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2012-08-07 06:47:42 PM  

magusdevil: jst3p: Brubold: RexTalionis: I, as a consumer, have 2 options, Papa John.

1) I'd gladly pay the dime or two it takes for you to give your employees healthcare or
2) I'll take my business elsewhere and hope you go out of business.

And yet anywhere you choose to go you'll be paying more for your food because of the HCB. That includes the grocery store where they'll have to raise prices to cover the cost of it too.

I am perfectly OK with this. $.11 cents per pizza and the guy bringing it to me now gets health insurance? It's a deal.

They should offer that deal now. Your total is $17.46, however if you'd like everyone handling your pizza to be disease free the total will be $17.57. Would you like to spend the extra 11 cents?


"Sorry about the herpes, next time spring for the protection plan."
 
2012-08-07 06:47:54 PM  

violentsalvation: I know you misunderstand things a lot, and that's OK.



Yes of course, the Limbaugh "I was just joking" defense

Then the insult my intelligence tactic

Bravo
 
2012-08-07 06:48:17 PM  

Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes.


Everyone hates big-name delivery pizza until you're ordering some.
 
2012-08-07 06:48:38 PM  
There are something like 66,000 pizza shops in America. And, there are 3 billion pizzas sold per year from pizza parlors.. That averages out to 45,454 per store.

Papa Johns has 3000 US locations and sells 136,363,636 per year. At 14 cents a pizza, that means Obamacare is going to cost Papa Johns $19,090,909.

Their revenue for 2010 was $1.13 billion. So, I'm guessing increased health care costs are going to cost them 1.7% of their revenue?
 
2012-08-07 06:48:41 PM  

intelligent comment below: violentsalvation: I don't care, your pizza sucks. Big Papa, the question I want to know is, just where do you stand on homosexschule marrrrge?


Nobody cares what your stance is, but if he uses profits to fund hate groups that's where people have a problem with it.

/I know you want to frame the debate only about what your ideas are because you know you have no real arguments


Is it a wide stance?

/no, really, I'll show myself out now
//really
 
2012-08-07 06:49:42 PM  
In fairness, it sounds like this occurred during a shareholder call and he was passing it off as a GOOD thing - i.e. that business wouldn't be adversely affected.

Hell, if an extra dime on a pizza means that your employees can get better health care coverage, I don't see how any non-derper doesn't call that an amazing bargain.
 
2012-08-07 06:50:58 PM  

Elmo Jones: So? That crappy "pizza" could cost $20 more, and I wouldn't give a hoot in hell.

"Papa John" sets off my creep-o-meter, which is rarely wrong.


Why, you didn't like the commercial of him showing up at a house with pizza and partying with a bunch of high school aged kids?

/their pizza is tasteless crap
 
2012-08-07 06:51:09 PM  
"We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry."

i.e. "We like the system the way it currently is where we can pay our employees close to minimum wage and let the taxpayers pick up their health care costs."
 
2012-08-07 06:51:11 PM  
My guess is the rise in the cost of beef and cheese next year due to the drought will make the $.11 increase due to health care disappear in the noise. Knowing the corporate philosophy here other than minimum wage laws cut the salary of your workers by an equivalent amount that the health care costs or better yet take a small pay yourself and some of the others in the corporate suite you cheap fark.
 
2012-08-07 06:51:16 PM  
I don't buy fast food pizza often. Thanks, "papa" John Schlatter, for making my choice that much easier for me. 11 cents per pizza ($306.2 million in revenues 4Q 2011) so that your already minimum wage employees can have a minimal level health care, and still you b*tch? Pizza is a luxury food, and you've just given me a good reason not to choose yours.

F*ck you papa John. And f*ck your pizza too.
/and that Rmoney cock you're sucking
 
2012-08-07 06:51:53 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: violentsalvation: I don't care, your pizza sucks. Big Papa, the question I want to know is, just where do you stand on homosexschule marrrrge?

http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_political_donations/John_Schnatter.php

Well, he is a subscriber to the old boys club. I'm guessing publicly against; privately doesn't care

sucks dick.

FTFY
 
2012-08-07 06:52:42 PM  
I miss Gatti's. They were the best. I know they're still around but they shut down every location near me.
 
2012-08-07 06:52:46 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: John H. Schnatter
Founder, Chairman and Co-Chief Executive Officer

TotalCompensation $2,614,516
Data for fiscal year ended in 2011


Only 2500 bux? You cheap simpleton. It takes a BOAT load more than 2500 bux to get on Willard Mittwit Romney's radar

Opensecrets.org - 38,000 to the RNC and 2500 to Romney
 
2012-08-07 06:53:07 PM  

jayhawk88: Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes.

