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2012-08-07 02:56:42 PM
I, as a consumer, have 2 options, Papa John.

1) I'd gladly pay the dime or two it takes for you to give your employees healthcare or
2) I'll take my business elsewhere and hope you go out of business.
 
2012-08-07 03:00:07 PM
Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

/one less crappy pizza chain is fine with me
 
2012-08-07 03:02:04 PM
"Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza..."

OK, raise your pizza prices by 11¢ so your employees can have coverage. Or, raise your prices by a couple bucks so you can make more profit per pie, blame 'Obamacare' for high prices and watch more customers go to Pizza Hut.
 
2012-08-07 03:02:48 PM
Cost of pizza goes up
Cost of health insurance goes down
Can't explain that
 
2012-08-07 03:04:00 PM
Papa Johns is gross anyway.
 
2012-08-07 03:04:46 PM
Romney/Papa 2012
 
2012-08-07 03:06:48 PM
So? That crappy "pizza" could cost $20 more, and I wouldn't give a hoot in hell.

"Papa John" sets off my creep-o-meter, which is rarely wrong.
 
2012-08-07 03:07:02 PM
Great, just great. Now whatever I save on healthcare will be completely nullified by the massive increase in my pizza budget. Thanks, OBUMMER.
 
2012-08-07 03:08:21 PM
I live around the corner from 2 real pizzerias and less than a mile from a 3rd. I have no need for that garbage.
 
2012-08-07 03:09:50 PM
John H. Schnatter
Founder, Chairman and Co-Chief Executive Officer

TotalCompensation $2,614,516
Data for fiscal year ended in 2011
 
2012-08-07 03:12:32 PM
fark "papa" john schnatter and his shiatty pizza.
 
2012-08-07 03:12:44 PM
Wow, these asshat CEO-types just keep talking their way right out of my wallet.
 
2012-08-07 03:13:01 PM
Personally, I think Papa's is the best of the of the big 3 pizza chains. Having said that, I personally never order from the big 3 chains. Ever since I went to college, I've lived in a town big enough to have a good local NY style pizza joint with reasonable prices. But then again, I view pizza as an occasional treat, not something where an 11 cent per pie increase would break the bank.
 
2012-08-07 03:13:02 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza


Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes.
 
2012-08-07 03:14:21 PM
Papa John's: Better Herp, Better Derp, Higher Prices.
 
2012-08-07 03:15:08 PM

Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes.


True, none of them are real great, but some are worse than others

/my ex was a manager for a Papa John's store
//I tried it once and wouldn't eat it again even if it was free
 
2012-08-07 03:16:34 PM

Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes.


I'm not asking for amazing service though. I'm asking for a quality product. That's all. They can't even do that right.
 
2012-08-07 03:16:34 PM

Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes.


I live in a crappy Dallas suburb and I've got a local place that delivers good NY style pizza. Not the best I've ever had, but good. It's like $11 for a 16-inch 2 topping pizza, so yeah. The major chains suck by comparison.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-08-07 03:16:43 PM

Happy Hours: WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes.


Or you can order from local pizza stores that actually know how to cook a pizza. Sure it costs more, but the taste is better and the quality is better. You pay for what you get.
 
2012-08-07 03:19:17 PM
I miss Little Caesar's.
 
2012-08-07 03:22:19 PM

kronicfeld: I miss Little Caesar's.


We still have them around here. There's one 10 minutes from my house. I'll pick up a $5 Hot-N-Ready every now and then. One time I got there five minutes before close and they gave me 2-for-1.
 
2012-08-07 03:25:38 PM

kronicfeld: Cost of pizza goes up
Cost of health insurance goes down
Can't explain that


Given the grease content of a Papa John's pizza, it seems pretty self-explanatory.
 
2012-08-07 03:27:09 PM

Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?


Depends on where you live. Pagliacci Pizza in Seattle is excellent, for delivery pizza.

Major national chains are designed to be bland, flavorless glop, on purpose. Local places are almost always better.
 
2012-08-07 03:33:19 PM

Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes.


Eh. Vocelli's isn't bad, but I've sworn off Domino's completely and PJ's isn't spectacular but I do like thier "two free toppings for every touchdown your team scores when they win" thing

Little Sleazers is rapidly becoming a go-to because of the can't miss price and speed of pick-up (but it nothing like the glorious litle ceasers of the early 90's, more's the pity)

But when I want a GOOD pizza? Delivery ain;t really an option, going out to the place with the uber-hot wood-burning oven is the only way to make that happen
 
2012-08-07 03:34:01 PM

propasaurus: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza..."


Well, you're full of shiat, but ok, I'll bite:

I WOULD PAY AN EXTRA ELEVEN TO FOURTEEN CENTS TO STOP MY FELLOW CITIZENS FROM DYING OF EASILY PREVENTABLE DISEASES.


Because I'm not a farking sociopath.
 
2012-08-07 03:34:47 PM

Happy Hours: WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes


So it's elitist to call Papa John's disgusting?

Goddamn right I'm elitist.
 
2012-08-07 03:35:10 PM

FloydA: Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

Depends on where you live. Pagliacci Pizza in Seattle is excellent, for delivery pizza.

Major national chains are designed to be bland, flavorless glop, on purpose. Local places are almost always better.


Yeah, there's one great pizza place where I live but I can never remember the name and their prices are about 50% more than the major name brands and you only get one pizza for that price, not two. If you don't want cardboard pizza you gotta pay non-cardboard prices.
 
2012-08-07 03:37:45 PM

Happy Hours: FloydA: Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

Depends on where you live. Pagliacci Pizza in Seattle is excellent, for delivery pizza.

Major national chains are designed to be bland, flavorless glop, on purpose. Local places are almost always better.

Yeah, there's one great pizza place where I live but I can never remember the name and their prices are about 50% more than the major name brands and you only get one pizza for that price, not two. If you don't want cardboard pizza you gotta pay non-cardboard prices.


I get my pizza at a local place that sells slices for about $2. It tastes delicious.

/I even leave my house to get it myself
 
2012-08-07 03:39:32 PM

what_now: propasaurus: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza..."

Well, you're full of shiat, but ok, I'll bite:

I WOULD PAY AN EXTRA ELEVEN TO FOURTEEN CENTS TO STOP MY FELLOW CITIZENS FROM DYING OF EASILY PREVENTABLE DISEASES.

Because I'm not a farking sociopath.


I'm wondering if they factored in the increased productivity, due to less people taking less sick days due to increased access to preventative / early treatment, in their numbers.
 
2012-08-07 03:40:12 PM
Oh noes! Now I'll have to pay more money for a pizza that I never buy!
 
2012-08-07 03:41:03 PM

Happy Hours:

Yeah, there's one great pizza place where I live but I can never remember the name and their prices are about 50% more than the major name brands and you only get one pizza for that price, not two. If you don't want cardboard pizza you gotta pay non-cardboard prices.


Yep. Fast, Good and Cheap: pick any two.
 
2012-08-07 03:43:23 PM
I live somewhere that has fast, good, and cheap pizza.
 
2012-08-07 03:46:51 PM

Sgt Otter: what_now: propasaurus: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza..."

Well, you're full of shiat, but ok, I'll bite:

I WOULD PAY AN EXTRA ELEVEN TO FOURTEEN CENTS TO STOP MY FELLOW CITIZENS FROM DYING OF EASILY PREVENTABLE DISEASES.

Because I'm not a farking sociopath.

I'm wondering if they factored in the increased productivity, due to less people taking less sick days due to increased access to preventative / early treatment, in their numbers.


My guess is, if they're saying it would be an 11-14 cent increase per pizza, that's probably due to a 3¢ increase for 'Obabamcare' and an 8¢ increase in profit that they'll blame on 'Obamacare.'
 
2012-08-07 03:47:38 PM

Sgt Otter: what_now: propasaurus: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza..."

Well, you're full of shiat, but ok, I'll bite:

I WOULD PAY AN EXTRA ELEVEN TO FOURTEEN CENTS TO STOP MY FELLOW CITIZENS FROM DYING OF EASILY PREVENTABLE DISEASES.

Because I'm not a farking sociopath.

I'm wondering if they factored in the increased productivity, due to less people taking less sick days due to increased access to preventative / early treatment, in their numbers.


If they take that into account then to be fair, they also have to take into account increased sick days for PJs management who have to endure the psychological trauma of living with another four years of Minusbama Presidenting while Muslin.
 
2012-08-07 03:49:07 PM
To steal from Yglesias:

Stipulating for a moment that this is true, doesn't it seem like a rather small price to pay? Papa John's website is currently offering to deliver me a large pepperoni pizza for $14.08 and Schnatter is warning me that the problem with ObamaCare is . . . a one-time price increase of less than one percent! That seems eminently reasonable. What's more, it's well within the range of the kind of price swings Papa John's is going to have to expect just based on the vagaries of the weather (which impact the price of ingredients) and the ups and downs of the oil market. There's just no there there.
 
2012-08-07 03:50:12 PM
Somebody doesn't know how the laws of supply & demand work, do they?
 
2012-08-07 03:54:48 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Somebody doesn't know how the laws of supply & demand work, do they?


But they sure know how fear & deception work.
 
2012-08-07 03:59:15 PM
Yet they still have a $2.00 Delivery Fee.
 
2012-08-07 04:00:56 PM
I'm not losing any sleep over this.
 
2012-08-07 04:01:16 PM
I don't care, your pizza sucks. Big Papa, the question I want to know is, just where do you stand on homosexschule marrrrge?
 
2012-08-07 04:03:46 PM
Right now, somewhere, a Papa John's delivery guy is handing over a pizza to someone who's sneering "I'd tip you, but after that Obamacare price increase I just can't afford it."

Said person deserves to have his front porch be set upon by a syphilitic rhinoceros force-fed jalapeno peppers and ex-lax
 
2012-08-07 04:05:16 PM
which they vowed to pass onto consumers

Gee, thanks. Assholes.
 
2012-08-07 04:05:35 PM
11 to 14 cents per pizza,

encrypted-tbn1.google.com
 
2012-08-07 04:06:57 PM
Oh, and several years ago all the pizza places around me tacked on a $1.00 - $2.00 per order "delivery fee" purportedly to compensate for the increase in the cost of gas, when there was no chance that the increased cost of gas for a single delivery came anywhere close to that amount - much less the multiple deliveries made on each outing by a delivery driver. And, I noticed, that delivery fee didn't gone anywhere when the price of gas decreased. Curious, that.
 
2012-08-07 04:07:37 PM
In their defense, 11 to 14 cents is the cost for 50 gallons of that garlic sludge.
 
2012-08-07 04:07:53 PM

kronicfeld: Oh, and several years ago all the pizza places around me tacked on a $1.00 - $2.00 per order "delivery fee" purportedly to compensate for the increase in the cost of gas, when there was no chance that the increased cost of gas for a single delivery came anywhere close to that amount - much less the multiple deliveries made on each outing by a delivery driver. And, I noticed, that delivery fee didn't gone anywhere when the price of gas decreased. Curious, that.


If you can't afford to tip...
 
2012-08-07 04:08:49 PM
Papa John's = Derptard
Dominoes = founded by a prolife fundie nutjob
Godfather's = formerly run by Derptard
Pizza Hut = I don't know but they are the worst out of all the chains out there.

Make's me glad out of all the Pizza chains I could have worked for in college I wound up at Little Caesar's. Mr. Illitch by all reports is a nice guy, the family seems to be liberal but for the most part avoids talking about politics and he owns the Red Wings (my favorite team) and is trying to spend enough this year to get the Tigers into another World Series.
 
2012-08-07 04:10:03 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: If you can't afford to tip...


Move to Japan?
 
