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2012-08-07 07:43:48 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Papa John's = Derptard
Dominoes = founded by a prolife fundie nutjob
Godfather's = formerly run by Derptard
Pizza Hut = I don't know but they are the worst out of all the chains out there.


Pizza Hut is a subsidiary of Yum Foods along with Taco Bell and KFC. Yum Food is a member of ALEC, a rightwing group responsible for conservative legislation being passed statewide across the country, everything from union busting to stand your ground laws. So yeah, you don't want to eat at Pizza Hut anyway.

/Looks like the only fast food place chain around me that I'll be buying food from is Chipotle.
/Honestly I've yet to even run across a Little Caesars, I can't buy from them if they aren't around.
 
2012-08-07 07:44:50 PM  
"If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed.

Back in the olden days (like, 30 or 40 years ago) if you asked a CEO who the most important person in their organization was, they would almost invariably answer "the customer." This would be followed by "our employees."

Nowadays, the answer is almost always "the shareholder." Customers are seen as nothing but a nuisance to take money from and employees are nothing but leeches who can be easily replaced.

This is the single biggest problem with modern corporate America.

Also, Papa John's pizza is rather gross.
 
2012-08-07 07:45:18 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Anyone that calls the Affordable Care Act "Obamacare" as a means to slur it, is an asshole. Good to know what side of the asshole/non-asshole ledger this clown goes on.

There's a Little Caesar's about a mile from our house that's going to get an uptick in our business now, because anyone who sees a problem in raising prices a few cents so their workers can get health care, is too stupid to get my money.


I like the use of the term Obamacare. It will forever stick and when history shows these asshats wrong (again) about something good for America, Obama will always get proper credit. Until they start saying they always loved it and it was based on a GOP plan.
 
2012-08-07 07:45:35 PM  

Pincy: Because he must maximize profits for the shareholders.


That would be wrong.

They are in business to make profits for themselves and their shareholders.

Actually they're supposed to be in business to do business, profits are just part of what goes with that.

Gyrfalcon: Big business wouldn't exist without shareholders.


Sure they would. There are plenty of big corporations that are private and many corporations that have gone public only after becoming quite sizable.
 
2012-08-07 07:45:38 PM  
Do they really think people will buy less of their shiatty pizzas because of a 15 cent price increase? If you dropped 15 cents on the ground would you even stop to pick it up?

And if this is all it would cost, why the fark aren't they already doing it? Jesus!
 
2012-08-07 07:46:45 PM  
Oh no, I'll have to keep ordering delicious Jet CIty Pizza instead!? Say it ain't so. It's pretty bad if the Costco concessions has better pizza than you do Papa Johns. Maybe paying employees enough to give a shiat makes a difference.
 
2012-08-07 07:46:52 PM  
Have you noticed that a lot of the fastfood, hillbilly chow purveyors are rightwing assholes? I guess it goes with the lack of morals needed to sell pig-slop like Papa John's or CFA as human food.
 
2012-08-07 07:47:58 PM  
Oh sure. Blame Obama (everyone else does).

Surely it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the increased costs of ingredients due to the drought (which is being caused by global warming, which was caused by fat white republican billionaires).
 
2012-08-07 07:48:36 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Pincy: Because he must maximize profits for the shareholders.

That would be wrong.


What's wrong with that? He pretty much said that in the article.

They are in business to make profits for themselves and their shareholders.

Actually they're supposed to be in business to do business, profits are just part of what goes with that.


So he started a pizza chain just because he likes pizza?
 
2012-08-07 07:49:18 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Oh sure. Blame Obama (everyone else does).

Surely it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the increased costs of ingredients due to the drought (which is being caused by global warming, which was caused by fat white republican billionaires).


Increased costs of ingredients, Increased costs of pizza. Papa Johns. What's in your wallet? IT'S IN THE GAME
 
2012-08-07 07:49:58 PM  
Wait. For 15-farking-cents a pizza you could have given your employees insurance - and you DIDN'T? I get coupons from you that regularly offer me a dollar or more off your pizzas. You could have been charging just an extra 15 cents a pie, and your employees would be able to take care of a sick child or buy medicine?

