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(BBC)   After one week of the Olympics, Kazakhstan has won more golds than its former oppressor. Very nice   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 43
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2012-08-07 05:14:27 PM
Must be the potassium.
 
2012-08-07 05:20:38 PM
I thought Russia had 10 gold medals.....
 
2012-08-07 05:21:35 PM
Cleanest hookers=Healthy athletes
 
2012-08-07 05:25:10 PM

Sergeant Crash: I thought Russia had 10 gold medals.....


they do now
 
2012-08-07 05:25:46 PM
...and they're not ALL in weightlifting!
 
2012-08-07 05:31:52 PM
Well, it is easier to qualify for the Olympics as part of one of the former USSR countries not named Russia. And since during the USSR the central government used forced migration of ethnic groups to create a "melting pot" and do away with any unity the people might find within their own group, there are a lot of atheletes that can claim to be from one of those 15 countries and actually have the documents to prove it without waiting the necessary years for naturalization.
 
2012-08-07 05:41:42 PM
And Vino was caught for doping before. Great tactical move to win the road race though.
 
2012-08-07 05:43:43 PM

Agarista: ...and they're not ALL in weightlifting!


That 19-year old who set the record, ummmm damn, whoever marries that is gonna know his place.
 
2012-08-07 05:52:01 PM
GREAT SUCCESS
 
2012-08-07 05:58:29 PM
Ping pong is not a sport. It is something you play in the basement when there is nothing good on T.V.. The winners of ping pong should not be able to say they are Olympic champions in the same way Usain Bolt or Andy Murray can..

Had to get that off my chest.
 
2012-08-07 06:05:00 PM

Pumpernickel bread: Ping pong is not a sport. It is something you play in the basement when there is nothing good on T.V.. The winners of ping pong should not be able to say they are Olympic champions in the same way Usain Bolt or Andy Murray can..

Had to get that off my chest.


*Your kid running around in the backyard* is to *Usain Bolt*
as
*You playing ping pong in the basement* is to *Olympics-level Ping Pong*
 
2012-08-07 06:06:58 PM

The Slush: GREAT SUCCESS



Is nice!!!
 
2012-08-07 06:08:40 PM
I'm just depressed that I want to applaud subby for proper use of "its" vs "it's."
 
2012-08-07 06:12:54 PM
Also doing much better than assholes from Uzbekistan.

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2012-08-07 06:19:13 PM

skazzytl: Pumpernickel bread: Ping pong is not a sport. It is something you play in the basement when there is nothing good on T.V.. The winners of ping pong should not be able to say they are Olympic champions in the same way Usain Bolt or Andy Murray can..

Had to get that off my chest.

*Your kid running around in the backyard* is to *Usain Bolt*
as
*You playing ping pong in the basement* is to *Olympics-level Ping Pong*


Kid A grows up to be fit and kid B ends up with a beer belly and a Cheeto stained shirt. Hell of a ping player though.
 
2012-08-07 06:19:59 PM

Pumpernickel bread: Ping pong is not a sport. It is something you play in the basement when there is nothing good on T.V.. The winners of ping pong should not be able to say they are Olympic champions in the same way Usain Bolt or Andy Murray can..

Had to get that off my chest.


Pumpernickel bread is not a username. It's something you see while you're signing up to Fark on those rare occasions when the laptop is in the kitchen. The creators of the user name Pumpernickel bread should not be able to say they are Farkers the same way PocketNinja or ontariolightning can.

Had to get that off my chest.
 
2012-08-07 06:22:53 PM

Decillion: Pumpernickel bread: Ping pong is not a sport. It is something you play in the basement when there is nothing good on T.V.. The winners of ping pong should not be able to say they are Olympic champions in the same way Usain Bolt or Andy Murray can..

Had to get that off my chest.

Pumpernickel bread is not a username. It's something you see while you're signing up to Fark on those rare occasions when the laptop is in the kitchen. The creators of the user name Pumpernickel bread should not be able to say they are Farkers the same way PocketNinja or ontariolightning can.