2012-08-07 04:10:55 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: kronicfeld: Oh, and several years ago all the pizza places around me tacked on a $1.00 - $2.00 per order "delivery fee" purportedly to compensate for the increase in the cost of gas, when there was no chance that the increased cost of gas for a single delivery came anywhere close to that amount - much less the multiple deliveries made on each outing by a delivery driver. And, I noticed, that delivery fee didn't gone anywhere when the price of gas decreased. Curious, that.

If you can't afford to tip...


They prominently point out that the delivery fee is not in any way intended to be a replacement for a tip, and that we are expected to pay their drivers for them.
 
2012-08-07 04:11:57 PM
Make your own pizza. Seriously, I'm lazy as hell and even I can whip together a decent pizza in no time flat.
 
2012-08-07 04:13:45 PM
Anyone that calls the Affordable Care Act "Obamacare" as a means to slur it, is an asshole. Good to know what side of the asshole/non-asshole ledger this clown goes on.

There's a Little Caesar's about a mile from our house that's going to get an uptick in our business now, because anyone who sees a problem in raising prices a few cents so their workers can get health care, is too stupid to get my money.
 
2012-08-07 04:15:35 PM
John S

Dusk-You-n-Me: John H. Schnatter
Founder, Chairman and Co-Chief Executive Officer

TotalCompensation $2,614,516
Data for fiscal year ended in 2011


Net worth $240 million (from wikipedia)
 
2012-08-07 04:16:07 PM

Coco LaFemme: Anyone that calls the Affordable Care Act "Obamacare" as a means to slur it, is an asshole. Good to know what side of the asshole/non-asshole ledger this clown goes on.

There's a Little Caesar's about a mile from our house that's going to get an uptick in our business now, because anyone who sees a problem in raising prices a few cents so their workers can get health care, is too stupid to get my money.


Little Caesar's doesn't deliver. Advantage: Papa John's.
 
2012-08-07 04:18:05 PM
"Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza, or 15 to 20 cents per order from a corporate basis," Schnatter said.

sooo...the cost is negligible AND you have your employees covered when it comes to health care. Why is this a problem?
 
2012-08-07 04:18:29 PM

coco ebert: Make your own pizza. Seriously, I'm lazy as hell and even I can whip together a decent pizza in no time flat.


I like the Take & Bake pizza places, like Papa Murphy's. Even though they don't deliver, you can snag one while you're out running errands and then keep it in the fridge until dinner time.
 
2012-08-07 04:19:31 PM
I would boycott Papa Johns if I didn't already not eat there.
 
2012-08-07 04:19:41 PM

Coco LaFemme: Anyone that calls the Affordable Care Act "Obamacare" as a means to slur it, is an asshole. Good to know what side of the asshole/non-asshole ledger this clown goes on..


I think I like calling it 'obamacare' because it drives the GOP shills nuts. SCOTUS ruled it constitutional and they...can't handle it. Obamacare, Obamacare Obamacare!

*sigh*

you can almost hear the screams of outrage.
 
2012-08-07 04:20:45 PM
If people are already buying your crappy pizza, a couple more cents won't stop them.
 
2012-08-07 04:20:52 PM

Nabb1: Coco LaFemme: Anyone that calls the Affordable Care Act "Obamacare" as a means to slur it, is an asshole. Good to know what side of the asshole/non-asshole ledger this clown goes on.

There's a Little Caesar's about a mile from our house that's going to get an uptick in our business now, because anyone who sees a problem in raising prices a few cents so their workers can get health care, is too stupid to get my money.

Little Caesar's doesn't deliver. Advantage: Papa John's.


Don't care. I can drive a mile to pick up a cheap, decent pizza if the boyfriend and I want one.
 
2012-08-07 04:21:58 PM

Coco LaFemme: Nabb1: Coco LaFemme: Anyone that calls the Affordable Care Act "Obamacare" as a means to slur it, is an asshole. Good to know what side of the asshole/non-asshole ledger this clown goes on.

There's a Little Caesar's about a mile from our house that's going to get an uptick in our business now, because anyone who sees a problem in raising prices a few cents so their workers can get health care, is too stupid to get my money.

Little Caesar's doesn't deliver. Advantage: Papa John's.

Don't care. I can drive a mile to pick up a cheap, decent pizza if the boyfriend and I want one.


That's great. I prefer delivery. Much easier for me personally.
 
2012-08-07 04:22:59 PM

Petit_Merdeux: which they vowed to pass onto consumers

Gee, thanks. Assholes.


Yeah, now that my neighborhood just got a Papa Johns, I know not to bother giving them my business.
 
2012-08-07 04:24:12 PM

NuttierThanEver:
Make's me glad out of all the Pizza chains I could have worked for in college I wound up at Little Caesar's. Mr. Illitch by all reports is a nice guy, the family seems to be liberal but for the most part avoids talking about politics and he owns the Red Wings (my favorite team) and is trying to spend enough this year to get the Tigers into another World Series.


It's not just that he owns the sports teams - he really seems to be trying, in the way he knows how, to help keep Detroit alive as a community. Illitch is one of my heroes (until I find out some deal-breaker about him); sadly, his pizza is horrible.
 
2012-08-07 04:28:24 PM

gilgigamesh: Petit_Merdeux: which they vowed to pass onto consumers

Gee, thanks. Assholes.

Yeah, now that my neighborhood just got a Papa Johns, I know not to bother giving them my business.


I don't see what the big deal is. The cost of pizza is going up a couple of dimes to reflect an increase in cost per unit. He's just stating the obvious.

/BTW, try Magazine Pizza. It's really, really good.
 
2012-08-07 04:29:32 PM

Coco LaFemme: Anyone that calls the Affordable Care Act "Obamacare" as a means to slur it, is an asshole. Good to know what side of the asshole/non-asshole ledger this clown goes on.

There's a Little Caesar's about a mile from our house that's going to get an uptick in our business now, because anyone who sees a problem in raising prices a few cents so their workers can get health care, is too stupid to get my money.


"You want to call it Obamacare - that's okay, because I do care," Obama said at a fundraiser in Atlanta late last week.
 
2012-08-07 04:30:46 PM

Nabb1: That's great. I prefer delivery. Much easier for me personally.


Don't you live uptown? You must have more pizza delivery options than you could possibly need. Reginellis, Pepperonis, New York Pizza, right off the top of my head.
 
2012-08-07 04:31:26 PM
Papa John's, rephrased.

We COULD give our employees insurance now, but that would cost us almost $.12 per pizza (I wonder what ingredient that compares to...), and our employees just AREN'T worth that much to us...
 
2012-08-07 04:34:27 PM

gilgigamesh: Nabb1: That's great. I prefer delivery. Much easier for me personally.

Don't you live uptown? You must have more pizza delivery options than you could possibly need. Reginellis, Pepperonis, New York Pizza, right off the top of my head.


Sure, but I like Papa John's wings (yeah, I said it - and they're baked, so they aren't as bad as fries and honestly, there aren't many places in this town to get good wings, which I find really odd) and my son loves the bread sticks. But, lately we've been ordering from Magazine Pizza. I don't know where you live, but they're fairly new and they have really, really good pizza.
 
2012-08-07 04:34:27 PM
Well, the last thing I want is healthy people preparing my food.
 
2012-08-07 04:36:08 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Well, the last thing I want is healthy people preparing my food.


Flawless Victory.
 
2012-08-07 04:36:48 PM
The horror.
The. Horror.
 
2012-08-07 04:36:52 PM
I really don't see why papa john's is biatching about spending .11 cents or so per pizza to make sure his employees have health care.
 
2012-08-07 04:37:03 PM
I suppose the only thing left to add is that if an additional 14 cents pushes the pizza out of the customer's price range, s/he is probably not ordering pizza all that often anyway.
 
2012-08-07 04:37:06 PM

Nabb1: gilgigamesh: Petit_Merdeux: which they vowed to pass onto consumers

Gee, thanks. Assholes.

Yeah, now that my neighborhood just got a Papa Johns, I know not to bother giving them my business.

I don't see what the big deal is. The cost of pizza is going up a couple of dimes to reflect an increase in cost per unit. He's just stating the obvious.


I am not sure this is an actual statement of costs he will have to pass on, so much as it is petulance and/or political posturing. John Schnatter is a major player for the Romney campaign.

Anyway about the only delivery I can get is Reginellis. Papa Johns just opened at Robt E Lee and Paris. Between the two.... eh, I am going to stick with Reginellis.

/BTW, try Magazine Pizza. It's really, really good.

I will bear that in mind. Its rare when I eat uptown, and that is too far for them to deliver to me. But this city is in serious need of decent pizza. Which is odd because pizza/italian places are ubiquitious.
 
2012-08-07 04:39:52 PM

Nabb1: He's just stating the obvious.


If I was a CEO, I wouldn't "vow" to pass on the cost to my customers. I would "grudgingly" pass them on, or "regretfully" pass them on.

Unless I was a raging farkwad who thought my customers were worthless vermin.
 
2012-08-07 04:40:25 PM
Or better yet, tell Papa John and all the chains to shove their craptastic pizza and buy from a local pizzeria.


/I Heart NY Pizza FTW
 
2012-08-07 04:40:46 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Well, the last thing I want is healthy people preparing my food.


Awesome.
 
2012-08-07 04:41:09 PM

gilgigamesh: I will bear that in mind. Its rare when I eat uptown, and that is too far for them to deliver to me. But this city is in serious need of decent pizza. Which is odd because pizza/italian places are ubiquitious.


I've never figured out the lack of really good pizza here. Theo's is pretty good, but they don't deliver. Slice is another good one. They used to do Sicilian style when they first opened but stopped because they weren't selling enough of it. Apparently the dough has to proof twice as long as regular pizza dough, so they gave up on it.
 
2012-08-07 04:41:51 PM

Weaver95: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza, or 15 to 20 cents per order from a corporate basis," Schnatter said.

sooo...the cost is negligible AND you have your employees covered when it comes to health care. Why is this a problem?


Because corporate America has trained itself to believe that any money spent on employees is simply lost profit.
 
2012-08-07 04:43:05 PM

gilgigamesh: Nabb1: gilgigamesh: Petit_Merdeux: which they vowed to pass onto consumers

Gee, thanks. Assholes.

Yeah, now that my neighborhood just got a Papa Johns, I know not to bother giving them my business.

I don't see what the big deal is. The cost of pizza is going up a couple of dimes to reflect an increase in cost per unit. He's just stating the obvious.

I am not sure this is an actual statement of costs he will have to pass on, so much as it is petulance and/or political posturing. John Schnatter is a major player for the Romney campaign.

Anyway about the only delivery I can get is Reginellis. Papa Johns just opened at Robt E Lee and Paris. Between the two.... eh, I am going to stick with Reginellis.

/BTW, try Magazine Pizza. It's really, really good.

I will bear that in mind. Its rare when I eat uptown, and that is too far for them to deliver to me. But this city is in serious need of decent pizza. Which is odd because pizza/italian places are ubiquitious.


I've heard Slice on St. Charles is good as well. They don't deliver though, only pick up .
 
2012-08-07 04:44:09 PM

Nabb1: Sure, but I like Papa John's wings (yeah, I said it - and they're baked, so they aren't as bad as fries and honestly, there aren't many places in this town to get good wings, which I find really odd) and my son loves the bread sticks. But, lately we've been ordering from Magazine Pizza. I don't know where you live, but they're fairly new and they have really, really good pizza.


Tell me about it. A little piece of me died when Wing Zone folded. Or more probably, my life got prolonged by 3 or 4 years. Anyway, I hear you.

Have you tried the place that replaced them? It isn't wing zone, but they are deep fried, proper wings. I forget the name, but its in the same place.

Also, for your edification:

- Bayou Beer Garden: proper, cheap, no bullshiat buffalo wings. Good chunky bleu cheese.

- Fat Harry's: ditto. Also (last time I checked) wings are half price, along with half price pitchers, for Monday Night Football.

- Bull Dog: decent wings, the real deal, but hit or miss on quality. Plus for some reason they think they can get away with charging $12 FOR F*CKING CHICKEN WINGS. But sometimes its 1 am and you need wings.
 