Everyone hates big-name delivery pizza until you're ordering some.


I suppose, but there's always the place that delivers for 25-50% more that tastes significantly better, or at least there is here and I'm not even in the city. So I spend $20 instead of $13, and enjoy it more. I suppose if I was broke it would matter, but if I was broke then I probably wouldn't have health care.
 
2012-08-07 06:54:38 PM  

intelligent comment below: violentsalvation: I know you misunderstand things a lot, and that's OK.


Yes of course, the Limbaugh "I was just joking" defense

Then the insult my intelligence tactic

Bravo


I'm not insulting your lack of intelligence, I actually pity you.
 
2012-08-07 06:54:55 PM  
Additionally... apparently he doesn't realize that taking a political position as a business... means you just alienated at least half if not more of your customers. It's just stupid...
 
2012-08-07 06:55:46 PM  
According to my brilliant economic analysis, Mr. Papa is saying that Obamacare is tantamount to an excise tax. That being the case, quantity supplied will decrease.


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I think we're missing the important part here...Thanks to Obamacare, there will be less shiatty Papa Johns pizza in the world. That's worth the mandate and then some.
 
2012-08-07 06:56:07 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: kronicfeld: I miss Little Caesar's.

We still have them around here. There's one 10 minutes from my house. I'll pick up a $5 Hot-N-Ready every now and then. One time I got there five minutes before close and they gave me 2-for-1.


The HotnReadys are great. If you ever get a chance, if you go in there and they happen to be out of the one you want, but have to wait a few minutes, ask them not to cut it. Go and jazz it up with spinach, fresh boom booms and more cheese, go wild, they get even better.
 
2012-08-07 06:56:54 PM  
He can't sell his '71 Camaro to pay for employee health insurance?
 
2012-08-07 06:57:06 PM  

mekki: Okay, most of the people who were whining over that were seniors. And seniors some of the most, "GIMME GIMME GIMME, NOW GO AWAY, I WON'T SHARE!" selfish brats on the planet. But still.


I don't know if it's inflation, and their minds were formed back when 10 cents was a big deal or what, but man do I know some 70+ year-olds that are cheap as hell.
 
2012-08-07 06:58:23 PM  
OMIGOD, if you weren't aware of the awkwardness that is Romney check out this video for Mitt Romney at Papa John's house.

"What a home this is, what grounds these are, the pool, the golf course," he said. "You know, if a Democrat were here he'd look around and say no one should live like this. Republicans come here and say EVERYONE should live like this. This is a real tribute to America, to entrepreneurship."

The part where he yucks it up with a coal scion as "just a coal miner amirite!?" is classic Romney.

He's like the snobby, rich guy from an 80s movie. I half expect Rodney Dangerfield to walk in and start cutting on his blazer.
 
2012-08-07 06:58:29 PM  

farkityfarker: I knew this thread would be full of foodies who hate pizza from chains for no other reason than it's from a chain


It's called confirmation bias. It means you're stupid.
 
2012-08-07 06:58:40 PM  
Price increase of 11 cents on my pizza so some lazy pizza slinger can have free healthcare? Papa Johns, tastes like socialism.

/iratroll
 
2012-08-07 06:58:42 PM  
Or, he could have said something like:

"Due to increasingly high costs we have been unable to offer health insurance to many of our employees, forcing them to either budget a significant portion of their earnings on health care or do without. However, with the Affordable Care Act, we are now able to provide health service plans to ALL of our employees at a resonable cost. The immediate impact of implementing these plans for our estimated XX thousand of employees is expected to range between 10 and 20 cents per pizza. We feel this is very manageable, and though you may see a slight increase in our prices at some point in the future, we are grateful that our employees will have greater access to health care."
 
2012-08-07 06:59:43 PM  

gunga galunga: I miss Gatti's. They were the best. I know they're still around but they shut down every location near me.


Miss Gatti's? When I was a kid I used to go to a place called Mr. Gatti's... or something like that. Anyway, fantastic deep dish from what I remember, but I have no idea how they are now.

I used to like Papa John's, back in the late 80's when they were actually still focused on their ingredients rather than just having a slogan about it. And you could get a large two topping for something like $6, which I'm sure my parents appreciated.
 
2012-08-07 06:59:47 PM  
Will the pizza prices not have gone up that much anyway by 2014? Seems like people probably wouldn't notice an extra quarter...that is, if they are going to Papa Johns in the first place. The only thing I ever liked about that place was the garlic butter sauce. If you live in a town where Papa Johns is the best pizza, you need to move.
 