Had to get that off my chest.


PocketNinja must get mad tail at Fark events
 
2012-08-07 06:26:46 PM
Pumpernickel bread:
Kid A grows up to be fit and kid B ends up with a beer belly and a Cheeto stained shirt. Hell of a ping player though.


Olympic ping pong players don't have beer bellies and cheeto-stained shirts. They train 8 hours a day for years on end, just like all the other Olympic athletes.
 
2012-08-07 06:45:48 PM

p the boiler: Decillion: Pumpernickel bread: Ping pong is not a sport. It is something you play in the basement when there is nothing good on T.V.. The winners of ping pong should not be able to say they are Olympic champions in the same way Usain Bolt or Andy Murray can..

Had to get that off my chest.

Pumpernickel bread is not a username. It's something you see while you're signing up to Fark on those rare occasions when the laptop is in the kitchen. The creators of the user name Pumpernickel bread should not be able to say they are Farkers the same way PocketNinja or ontariolightning can.

Had to get that off my chest.

PocketNinja must get mad tail at Fark events


Sometimes even from women, occasionally from ones who are not stumbling drunk, and on a few magical evenings, *attractive* non-stumbling drunk women.

But usually it's more like a Shawshank storage room, without the tenderness and affection.
 
2012-08-07 06:53:39 PM
I was worried about the headline trolling into the political sphere, but I'm happy to see it stayed on the (funny) Borat jokes
 
2012-08-07 06:59:59 PM
But Israel never does well
 
2012-08-07 07:13:55 PM
came for pic of Borat leaving happy.
 
2012-08-07 07:59:14 PM

ZMugg: Must be the potassium.


Done in one.
//Other countries have inferior potassium.
 
2012-08-07 08:50:35 PM
And their golds have all the lack of controversy that you'd expect from any olympic boxing scorecard.
 
2012-08-07 10:23:14 PM
Well, all the other countries are run by little girls.
 
2012-08-07 10:24:19 PM
Many former soviet states were actually better off under the USSR.

/ducks
 
2012-08-07 11:08:53 PM
Did Kazakhstan win the gold medal in shoot dog?
 
2012-08-08 12:30:58 AM
They should've done better in the swimming events since they removed 80% of human solid waste in Tinshein swimming pool.
 
2012-08-08 12:53:56 AM
OhMyTVC15: Many former soviet states were actually better off under the USSR.

/ducks


See also: the various Yugoslavian states.
 
2012-08-08 02:12:34 AM
They've got more golds than Australia, too. Which is kind of sad, since sports is pretty much all they have down there. Well, sports and drop bears.
 
2012-08-08 02:52:36 AM

mootmah: Cleanest hookers=Healthy athletes


Second cleanest. Don't forget Turkmenistan.
 
2012-08-08 03:01:08 AM
You're telling me that if you separate a former country into almost two dozen new ones, the count medal for each of them would decrease? Color me shocked!

TOTAL USSR MEDALS

i.imgur.com

Yeah, if the USSR was united, they'd be leading the medal count...

Heck, even if you take the 15 medal difference between USSR and China as athlete that didn't qualify for the Soviet Team (and 15 being 17% of 88, that's not too far off), they'd still be co-leading the medal count.

Also, LOL at China being first. Luckily they have almost zero presence in the Track & Field events due to their tiny bodies. USA still has a chance to end as first.
 
2012-08-08 03:06:43 AM
Oh and China's performance shows your economic wealth is one of the big factors into getting a high medal count into the Top 10.
They're on their way to become The First Economy of the World and lo and behold, that's what their medal count points to.

Which makes Japan's performance laughable:

i.imgur.com

WTF Japan? You're a bunch of quitters. So many medals yet so low in the chart just because you can't get golds. They'd be 5th overall if they had gotten more yellow bling.
 
2012-08-08 05:34:26 AM

rocky_howard: You're telling me that if you separate a former country into almost two dozen new ones, the count medal for each of them would decrease? Color me shocked!

