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2012-08-07 07:12:18 PM

RexTalionis: I, as a consumer, have 2 options, Papa John.

1) I'd gladly pay the dime or two it takes for you to give your employees healthcare or
2) I'll take my business elsewhere and hope you go out of business.


Dammit, now I want pizza from the good local pizza place that's less than a block away from Papa John's.
 
2012-08-07 07:13:00 PM
cheese goes up $1.59 a pizza

"Until there's a price downturn, workers at Constantly Pizza will carefully dole out cheese, and the business will "just strap down and be tough," Constant said."

fartbamacare cost .11 to.14 = OMG LAYZOFFZZZ EVERYBODY
 
2012-08-07 07:13:30 PM

Rapmaster2000: Republicans come here and say EVERYONE should live like this."


No, they don't say that at all or they wouldn't be whining about 15 cents per pizza to provide affordable health insurance. What they say is "my family should live like this. I don't give a shiat how anyone else lives. Unless they're gay, in which case I care very much how they live."
 
2012-08-07 07:15:24 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Why would this be surprising? You raise costs for any industry, they're going to try to pass the costs along to customers.

This nuance is lost to those who think Obamacare is a)free or b) free to anyone but the rich but fark them. To the extent businesses' costs increase, and they will, to some extent, prices will rise and supply will diminish, costing everyone.

The benefit of health care reform might be worth it, but it ain't free. And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer. If its worth it, pay your extra fifteen cents a shiatty pizza and be happy.


Well, congratulations, you've summed up the thread. No one in here is complaining that he's saying pizza will cost more. They're either saying his pizza is shiat and they wouldn't eat it if it were free or they're saying he should go ahead and add the $.14 in and give his people better healthcare. Actually, most are saying both.
 
2012-08-07 07:16:58 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer.


That's what you think he was doing? I say he was whining about having to take care of his employees and making a political statement. Funny thing about free speech... one is free to say anything they want, but they're not free from the consequences that occur from what they said.
 
2012-08-07 07:17:53 PM

jst3p: Pincy: "We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry."

i.e. "We like the system the way it currently is where we can pay our employees close to minimum wage and let the taxpayers pick up their health care costs."

To be fair, why does health insurance have to come from employers? The system is kinda stupid in this respect.


Couldn't agree more. I can't understand why any employee would want their employer involved in their health care. But I'm assuming Papa John doesn't support UHC either.
 
2012-08-07 07:18:06 PM

X-boxershorts: You speak from personal experience?


Merely pointing out that you shouldn't fark with the people who make your food. You get what you pay for. If you want to get low-quality, cheap shiat made by people who earn next to nothing, you can't really expect that wage slave to really care about you or your health any more than the actual slaves of yesteryear cared about the well-being of their foremen.

It's just like any other job - if you feel overworked and under-appreciated, you're going to perform at a lower level. Personally, I don't want to put food in my mouth made by someone who doesn't take pride in their work and who does not earn a decent living.

Personally, I only eat at family-run or local businesses and typically stick to the higher-end food because I know the revenues directly go back into ensuring a high talent level in the back of the house. And, for many of those people, if they aren't provided healthcare they at least have the means to buy it on their own. Those are the kinds of people I want making my food, not a guy with zero skills who could just as easily be digging ditches and only cares about scrounging a couple bucks. Who has more to lose if they do a poor job? The guy making a career out of dining and hospitality, or the person who will take whatever money they can get?

I swear, you come off like someone who would be shocked - SHOCKED - to learn that people at McDonald's spit in food and that people eating at Taco Bell end up with hepatitis.
 
2012-08-07 07:19:35 PM
If it's only 11-14 cents per pizza, why isn't he ALREADY doing this? I'd HAPPILY pay 14 cents more for a pizza so the delivery boy has insurance!
 
2012-08-07 07:20:00 PM
What a tiny price to pay to know that the guys making and delivering your pizza have adaquate access to healthcare. God Bless Obama. This is exactly the change I was hoping for.
 
