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2012-08-08 01:31:52 AM

Occam's Nailfile: How's about this...don't murder people, and then you don't have to worry about it, eh?


Except for all the innocent people on death row or already executed.
 
2012-08-08 01:32:15 AM
How "pro-life" of them

prolifeacrossamerica.org
 
2012-08-08 01:32:51 AM

Occam's Nailfile: Two things for certain, he's not going to kill anyone else again, and the family of the person he killed need never fear him again. Life in prison would not have guaranteed those two very important results.


The death penalty doesn't guarantee that the offender won't re-offend, because you'll never have p=1 certainty that you've killed the right guy.
 
2012-08-08 01:33:08 AM

OpieTaylor: I have an intellectually disabled son (Down syndrome). I always figured he was bulletproof. After seeing this, I'm sure glad I don't live in Texas.


It took that much to come to that realization?

Perhaps you had other things on your mind though.
 
2012-08-08 01:33:29 AM

Occam's Nailfile: How's about this...don't murder people, and then you don't have to worry about it, eh?



Because someone with an IQ of 61 is very capable of making rational decisions
 
2012-08-08 01:33:34 AM
Did they count to potato before injecting him?
 
2012-08-08 01:34:20 AM
was this the same one where the basis for giving the death penalty was based on Lennie Smalls from "Of Mice and Men"?

slayer199: Meh, IQ of 61 or not, I'm not in favor of the death penalty as a punishment for a number of reasons.

1. Putting one innocent person to death negates the death penalty (right now at a 140, but that doesn't help someone like Cameron Todd Willingham. You can't undo the death penalty.
2. It costs more than life in prison.
3. It has no effect as a deterrent.

So while people may yammer on that so and so deserved it...and there are people that DO deserve it, it's just not worth the cost both financially and as a society.


I will give you that and raise you Joyce Gilchrist
 
2012-08-08 01:34:39 AM
Did they run out of innocent people to execute already?
 
2012-08-08 01:35:16 AM

slayer199: Meh, IQ of 61 or not, I'm not in favor of the death penalty as a punishment for a number of reasons.

1. Putting one innocent person to death negates the death penalty
(right now at a 140, but that doesn't help someone like Cameron Todd Willingham. You can't undo the death penalty.
2. It costs more than life in prison.
3. It has no effect as a deterrent.

So while people may yammer on that so and so deserved it...and there are people that DO deserve it, it's just not worth the cost both financially and as a society.


And we're done here.

Kind of.

So I interviewed for a job that involved a lot of public outreach, and they asked me if I had any Letters to the Editor published. When I was, oh, 12 or so I think, my state briefly flirted with bringing in the death penalty even though we were one of if not the first to ban it. So I wrote the local paper and said that it's not something Jesus would have supported. Since I have a unique last name, the next day I got a guy quoting bible verses to me over the phone telling me I was a horrible, horrible person, and Jesus was SO TOTALLY FOR the Death Penalty. Being 12, I didn't just slam the phone down like I should have, although I didn't bother picking up the phone unless it was someone I knew calling for awhile.

Yes, Jesus. Totally death penalty.

/for all I disagree with now, having become an adult, with the Catholic Church I was raised in, at least they were consistently pro life.
//First political stance I remember my suburban Catholic church taking was fighting that possible death penalty reinstatement
 
2012-08-08 01:36:56 AM

beantowndog: In other states 61 would be rather low.


Oh snap!

Texas. Oh Texas. You make Mississippi look like Rhode Island.
 
2012-08-08 01:37:27 AM

intelligent comment below: Occam's Nailfile: How's about this...don't murder people, and then you don't have to worry about it, eh?


Because someone with an IQ of 61 is very capable of making rational decisions


Actually, at that IQ, they still can grasp what's generally wrong and right.
 
2012-08-08 01:38:15 AM

slayer199: 3. It has no effect as a deterrent.


What are you talking about? It is an excellent deterrent. Name one executed prisoner who has ever committed another crime afterwards. Go on, name a single one.
 
2012-08-08 01:39:08 AM

Mock26: slayer199: 3. It has no effect as a deterrent.

What are you talking about? It is an excellent deterrent. Name one executed prisoner who has ever committed another crime afterwards. Go on, name a single one.


Not sure if serious...
 
2012-08-08 01:39:13 AM

muck1969: So he had a gun, ran a business with no government regulation and probably didn't pay taxes, an IQ of 61, and strong religious leanings. And the Tea Party wasn't involved?


He was black. Duh.
 
2012-08-08 01:39:22 AM

slayer199: Meh, IQ of 61 or not, I'm not in favor of the death penalty as a punishment for a number of reasons.

1. Putting one innocent person to death negates the death penalty (right now at a 140, but that doesn't help someone like Cameron Todd Willingham. You can't undo the death penalty.
2. It costs more than life in prison.
3. It has no effect as a deterrent.