2012-08-07 04:44:31 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Weaver95: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza, or 15 to 20 cents per order from a corporate basis," Schnatter said.

sooo...the cost is negligible AND you have your employees covered when it comes to health care. Why is this a problem?

Because corporate America has trained itself to believe that any money spent on employees is simply lost profit.


well of course. I mean...we can't have the peons getting uppity now can we?
 
2012-08-07 04:44:39 PM

coco ebert: gilgigamesh: Nabb1: gilgigamesh: Petit_Merdeux: which they vowed to pass onto consumers

Gee, thanks. Assholes.

Yeah, now that my neighborhood just got a Papa Johns, I know not to bother giving them my business.

I don't see what the big deal is. The cost of pizza is going up a couple of dimes to reflect an increase in cost per unit. He's just stating the obvious.

I am not sure this is an actual statement of costs he will have to pass on, so much as it is petulance and/or political posturing. John Schnatter is a major player for the Romney campaign.

Anyway about the only delivery I can get is Reginellis. Papa Johns just opened at Robt E Lee and Paris. Between the two.... eh, I am going to stick with Reginellis.

/BTW, try Magazine Pizza. It's really, really good.

I will bear that in mind. Its rare when I eat uptown, and that is too far for them to deliver to me. But this city is in serious need of decent pizza. Which is odd because pizza/italian places are ubiquitious.

I've heard Slice on St. Charles is good as well. They don't deliver though, only pick up .


I love this. You get any number of New Orleanians in a thread on any topic and eventually they'll start talking about places to eat.
 
2012-08-07 04:45:51 PM
This coming from a guy with a net worth of $240 million. I'm trying to shed a tear about the fact that he'll only rake in $10.95 million in 2014 instead of the usual $11 million. *sob*

Why don't you Obamatards care about how you're hurting these poor CEOs?!?!
 
2012-08-07 04:46:30 PM

gilgigamesh: Nabb1: Sure, but I like Papa John's wings (yeah, I said it - and they're baked, so they aren't as bad as fries and honestly, there aren't many places in this town to get good wings, which I find really odd) and my son loves the bread sticks. But, lately we've been ordering from Magazine Pizza. I don't know where you live, but they're fairly new and they have really, really good pizza.

Tell me about it. A little piece of me died when Wing Zone folded. Or more probably, my life got prolonged by 3 or 4 years. Anyway, I hear you.

Have you tried the place that replaced them? It isn't wing zone, but they are deep fried, proper wings. I forget the name, but its in the same place.

Also, for your edification:

- Bayou Beer Garden: proper, cheap, no bullshiat buffalo wings. Good chunky bleu cheese.

- Fat Harry's: ditto. Also (last time I checked) wings are half price, along with half price pitchers, for Monday Night Football.

- Bull Dog: decent wings, the real deal, but hit or miss on quality. Plus for some reason they think they can get away with charging $12 FOR F*CKING CHICKEN WINGS. But sometimes its 1 am and you need wings.


Bayou Wingery replaces Wild Wings. They're okay. They bread the wings before frying, a big no-no in my book texture-wise, but they taste good. I used to get wings at the Bulldog and often noted they were hit-or-miss. I haven't been to the Bulldog in ages.
 
2012-08-07 04:48:51 PM

Nabb1: Coco LaFemme: Anyone that calls the Affordable Care Act "Obamacare" as a means to slur it, is an asshole. Good to know what side of the asshole/non-asshole ledger this clown goes on.

There's a Little Caesar's about a mile from our house that's going to get an uptick in our business now, because anyone who sees a problem in raising prices a few cents so their workers can get health care, is too stupid to get my money.

Little Caesar's doesn't deliver. Advantage: Papa John's.


That's funny, I spent 2 years delivering Pizza for them
 
2012-08-07 04:50:17 PM

coco ebert: Make your own pizza. Seriously, I'm lazy as hell and even I can whip together a decent pizza in no time flat.


Commie.
 
2012-08-07 04:51:40 PM

DeltaPunch: This coming from a guy with a net worth of $240 million. I'm trying to shed a tear about the fact that he'll only rake in $10.95 million in 2014 instead of the usual $11 million. *sob*

Why don't you Obamatards care about how you're hurting these poor CEOs?!?!


at least he won't pay any taxes on that $10.95 million.
 
2012-08-07 04:51:49 PM

NuttierThanEver: That's funny, I spent 2 years delivering Pizza for them


Huh. Maybe some used to, but none of the ones here or where I lived in SC did.
 
2012-08-07 04:52:20 PM

Nabb1: Bayou Wingery replaces Wild Wings. They're okay. They bread the wings before frying, a big no-no in my book texture-wise, but they taste good. I used to get wings at the Bulldog and often noted they were hit-or-miss. I haven't been to the Bulldog in ages.


You can request your wings "naked" at Bayou. Problem solved. In fact, they know me so well when I call I don't even need to tell them any more. I like the sauce, I just think their wings are a little small. I go out of my way to patronize them because they are just a couple of nice young guys struggling with an entrepreneurial dream. I like seeing that.

I know its tough for you to get out and eat given your family way, but if you ever do get to get away, give Bayou Beer Garden in mid-city a shot. Good beer, great spot for football, and proper wings.
 
2012-08-07 04:53:05 PM
Why the hell would you eat pizza in New Orleans? That's like going to Italy and eating Chinese food.
 
2012-08-07 04:54:15 PM

gilgigamesh: You can request your wings "naked" at Bayou. Problem solved. In fact, they know me so well when I call I don't even need to tell them any more. I like the sauce, I just think their wings are a little small. I go out of my way to patronize them because they are just a couple of nice young guys struggling with an entrepreneurial dream. I like seeing that.


I'll have to remember that.

I know its tough for you to get out and eat given your family way, but if you ever do get to get away, give Bayou Beer Garden in mid-city a shot. Good beer, great spot for football, and proper wings.

I'll give that a shot. On the occasions I do get out for a beer and some sports watching, I'm either at Bruno's or Cooter Brown's.
 
2012-08-07 04:56:30 PM

what_now: Why the hell would you eat pizza in New Orleans? That's like going to Italy and eating Chinese food.


Funny story. I went to a Chinese restaurant when I was in Milan. The waitress didn't speak English, we didn't speak Italian, so we communicated in Spanish.
 
2012-08-07 04:56:48 PM

what_now: Why the hell would you eat pizza in New Orleans? That's like going to Italy and eating Chinese food.


We're not visiting New Orleans. We live here. I'm positive Italians don't eat Italian food every night, either.

Also, there is a huge Italian-American community here. Mostly of Sicilian descent, I believe, given all the St. Joseph's Day observances.
 
2012-08-07 04:57:38 PM
Nabb1

LOL. The funny thing is, I'm not even a New Orleanian but I've spent three summers there and already feel like I could talk for hours about restaurants. Good lord does that city love its food.
 
2012-08-07 04:58:02 PM

Nabb1: I'll give that a shot. On the occasions I do get out for a beer and some sports watching, I'm either at Bruno's or Cooter Brown's.


Cooters has a far better beer selection, of course, but BBG has a nice big courtyard in back and lots of TVs. Its definitely worth a try.
 
2012-08-07 05:01:41 PM

Nabb1: what_now: Why the hell would you eat pizza in New Orleans? That's like going to Italy and eating Chinese food.

We're not visiting New Orleans. We live here. I'm positive Italians don't eat Italian food every night, either.

Also, there is a huge Italian-American community here. Mostly of Sicilian descent, I believe, given all the St. Joseph's Day observances.


What kills me is that every year, freaking Popeyes wins Gambits readers choice for best red beans and rice in town.

What kills me even more is that with the exception of a handful of places, it actually is one of the best.
 
2012-08-07 05:02:44 PM

gilgigamesh: Nabb1: I'll give that a shot. On the occasions I do get out for a beer and some sports watching, I'm either at Bruno's or Cooter Brown's.

Cooters has a far better beer selection, of course, but BBG has a nice big courtyard in back and lots of TVs. Its definitely worth a try.


Fries with debris and cheese... oh, my.
 
2012-08-07 05:03:01 PM
Does this mean we all have to go now to the nearest Papa John's and start kissing men on the mouth? Cause my lips are still chapped from the last protest.
 
2012-08-07 05:06:13 PM

Nabb1: Fries with debris and cheese... oh, my.


Yessir.

Last time I got that, I took it home and it lasted me two days after.
 
2012-08-07 05:06:23 PM

Endrick: Coco LaFemme: Anyone that calls the Affordable Care Act "Obamacare" as a means to slur it, is an asshole. Good to know what side of the asshole/non-asshole ledger this clown goes on.

There's a Little Caesar's about a mile from our house that's going to get an uptick in our business now, because anyone who sees a problem in raising prices a few cents so their workers can get health care, is too stupid to get my money.

"You want to call it Obamacare - that's okay, because I do care," Obama said at a fundraiser in Atlanta late last week.


I said "to slur it". Did you not catch that part?
 
2012-08-07 05:07:44 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Well, the last thing I want is healthy people preparing my food.


www.whosawesome.com
 
2012-08-07 05:10:37 PM
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?p e rsonId=325396&ticker=PZZA:US&previousCapId=325388&previousTitle=PAPA%2 0JOHN'S%20INTL%20INC

Executive Profile*
John H. Schnatter
Founder, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Papa John's International Inc.
Age 50 Total Calculated Compensation $2,745,219 This person is connected to 6 board members in 1 different organizations across 2 different industries.

How dare we challenge his corporate salary with our demands that he quit vampirically sucking out the life of his employees.
 
2012-08-07 05:15:54 PM
The dude should choke on the three pennies it adds to a slice. shiat tastes great but gives me the runs every time. I spend more on Immodium per slice
 
2012-08-07 05:16:30 PM
We should get rid of all the illegal immigrants that pick the tomatoes for Papa. I'm sure that'll do wonders for the price of one of their shiat pie.
 
2012-08-07 05:21:27 PM

violentsalvation: I don't care, your pizza sucks. Big Papa, the question I want to know is, just where do you stand on homosexschule marrrrge?


http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_political_donations/John_Schnatter.php

Well, he is a subscriber to the old boys club. I'm guessing publicly against; privately doesn't care.
 
2012-08-07 05:26:28 PM
So I guess Romneycare nearly drove them out of Massachusetts, huh?
 
2012-08-07 05:26:39 PM

RexTalionis: I, as a consumer, have 2 options, Papa John.

1) I'd gladly pay the dime or two it takes for you to give your employees healthcare or
2) I'll take my business elsewhere and hope you go out of business.


I like this plan.
 
2012-08-07 05:27:19 PM

coco ebert: Make your own pizza. Seriously, I'm lazy as hell and even I can whip together a decent pizza in no time flat.


YOU DIDN'T MAKE THAT!
 
2012-08-07 05:31:37 PM
Papa John's has 3,000 stores, 16,000 employees, and made $51 million in profits in 2010.

Its not a lemonade stand run by 7 year old girls.
 
2012-08-07 05:53:38 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: violentsalvation: I don't care, your pizza sucks. Big Papa, the question I want to know is, just where do you stand on homosexschule marrrrge?

http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_political_donations/John_Schnatter.php

Well, he is a subscriber to the old boys club. I'm guessing publicly against; privately doesn't care.


Wait is Kentucky Victory Fund a branch of Victory Fund?
 
2012-08-07 05:58:44 PM
As someone who had Papa John's for supper, I'm getting a kick...

\three people deliver here - Papa John's, the garlic-overloaded Dominos, or the very, very greasy local place
\\and whatever the foodies may say, Papa John's isn't that bad
\\\it's not the place that closed in my old neighborhood, but no one ever will be
 
2012-08-07 05:58:49 PM

Elmo Jones: So? That crappy "pizza" could cost $20 more, and I wouldn't give a hoot in hell.