2012-08-07 07:20:09 PM
WELL I SURE WOULD LIKE TO MEET THAT ASSHOLE MOOCHER PUNK WHO JACKED UP THE PRICE OF MY BIG MAC BY A NICKEL JUST SO HE COULD GO GET "CANCER SCREENING" OR WHATEVER

/fark it america is dead
 
2012-08-07 07:20:54 PM

Mike Chewbacca: If it's only 11-14 cents per pizza, why isn't he ALREADY doing this? I'd HAPPILY pay 14 cents more for a pizza so the delivery boy has insurance!


absolutely. they could do this and advertise it and it would be great PR and may even help them retain better employees
 
2012-08-07 07:20:58 PM

JohnnyC: That's what you think he was doing? I say he was whining about having to take care of his employees and making a political statement. Funny thing about free speech... one is free to say anything they want, but they're not free from the consequences that occur from what they said.


He also said they would do everything in their power to make the customer pay, and not him and his shareholders.

Mr Burns: "Suck it pleebs! YOU are going to suffer from this! 12 cents a pizza! 12 CENTS! Ha ha ha ha! How is the hopey-changy working out for you now!"
Mr Smithers: "Sir, please don't insult the people the provide our revenue."
 
2012-08-07 07:22:26 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: If its worth it, pay your extra fifteen cents a shiatty pizza and be happy.


That's what pretty much everyone in this thread has said they're more than happy to do. The ones saying they won't patronize Papa Johns are doing so because either they don't care for the pizza there (understandable) or they disagree with the CEOs politics (also understandable).

I haven't seen anyone say the 15 cents per pizza is a deal breaker. You're full of shiat as usual.
 
2012-08-07 07:22:33 PM

Shaggy_C: X-boxershorts: You speak from personal experience?

Merely pointing out that you shouldn't fark with the people who make your food. You get what you pay for. If you want to get low-quality, cheap shiat made by people who earn next to nothing, you can't really expect that wage slave to really care about you or your health any more than the actual slaves of yesteryear cared about the well-being of their foremen.

It's just like any other job - if you feel overworked and under-appreciated, you're going to perform at a lower level. Personally, I don't want to put food in my mouth made by someone who doesn't take pride in their work and who does not earn a decent living.

Personally, I only eat at family-run or local businesses and typically stick to the higher-end food because I know the revenues directly go back into ensuring a high talent level in the back of the house. And, for many of those people, if they aren't provided healthcare they at least have the means to buy it on their own. Those are the kinds of people I want making my food, not a guy with zero skills who could just as easily be digging ditches and only cares about scrounging a couple bucks. Who has more to lose if they do a poor job? The guy making a career out of dining and hospitality, or the person who will take whatever money they can get?

I swear, you come off like someone who would be shocked - SHOCKED - to learn that people at McDonald's spit in food and that people eating at Taco Bell end up with hepatitis.


I'm sure the people at the family run restaurants spit in your food, too. I know I would.
 
2012-08-07 07:22:51 PM
" in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed."

That right there is the biggest problem with America , big business is far to beholden to shareholders.

We need more Main street thinking and less Wall street thinking.

Putting Customers first will in the long run make more of a profit.
 
2012-08-07 07:24:06 PM

Mike Chewbacca: If it's only 11-14 cents per pizza, why isn't he ALREADY doing this? I'd HAPPILY pay 14 cents more for a pizza so the delivery boy has insurance!


Because he must maximize profits for the shareholders. He pretty said exactly this in the article. Right now no one is forcing him to provide health insurance to his employees and he still seems to get people who want to work for him, so why should he? Remember, no matter what Conservatives and their trickle-down theories try to tell you, employers are not in business to provide jobs and benefits for their employees. They are in business to make profits for themselves and their shareholders.
 
2012-08-07 07:24:48 PM

Shaggy_C: X-boxershorts: You speak from personal experience?

Merely pointing out that you shouldn't fark with the people who make your food. You get what you pay for. If you want to get low-quality, cheap shiat made by people who earn next to nothing, you can't really expect that wage slave to really care about you or your health any more than the actual slaves of yesteryear cared about the well-being of their foremen.

It's just like any other job - if you feel overworked and under-appreciated, you're going to perform at a lower level. Personally, I don't want to put food in my mouth made by someone who doesn't take pride in their work and who does not earn a decent living.

Personally, I only eat at family-run or local businesses and typically stick to the higher-end food because I know the revenues directly go back into ensuring a high talent level in the back of the house. And, for many of those people, if they aren't provided healthcare they at least have the means to buy it on their own. Those are the kinds of people I want making my food, not a guy with zero skills who could just as easily be digging ditches and only cares about scrounging a couple bucks. Who has more to lose if they do a poor job? The guy making a career out of dining and hospitality, or the person who will take whatever money they can get?