You, sir, are an asshat.
 
2012-08-07 07:50:21 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: lacrossestar83: Oh well. It's not like they have real (Chicago style) pizza

I don't understand this argument - they're two different foods. No reason to compare.

But i have to say after spending several days in Chicago a little while ago I have to say real Chicago-style pizza is pretty awesome.


Lou Malnatti's sausage pizza is the best. They don't put little crumbled up bits of sausage on the pizza. They put a HUGE FRICKIN' SAUSAGE PATTY on the pizza. It's rather amazing.
 
2012-08-07 07:50:33 PM  
So, raise prices a quarter, nobody will notice, pocket the 14 cent profit and insure your employees.... you f*ckbag.
 
2012-08-07 07:50:43 PM  
The boyfriend and I order pizza about once a week and Papa Johns was our go-to until we started checking out some family owned joints in the neighborhood. Our favorite is a place called North End Pizza; the family who owns it have a shop in Boston as well. Their Sicilian has the best crust I've ever had and the homemade sauce is awesome too. It costs more but we don't even consider the chain places any more unless we have a bunch of people over.

"Papa" John is just one more in a long line of asshole CEOs who forget that without their employees, they wouldn't have a business at all!
 
2012-08-07 07:50:44 PM  

rudemix: I like the use of the term Obamacare. It will forever stick and when history shows these asshats wrong (again) about something good for America, Obama will always get proper credit. Until they start saying they always loved it and it was based on a GOP plan.


Bingo. I call it Obamacare, and proudly. Of course, these are people who named themselves after a scrotum dangling in their face. Don't tread on me, indeed.
 
2012-08-07 07:50:57 PM  
"Lost your hand to a lathe? We'll have to fire you, hire your wife and son and pay them a combined amount that is half of what we paid you."

"We're going to go ahead and lock you in here until you can finish those shirtwaists. Don't start any fires, ladies!"

"We have to give our employees HEALTH INSURANCE? Fine! Pizza costs are going up!"

What will they think of next?
 
2012-08-07 07:51:09 PM  
The carryout place I go to has a tip jar at the counter. I thought the whole point of going out to pick up your pizza is so you don't HAVE to pay a tip.
 
2012-08-07 07:51:23 PM  

Dog Welder: Back in the olden days (like, 30 or 40 years ago) if you asked a CEO who the most important person in their organization was, they would almost invariably answer "the customer." This would be followed by "our employees."

Nowadays, the answer is almost always "the shareholder." Customers are seen as nothing but a nuisance to take money from and employees are nothing but leeches who can be easily replaced.


In the olden days, you wouldn't ask a CEO, you would ask the owner of the corporation. And, while he was telling you about how much he cared about the "customer" he'd secretly be pulling all kinds of borderline illegal accounting shenanigans that would never see the light of day since it was a private corporation. Now that we have publicly held corporations, the process has been democratized. The public both gets to buy in to the company and become a part owner and we also get to see the books revealed publicly every single quarter. Say what you want about the olden days but the American consumer is much more informed today both as a customer of the corporation and as an owner.
 
2012-08-07 07:51:36 PM  
Papa John's political derping is actually setting an example...

... An example of why the US needs single-payer and universal health coverage.

If you view access to affordable and high-quality healthcare as a basic human right, then it makes no sense to tie healthcare in any way to any employer.

Next evolutionary step is Medicare for all citizens, with no means for individual states to water down benefits. Hell, a Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing the right to care would do.

/ one dreams, doesn't one
 
2012-08-07 07:51:52 PM  
With a name like Papa John you'd think he would be Catholic. Guess having one Catholic run pizzza megachain is enough.

/Walks down the block to Mellow Mushroom to get pizza. Takes about five minues round trip.
 
2012-08-07 07:52:59 PM  
I just hope the CEO of Subway doesn't open their mouth any time soon. That's the only "fast food" I eat anymore. Starbucks isn't fast food, but whoever runs it better keep their mouths shut too. If I don't get my frappucino once a week, I go bonkers.
 