"Papa John" sets off my creep-o-meter, which is rarely wrong.


You don't want a mouthful of Papa's warm cheese?
 
2012-08-07 05:59:03 PM
I have two pizza stones and an oven that goes to 550. It's not exactly like a clay oven, but it works.
 
2012-08-07 05:59:06 PM
$.11 to $.14? So you're Obamacare doubles the cost to make a pizza?
 
2012-08-07 06:00:49 PM

Weaver95: I really don't see why papa john's is biatching about spending .11 cents or so per pizza to make sure his employees have health care.


That's how "Job Creators ®" think.
 
2012-08-07 06:01:00 PM
"Death Panels" was a lot scarier than marginally more expensive bad chain pizza, you guys.
 
2012-08-07 06:01:59 PM
As a consumer of Papa John's I will gladly pay the increased price in order to ensure your employees have adequate health care. In fact, just to help offset things, add an extra $.50 to the pizza and consider giving them something resembling a decent wage.
 
2012-08-07 06:02:14 PM
Papa John's still exists? I don't think I've seen one in over a decade.
 
2012-08-07 06:02:49 PM
Papa Johns ceased to exist for me when the official company reaction to the delivery driver calling CPS because he smelled pot in a customers house was supportive of the employee.
 
2012-08-07 06:03:59 PM
25.media.tumblr.com

Simple solution: just don't cut the pizza then pass the savings on to the customer.
 
2012-08-07 06:04:20 PM
Yeah, I'm fine with this. For lots of reasons already stated, including Matthew Yglesias's trenchant observations.
 
2012-08-07 06:04:22 PM
I wish we didn't have poor people so that places like this wouldn't have employees
 
2012-08-07 06:04:22 PM

propasaurus: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza..."

OK, raise your pizza prices by 11¢ so your employees can have coverage. Or, raise your prices by a couple bucks so you can make more profit per pie, blame 'Obamacare' for high prices and watch more customers go to Pizza Hut.


What color is the sky in your world? Why do you think Pizza Hut isn't going to raise their prices, too? Are they exempt from Obamacare?
 
2012-08-07 06:05:55 PM
OHNOES! I'll have to not order your sh*tty pizza even harder now.
 
2012-08-07 06:06:16 PM
Poor John, we should stop dairy farmer subsidy, (which is how he directly benefits from the Government), the price of cheese (one of the largest cost per pizza) would skyrocket. there he can pay his full cost
 
2012-08-07 06:06:54 PM
When my local Papa Johns drivers are out on the road, they are paid about $5.50 an hour. Only when they are clocked in back at the store do they even make minimum wage.

The local owners are idiots and cheapskates and deserve to go out of business ASAP. A driver pays for gas, oil, car repairs, insurance and can possibly be robbed/killed/in major MVAs all for a shiatty pizza made by teenagers who don't know what sanitation is.


So fark em.

I can make my own awesome pizza, thank you.
 
2012-08-07 06:07:51 PM
Well since I have Little Caeser's if I want a decent pizza immediately for $5, and Pepe's Pizza in New Haven when I'm feeling patient and want the best damn pizza in America, I don't really give a rat's ass.
 
2012-08-07 06:08:38 PM
Cost of gas delivering pizza: 70¢*
Cost of health care: 15¢

*5 mile round trip, with a car that gets 25mpg city.

The cost of health care could be negated by hybrids.
 
2012-08-07 06:09:49 PM

Bill Murray said I was weird: Well since I have Little Caeser's if I want a decent pizza immediately for $5


What color is the sky in your world?
 
2012-08-07 06:09:59 PM

Lsherm: propasaurus: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza..."

OK, raise your pizza prices by 11¢ so your employees can have coverage. Or, raise your prices by a couple bucks so you can make more profit per pie, blame 'Obamacare' for high prices and watch more customers go to Pizza Hut.

What color is the sky in your world? Why do you think Pizza Hut isn't going to raise their prices, too? Are they exempt from Obamacare?


They may choose to not raise the price, and the increase in customers that ditch Papa John's would overcome the extra cost.

And assuming this Papa John's guy is a good businessman, the price is ALREADY where the maximum revenue is. So his choices if costs were to raise due to Obamacare are 1) convince the customer to pay more 2) take a hit in profits 3) get out of the business. Keep in mind 1) is not guaranteed to work.
 
2012-08-07 06:10:10 PM
If the only thing keeping you from providing health care to all your employees was $0.14 a pie, you should have been DOING THAT YEARS AGO!!! The majority of customers would not have noticed, those who did would keep ordering.

Asshat.
 
2012-08-07 06:12:32 PM
Take your shiatty pizza and cram it up your ass along with your douchebaggery, asshole. Making sure your wage slaves get health care will cost me less in taxes than any increase in prices on products I do buy, which you can rest assured do not include that ketchup-on-cardboard monstrosity you have the unmitigated gall to call a pizza.

Now kindly fark off and eat a bowl of dicks, Papa Jackoff.
 
2012-08-07 06:12:36 PM
always the farking profit over people with Capitalist America.

did you see the post stating how much this Slave owner pays himself? and rather than eat a small percentage of his pay (which is way to high) to provide his employes, his team, with health insurance, he makes it into a stump for political blackmail and threatens the customers that made him what he is.

this kind of greed makes me sick, is there a doctor in the house? i have insurance.
 
2012-08-07 06:12:36 PM
"Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza, or 15 to 20 cents per order from a corporate basis," Schnatter said.

So I can't either pay .10 cents less for shiatty pizza or have my insurer cover me for pre-existing conditions if I get cancer.

Gee, that's a tough choice.
 
2012-08-07 06:14:25 PM

FloydA: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Well, the last thing I want is healthy people preparing my food.

Awesome.


Remember all the crying about Seattle's sick leave ordinance? Restaurants do prefer their employees to be sick while working.
 
2012-08-07 06:14:33 PM

jst3p: Bill Murray said I was weird: Well since I have Little Caeser's if I want a decent pizza immediately for $5

What color is the sky in your world?


Chartreuse.
 
2012-08-07 06:15:56 PM

FloydA: Pagliacci Pizza in Seattle is excellent, for delivery pizza.


Zeeks.
 
2012-08-07 06:16:37 PM

what_now: propasaurus: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza..."

Well, you're full of shiat, but ok, I'll bite:

I WOULD PAY AN EXTRA ELEVEN TO FOURTEEN CENTS TO STOP MY FELLOW CITIZENS FROM DYING OF EASILY PREVENTABLE DISEASES.

Because I'm not a farking sociopath.


Amazing how little they think of their own employees. You are so disposable that we are going to whine to the public that giving you health care is going to raise the price of pizza up slightly over a dime and I am sure everyone will be on our side in outrage.

But then again, there was that story a couple of years ago how Florida wanted to raise certain luxury taxes in order to help low income children get a free school meal, probably the only meal they would be getting that day. The result of which would raise the cost of an average eating out meal four cents. And people were up in arms over that.

Okay, most of the people who were whining over that were seniors. And seniors some of the most, "GIMME GIMME GIMME, NOW GO AWAY, I WON'T SHARE!" selfish brats on the planet. But still.
 
2012-08-07 06:16:54 PM
NTM if jackasses like this would have provided their low wage workers with some insurance in the first place, there would be no need for "Obamacare".


Farking piece of shiat greedy motherfuka.

Papa Johns, never again, enjoy your endorsement Mittens.
 
2012-08-07 06:17:36 PM
I'd rather sniff Rosie O'Donnell's buttcrack than to eat a Papa John's pizza.
 
2012-08-07 06:18:03 PM
But if less people order pizza, then less people will need healthcare. IT'S LIKE THROWING MONEY AWAY!

The GOP plan is better: repeal healthcare laws -> the poor get more cheap pizza -> the poor die early due to untreated health problems brought on by cheap pizza -> less burden on social security and medicare -> balanced budget!

Aside from the evil, it is perfect!
 
2012-08-07 06:18:08 PM
So the price of pizza goes up by $.10 per pizza across the board, because I'm assuming they were using the most pessimistic numbers possible. If I ordered Papa John's every day for a year, that would be a grand total of $5 more for my yearly pizza intake.

I can now see what the right means when they say Obamacare is fascism. Everyone knows the general game plan for a power hungry dictator is 1) raise the price of pizza my a miniscule amount, then 2) concentration camps.
 
2012-08-07 06:19:15 PM

what_now: propasaurus: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza..."

Well, you're full of shiat, but ok, I'll bite:

I WOULD PAY AN EXTRA ELEVEN TO FOURTEEN CENTS TO STOP MY FELLOW CITIZENS FROM DYING OF EASILY PREVENTABLE DISEASES.

Because I'm not a farking sociopath.


Even if you're a self absorbed sociopath totally oblivious or unsympathetic to anyone's struggles but your own, I think it would be worth an extra .10 cents a pizza to ensure that your insurer can never drop you for convenient "pre-existing conditions".
 
2012-08-07 06:19:57 PM

Bill Murray said I was weird: since I have Little Caeser's if I want a decent pizza immediately for $5


Does "decent pizza" mean intestinal cramps in your language?
 
2012-08-07 06:20:53 PM

Sgt Otter: I'm wondering if they factored in the increased productivity, due to less people taking less sick days due to increased access to preventative / early treatment, in their numbers.


For such conditions as allergies and headaches, on-the-job productivity losses could account for over 80 percent of employers' total illness costs, the Cornell and Medstat researchers report in the first study to add the cost of on-the-job productivity losses from common health problems to total employer health-related expenses.
"All in all, this means that from about one-fifth to three-fifths of the total dollars attributable to common health conditions faced by employers appear to be the result of on-the-job productivity losses," says Ron Goetzel, director of IHPS. He notes that headaches, allergies, arthritis, asthma and mental health-related problems such as depression incur the greatest on-the-job productivity losses.

"In this day and age where employers are hesitant to hire because of skyrocketing medical care costs, it's important to broaden the view of health costs beyond the cost of patient care," Goetzel says. "If a company's health plan is poor, for example, disorders may not be well managed. Workers will come to work and not be as productive. Employers need to weigh the costs of good medical care against the potential for on-the-job productivity losses, which we see are substantial in many cases."

Source.

Schnatter is lying to you. His actuaries have already shown him a profit increase as a result of boosted productivity gains from healthy workers. A shrewd man to spin a gain as a loss and increase his prices, further padding his bottom line and advancing his ideology at the same time.
 
2012-08-07 06:21:03 PM
First CFA now Papa Johns; the good news is that I should start to loose a lot of weight by not purchasing from these idiots.
 
2012-08-07 06:21:26 PM
I knew this thread would be full of foodies who hate pizza from chains for no other reason than it's from a chain. And that they would put pizza in quotes and call it cardboard and parrot other worn-out phrases. I only had to read the first ten posts or so to confirm my suspicions.
 
2012-08-07 06:21:39 PM
It's probably already been said, but if you have Papa John's for every meal, every day, it will cost an extra $120.45 (at 11 cents). If that pays for one of their employees to be covered by insurance, then I'm okay with that.
 
2012-08-07 06:22:12 PM
I don't care if it's an additional $10 per pizza and $15 per six pack of Miller Lite.

It's all worth it if I understand the Affordable Care Act correctly.
 
2012-08-07 06:22:13 PM
My best estimate is that Papa Johns inflicted singring and dysentery costs taxpayers $.20 per pie in unpaid healthcare costs.

In any event, what a whiny cockpotato.
 
2012-08-07 06:22:31 PM
My husband worked as a general manager for them when we were first married. They pay crap. The general managers were the only ones available for any kind of benefits, and the cost was outrageous.
 
2012-08-07 06:23:00 PM

mekki: But then again, there was that story a couple of years ago how Florida wanted to raise certain luxury taxes in order to help low income children get a free school meal, probably the only meal they would be getting that day. The result of which would raise the cost of an average eating out meal four cents. And people were up in arms over that.