I swear, you come off like someone who would be shocked - SHOCKED - to learn that people at McDonald's spit in food and that people eating at Taco Bell end up with hepatitis.


My first job was at a McDonalds.
I started at $1.75 an hour.
I never spat in the food, I washed my hands constantly, I gave a damn about the product.

Your follow up is an excellent argument for an increase in the minimum wage or an advocate for a liveable wage.

/get OFF my LAWN!!!
 
2012-08-07 07:24:58 PM

JohnnyC: Debeo Summa Credo: And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer.

That's what you think he was doing? I say he was whining about having to take care of his employees and making a political statement. Funny thing about free speech... one is free to say anything they want, but they're not free from the consequences that occur from what they said.


That's what I got. He's biatching about something he doesn't like...and then trying to coerce the public into supporting him by claiming "Oh! This will cost us so much! We'll have to tack a dime onto the costs of our pizza! HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!!"

Protip, DumboSumma: Everyone already knows costs get passed on to the consumer, and nobody is whining about it. Except this guy. And you.
 
2012-08-07 07:25:08 PM

Shaggy_C: Merely pointing out that you shouldn't fark with the people who make your food.


That's very true. And let me add "tipping" to the mix. If you go to a restaurant often enough to be known to the staff, tip well. Think of it as insurance. The bonus is you'll then become known as "a good tipper" and you'll be treated like royalty.
 
2012-08-07 07:26:26 PM

Hobodeluxe: Mike Chewbacca: If it's only 11-14 cents per pizza, why isn't he ALREADY doing this? I'd HAPPILY pay 14 cents more for a pizza so the delivery boy has insurance!

absolutely. they could do this and advertise it and it would be great PR and may even help them retain better employees


I'm sure their business model and operations are set up so that they require the least skilled employees possible. They probably expect a lot of turnover and so they plan for it. I doubt holding on to valuable employees is really that much of a consideration.
 
2012-08-07 07:27:36 PM
Wow...this turbodouche is complaining about pennies per pizza.

Do you REALLY think that he would raise the price, for example, from $9.00 to $9.27?

And how much MORE do we pay when people don't go to a doctor aside from the emergency room?
 
2012-08-07 07:27:40 PM

lacrossestar83: Oh well. It's not like they have real (Chicago style) pizza


I don't understand this argument - they're two different foods. No reason to compare.

But i have to say after spending several days in Chicago a little while ago I have to say real Chicago-style pizza is pretty awesome.
 
2012-08-07 07:28:12 PM
i spend 6 bucks a day easily on coffee without even thinking about it, but .11 cents per pizza is grape without the g
 
2012-08-07 07:29:37 PM

dericwater: KyngNothing: Papa John's, rephrased.

We COULD give our employees insurance now, but that would cost us almost $.12 per pizza (I wonder what ingredient that compares to...), and our employees just AREN'T worth that much to us...

THIS^^^^

Starbucks offer full healthcare to their workers, even the part-timers. And a cup of coffee makes much less revenue than a whole pizza pie.


There's a few models to viewing labor. One is that labor is strictly a cost and labor cannot make you money. This is why the service at Wal-Mart blows. There's another model which says labor skillfully employed can be a way to make money. This is the Whole Paycheck/Nordstrom model. Papa John's is purely in the former. Make it cheap and they'll come because it's cheap.

I wonder how often Papa John shops at Wal-Mart?
 
2012-08-07 07:29:41 PM
Or vote for Romney and have $2000 less a year to spend on pizza, unless you make so much you would never buy papa johns pizza.
 
2012-08-07 07:30:04 PM

Pincy: Hobodeluxe: Mike Chewbacca: If it's only 11-14 cents per pizza, why isn't he ALREADY doing this? I'd HAPPILY pay 14 cents more for a pizza so the delivery boy has insurance!

absolutely. they could do this and advertise it and it would be great PR and may even help them retain better employees

I'm sure their business model and operations are set up so that they require the least skilled employees possible. They probably expect a lot of turnover and so they plan for it. I doubt holding on to valuable employees is really that much of a consideration.


Right-wingers are still pretending that these kinds of businesses actually give a shiat about their employees.
 
2012-08-07 07:30:08 PM
Can't wait for the Walls to weigh in.
 