TOTAL USSR MEDALS

[i.imgur.com image 245x363]

Yeah, if the USSR was united, they'd be leading the medal count...

Heck, even if you take the 15 medal difference between USSR and China as athlete that didn't qualify for the Soviet Team (and 15 being 17% of 88, that's not too far off), they'd still be co-leading the medal count.

Also, LOL at China being first. Luckily they have almost zero presence in the Track & Field events due to their tiny bodies. USA still has a chance to end as first.


Medal counts do not work that way...it's not so simple as, "well, the nations of the former USSR have 88 medals, therefore the USSR would have 88 medals".

For instance, it would theoretically be possible for Azerbaijan, Ukraine, and Belarus to win gold-silver-bronze in mens' basketball...but the USSR didn't get to enter 3 basketball teams back in the day. I'm too arsed to be bothered to go look for the team sports where former USSR countries have won more than one medal in this Olympics, but I'm sure it's happened. So you'd have to take those off the 88 count.

Not to mention with 12 former republics, being able to enter 36 competitors in, say, the shotput instead of 3 greatly increases the likelihood that one of them is going to have a career day and walk away with a medal. For every 3 athletes the US sends in a given sport, there's probably half a dozen more that are just about as good but couldn't make it out of the Olympic Trials. Now imagine if those guys were spread out among a dozen mini-Americas instead.
 
2012-08-08 05:59:11 AM

Henry Holland: OhMyTVC15: Many former soviet states were actually better off under the USSR.

/ducks

See also: the various Yugoslavian states.


And British Empire
 
2012-08-08 09:20:40 AM

Pumpernickel bread: Ping pong is not a sport. It is something you play in the basement when there is nothing good on T.V.. The winners of ping pong should not be able to say they are Olympic champions in the same way Usain Bolt or Andy Murray can..

Had to get that off my chest.


They > you simply because they have Olympic gold and you don't. Oh, and you sound fat.

Had to get that off my chest.
 
2012-08-08 11:06:18 AM

schief2: rocky_howard: You're telling me that if you separate a former country into almost two dozen new ones, the count medal for each of them would decrease? Color me shocked!

TOTAL USSR MEDALS

[i.imgur.com image 245x363]

Yeah, if the USSR was united, they'd be leading the medal count...

Heck, even if you take the 15 medal difference between USSR and China as athlete that didn't qualify for the Soviet Team (and 15 being 17% of 88, that's not too far off), they'd still be co-leading the medal count.

Also, LOL at China being first. Luckily they have almost zero presence in the Track & Field events due to their tiny bodies. USA still has a chance to end as first.

Medal counts do not work that way...it's not so simple as, "well, the nations of the former USSR have 88 medals, therefore the USSR would have 88 medals".

For instance, it would theoretically be possible for Azerbaijan, Ukraine, and Belarus to win gold-silver-bronze in mens' basketball...but the USSR didn't get to enter 3 basketball teams back in the day. I'm too arsed to be bothered to go look for the team sports where former USSR countries have won more than one medal in this Olympics, but I'm sure it's happened. So you'd have to take those off the 88 count.

Not to mention with 12 former republics, being able to enter 36 competitors in, say, the shotput instead of 3 greatly increases the likelihood that one of them is going to have a career day and walk away with a medal. For every 3 athletes the US sends in a given sport, there's probably half a dozen more that are just about as good but couldn't make it out of the Olympic Trials. Now imagine if those guys were spread out among a dozen mini-Americas instead.


Yeah, but no. Except for team sports, the rest of the athletes qualify on their own according to their performance, so you can have many representatives of a single country.

And you seem to think the Olympics are a simple lottery where each athlete has the same probabilities to win. It's not. Better athletes have better chances and a combined USSR squad would take the best athletes and relegate the rest. The rest don't go because they don't qualify, not because "oh shucks, we're full. Bye!" Also, having a bigger pool of athletes to choose from and making them compete and train among them is certainly what creates better squads. Not to mention the money issues many of these former Soviet nations have. Why do you think the USA is almost always the leading country? Big pool of athletes + Money to develop them.