So while people may yammer on that so and so deserved it...and there are people that DO deserve it, it's just not worth the cost both financially and as a society.


How exactly?

Some years in death row + execution Vs 20-30 years if note more in prison.

Seriously, I want to know.

And I know many people spend more than a decade imprisoned before being killed. Like this guy. Which I find dumb.
 
2012-08-08 01:39:56 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: I wonder if California will vote to end the death penalty this year. Something tells me they won't.


Yeah... if anything I think it'd be "More! Faster!"

/the conservative fantasy is that California is liberal
//the inlands are red and getting redder
///I wish these assholes would just move to Texas and force secession
////El Dorado county
//summer slashiefest
 
2012-08-08 01:40:56 AM

intelligent comment below: Occam's Nailfile: How's about this...don't murder people, and then you don't have to worry about it, eh?


Because someone with an IQ of 61 is very capable of making rational decisions


And IQ of 61 says nothing about rational decisions. 61 doesn't imply any kind of psychosis, just stupidity. Stupid people are very well capable of making rational decisions, unlike untreated paranoid schizophrenics who have an IQ of 160.
 
2012-08-08 01:42:07 AM

rocky_howard: slayer199: Meh, IQ of 61 or not, I'm not in favor of the death penalty as a punishment for a number of reasons.

1. Putting one innocent person to death negates the death penalty (right now at a 140, but that doesn't help someone like Cameron Todd Willingham. You can't undo the death penalty.
2. It costs more than life in prison.
3. It has no effect as a deterrent.

So while people may yammer on that so and so deserved it...and there are people that DO deserve it, it's just not worth the cost both financially and as a society.

How exactly?

Some years in death row + execution Vs 20-30 years if note more in prison.

Seriously, I want to know.

And I know many people spend more than a decade imprisoned before being killed. Like this guy. Which I find dumb.


The appeals process, mainly. Currently, a prisoner can appeal just about a bajillion times on death row. Which is a double-edged sword.
 
2012-08-08 01:42:20 AM

foo monkey: You can't un-kill someone. Grats, Texas. You executed another retarded guy. Good on you. Assholes.


Kill one, elect one, kill one, elect one. It's the Texas way

according to the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas,

If you ever wanted to find a group of self-loathers even worse than the Log Cabin Republicans, this might be your group.
 
2012-08-08 01:43:13 AM
Oh, this should go well with the Loughner thread. Let's just kill everyone we can.

Kill them all and let God sort them out, or something like that. fark the Constitution and the Bill of Rights!
 
2012-08-08 01:43:26 AM
I guess this is why the Italian Mafia never amounted to anything down there.
 
2012-08-08 01:43:43 AM

Mugato: Occam's Nailfile: How's about this...don't murder people, and then you don't have to worry about it, eh?

Except for all the innocent people on death row or already executed.


And those who were too retarded to have comprehended what they did. Like Occam's Nailfile.
 
2012-08-08 01:43:48 AM

rocky_howard: slayer199: Meh, IQ of 61 or not, I'm not in favor of the death penalty as a punishment for a number of reasons.

1. Putting one innocent person to death negates the death penalty (right now at a 140, but that doesn't help someone like Cameron Todd Willingham. You can't undo the death penalty.
2. It costs more than life in prison.
3. It has no effect as a deterrent.

So while people may yammer on that so and so deserved it...and there are people that DO deserve it, it's just not worth the cost both financially and as a society.

How exactly?

Some years in death row + execution Vs 20-30 years if note more in prison.

Seriously, I want to know.

And I know many people spend more than a decade imprisoned before being killed. Like this guy. Which I find dumb.


You know the reason people have to spend that much time before they're executed is because they have to be given a chance to exhaust the appeals process completely- because once someone's dead, there's no righting a mistake.

That's an incredibly expensive, long process. The administration costs on it are insane. Life in prison is far, far cheaper.
 
2012-08-08 01:45:49 AM

bhcompy: intelligent comment below: Occam's Nailfile: How's about this...don't murder people, and then you don't have to worry about it, eh?


Because someone with an IQ of 61 is very capable of making rational decisions

And IQ of 61 says nothing about rational decisions. 61 doesn't imply any kind of psychosis, just stupidity. Stupid people are very well capable of making rational decisions, unlike untreated paranoid schizophrenics who have an IQ of 160.


And this. Back when I did a stint being a camp counselor at a day-camp for "kids" with mental and physical disabilities, there was plenty of "kids" there who probably fell underneath the 61 mark and still knew that murder was wrong.

/Well, they knew punching and hurting someone was wrong. I'm going to assume they knew murder was a no-no too.
 
2012-08-08 01:46:29 AM

2wolves: Poor Gov. Perry. His family will miss him.


Where's the "like" button on Fark?
 