Yes, gotta love Florida. They have retired baby boomers relocating there by the boatloads, but they'll have no one there to change their Depends Undergarments or provide their sponge baths after they've run off everyone under the age of 60 and/or refused to pay for the education or training of what few that remain.
 
2012-08-07 06:23:38 PM
so how do i know these prices are going up because of obamacare and not because of the drought which everyone is saying is going to raise food prices by 10-15cents? would papa johns be using the drought against obamacare?
 
2012-08-07 06:24:27 PM
"Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza, or 15 to 20 cents per order from a corporate basis," Schnatter said.

*yawn*
 
2012-08-07 06:25:05 PM
Can someone explain to me if a reason exist as to why they feel the need to raise prices beyond "OMG OBAMACARE IS BAD!1!" After all a corporation the size of Papa Johns needs to provide healthcare anyway so why does it matter?
 
2012-08-07 06:25:40 PM
FARK THEM AND THEIR SHATTY PIZZA
 
2012-08-07 06:25:49 PM
So I'm not clear, will Obamacare cost jobs or will the costs be passed on to the consumer?

Considering the people involved I'm going to guess both. Anything to pad the bottom line.
 
2012-08-07 06:25:50 PM
Papa John's will cost more because of "Obamacare" the rising price of gas.

Fixed for the founder of Papa John's

/gas is about $4.50/gal here.
//yikes!
 
2012-08-07 06:26:29 PM

Nabb1: what_now: Why the hell would you eat pizza in New Orleans? That's like going to Italy and eating Chinese food.

We're not visiting New Orleans. We live here. I'm positive Italians don't eat Italian food every night, either.

Also, there is a huge Italian-American community here. Mostly of Sicilian descent, I believe, given all the St. Joseph's Day observances.


NOLA native here. Creole and Cajun are obviously huge here, but don't discount the many other flavors here. you can easily get some killer Italian, Jamaican, Caribbean, and Vietnamese food there.


/now I'm craving grilled oysters from Dragos
//nomnomnom
 
2012-08-07 06:27:01 PM

theknuckler_33: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza, or 15 to 20 cents per order from a corporate basis," Schnatter said.

*yawn*


Why should I believe he's any better at making estimates than he is at making pizza?
 
2012-08-07 06:27:58 PM
I'd be amazed if the price only goes up that little. Expenses go up --- prices go up.

Did you guys think that there would be no downside to providing everyone with health care? Of course we're all going to have to pay more for things and pay more in taxes.

Anyone else got a Marcos delivery pizza? They just moved into my neck of the woods and so far I think they are the best major chain delivery pizza I've had.
 
2012-08-07 06:27:58 PM

RexTalionis: I, as a consumer, have 2 options, Papa John.

1) I'd gladly pay the dime or two it takes for you to give your employees healthcare or
2) I'll take my business elsewhere and hope you go out of business.


Well, I've made MY decision.
/Has nothing to do with the taste of their pizza, or their prices.
 
2012-08-07 06:28:12 PM

Elmo Jones: So? That crappy "pizza" could cost $20 more, and I wouldn't give a hoot in hell.

"Papa John" sets off my creep-o-meter, which is rarely wrong.


I know a guy who met John Schnatter, and you're not wrong. So Papa John's is sponsoring something or another, and he shows up at their office to meet with some executives, see how everything is going. He goes through every department and says hello, hands out some gift cards. He also changes into a new tailored shirt at predetermined locations throughout the building so as to minimize sweat stains. Over the course of the tour he changed shirts four or five times, which means there are four or five people with him at all times (hiding in stairwells, riding the elevator up and down, etc.) whose sole purpose is to make sure Schnatter can stealthily change out of his clothes.

He also said that the vibe Schnatter gave off was similar to the Girls Gone Wild guy.
 
2012-08-07 06:28:56 PM

farkityfarker: I knew this thread would be full of foodies who hate pizza from chains for no other reason than it's from a chain. And that they would put pizza in quotes and call it cardboard and parrot other worn-out phrases. I only had to read the first ten posts or so to confirm my suspicions.


Pfft. You don't have to be a "foodie" to hate Papa John's. It is asstastic. Badly made, nasty sauce, awful crust and way overpriced.
 
2012-08-07 06:29:02 PM
I'm a huge fan of Obamacare, and it's perfectly fine with me if people make the true cost of the changes known. If it costs Papa John's an extra 15 cents per pizza to comply with Obamacare, I think we should know that as consumers and taxpayers. Where Papa John goes wrong is in assuming we'll clutch our pearls and go faint because 15 cents per pizza is simply too much to pay to help people working minimum wage jobs afford health insurance. This thread has shown, fortunately, most of us are more compassionate than that (more compassionate than a prominent Republican CEO? Bet you didn't see that coming!). Besides, even if you remove the compassion for fellow human angle, making preventive health care affordable to as many people as possible is a good idea that will pay off in the long run.
 
2012-08-07 06:29:15 PM
I wonder how much his pizza prices increased to help fund the fight against ACA?
 
2012-08-07 06:29:26 PM
Haven't read the thread, hope someone beat me to it, but...

I won't buy your pizza anyway, you narc-supporting dicks.
 
2012-08-07 06:29:33 PM
I have no problem buying a product made by happy workers who are not getting shafted. Far less spittle in the sauce that way.
 
2012-08-07 06:29:39 PM
www.diamond-jim.com

Look at it.
LOOK AT IT!
LOOK AT IT!!!

TODAY IT'S 11 CENTS, TOMORROW IT'S YOUR GUNS, AND LATER SHARIA LAW!!! THIS IS FOLLOWED BE GAY COMMUNIST HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE!!!

SCREW YOU OBAMA!

/How'd I do? Enough anger?
 
2012-08-07 06:29:39 PM
Another CEO that expects unrealistic profits.
 
2012-08-07 06:30:30 PM
Are you threatening me?

Michael Bluth John Shartsplatter is threatening me.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-07 06:32:53 PM

Sgt Otter: I'm wondering if they factored in the increased productivity, due to less people taking less sick days due to increased access to preventative / early treatment, in their numbers.


Naaaaaah.
 
2012-08-07 06:35:50 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Oh noes! Now I'll have to pay more money for a pizza that I never buy!


This.

Grimaldi's FTW.
 
2012-08-07 06:35:56 PM

RexTalionis: I, as a consumer, have 2 options, Papa John.

1) I'd gladly pay the dime or two it takes for you to give your employees healthcare or
2) I'll take my business elsewhere and hope you go out of business.


And yet anywhere you choose to go you'll be paying more for your food because of the HCB. That includes the grocery store where they'll have to raise prices to cover the cost of it too.

Did you people really think a herd of unicorns was going to drop money out of the sky to pay for your healthcare?
 
2012-08-07 06:36:20 PM

violentsalvation: I don't care, your pizza sucks. Big Papa, the question I want to know is, just where do you stand on homosexschule marrrrge?



Nobody cares what your stance is, but if he uses profits to fund hate groups that's where people have a problem with it.

/I know you want to frame the debate only about what your ideas are because you know you have no real arguments
 
2012-08-07 06:36:23 PM
So Papa John, a supporter of Romney, does not support the healthcare model that was originally implemented by Mitt Romney.

Yep, sounds about right.
 
2012-08-07 06:37:00 PM
Of all the things that the ACA could cause to happen, this is THE. WORST. POSSIBLE. THING.
 
2012-08-07 06:37:21 PM

CujoQuarrel: Did you guys think that there would be no downside to providing everyone with health care? Of course we're all going to have to pay more for things and pay more in taxes.


Do you honestly think you're not paying for it now when uninsured go to the ER as last line of resort healthcare?

Sorry, St. Ronald Free Market Reagan signed into law the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act in 1986 saying hospitals can't practice "patient dumping" and that the poor can't just be turned out in the street to die. As such, the only question left is what is the most efficient and cost effective way to handle that, and the previous system sure as flying fark wasn't it.
 
2012-08-07 06:37:36 PM
i234.photobucket.com

11 cents more to provide healthcare for Americans? No problem.

Real American companies will probably just pick up the tab for consumers ... but only the good ones.
 
2012-08-07 06:37:59 PM
Papa John always looks like he has to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2012-08-07 06:38:19 PM
wow 11 to 14 cents per pizza? why haven't you given them healthcare already tight ass? jesus that's like 1/10th the price of one farking topping.
 
2012-08-07 06:38:20 PM
I'm more pissed at the fact that 11 cents per pizza was all that was keeping these chucklefarks that run papa john's from being a responsible employer and taking care of their employees.

/but but shareholders!
 
2012-08-07 06:38:41 PM

farkityfarker: full of foodies who hate pizza from chains for no other reason than it's from a chain.



So you're disingenuous in your arguments even about food, not just politics. Well at least you're consistently derpy
 
2012-08-07 06:39:01 PM
I live in Louisville. Home of Papa John's and the same town John S lives in too. I know he's a big supporter of Southeast Christian Church which is one of the ten biggest megachurches in the country. He also bought a bunch of land and landmarks in one of the fancier parts of town (Anchorage) so he could ensure his house was in a "good" neighborhood.

That church is nuts. They're non-denominational so they can make their own doctrine but it is so big they've actually opened up satellite churches in the surrounding area in addition to the big giant complex you see as you're driving down I-64. You never really hear about them doing anything that could actually be said to help the community or anything either. The only time I've heard of that church getting into the public arena was putting up all kinds of anti-gay billboards around here and you'd see all kinds of yard signs and bumper stickers saying how bad the ghey sex is. That was more than enough to turn me off to them when I fist moved here. What sucks is that while the price of pizza might go up by a whole quarter (gasp!) to provide health care for his workers, I have read in the local paper about how John S tithes to his church which means that of that $11 million he made last year, he got a tax write off over $1 million to help fund stuff like that.
 
2012-08-07 06:40:05 PM

abb3w: kronicfeld: Cost of pizza goes up
Cost of health insurance goes down
Can't explain that

Given the grease content of a Papa John's pizza, it seems pretty self-explanatory.


Try the grease content of a Pizza Hut pizza. After one of those, you'll think a Papa John's pizza is health food.
 
2012-08-07 06:40:16 PM

RexTalionis: I, as a consumer, have 2 options, Papa John.

1) I'd gladly pay the dime or two it takes for you to give your employees healthcare or
2) I'll take my business elsewhere and hope you go out of business.


Done in one.

Really, really tired of scare tactics and class warfare from these assholes.
 
2012-08-07 06:41:31 PM

CujoQuarrel: Of course we're all going to have to pay more for things and pay more in taxes.



Except you already are paying a large amount not only in taxes that go to hospitals forced to treat uninsured, but in your insurance that ends up having to cover some of the cost.

So no, prices aren't automatically going up. The tax break offsets all cover any rising costs anyway. If all they could do with the scare tactics was say 11 cents then they have no real argument.
 
2012-08-07 06:42:01 PM

Brubold: RexTalionis: I, as a consumer, have 2 options, Papa John.

1) I'd gladly pay the dime or two it takes for you to give your employees healthcare or
2) I'll take my business elsewhere and hope you go out of business.

And yet anywhere you choose to go you'll be paying more for your food because of the HCB. That includes the grocery store where they'll have to raise prices to cover the cost of it too.




I am perfectly OK with this. $.11 cents per pizza and the guy bringing it to me now gets health insurance? It's a deal.
 
2012-08-07 06:42:40 PM

intelligent comment below: violentsalvation: I don't care, your pizza sucks. Big Papa, the question I want to know is, just where do you stand on homosexschule marrrrge?


Nobody cares what your stance is, but if he uses profits to fund hate groups that's where people have a problem with it.