2012-08-07 07:00:03 PM  

Le Bomb Suprize: "Due to increasingly high costs we have been unable to offer health insurance to many of our employees, forcing them to either budget a significant portion of their earnings on health care or do without. However, with the Affordable Care Act, we are now able to provide health service plans to ALL of our employees at a resonable cost. The immediate impact of implementing these plans for our estimated XX thousand of employees is expected to range between 10 and 20 cents per pizza. We feel this is very manageable, and though you may see a slight increase in our prices at some point in the future, we are grateful that our employees will have greater access to health care."


I'm sure a massive Mitt Romney supporter would be reasonable instead of doom, gloom, shiat and scary words.
 
2012-08-07 07:01:43 PM  
You know instead of carping about this as a negative how about you turn it into a positive.
We Insure our employee's because a healthy employee makes a better pizza.

/na who am I kidding they'll fight it until their last breath.
 
2012-08-07 07:01:59 PM  

Le Bomb Suprize: Or, he could have said something like:

"Due to increasingly high costs we have been unable to offer health insurance to many of our employees, forcing them to either budget a significant portion of their earnings on health care or do without. However, with the Affordable Care Act, we are now able to provide health service plans to ALL of our employees at a resonable cost. The immediate impact of implementing these plans for our estimated XX thousand of employees is expected to range between 10 and 20 cents per pizza. We feel this is very manageable, and though you may see a slight increase in our prices at some point in the future, we are grateful that our employees will have greater access to health care."


Damn, that would have been nice. Well put. I'm not sure it would have given me cause to buy his pizza, but I'd have respected the man a hell of a lot more.
 
2012-08-07 07:02:37 PM  

JohnnyC: Additionally... apparently he doesn't realize that taking a political position as a business... means you just alienated at least half if not more of your customers. It's just stupid...


Papa Johns started in the river valley between Louisville and bumfark Indiana. I think they need to be more worried about half of their consumer base having enough teeth to each pizza, let alone having enough fancy dan book learnin' to become Liebruhls.
 
2012-08-07 07:03:15 PM  

CavalierEternal: He can't sell his '71 Camaro to pay for employee health insurance?


Cheaper health insurance is all well and good, but let's not get out of hand here.
 
2012-08-07 07:03:37 PM  

CujoQuarrel: I'd be amazed if the price only goes up that little. Expenses go up --- prices go up.

Did you guys think that there would be no downside to providing everyone with health care?


You're only amazed because you're ignorant.

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2012-08-07 07:05:31 PM  

KyngNothing: Papa John's, rephrased.

We COULD give our employees insurance now, but that would cost us almost $.12 per pizza (I wonder what ingredient that compares to...), and our employees just AREN'T worth that much to us...


THIS^^^^

Starbucks offer full healthcare to their workers, even the part-timers. And a cup of coffee makes much less revenue than a whole pizza pie.
 
2012-08-07 07:05:32 PM  

sparkeyjames: We Insure our employee's because a healthy employee makes a better pizza.


Psh, give me a break. The guy making your pizza is likely a high school dropout who smokes cigarettes and marijuana, doesn't wash his hands out of the bathroom, and is probably carrying around more than a couple different STDs in his crusty, unwashed nether regions. Health insurance don't fix minimum wage lifestyles.
 
2012-08-07 07:06:15 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

/one less crappy pizza chain is fine with me


Pizza joints are a good area to go local in. Almost invariably, I find a local one-location or city-only pizza place will have better pizza than any of the national chains.
 
2012-08-07 07:06:57 PM  

Brubold: And yet anywhere you choose to go you'll be paying more for your food because of the HCB.


On my! 10 cents for every 10 dollars!

But this means I can't get denied coverage because of preexisting conditions?

Who the fark cares.
 
2012-08-07 07:06:58 PM  

Shaggy_C: sparkeyjames: We Insure our employee's because a healthy employee makes a better pizza.

Psh, give me a break. The guy making your pizza is likely a high school dropout who smokes cigarettes and marijuana, doesn't wash his hands out of the bathroom, and is probably carrying around more than a couple different STDs in his crusty, unwashed nether regions. Health insurance don't fix minimum wage lifestyles.


You speak from personal experience?
 
2012-08-07 07:07:00 PM  
free isn't cheap enough to get me to eat that crap.
 