2012-08-07 07:31:21 PM

Pincy: Hobodeluxe: Mike Chewbacca: If it's only 11-14 cents per pizza, why isn't he ALREADY doing this? I'd HAPPILY pay 14 cents more for a pizza so the delivery boy has insurance!

absolutely. they could do this and advertise it and it would be great PR and may even help them retain better employees

I'm sure their business model and operations are set up so that they require the least skilled employees possible. They probably expect a lot of turnover and so they plan for it. I doubt holding on to valuable employees is really that much of a consideration.


Bingo. It's their business model, but like all businesses they still collect tax breaks on employee training.
 
2012-08-07 07:31:44 PM
So it's a win win healthcare wise.
 
2012-08-07 07:34:21 PM
Can I get a break on pizza prices for the electricity, roads, drivers licensing, police and fire protection, etc that my society provides so you can sling pies while we're at it?
 
2012-08-07 07:34:29 PM

gunga galunga: I miss Gatti's. They were the best. I know they're still around but they shut down every location near me.


There is something wrong with you, please seek a tastebud specialist immediately.

/I hate their sauce
 
2012-08-07 07:34:32 PM

grimlock1972: " in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed."

That right there is the biggest problem with America , big business is far to beholden to shareholders.

We need more Main street thinking and less Wall street thinking.

Putting Customers first will in the long run make more of a profit.


Big business wouldn't exist without shareholders. That's the whole point of a company going public. Normally, it works very well, since the more people who buy in, the more capital a business has to work with.

My next question here is, since this guy is the "CEO and founder", what percentage of stock does he hold, and how much of these endangered profits are going straight into his pocket. If it's a privately-held corporation and he's the sole shareholder...well...his protests suddenly become very interesting, to say the least.
 
2012-08-07 07:35:40 PM

Magorn: Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes.

Eh. Vocelli's isn't bad, but I've sworn off Domino's completely and PJ's isn't spectacular but I do like thier "two free toppings for every touchdown your team scores when they win" thing

Little Sleazers is rapidly becoming a go-to because of the can't miss price and speed of pick-up (but it nothing like the glorious litle ceasers of the early 90's, more's the pity)

But when I want a GOOD pizza? Delivery ain;t really an option, going out to the place with the uber-hot wood-burning oven is the only way to make that happen


My favorite local pizzeria just started delivering this year. Life is good.
 
2012-08-07 07:36:32 PM

Gyrfalcon: JohnnyC: Debeo Summa Credo: And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer.

That's what you think he was doing? I say he was whining about having to take care of his employees and making a political statement. Funny thing about free speech... one is free to say anything they want, but they're not free from the consequences that occur from what they said.

That's what I got. He's biatching about something he doesn't like...and then trying to coerce the public into supporting him by claiming "Oh! This will cost us so much! We'll have to tack a dime onto the costs of our pizza! HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!!"

Protip, DumboSumma: Everyone already knows costs get passed on to the consumer, and nobody is whining about it. Except this guy. And you.


There's dozens of people whining in this thread about his comments. Was he supposed to keep their plans to pass on increased costs to customers a secret and not communicate that to his investors? Are we to keep that on the down low because heaven forfend anybody acknowledge that, yes, obamacare will cost everyone something? HELP, HELP, someone is assaulting health care reform with their damned supply/demand economics!
 
2012-08-07 07:37:20 PM

JohnnyC: Funny thing about free speech... one is free to say anything they want, but they're not free from the consequences that occur from what they said.


could you douchebags please not say this 10 times every free speech thread? thank you.
 
2012-08-07 07:38:04 PM
Some companies use any excuse to raise prices.
 
2012-08-07 07:38:06 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: John H. Schnatter
Founder, Chairman and Co-Chief Executive Officer

TotalCompensation $2,614,516
Data for fiscal year ended in 2011


WOW! Tax cuts for some indeed!

What he's missing is that everybody's pizza is going to go up, and by less than 1%... I'd gladly pay an extra 1% on everything to give all Americans healthcare.

And it's not like the price of EVERYTHING is going up. Car-makers already insure everyone. Software makers already insure everyone. It's just the employers of the bottom rung.

And this may reduce government costs. There are a lot of the working poor on government health insurance (I'm looking at you, Walmart) who are going to get private coverage for the first time.
 