The only two countries with more people than the USA are China and India. As you can see, once China got richer, they're medal count shot up. India is a mess, so they don't count.
 
2012-08-08 11:08:23 AM
Also, I forgot:

The medal winners were likely to be the athletes with better qualifications from their squad. So, a Gold medal winner from Ukraine in Gymnastics would have been the one competing for USSR, while the scrub Russia presented, would have stayed home.
 
2012-08-08 11:21:31 AM

rocky_howard: Yeah, but no. Except for team sports, the rest of the athletes qualify on their own according to their performance, so you can have many representatives of a single country.


Um, no you can't...that's kind of the whole point of why the US has the Olympic Trials for various sports. Every country is only allowed X spots for their athletes in each event, regardless of how many athletes in that country may have met the qualifying standard. The US alone had something like 20 mens' marathon runners who ran the
So yeah, being able to have 36 shotputters from the former Soviet republics vs. 3 from the USSR definitely increases the odds of one of them throwing out of his mind and picking up a medal.
 
2012-08-08 11:25:37 AM

rocky_howard: Yeah, but no. Except for team sports, the rest of the athletes qualify on their own according to their performance, so you can have many representatives of a single country.

And you seem to think the Olympics are a simple lottery where each athlete has the same probabilities to win. It's not ...


(Gaaaah, stupid HTML. It showed up fine in preview.)

Um, no you can't...that's kind of the whole point of why the US has the Olympic Trials for various sports. Every country is only allowed X spots for their athletes in each event, regardless of how many athletes in that country may have met the qualifying standard. The US alone had something like 20 mens' marathon runners who ran the [LESS THAN] 2:15 'A' Olympic qualifying standard. Yet if you look at the actual list of entrants, you'll see there's only 3 US runners in the London Olympic marathon (and 3 Russians, 3 Kenyans, etc.)

So yeah, being able to have 36 shotputters from the former Soviet republics vs. 3 from the USSR definitely increases the odds of one of them throwing out of his mind and picking up a medal.

As for the rest of your post, I think the simple fact that a relatively poor nation in the middle of nowhere has 5 gold medals is evidence that the Soviet state-sponsored athlete factory system continues to provide lingering benefits to the ex-USSR countries. They may not have the funds, but they still have the know-how and the medal-at-all-costs mentality.
 
2012-08-08 12:07:31 PM

schief2: Um, no you can't...that's kind of the whole point of why the US has the Olympic Trials for various sports. Every country is only allowed X spots for their athletes in each event, regardless of how many athletes in that country may have met the qualifying standard. The US alone had something like 20 mens' marathon runners who ran the [LESS THAN] 2:15 'A' Olympic qualifying standard. Yet if you look at the actual list of entrants, you'll see there's only 3 US runners in the London Olympic marathon (and 3 Russians, 3 Kenyans, etc.)

So yeah, being able to have 36 shotputters from the former Soviet republics vs. 3 from the USSR definitely increases the odds of one of them throwing out of his mind and picking up a medal.


3 isn't many? :P

Anyway, yeah, what you say it's true, but it doesn't change the fact that only the best get to go. So it doesn't matter if it's 36 or 3. Not all athletes are equal or have the same probabilities. My country had representatives in several categories where we knew we probably weren't going to win shiat.

You think the guys that competed with Bolt or the Phelps/Lochte duo had the same probabilities as they did? No way.

Yeah, I give you that there'd be probably a reduction in results, but it's not gonna be larger than the percentage difference between 88 and the leading countries: Around 15-20%.

Remember that instead of presenting their current athletes in categories they're losing, the USSR would have presented the winning ones from the former Soviet nations.
 
2012-08-08 01:48:40 PM

rocky_howard: WTF Japan? You're a bunch of quitters. So many medals yet so low in the chart just because you can't get golds. They'd be 5th overall if they had gotten more yellow bling.


well they're an aging country, so that doesn't help things...
 
2012-08-09 06:26:20 PM
Rock on.

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