2012-08-08 01:47:08 AM

natmar_76: 2wolves: Poor Gov. Perry. His family will miss him.

Where's the "like" button on Fark?


They call it Smart or Funny here.
 
2012-08-08 01:47:33 AM
So when does the murder victim come back to life?
 
2012-08-08 01:48:48 AM
Hey guys, crimes don't count if you're dumb. That makes the victims family feel ok.

"It's cool dad's gone, a dumb person did it"
 
2012-08-08 01:48:55 AM

bhcompy: And IQ of 61 says nothing about rational decisions. 61 doesn't imply any kind of psychosis, just stupidity. Stupid people are very well capable of making rational decisions, unlike untreated paranoid schizophrenics who have an IQ of 160.


An IQ of 60 CAN, however, suggest a lack of understanding of consequences.

I remember having a conversation with a person I support how T-mobile might not accept his application for a cellphone after his last phone got shut off for $100s in past due bills, and that his credit score being torpedoed by the 15 cellphone applications he put in that week couldn't be helping either.
 
2012-08-08 01:49:50 AM
In their appeal to the Supreme Court, Wilson's attorneys had pointed to a psychological test conducted in 2004 that pegged his IQ at 61, below the generally accepted minimum competency standard of 70. But lower courts agreed with state attorneys, who argued that Wilson's claim was based on a single possibly faulty test and that his mental impairment claim wasn't supported by other tests and assessments over the years.

But yeah, don't let the truth stand in the way of a good headline.
 
2012-08-08 01:50:12 AM
Don't blame the retards for this one. It's barbaric pure and simple.
 
2012-08-08 01:51:10 AM

video man: /Well, they knew punching and hurting someone was wrong. I'm going to assume they knew murder was a no-no too.


It all depends on how well they took to heart the old "Grandma isn't suffering anymore" talk...
 
2012-08-08 01:51:32 AM

rocky_howard: How exactly?

Some years in death row + execution Vs 20-30 years if note more in prison.

Seriously, I want to know.

And I know many people spend more than a decade imprisoned before being killed. Like this guy. Which I find dumb.


I have stuff saved in a folder somewhere that have the relevant statistics, but what the f--k, Google is your friend:

an effing Fox News link

Minsker said just keeping prisoners on death row costs $90,000 more per prisoner per year than regular confinement, because the inmates are housed in single rooms and the prisons are staffed with extra guards. That money alone would cut $63 million from the state budget. But other savings would ripple through every step of the criminal justice system as well, from court costs to subsidized spending for defense attorney and investigation expenses.

Quick and dirty cut and pasting, but there you go.
 
2012-08-08 01:51:54 AM
Missing your Air National Guard duty eventually catches up to you!
 
2012-08-08 01:52:25 AM
He had 5 IQ tests and scored above 70 on four of them. You can fool some of the people some of the time.
 
2012-08-08 01:52:36 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: //the inlands are red and getting redder


Err, lets see.. Inland population centers as of the 2008 presidential election:
Fresno - Democrat
San Bernardino - Democrat
Sacramento - Democrat
Riverside - Democrat
Kern/Bakersfield - Republican
San Joaquin/Stockton - Democrat
Stanislaus/Modesto - Democrat
Chico - Democrat
Tulare - Republican

As you can see, there is a trend. It's not the trend you're suggesting. 5 hard conservatives in a sea of liberals doesn't mean that the inland areas are getting redder and redder. On the contrary, many of those counties have moved the opposite direction in the past 20 years as immigrants and urban relocators moved in.
 
2012-08-08 01:53:30 AM

rocky_howard: Some years in death row + execution Vs 20-30 years if note more in prison.


Those sentenced to death row gets multiple appeal routes that are are often closed to people who aren't facing the death penalty.

So it comes down to being a choice between paying for a max of 50 years of jailtime and one trial, or paying for 20 years, a half dozen trials, and a heavy political backlash for whomever is in power when it comes out that an innocent person was put to death.
 
2012-08-08 01:53:53 AM
Quite frankly, I'm surprised that Texas hasn't returned to system where executions were carried out in public.

I'm sure that a lot of folks there would find them to be entertaining.
 
2012-08-08 01:54:11 AM

daysofinspiration: But lower courts agreed with state attorneys, who argued that Wilson's claim was based on a single possibly faulty test and that his mental impairment claim wasn't supported by other tests and assessments over the years.


Except, of course, for the a court-appointed neuropsychologist, who thought he was impaired.

But yeahy, like you said, don't let facts get in the way
 
2012-08-08 01:54:14 AM

Bucky Katt: Don't blame the retards for this one. It's barbaric pure and simple.


Are you talking about the guy they executed, or Texans in general. Difficult to tell...
 
2012-08-08 01:54:49 AM

richard_1963: Quite frankly, I'm surprised that Texas hasn't returned to system where executions were carried out in public.