2012-08-07 07:53:20 PM  

cowpun: Papa John's political derping is actually setting an example...

... An example of why the US needs single-payer and universal health coverage.

If you view access to affordable and high-quality healthcare as a basic human right, then it makes no sense to tie healthcare in any way to any employer.

Next evolutionary step is Medicare for all citizens, with no means for individual states to water down benefits. Hell, a Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing the right to care would do.

/ one dreams, doesn't one



It'll happen.
Maybe not in our lifetimes, but it'll happen.
 
2012-08-07 07:54:02 PM  
How much did the cost of Pizza increase in Mass. when Romneycare was implemented? Or did Papa John Socialize those losses across thr company?
 
2012-08-07 07:54:33 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: kronicfeld: I miss Little Caesar's.

We still have them around here. There's one 10 minutes from my house. I'll pick up a $5 Hot-N-Ready every now and then. One time I got there five minutes before close and they gave me 2-for-1.


Next time you go there you should see if they have "Stuffed Crazy Bread" it is not a menu item but is probably the tastiest thing they serve. Since it is a franchise not all of them do it still since it was a "special" item like 10 or so years ago.
 
2012-08-07 07:55:19 PM  

you are a puppet: TV's Vinnie: Oh sure. Blame Obama (everyone else does).

Surely it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the increased costs of ingredients due to the drought (which is being caused by global warming, which was caused by fat white republican billionaires).

Increased costs of ingredients, Increased costs of pizza. Papa Johns. What's in your wallet? IT'S IN THE GAME


Oh that's just ridiculous, it's totally different, ingredients affect every pizza joint exactly the same way, so you don't raise prices unless you want to make demand for your brand of pizza to go down. Obamacare only affects Papa Johns pizza, so he will have to raise prices in order to keep up with demand. You must not know anything about business, which is why you're posting on Fark and John is cruising around in a bad ass Camaro.
 
2012-08-07 07:55:24 PM  
For a place with the slogan "Better Ingredients. Better Pizza." you'd think they'd, I dunno, use better ingredients and make a better pizza. But no; Papa John's is farking nasty.

/rather eat that frozen Ellio's crap before I'd eat a Papa John's poor-excuse-for-a-pizza
 
2012-08-07 07:56:53 PM  
Hey guys, watch this!

"Papa John's Pizza is against Obamacare!"

Now if that doesn't work, we'll have to be against the ghey too. Watch those sales #'s would ya?
 
2012-08-07 07:57:16 PM  
These guys have stated in no uncertain terms that they value their shareholders far more than their employees and customers.

OK. Good to know.
 
2012-08-07 07:57:26 PM  

Pincy: So he started a pizza chain just because he likes pizza?


If his only motivation was profit, which it appears to be, he got into business for the wrong reason. There's nothing wrong with thinking starting a business will provide for you, however when you see it as nothing but a way to make your wallet ever fatter, you're doing it wrong. A business isn't about you and your wallet.

Shaggy_C: Now that we have publicly held corporations


You make it sound as if such corporations are something recent. They're nothing of the sort.
 
2012-08-07 07:58:56 PM  

Shaggy_C: sparkeyjames: We Insure our employee's because a healthy employee makes a better pizza.

Psh, give me a break. The guy making your pizza is likely a high school dropout who smokes cigarettes and marijuana, doesn't wash his hands out of the bathroom, and is probably carrying around more than a couple different STDs in his crusty, unwashed nether regions. Health insurance don't fix minimum wage lifestyles.


Most of the people I worked withwhen I was employed by Papa Johns were still in high school or were middle class men and women looking to get extra cash to pay down debt. Dirty people tend to not last long at places dealing with food, especially when store fronts are glass and passersby can watch the food being made.
 
2012-08-07 07:59:05 PM  

Nabb1: /BTW, try Magazine Pizza. It's really, really good.


I eat it about once a week. It is really good, and the delivery is always quick. Although the "hangover" pizza wasn't quite as good as I'd hoped (because I was hungover as fark).
 