/I know you want to frame the debate only about what your ideas are because you know you have no real arguments


I was joking around, I do it often. Also, I could be wrong, but it looks like he was donating to a group that helps gays who are seeking public office, not that that matters to you. I know you misunderstand things a lot, and that's OK.
 
2012-08-07 06:43:53 PM
Crappy pizza I never eat is going up by 11 cents. ok.
 
2012-08-07 06:44:44 PM

NuttierThanEver: Papa John's = Derptard
Dominoes = founded by a prolife fundie nutjob
Godfather's = formerly run by Derptard
Pizza Hut = I don't know but they are the worst out of all the chains out there.

Make's me glad out of all the Pizza chains I could have worked for in college I wound up at Little Caesar's. Mr. Illitch by all reports is a nice guy, the family seems to be liberal but for the most part avoids talking about politics and he owns the Red Wings (my favorite team) and is trying to spend enough this year to get the Tigers into another World Series.



I worked for Dominoes and Pizza Hut in college.I even worked at a crappy Pizza Hut and we still made our dough fresh every day and gets fresh vegetable shipments every day. Dominoes ... not so much.
 
2012-08-07 06:44:50 PM
Well, I guess I bought my last Papa John's pizza, EVER.
 
2012-08-07 06:46:04 PM

jst3p: Brubold: RexTalionis: I, as a consumer, have 2 options, Papa John.

1) I'd gladly pay the dime or two it takes for you to give your employees healthcare or
2) I'll take my business elsewhere and hope you go out of business.

And yet anywhere you choose to go you'll be paying more for your food because of the HCB. That includes the grocery store where they'll have to raise prices to cover the cost of it too.

I am perfectly OK with this. $.11 cents per pizza and the guy bringing it to me now gets health insurance? It's a deal.


They should offer that deal now. Your total is $17.46, however if you'd like everyone handling your pizza to be disease free the total will be $17.57. Would you like to spend the extra 11 cents?
 
2012-08-07 06:46:04 PM

FloydA: Happy Hours:

Yeah, there's one great pizza place where I live but I can never remember the name and their prices are about 50% more than the major name brands and you only get one pizza for that price, not two. If you don't want cardboard pizza you gotta pay non-cardboard prices.

Yep. Fast, Good and Cheap: pick any two.


Or all three if we're talking about your mom.

/got nothin'
//i'll show myself out
 
2012-08-07 06:46:15 PM
I'm glad I live in such a progressive society where the health of it's citizens is paramount to 15 cents on a farking pizza.

I hate America, and Americans. Yes, I did gtfo.
 
2012-08-07 06:46:43 PM
Well, Papa John's just lost my business. Doesn't want to provide healthcare for his employees. Alright... then I won't buy any of your pizza.

Now it's time to go spread the word about how little they care about their employees.
 
2012-08-07 06:47:01 PM
oh boofarking hoo, oh no! i have to pay a few extra bucks for some shiatty pizza.... thank god i can go see the doctor to get the shiats taken care of that it will cause.
 
2012-08-07 06:47:07 PM
I'll go ahead and cover the difference for the first 2,000ish pizzas from the change bucket in my closet upstairs.
 
2012-08-07 06:47:18 PM

meteorite: I live in Louisville. Home of Papa John's and the same town John S lives in too. I know he's a big supporter of Southeast Christian Church which is one of the ten biggest megachurches in the country. He also bought a bunch of land and landmarks in one of the fancier parts of town (Anchorage) so he could ensure his house was in a "good" neighborhood.

That church is nuts. They're non-denominational so they can make their own doctrine but it is so big they've actually opened up satellite churches in the surrounding area in addition to the big giant complex you see as you're driving down I-64. You never really hear about them doing anything that could actually be said to help the community or anything either. The only time I've heard of that church getting into the public arena was putting up all kinds of anti-gay billboards around here and you'd see all kinds of yard signs and bumper stickers saying how bad the ghey sex is. That was more than enough to turn me off to them when I fist moved here. What sucks is that while the price of pizza might go up by a whole quarter (gasp!) to provide health care for his workers, I have read in the local paper about how John S tithes to his church which means that of that $11 million he made last year, he got a tax write off over $1 million to help fund stuff like that.


I bought a softball shirt at Goodwill in Greenwood, IN, in 1996 that says "Southeast Christian - Louisville Kentucky" in baseballish script. More than once people have expressed elation that I'm wearing the shirt. I tell them that I bought it at Goodwill. Their reaction is rarely positive.

It's cool to finally know more about said church. I rarely sport the ironic Ts anymore seeing that I'm 36 so it's buried in a drawer. Knowing that it's anti-gay makes the wearing even more ironic.
 
2012-08-07 06:47:28 PM
DadBoner is going to be pissed.
 
2012-08-07 06:47:42 PM

magusdevil: jst3p: Brubold: RexTalionis: I, as a consumer, have 2 options, Papa John.

1) I'd gladly pay the dime or two it takes for you to give your employees healthcare or
2) I'll take my business elsewhere and hope you go out of business.

And yet anywhere you choose to go you'll be paying more for your food because of the HCB. That includes the grocery store where they'll have to raise prices to cover the cost of it too.

I am perfectly OK with this. $.11 cents per pizza and the guy bringing it to me now gets health insurance? It's a deal.

They should offer that deal now. Your total is $17.46, however if you'd like everyone handling your pizza to be disease free the total will be $17.57. Would you like to spend the extra 11 cents?




"Sorry about the herpes, next time spring for the protection plan."
 
2012-08-07 06:47:54 PM

violentsalvation: I know you misunderstand things a lot, and that's OK.



Yes of course, the Limbaugh "I was just joking" defense

Then the insult my intelligence tactic

Bravo
 
2012-08-07 06:48:17 PM

Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes.


Everyone hates big-name delivery pizza until you're ordering some.
 
2012-08-07 06:48:38 PM
There are something like 66,000 pizza shops in America. And, there are 3 billion pizzas sold per year from pizza parlors.. That averages out to 45,454 per store.

Papa Johns has 3000 US locations and sells 136,363,636 per year. At 14 cents a pizza, that means Obamacare is going to cost Papa Johns $19,090,909.

Their revenue for 2010 was $1.13 billion. So, I'm guessing increased health care costs are going to cost them 1.7% of their revenue?
 
2012-08-07 06:48:41 PM

intelligent comment below: violentsalvation: I don't care, your pizza sucks. Big Papa, the question I want to know is, just where do you stand on homosexschule marrrrge?


Nobody cares what your stance is, but if he uses profits to fund hate groups that's where people have a problem with it.

/I know you want to frame the debate only about what your ideas are because you know you have no real arguments


Is it a wide stance?

/no, really, I'll show myself out now
//really
 
2012-08-07 06:49:42 PM
In fairness, it sounds like this occurred during a shareholder call and he was passing it off as a GOOD thing - i.e. that business wouldn't be adversely affected.

Hell, if an extra dime on a pizza means that your employees can get better health care coverage, I don't see how any non-derper doesn't call that an amazing bargain.
 
2012-08-07 06:50:58 PM

Elmo Jones: So? That crappy "pizza" could cost $20 more, and I wouldn't give a hoot in hell.

"Papa John" sets off my creep-o-meter, which is rarely wrong.


Why, you didn't like the commercial of him showing up at a house with pizza and partying with a bunch of high school aged kids?

/their pizza is tasteless crap
 
2012-08-07 06:51:09 PM
"We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry."

i.e. "We like the system the way it currently is where we can pay our employees close to minimum wage and let the taxpayers pick up their health care costs."
 
2012-08-07 06:51:11 PM
My guess is the rise in the cost of beef and cheese next year due to the drought will make the $.11 increase due to health care disappear in the noise. Knowing the corporate philosophy here other than minimum wage laws cut the salary of your workers by an equivalent amount that the health care costs or better yet take a small pay yourself and some of the others in the corporate suite you cheap fark.
 
2012-08-07 06:51:16 PM
I don't buy fast food pizza often. Thanks, "papa" John Schlatter, for making my choice that much easier for me. 11 cents per pizza ($306.2 million in revenues 4Q 2011) so that your already minimum wage employees can have a minimal level health care, and still you b*tch? Pizza is a luxury food, and you've just given me a good reason not to choose yours.

F*ck you papa John. And f*ck your pizza too.
/and that Rmoney cock you're sucking
 
2012-08-07 06:51:53 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: violentsalvation: I don't care, your pizza sucks. Big Papa, the question I want to know is, just where do you stand on homosexschule marrrrge?

http://www.newsmeat.com/ceo_political_donations/John_Schnatter.php

Well, he is a subscriber to the old boys club. I'm guessing publicly against; privately doesn't care

sucks dick.

FTFY
 
2012-08-07 06:52:42 PM
I miss Gatti's. They were the best. I know they're still around but they shut down every location near me.
 
2012-08-07 06:52:46 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: John H. Schnatter
Founder, Chairman and Co-Chief Executive Officer

TotalCompensation $2,614,516
Data for fiscal year ended in 2011


Only 2500 bux? You cheap simpleton. It takes a BOAT load more than 2500 bux to get on Willard Mittwit Romney's radar

Opensecrets.org - 38,000 to the RNC and 2500 to Romney
 
2012-08-07 06:53:07 PM

jayhawk88: Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes.

Everyone hates big-name delivery pizza until you're ordering some.


I suppose, but there's always the place that delivers for 25-50% more that tastes significantly better, or at least there is here and I'm not even in the city. So I spend $20 instead of $13, and enjoy it more. I suppose if I was broke it would matter, but if I was broke then I probably wouldn't have health care.
 
2012-08-07 06:54:38 PM

intelligent comment below: violentsalvation: I know you misunderstand things a lot, and that's OK.


Yes of course, the Limbaugh "I was just joking" defense

Then the insult my intelligence tactic

Bravo


I'm not insulting your lack of intelligence, I actually pity you.
 
2012-08-07 06:54:55 PM
Additionally... apparently he doesn't realize that taking a political position as a business... means you just alienated at least half if not more of your customers. It's just stupid...
 
2012-08-07 06:55:46 PM
According to my brilliant economic analysis, Mr. Papa is saying that Obamacare is tantamount to an excise tax. That being the case, quantity supplied will decrease.


ingrimayne.com

I think we're missing the important part here...Thanks to Obamacare, there will be less shiatty Papa Johns pizza in the world. That's worth the mandate and then some.
 
2012-08-07 06:56:07 PM

cameroncrazy1984: kronicfeld: I miss Little Caesar's.

We still have them around here. There's one 10 minutes from my house. I'll pick up a $5 Hot-N-Ready every now and then. One time I got there five minutes before close and they gave me 2-for-1.


The HotnReadys are great. If you ever get a chance, if you go in there and they happen to be out of the one you want, but have to wait a few minutes, ask them not to cut it. Go and jazz it up with spinach, fresh boom booms and more cheese, go wild, they get even better.
 
2012-08-07 06:56:54 PM
He can't sell his '71 Camaro to pay for employee health insurance?
 
2012-08-07 06:57:06 PM

mekki: Okay, most of the people who were whining over that were seniors. And seniors some of the most, "GIMME GIMME GIMME, NOW GO AWAY, I WON'T SHARE!" selfish brats on the planet. But still.


I don't know if it's inflation, and their minds were formed back when 10 cents was a big deal or what, but man do I know some 70+ year-olds that are cheap as hell.
 
2012-08-07 06:58:23 PM
OMIGOD, if you weren't aware of the awkwardness that is Romney check out this video for Mitt Romney at Papa John's house.

"What a home this is, what grounds these are, the pool, the golf course," he said. "You know, if a Democrat were here he'd look around and say no one should live like this. Republicans come here and say EVERYONE should live like this. This is a real tribute to America, to entrepreneurship."

The part where he yucks it up with a coal scion as "just a coal miner amirite!?" is classic Romney.

He's like the snobby, rich guy from an 80s movie. I half expect Rodney Dangerfield to walk in and start cutting on his blazer.
 