I'm sure that a lot of folks there would find them to be entertaining.


They should make it like a dunk tank. Except they fall into a pit of spikes instead of a tank of water.
 
2012-08-08 01:55:47 AM

DoctorCal: Missing your Air National Guard duty eventually catches up to you!


LOL! I knew that if I held off on that one, someone else would decide to bring him up...
 
2012-08-08 01:56:03 AM
Every state has something.

Texas justice is even handed and broad, but at least they don't charge state income tax and their gun laws are fair.

California and Illinois are corrupt entitlement states, but at least their liberal center cities have decent food places.

South Carolina steriled women who weren't to standard, and our breeding programs inspired Adolf Hitler.

Florida is filled with the sorts of morons that Texas executes.
 
2012-08-08 01:56:43 AM
how about we just execute/abort everybody with an IQ of 115 or less?

/world would be a better place
 
2012-08-08 01:57:09 AM

the ha ha guy: Those sentenced to death row gets multiple appeal routes that are are often closed to people who aren't facing the death penalty.


...including the rarely-used "phone a friend"
 
2012-08-08 01:57:09 AM
For all the hate Texas is getting -- how many people would love to have the retarded murderer put up in a half way house paid for with your money, living on your block? Everyone is happy to sweep issues like this under the rug as long as it's not their money, and not in their town. Homeboy got 20 years of free room/board/food/medical care.



I find it fascinating that when someone commits a crime people love to latch on to some insignificant detail of the case. White, black, red, brown, purple, smart, dumb, rich, poor -- who cares? If you murder someone you really have no place in our society. The bleeding hearts say he was "mentally stunted"... okay. He was smart enough to get into a physical fight, and smart enough to realize that pointing a gun and pulling the trigger would kill someone.



If by some stroke of magic we were not trillions in debt and had a balanced budget, no packed prisons, and plenty of extra tax money to house and treat all the killers, rapists, and psychos... my outlook would change. However the reality is we have limited funds, limited capacity, and there are no room for these people in a functioning society.
 
2012-08-08 01:57:22 AM

rocky_howard: slayer199: Meh, IQ of 61 or not, I'm not in favor of the death penalty as a punishment for a number of reasons.

1. Putting one innocent person to death negates the death penalty (right now at a 140, but that doesn't help someone like Cameron Todd Willingham. You can't undo the death penalty.
2. It costs more than life in prison.
3. It has no effect as a deterrent.

So while people may yammer on that so and so deserved it...and there are people that DO deserve it, it's just not worth the cost both financially and as a society.

How exactly?

Some years in death row + execution Vs 20-30 years if note more in prison.

Seriously, I want to know.

And I know many people spend more than a decade imprisoned before being killed. Like this guy. Which I find dumb.



Oh, I missed the fun part at the end: People spend more than a decade in prison before being killed because of the APPEALS PROCESS to apparently ensure that we DON'T execute innocent people.

We still do, mind you.

Fun historical fact: that's one of the main reasons why Michigan does not have the death penalty:



In 1828, Patrick Fitzpatrick was hanged after being declared guilty for the rape and murder of an innkeeper's daughter. In 1835, Fitzpatrick's former roommate confessed to the murder on his deathbed, proving that Fitzpatrick had been executed for a murder in which he was innocent.


Also, this:



Michigan became the first English-speaking territory in the world to abolish capital punishment in 1847. Treason remained a crime punishable by the death penalty in Michigan despite the 1847 abolition, but no one was ever executed under that law. In 1962 a constitutional convention passed a proposal to abolish the death penalty for all crimes in Michigan by a 108 to 3 vote.


/proud of that history
 
2012-08-08 01:58:09 AM

IXI Jim IXI: DoctorCal: Missing your Air National Guard duty eventually catches up to you!

LOL! I knew that if I held off on that one, someone else would decide to bring him up...


A simple "Mission Accomplished" probably works better.
 
2012-08-08 01:58:22 AM

mr lawson: how about we just execute/abort everybody with an IQ of 115 or less?

/world would be a better place


...until you realize that those lattes don't pour and froth on their own.
 
2012-08-08 01:58:34 AM
At that level of intelligence, one can still differentiate right from wrong. I've interviewed patients with lower IQs than his, who were extraordinarily manipulative when it came to breaking laws or rules; they would always demand to go to the psych hospital when caught committing a crime - they understood what they were doing was wrong, and they also understood how to exploit the system to elude punishment.

This guy was intelligent enough to commit a terrible crime in which a 21 year old's life was violently and terrifyingly snuffed out; the young victim spent his last few hours on earth under incredible duress and sheer terror.

This retarded man demonstrated an understanding of why he was being executed, and what he had done to warrant that punishment - SCOTUS ruled that is the criteria for execution awhile back.

He may have been retarded, but at the end of the day, he was an evil retard, and I say good riddance.
 
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