2012-08-07 07:38:08 PM

feffer:

Remember all the crying about Seattle's sick leave ordinance? Restaurants do prefer their employees to be sick while working.


Yes, I remember thinking WTF? at the time. Why would anyone oppose having food service workers be healthy at work?

feffer: FloydA: Pagliacci Pizza in Seattle is excellent, for delivery pizza.

Zeeks.


Also excellent.



PlatinumDragon: FloydA:
Yep. Fast, Good and Cheap: pick any two.

Or all three if we're talking about your mom.



I would hazard a guess that she's not quite so fast, but go for it, I'm sure she'd appreciate the attention. Just watch out for her hip, I'd hate to have to buy her another one. And be careful, several of those teeth are originals.
 
2012-08-07 07:38:43 PM
Another idiotic CEO who doesn't know enough to keep his mouth shut about politics. I agree with the other posters, I would probably be glad to give him an extra 2 dimes in exchange for him giving his employees decent health care but instead I'm going to never buy one of his pizzas again.
 
2012-08-07 07:38:59 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Gyrfalcon: JohnnyC: Debeo Summa Credo: And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer.

That's what you think he was doing? I say he was whining about having to take care of his employees and making a political statement. Funny thing about free speech... one is free to say anything they want, but they're not free from the consequences that occur from what they said.

That's what I got. He's biatching about something he doesn't like...and then trying to coerce the public into supporting him by claiming "Oh! This will cost us so much! We'll have to tack a dime onto the costs of our pizza! HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!!"

Protip, DumboSumma: Everyone already knows costs get passed on to the consumer, and nobody is whining about it. Except this guy. And you.

There's dozens of people whining in this thread about his comments. Was he supposed to keep their plans to pass on increased costs to customers a secret and not communicate that to his investors? Are we to keep that on the down low because heaven forfend anybody acknowledge that, yes, obamacare will cost everyone something? HELP, HELP, someone is assaulting health care reform with their damned supply/demand economics!


It's fairly easy to dismiss people when you assign them cartoonish motivations.

In the future, I do believe I'll spend my troll dollars at another establishment.
 
2012-08-07 07:39:07 PM

X-boxershorts: Your follow up is an excellent argument for an increase in the minimum wage or an advocate for a liveable wage.


Absolutely; particularly in the food industry. I never understood why something absolutely essential to human survival ends up having a pay scale such that only the downtrodden would want to take the job. If anything, food preparers should be compensated more like doctors and the quality of the product should match.

The Why Not Guy: That's very true. And let me add "tipping" to the mix. If you go to a restaurant often enough to be known to the staff, tip well. Think of it as insurance. The bonus is you'll then become known as "a good tipper" and you'll be treated like royalty.


Don't get me on another rant - 20% should be considered the standard, 15 the minimum. Though I'll concede the higher up the price point you go, there is a ceiling. Tipping 20% on a $500 meal is just overboard - I'm not sure I would ever go more than $50 on a tip, but I guess if it's a several hours-long meal it would be justified.
 
2012-08-07 07:40:45 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Gyrfalcon: JohnnyC: Debeo Summa Credo: And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer.

That's what you think he was doing? I say he was whining about having to take care of his employees and making a political statement. Funny thing about free speech... one is free to say anything they want, but they're not free from the consequences that occur from what they said.

That's what I got. He's biatching about something he doesn't like...and then trying to coerce the public into supporting him by claiming "Oh! This will cost us so much! We'll have to tack a dime onto the costs of our pizza! HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!!"

Protip, DumboSumma: Everyone already knows costs get passed on to the consumer, and nobody is whining about it. Except this guy. And you.

There's dozens of people whining in this thread about his comments. Was he supposed to keep their plans to pass on increased costs to customers a secret and not communicate that to his investors? Are we to keep that on the down low because heaven forfend anybody acknowledge that, yes, obamacare will cost everyone something? HELP, HELP, someone is assaulting health care reform with their damned supply/demand economics!


I don't remember him complaining about higher fuel costs or higher food costs for ingredients and whining to the press about that forcing him to raise pizza prices.
 
2012-08-07 07:40:53 PM

Rapmaster2000: dericwater: KyngNothing: Papa John's, rephrased.

We COULD give our employees insurance now, but that would cost us almost $.12 per pizza (I wonder what ingredient that compares to...), and our employees just AREN'T worth that much to us...