2012-08-07 07:07:43 PM  

Shaggy_C: JohnnyC: Additionally... apparently he doesn't realize that taking a political position as a business... means you just alienated at least half if not more of your customers. It's just stupid...

Papa Johns started in the river valley between Louisville and bumfark Indiana. I think they need to be more worried about half of their consumer base having enough teeth to each pizza, let alone having enough fancy dan book learnin' to become Liebruhls.


Eh... at this point... I don't really care where he started out. He won't be getting any of my business.
 
2012-08-07 07:08:07 PM  

Pincy: "We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry."

i.e. "We like the system the way it currently is where we can pay our employees close to minimum wage and let the taxpayers pick up their health care costs."


To be fair, why does health insurance have to come from employers? The system is kinda stupid in this respect.
 
2012-08-07 07:08:22 PM  
Good, we'll consider it a stupid tax.
 
2012-08-07 07:09:10 PM  

RexTalionis: I, as a consumer, have 2 options, Papa John.

1) I'd gladly pay the dime or two it takes for you to give your employees healthcare or
2) I'll take my business elsewhere and hope you go out of business.


Yeah, those were my two thoughts. Then I read this:

"If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed.

So here we have ANOTHER douchebag CEO using his business, profits and employees to protect his political interests. Does he really think his SHAREHOLDERS best interests are advanced by making sure everyone starts avoiding his crappy pizzas? Do they? Or is he hoping for a Chik-fil-a style backlash whereby people will start buying up icky pizzas to support his "free speech rights"?
 
2012-08-07 07:09:22 PM  

X-boxershorts: Shaggy_C: sparkeyjames: We Insure our employee's because a healthy employee makes a better pizza.

Psh, give me a break. The guy making your pizza is likely a high school dropout who smokes cigarettes and marijuana, doesn't wash his hands out of the bathroom, and is probably carrying around more than a couple different STDs in his crusty, unwashed nether regions. Health insurance don't fix minimum wage lifestyles.

You speak from personal experience?


I'd say he's speaking from a position of prejudice, not experience.
 
2012-08-07 07:10:37 PM  

Rapmaster2000: OMIGOD, if you weren't aware of the awkwardness that is Romney check out this video for Mitt Romney at Papa John's house.

"What a home this is, what grounds these are, the pool, the golf course," he said. "You know, if a Democrat were here he'd look around and say no one should live like this. Republicans come here and say EVERYONE should live like this. This is a real tribute to America, to entrepreneurship."

The part where he yucks it up with a coal scion as "just a coal miner amirite!?" is classic Romney.

He's like the snobby, rich guy from an 80s movie. I half expect Rodney Dangerfield to walk in and start cutting on his blazer.


yeah they're in a world of their own oblivious to the people they hurt with their selfishness.
 
2012-08-07 07:10:43 PM  

impaler: CujoQuarrel: I'd be amazed if the price only goes up that little. Expenses go up --- prices go up.

Did you guys think that there would be no downside to providing everyone with health care?

You're only amazed because you're ignorant.
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the OECD really went to shiat when they let in estonia, mexico, turkey, slovenia and chile.

it's like dumping a box of hammers into the barrel of tomatoes you were trying to compare.
 
2012-08-07 07:10:51 PM  
I order pizza at most twice a month. So let's assume I order from Papa John's both times. That about an extra $.25 per month from me so people can get health care. The horror.... the horror.

/The fact that they're not already doing this shows an almost unimaginable level of greed
//Just..... wow
 
2012-08-07 07:11:08 PM  
Oh well. It's not like they have real (Chicago style) pizza
 
2012-08-07 07:11:10 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Or is he hoping for a Chik-fil-a style backlash whereby people will start buying up icky pizzas to support his "free speech rights"?


IF he gets that... it'll last about a week. Until they forget about him when they get outraged about something else.
 
2012-08-07 07:11:38 PM  
Why would this be surprising? You raise costs for any industry, they're going to try to pass the costs along to customers.

This nuance is lost to those who think Obamacare is a)free or b) free to anyone but the rich but fark them. To the extent businesses' costs increase, and they will, to some extent, prices will rise and supply will diminish, costing everyone.

The benefit of health care reform might be worth it, but it ain't free. And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer. If its worth it, pay your extra fifteen cents a shiatty pizza and be happy.
 
2012-08-07 07:12:02 PM  

jst3p: Pincy: "We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry."

i.e. "We like the system the way it currently is where we can pay our employees close to minimum wage and let the taxpayers pick up their health care costs."

To be fair, why does health insurance have to come from employers? The system is kinda stupid in this respect.


it is the fundamental weakness.
 
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