2012-08-07 06:58:29 PM

farkityfarker: I knew this thread would be full of foodies who hate pizza from chains for no other reason than it's from a chain


It's called confirmation bias. It means you're stupid.
 
2012-08-07 06:58:40 PM
Price increase of 11 cents on my pizza so some lazy pizza slinger can have free healthcare? Papa Johns, tastes like socialism.

/iratroll
 
2012-08-07 06:58:42 PM
Or, he could have said something like:

"Due to increasingly high costs we have been unable to offer health insurance to many of our employees, forcing them to either budget a significant portion of their earnings on health care or do without. However, with the Affordable Care Act, we are now able to provide health service plans to ALL of our employees at a resonable cost. The immediate impact of implementing these plans for our estimated XX thousand of employees is expected to range between 10 and 20 cents per pizza. We feel this is very manageable, and though you may see a slight increase in our prices at some point in the future, we are grateful that our employees will have greater access to health care."
 
2012-08-07 06:59:43 PM

gunga galunga: I miss Gatti's. They were the best. I know they're still around but they shut down every location near me.


Miss Gatti's? When I was a kid I used to go to a place called Mr. Gatti's... or something like that. Anyway, fantastic deep dish from what I remember, but I have no idea how they are now.

I used to like Papa John's, back in the late 80's when they were actually still focused on their ingredients rather than just having a slogan about it. And you could get a large two topping for something like $6, which I'm sure my parents appreciated.
 
2012-08-07 06:59:47 PM
Will the pizza prices not have gone up that much anyway by 2014? Seems like people probably wouldn't notice an extra quarter...that is, if they are going to Papa Johns in the first place. The only thing I ever liked about that place was the garlic butter sauce. If you live in a town where Papa Johns is the best pizza, you need to move.
 
2012-08-07 07:00:03 PM

Le Bomb Suprize: "Due to increasingly high costs we have been unable to offer health insurance to many of our employees, forcing them to either budget a significant portion of their earnings on health care or do without. However, with the Affordable Care Act, we are now able to provide health service plans to ALL of our employees at a resonable cost. The immediate impact of implementing these plans for our estimated XX thousand of employees is expected to range between 10 and 20 cents per pizza. We feel this is very manageable, and though you may see a slight increase in our prices at some point in the future, we are grateful that our employees will have greater access to health care."


I'm sure a massive Mitt Romney supporter would be reasonable instead of doom, gloom, shiat and scary words.
 
2012-08-07 07:01:43 PM
You know instead of carping about this as a negative how about you turn it into a positive.
We Insure our employee's because a healthy employee makes a better pizza.

/na who am I kidding they'll fight it until their last breath.
 
2012-08-07 07:01:59 PM

Le Bomb Suprize: Or, he could have said something like:

"Due to increasingly high costs we have been unable to offer health insurance to many of our employees, forcing them to either budget a significant portion of their earnings on health care or do without. However, with the Affordable Care Act, we are now able to provide health service plans to ALL of our employees at a resonable cost. The immediate impact of implementing these plans for our estimated XX thousand of employees is expected to range between 10 and 20 cents per pizza. We feel this is very manageable, and though you may see a slight increase in our prices at some point in the future, we are grateful that our employees will have greater access to health care."


Damn, that would have been nice. Well put. I'm not sure it would have given me cause to buy his pizza, but I'd have respected the man a hell of a lot more.
 
2012-08-07 07:02:37 PM

JohnnyC: Additionally... apparently he doesn't realize that taking a political position as a business... means you just alienated at least half if not more of your customers. It's just stupid...


Papa Johns started in the river valley between Louisville and bumfark Indiana. I think they need to be more worried about half of their consumer base having enough teeth to each pizza, let alone having enough fancy dan book learnin' to become Liebruhls.
 
2012-08-07 07:03:15 PM

CavalierEternal: He can't sell his '71 Camaro to pay for employee health insurance?


Cheaper health insurance is all well and good, but let's not get out of hand here.
 
2012-08-07 07:03:37 PM

CujoQuarrel: I'd be amazed if the price only goes up that little. Expenses go up --- prices go up.

Did you guys think that there would be no downside to providing everyone with health care?


You're only amazed because you're ignorant.

topforeignstocks.com
 
2012-08-07 07:05:31 PM

KyngNothing: Papa John's, rephrased.

We COULD give our employees insurance now, but that would cost us almost $.12 per pizza (I wonder what ingredient that compares to...), and our employees just AREN'T worth that much to us...


THIS^^^^

Starbucks offer full healthcare to their workers, even the part-timers. And a cup of coffee makes much less revenue than a whole pizza pie.
 
2012-08-07 07:05:32 PM

sparkeyjames: We Insure our employee's because a healthy employee makes a better pizza.


Psh, give me a break. The guy making your pizza is likely a high school dropout who smokes cigarettes and marijuana, doesn't wash his hands out of the bathroom, and is probably carrying around more than a couple different STDs in his crusty, unwashed nether regions. Health insurance don't fix minimum wage lifestyles.
 
2012-08-07 07:06:15 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

/one less crappy pizza chain is fine with me


Pizza joints are a good area to go local in. Almost invariably, I find a local one-location or city-only pizza place will have better pizza than any of the national chains.
 
2012-08-07 07:06:57 PM

Brubold: And yet anywhere you choose to go you'll be paying more for your food because of the HCB.


On my! 10 cents for every 10 dollars!

But this means I can't get denied coverage because of preexisting conditions?

Who the fark cares.
 
2012-08-07 07:06:58 PM

Shaggy_C: sparkeyjames: We Insure our employee's because a healthy employee makes a better pizza.

Psh, give me a break. The guy making your pizza is likely a high school dropout who smokes cigarettes and marijuana, doesn't wash his hands out of the bathroom, and is probably carrying around more than a couple different STDs in his crusty, unwashed nether regions. Health insurance don't fix minimum wage lifestyles.


You speak from personal experience?
 
2012-08-07 07:07:00 PM
free isn't cheap enough to get me to eat that crap.
 
2012-08-07 07:07:43 PM

Shaggy_C: JohnnyC: Additionally... apparently he doesn't realize that taking a political position as a business... means you just alienated at least half if not more of your customers. It's just stupid...

Papa Johns started in the river valley between Louisville and bumfark Indiana. I think they need to be more worried about half of their consumer base having enough teeth to each pizza, let alone having enough fancy dan book learnin' to become Liebruhls.


Eh... at this point... I don't really care where he started out. He won't be getting any of my business.
 
2012-08-07 07:08:07 PM

Pincy: "We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry."

i.e. "We like the system the way it currently is where we can pay our employees close to minimum wage and let the taxpayers pick up their health care costs."


To be fair, why does health insurance have to come from employers? The system is kinda stupid in this respect.
 
2012-08-07 07:08:22 PM
Good, we'll consider it a stupid tax.
 
2012-08-07 07:09:10 PM

RexTalionis: I, as a consumer, have 2 options, Papa John.

1) I'd gladly pay the dime or two it takes for you to give your employees healthcare or
2) I'll take my business elsewhere and hope you go out of business.


Yeah, those were my two thoughts. Then I read this:

"If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed.

So here we have ANOTHER douchebag CEO using his business, profits and employees to protect his political interests. Does he really think his SHAREHOLDERS best interests are advanced by making sure everyone starts avoiding his crappy pizzas? Do they? Or is he hoping for a Chik-fil-a style backlash whereby people will start buying up icky pizzas to support his "free speech rights"?
 
2012-08-07 07:09:22 PM

X-boxershorts: Shaggy_C: sparkeyjames: We Insure our employee's because a healthy employee makes a better pizza.

Psh, give me a break. The guy making your pizza is likely a high school dropout who smokes cigarettes and marijuana, doesn't wash his hands out of the bathroom, and is probably carrying around more than a couple different STDs in his crusty, unwashed nether regions. Health insurance don't fix minimum wage lifestyles.

You speak from personal experience?


I'd say he's speaking from a position of prejudice, not experience.
 
2012-08-07 07:10:37 PM

Rapmaster2000: OMIGOD, if you weren't aware of the awkwardness that is Romney check out this video for Mitt Romney at Papa John's house.

"What a home this is, what grounds these are, the pool, the golf course," he said. "You know, if a Democrat were here he'd look around and say no one should live like this. Republicans come here and say EVERYONE should live like this. This is a real tribute to America, to entrepreneurship."

The part where he yucks it up with a coal scion as "just a coal miner amirite!?" is classic Romney.

He's like the snobby, rich guy from an 80s movie. I half expect Rodney Dangerfield to walk in and start cutting on his blazer.


yeah they're in a world of their own oblivious to the people they hurt with their selfishness.
 
2012-08-07 07:10:43 PM

impaler: CujoQuarrel: I'd be amazed if the price only goes up that little. Expenses go up --- prices go up.

Did you guys think that there would be no downside to providing everyone with health care?

You're only amazed because you're ignorant.
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the OECD really went to shiat when they let in estonia, mexico, turkey, slovenia and chile.

it's like dumping a box of hammers into the barrel of tomatoes you were trying to compare.
 
2012-08-07 07:10:51 PM
I order pizza at most twice a month. So let's assume I order from Papa John's both times. That about an extra $.25 per month from me so people can get health care. The horror.... the horror.

/The fact that they're not already doing this shows an almost unimaginable level of greed
//Just..... wow
 
2012-08-07 07:11:08 PM
Oh well. It's not like they have real (Chicago style) pizza
 
2012-08-07 07:11:10 PM

Gyrfalcon: Or is he hoping for a Chik-fil-a style backlash whereby people will start buying up icky pizzas to support his "free speech rights"?


IF he gets that... it'll last about a week. Until they forget about him when they get outraged about something else.
 
2012-08-07 07:11:38 PM
Why would this be surprising? You raise costs for any industry, they're going to try to pass the costs along to customers.

This nuance is lost to those who think Obamacare is a)free or b) free to anyone but the rich but fark them. To the extent businesses' costs increase, and they will, to some extent, prices will rise and supply will diminish, costing everyone.

The benefit of health care reform might be worth it, but it ain't free. And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer. If its worth it, pay your extra fifteen cents a shiatty pizza and be happy.
 
2012-08-07 07:12:02 PM

jst3p: Pincy: "We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry."

i.e. "We like the system the way it currently is where we can pay our employees close to minimum wage and let the taxpayers pick up their health care costs."

To be fair, why does health insurance have to come from employers? The system is kinda stupid in this respect.


it is the fundamental weakness.
 
2012-08-07 07:12:18 PM

RexTalionis: I, as a consumer, have 2 options, Papa John.

1) I'd gladly pay the dime or two it takes for you to give your employees healthcare or
2) I'll take my business elsewhere and hope you go out of business.


Dammit, now I want pizza from the good local pizza place that's less than a block away from Papa John's.
 
2012-08-07 07:13:00 PM
cheese goes up $1.59 a pizza

"Until there's a price downturn, workers at Constantly Pizza will carefully dole out cheese, and the business will "just strap down and be tough," Constant said."

fartbamacare cost .11 to.14 = OMG LAYZOFFZZZ EVERYBODY
 
2012-08-07 07:13:30 PM

Rapmaster2000: Republicans come here and say EVERYONE should live like this."


No, they don't say that at all or they wouldn't be whining about 15 cents per pizza to provide affordable health insurance. What they say is "my family should live like this. I don't give a shiat how anyone else lives. Unless they're gay, in which case I care very much how they live."
 
2012-08-07 07:15:24 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Why would this be surprising? You raise costs for any industry, they're going to try to pass the costs along to customers.

This nuance is lost to those who think Obamacare is a)free or b) free to anyone but the rich but fark them. To the extent businesses' costs increase, and they will, to some extent, prices will rise and supply will diminish, costing everyone.

The benefit of health care reform might be worth it, but it ain't free. And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer. If its worth it, pay your extra fifteen cents a shiatty pizza and be happy.