2012-08-07 07:59:16 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I just hope the CEO of Subway doesn't open their mouth any time soon. That's the only "fast food" I eat anymore. Starbucks isn't fast food, but whoever runs it better keep their mouths shut too. If I don't get my frappucino once a week, I go bonkers.


I basically only eat from the following chains:

Jersey Mikes subs
Firehouse subs
Chipotle
Willy Mexicana Grill
Moes Southwest grill
I also order subs from Publix.

All I eat from chains now are turkey subs and chicken burritos.

But maybe once a month I'll eat order pizza. A Marcos pizza recently opened here. I've also eaten Little Caesars in the past six months.

I used to eat Zaxbys but I'm tired of fries and a drink!

I am the most interesting man in the world.
 
2012-08-07 07:59:40 PM  
Once a month, I meant.
 
2012-08-07 08:02:01 PM  

Rapmaster2000: relcec: Rapmaster2000: dericwater: KyngNothing: Papa John's, rephrased.

We COULD give our employees insurance now, but that would cost us almost $.12 per pizza (I wonder what ingredient that compares to...), and our employees just AREN'T worth that much to us...

THIS^^^^

Starbucks offer full healthcare to their workers, even the part-timers. And a cup of coffee makes much less revenue than a whole pizza pie.

There's a few models to viewing labor. One is that labor is strictly a cost and labor cannot make you money. This is why the service at Wal-Mart blows. There's another model which says labor skillfully employed can be a way to make money. This is the Whole Paycheck/Nordstrom model. Papa John's is purely in the former. Make it cheap and they'll come because it's cheap.

I wonder how often Papa John shops at Wal-Mart?

that's not walmarts model. that's not nordstroms model either.

I'm all ears. You don't have to snark.


I wasn't snarking. I just don't think they either view labor in that way.
I don't think the service at walmart blows. I think that it is a function of most people not looking for someone to help them which cat litter or soup or $2.00 black socks to pick. then again I go to a very nice walmart on anderson lane.

nordstom is famous for the originating the customer is always right mantra and the deal about taking returns for merchandise they don't sell (I've also seen that at petsmart btw, or maybe it was petco), but I haven't noticed any difference in customer service there compared to other semi-luxury retailers and I'd be shocked if they paid anything other than market wages. I don't think they actually put a premium on labor.

I think they both compete on price and selection at this point in their respective brick and mortar categories. I think they both view labor as a cost, and if they can cut cost without hurting sales they will do it. you could be right though.
 
2012-08-07 08:03:22 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Why would this be surprising? You raise costs for any industry, they're going to try to pass the costs along to customers.

This nuance is lost to those who think Obamacare is a)free or b) free to anyone but the rich but fark them. To the extent businesses' costs increase, and they will, to some extent, prices will rise and supply will diminish, costing everyone.

The benefit of health care reform might be worth it, but it ain't free. And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer. If its worth it, pay your extra fifteen cents a shiatty pizza and be happy.


They'll make the money back just on lowered worker's comp claims. A lot of those claims would have been minor if the person had just gone to the doctor when they occurred, instead of waiting until it became serious. Cuts that later get infected, hairline fractures that worsen, tendon pulls that tear. Then there's less sick time, more productive employees, etc.

This is pretty close to revenue neutral. After all, somebody was paying for that medical care, whether the person had insurance or not. In many cases, it was the business.
 
2012-08-07 08:03:32 PM  

kronicfeld: I miss Little Caesar's.


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Woo Obamacare
 
2012-08-07 08:04:02 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Pincy: So he started a pizza chain just because he likes pizza?

If his only motivation was profit, which it appears to be, he got into business for the wrong reason. There's nothing wrong with thinking starting a business will provide for you, however when you see it as nothing but a way to make your wallet ever fatter, you're doing it wrong. A business isn't about you and your wallet.


Well, I think we may be dwelling on semantics here just a little. Different people have different ideas about what it means to "provide" for oneself. If I owned a business and it was hurting my wallet then it would indeed be about my wallet.
 
