending 2 years behind bars for crime he didn't commit", it's always "Man set free after spending 30 years behind bars for a crime he didn't commit", and there's a reason for that.


Indeed there is. It takes a long time for suppressed evidence to come to light.
 
2012-08-08 03:28:22 PM

bel4sucks: Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.


First draft. The death penalty was gone in the definitive version, three chapters later.
 
2012-08-08 03:35:04 PM

orbister: First draft. The death penalty was gone in the definitive version, three chapters later.


So where in The Altar of Burnt Offering does it say working on Sunday is now ok.
 
2012-08-08 03:55:29 PM

elchupacabra: IXI Jim IXI: block

Ah, so you support the assassination of a former President. Nice.


No...just a reduction in his property values.

Nice try though, "texan-american"
 
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