THIS^^^^

Starbucks offer full healthcare to their workers, even the part-timers. And a cup of coffee makes much less revenue than a whole pizza pie.

There's a few models to viewing labor. One is that labor is strictly a cost and labor cannot make you money. This is why the service at Wal-Mart blows. There's another model which says labor skillfully employed can be a way to make money. This is the Whole Paycheck/Nordstrom model. Papa John's is purely in the former. Make it cheap and they'll come because it's cheap.

I wonder how often Papa John shops at Wal-Mart?


that's not walmarts model. that's not nordstroms model either.
 
2012-08-07 07:41:51 PM
There's a nationwide online coupon code for 50% off their regular price right now through August 12, so I guess they are selling pizzas at a loss? SUMMER50 is the code. I saw it on slickdeals but didn't use it because the pizza tastes so shiatty that it would be like eating shiat. (At 50% off...which is still a bad deal for shiat)
 
2012-08-07 07:42:20 PM
I'm not sure if anybody is even looking at the comments at the bottom of this article, but just in case anyone has an inkling to, let me save you some trouble and summarize them for you right here:

Republican: "You see, you libs just don't understand basic economics. You're too busy eating foie gras in the faculty lounge to open your eyes and see how things work in the real world, you know, for people who actually work for a living. You people just want something for nothing and expect the government to take care of everything for you. You are lazy and have no sense of personal responsibility."

"Lib": "Ugh . . . you're an idiot."

Republican: OMG THAT IS SO UNCIVIL! HEY EVERYBODY, DID YOU SEE THAT AD HOMINEM?! THAT'S HOW IT ALWAYS IS WITH YOU LIBS! ALWAYS CALLING NAMES!
 
2012-08-07 07:42:30 PM

Gyrfalcon: Big business wouldn't exist without shareholders. That's the whole point of a company going public.


Going public is a cash grab without any obligation to make a return on investment, only an obligation to do enough look like you're trying to make a good faith effort to make a return on investment.

Plenty of large, very successful businesses are privately owned. There was one in the news for the majority of the last couple weeks. Something about f@ggy chicken or something.

And then there's that other hugely successful private company that just went private and saw its value drop precipitously. Headnovel or Grillmagazine or something.
 
2012-08-07 07:42:35 PM

The Why Not Guy: Debeo Summa Credo: If its worth it, pay your extra fifteen cents a shiatty pizza and be happy.

That's what pretty much everyone in this thread has said they're more than happy to do. The ones saying they won't patronize Papa Johns are doing so because either they don't care for the pizza there (understandable) or they disagree with the CEOs politics (also understandable).

I haven't seen anyone say the 15 cents per pizza is a deal breaker. You're full of shiat as usual.


If a Pizza is really good, I'll pay $5 more for it. If someone told me that anything over $10 increased by 15 cents in cost I would be confused as to why they were even telling me about. I literally won't bend down to pick up anything less than a quarter half the time.
 
2012-08-07 07:42:40 PM

relcec: Rapmaster2000: dericwater: KyngNothing: Papa John's, rephrased.

We COULD give our employees insurance now, but that would cost us almost $.12 per pizza (I wonder what ingredient that compares to...), and our employees just AREN'T worth that much to us...

THIS^^^^

Starbucks offer full healthcare to their workers, even the part-timers. And a cup of coffee makes much less revenue than a whole pizza pie.

There's a few models to viewing labor. One is that labor is strictly a cost and labor cannot make you money. This is why the service at Wal-Mart blows. There's another model which says labor skillfully employed can be a way to make money. This is the Whole Paycheck/Nordstrom model. Papa John's is purely in the former. Make it cheap and they'll come because it's cheap.

I wonder how often Papa John shops at Wal-Mart?

that's not walmarts model. that's not nordstroms model either.


I'm all ears. You don't have to snark.
 
2012-08-07 07:42:51 PM
LOL.

I did email the company that I found their CEO's comments wrongheaded and that I wasn't up in arms having to pay less than a quarter more for their pizza, which for national delivery chain isn't that bad.

They've forwarded my comments to the appropriate people. To be honest, I'm just hoping for some free pizza coupons.
 
2012-08-07 07:43:38 PM

feffer:

Zeeks.


BTW, if you're ever out at Seward Park, try Flying Squirrel Pizza- they don't deliver, but they're great.
 
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