2012-08-07 08:04:27 PM  
"If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed.

We promise to fark consumers be we won't be able to fark employees in a certain way anymore to make sure that the stockholders don't get farked at all!
 
2012-08-07 08:04:35 PM  
So Papa Johns could have given their full time employees health insurance and it would have only added about a dime to the cost of each pizza? And they didn't voluntarily do this years ago? They don't realize healthy employees are more productive employees? Not to mention that the CEO thinks the market can bear a higher price but for some strange reason they haven't charged that price yet.

So basically this guy is speaking to the news media in order to tell them he's a wildly incompetent CEO?
 
2012-08-07 08:05:17 PM  

consider this: kronicfeld: I miss Little Caesar's.

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Woo Obamacare


media.tumblr.com

WOO
 
2012-08-07 08:06:37 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Gyrfalcon: Big business wouldn't exist without shareholders.

Sure they would. There are plenty of big corporations that are private and many corporations that have gone public only after becoming quite sizable.


cargill is massive. 100 something billion in revenue. as much as microsoft or even apple I'm sure.
 
2012-08-07 08:07:29 PM  

Thrag: They don't realize healthy employees are more productive employees?


They don't care. Their business model is set up for low-skilled employees with high turnover rates. They aren't creating career opportunities here. They are making pizza as cheaply as possible. The expect that most employees won't be there for the long haul.
 
2012-08-07 08:09:18 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: For a place with the slogan "Better Ingredients. Better Pizza." you'd think they'd, I dunno, use better ingredients and make a better pizza. But no; Papa John's is farking nasty.

/rather eat that frozen Ellio's crap before I'd eat a Papa John's poor-excuse-for-a-pizza


this is true. everyone one earth realizes during the first bite that slogan is a complete lie. if it was at least fresh there is no way it could be that nasty.
 
2012-08-07 08:09:18 PM  

Gyrfalcon: My next question here is, since this guy is the "CEO and founder", what percentage of stock does he hold


It looks like about 30%. Link
 
2012-08-07 08:09:40 PM  
I'm sure those prices will fall back in line when everyone starts ordering from their less expensive competitors.

/competition - how does that work!?
 
2012-08-07 08:10:59 PM  
Papa John's is about to demonstrate the economic sticky price theory.
 
2012-08-07 08:11:17 PM  

relcec: nordstom is famous for the originating the customer is always right mantra


Actually Sears was pushing it before Nordstrom, and in any case the first retailer to promote such a policy was Wedgewood over 200 years ago.
 
2012-08-07 08:11:51 PM  

violentsalvation: I actually pity you.



Is that what you dream when looking out into the real world from the short bus? All these smarter people you pity?
 
2012-08-07 08:12:15 PM  

Pincy: Thrag: They don't realize healthy employees are more productive employees?

They don't care. Their business model is set up for low-skilled employees with high turnover rates. They aren't creating career opportunities here. They are making pizza as cheaply as possible. The expect that most employees won't be there for the long haul.


Aren't their employees all teenagers who would be covered on their parents plans anyway? Like the two teenage girls who I presume were on their break smoking on the curb out front a few months ago, and when I walked by they stopped talking to each other and stared at me quietly with lust in their eyes? "Yep, still got it", I thought to myself as I began to look up age of consent laws on my phone.
 
2012-08-07 08:12:19 PM  

Dog Welder: Debeo Summa Credo: lacrossestar83: Oh well. It's not like they have real (Chicago style) pizza

I don't understand this argument - they're two different foods. No reason to compare.

But i have to say after spending several days in Chicago a little while ago I have to say real Chicago-style pizza is pretty awesome.

Lou Malnatti's sausage pizza is the best. They don't put little crumbled up bits of sausage on the pizza. They put a HUGE FRICKIN' SAUSAGE PATTY on the pizza. It's rather amazing.


Malnati's main ingredient is Win. I've been there a few times with a friend and I'm glad I have to travel to eat there - if they were local to me I'd get really, really fat.
 
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