Well, congratulations, you've summed up the thread. No one in here is complaining that he's saying pizza will cost more. They're either saying his pizza is shiat and they wouldn't eat it if it were free or they're saying he should go ahead and add the $.14 in and give his people better healthcare. Actually, most are saying both.
 
2012-08-07 07:16:58 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer.


That's what you think he was doing? I say he was whining about having to take care of his employees and making a political statement. Funny thing about free speech... one is free to say anything they want, but they're not free from the consequences that occur from what they said.
 
2012-08-07 07:17:53 PM

jst3p: Pincy: "We're not supportive of Obamacare, like most businesses in our industry."

i.e. "We like the system the way it currently is where we can pay our employees close to minimum wage and let the taxpayers pick up their health care costs."

To be fair, why does health insurance have to come from employers? The system is kinda stupid in this respect.


Couldn't agree more. I can't understand why any employee would want their employer involved in their health care. But I'm assuming Papa John doesn't support UHC either.
 
2012-08-07 07:18:06 PM

X-boxershorts: You speak from personal experience?


Merely pointing out that you shouldn't fark with the people who make your food. You get what you pay for. If you want to get low-quality, cheap shiat made by people who earn next to nothing, you can't really expect that wage slave to really care about you or your health any more than the actual slaves of yesteryear cared about the well-being of their foremen.

It's just like any other job - if you feel overworked and under-appreciated, you're going to perform at a lower level. Personally, I don't want to put food in my mouth made by someone who doesn't take pride in their work and who does not earn a decent living.

Personally, I only eat at family-run or local businesses and typically stick to the higher-end food because I know the revenues directly go back into ensuring a high talent level in the back of the house. And, for many of those people, if they aren't provided healthcare they at least have the means to buy it on their own. Those are the kinds of people I want making my food, not a guy with zero skills who could just as easily be digging ditches and only cares about scrounging a couple bucks. Who has more to lose if they do a poor job? The guy making a career out of dining and hospitality, or the person who will take whatever money they can get?

I swear, you come off like someone who would be shocked - SHOCKED - to learn that people at McDonald's spit in food and that people eating at Taco Bell end up with hepatitis.
 
2012-08-07 07:19:35 PM
If it's only 11-14 cents per pizza, why isn't he ALREADY doing this? I'd HAPPILY pay 14 cents more for a pizza so the delivery boy has insurance!
 
2012-08-07 07:20:00 PM
What a tiny price to pay to know that the guys making and delivering your pizza have adaquate access to healthcare. God Bless Obama. This is exactly the change I was hoping for.
 
2012-08-07 07:20:09 PM
WELL I SURE WOULD LIKE TO MEET THAT ASSHOLE MOOCHER PUNK WHO JACKED UP THE PRICE OF MY BIG MAC BY A NICKEL JUST SO HE COULD GO GET "CANCER SCREENING" OR WHATEVER

/fark it america is dead
 
2012-08-07 07:20:54 PM

Mike Chewbacca: If it's only 11-14 cents per pizza, why isn't he ALREADY doing this? I'd HAPPILY pay 14 cents more for a pizza so the delivery boy has insurance!


absolutely. they could do this and advertise it and it would be great PR and may even help them retain better employees
 
2012-08-07 07:20:58 PM

JohnnyC: That's what you think he was doing? I say he was whining about having to take care of his employees and making a political statement. Funny thing about free speech... one is free to say anything they want, but they're not free from the consequences that occur from what they said.


He also said they would do everything in their power to make the customer pay, and not him and his shareholders.

Mr Burns: "Suck it pleebs! YOU are going to suffer from this! 12 cents a pizza! 12 CENTS! Ha ha ha ha! How is the hopey-changy working out for you now!"
Mr Smithers: "Sir, please don't insult the people the provide our revenue."
 
2012-08-07 07:22:26 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: If its worth it, pay your extra fifteen cents a shiatty pizza and be happy.


That's what pretty much everyone in this thread has said they're more than happy to do. The ones saying they won't patronize Papa Johns are doing so because either they don't care for the pizza there (understandable) or they disagree with the CEOs politics (also understandable).

I haven't seen anyone say the 15 cents per pizza is a deal breaker. You're full of shiat as usual.
 
2012-08-07 07:22:33 PM

Shaggy_C: X-boxershorts: You speak from personal experience?

Merely pointing out that you shouldn't fark with the people who make your food. You get what you pay for. If you want to get low-quality, cheap shiat made by people who earn next to nothing, you can't really expect that wage slave to really care about you or your health any more than the actual slaves of yesteryear cared about the well-being of their foremen.

It's just like any other job - if you feel overworked and under-appreciated, you're going to perform at a lower level. Personally, I don't want to put food in my mouth made by someone who doesn't take pride in their work and who does not earn a decent living.

Personally, I only eat at family-run or local businesses and typically stick to the higher-end food because I know the revenues directly go back into ensuring a high talent level in the back of the house. And, for many of those people, if they aren't provided healthcare they at least have the means to buy it on their own. Those are the kinds of people I want making my food, not a guy with zero skills who could just as easily be digging ditches and only cares about scrounging a couple bucks. Who has more to lose if they do a poor job? The guy making a career out of dining and hospitality, or the person who will take whatever money they can get?

I swear, you come off like someone who would be shocked - SHOCKED - to learn that people at McDonald's spit in food and that people eating at Taco Bell end up with hepatitis.


I'm sure the people at the family run restaurants spit in your food, too. I know I would.
 
2012-08-07 07:22:51 PM
" in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed."

That right there is the biggest problem with America , big business is far to beholden to shareholders.

We need more Main street thinking and less Wall street thinking.

Putting Customers first will in the long run make more of a profit.
 
2012-08-07 07:24:06 PM

Mike Chewbacca: If it's only 11-14 cents per pizza, why isn't he ALREADY doing this? I'd HAPPILY pay 14 cents more for a pizza so the delivery boy has insurance!


Because he must maximize profits for the shareholders. He pretty said exactly this in the article. Right now no one is forcing him to provide health insurance to his employees and he still seems to get people who want to work for him, so why should he? Remember, no matter what Conservatives and their trickle-down theories try to tell you, employers are not in business to provide jobs and benefits for their employees. They are in business to make profits for themselves and their shareholders.
 
2012-08-07 07:24:48 PM

Shaggy_C: X-boxershorts: You speak from personal experience?

Merely pointing out that you shouldn't fark with the people who make your food. You get what you pay for. If you want to get low-quality, cheap shiat made by people who earn next to nothing, you can't really expect that wage slave to really care about you or your health any more than the actual slaves of yesteryear cared about the well-being of their foremen.

It's just like any other job - if you feel overworked and under-appreciated, you're going to perform at a lower level. Personally, I don't want to put food in my mouth made by someone who doesn't take pride in their work and who does not earn a decent living.

Personally, I only eat at family-run or local businesses and typically stick to the higher-end food because I know the revenues directly go back into ensuring a high talent level in the back of the house. And, for many of those people, if they aren't provided healthcare they at least have the means to buy it on their own. Those are the kinds of people I want making my food, not a guy with zero skills who could just as easily be digging ditches and only cares about scrounging a couple bucks. Who has more to lose if they do a poor job? The guy making a career out of dining and hospitality, or the person who will take whatever money they can get?

I swear, you come off like someone who would be shocked - SHOCKED - to learn that people at McDonald's spit in food and that people eating at Taco Bell end up with hepatitis.


My first job was at a McDonalds.
I started at $1.75 an hour.
I never spat in the food, I washed my hands constantly, I gave a damn about the product.

Your follow up is an excellent argument for an increase in the minimum wage or an advocate for a liveable wage.

/get OFF my LAWN!!!
 
2012-08-07 07:24:58 PM

JohnnyC: Debeo Summa Credo: And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer.

That's what you think he was doing? I say he was whining about having to take care of his employees and making a political statement. Funny thing about free speech... one is free to say anything they want, but they're not free from the consequences that occur from what they said.


That's what I got. He's biatching about something he doesn't like...and then trying to coerce the public into supporting him by claiming "Oh! This will cost us so much! We'll have to tack a dime onto the costs of our pizza! HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!!"

Protip, DumboSumma: Everyone already knows costs get passed on to the consumer, and nobody is whining about it. Except this guy. And you.
 
2012-08-07 07:25:08 PM

Shaggy_C: Merely pointing out that you shouldn't fark with the people who make your food.


That's very true. And let me add "tipping" to the mix. If you go to a restaurant often enough to be known to the staff, tip well. Think of it as insurance. The bonus is you'll then become known as "a good tipper" and you'll be treated like royalty.
 
2012-08-07 07:26:26 PM

Hobodeluxe: Mike Chewbacca: If it's only 11-14 cents per pizza, why isn't he ALREADY doing this? I'd HAPPILY pay 14 cents more for a pizza so the delivery boy has insurance!

absolutely. they could do this and advertise it and it would be great PR and may even help them retain better employees


I'm sure their business model and operations are set up so that they require the least skilled employees possible. They probably expect a lot of turnover and so they plan for it. I doubt holding on to valuable employees is really that much of a consideration.
 
2012-08-07 07:27:36 PM
Wow...this turbodouche is complaining about pennies per pizza.

Do you REALLY think that he would raise the price, for example, from $9.00 to $9.27?

And how much MORE do we pay when people don't go to a doctor aside from the emergency room?
 
2012-08-07 07:27:40 PM

lacrossestar83: Oh well. It's not like they have real (Chicago style) pizza


I don't understand this argument - they're two different foods. No reason to compare.

But i have to say after spending several days in Chicago a little while ago I have to say real Chicago-style pizza is pretty awesome.
 
2012-08-07 07:28:12 PM
i spend 6 bucks a day easily on coffee without even thinking about it, but .11 cents per pizza is grape without the g
 
2012-08-07 07:29:37 PM

dericwater: KyngNothing: Papa John's, rephrased.

We COULD give our employees insurance now, but that would cost us almost $.12 per pizza (I wonder what ingredient that compares to...), and our employees just AREN'T worth that much to us...

THIS^^^^

Starbucks offer full healthcare to their workers, even the part-timers. And a cup of coffee makes much less revenue than a whole pizza pie.


There's a few models to viewing labor. One is that labor is strictly a cost and labor cannot make you money. This is why the service at Wal-Mart blows. There's another model which says labor skillfully employed can be a way to make money. This is the Whole Paycheck/Nordstrom model. Papa John's is purely in the former. Make it cheap and they'll come because it's cheap.

I wonder how often Papa John shops at Wal-Mart?
 
2012-08-07 07:29:41 PM
Or vote for Romney and have $2000 less a year to spend on pizza, unless you make so much you would never buy papa johns pizza.
 
2012-08-07 07:30:04 PM

Pincy: Hobodeluxe: Mike Chewbacca: If it's only 11-14 cents per pizza, why isn't he ALREADY doing this? I'd HAPPILY pay 14 cents more for a pizza so the delivery boy has insurance!

absolutely. they could do this and advertise it and it would be great PR and may even help them retain better employees

I'm sure their business model and operations are set up so that they require the least skilled employees possible. They probably expect a lot of turnover and so they plan for it. I doubt holding on to valuable employees is really that much of a consideration.


Right-wingers are still pretending that these kinds of businesses actually give a shiat about their employees.
 
2012-08-07 07:30:08 PM
Can't wait for the Walls to weigh in.
 
2012-08-07 07:31:21 PM

Pincy: Hobodeluxe: Mike Chewbacca: If it's only 11-14 cents per pizza, why isn't he ALREADY doing this? I'd HAPPILY pay 14 cents more for a pizza so the delivery boy has insurance!

absolutely. they could do this and advertise it and it would be great PR and may even help them retain better employees

I'm sure their business model and operations are set up so that they require the least skilled employees possible. They probably expect a lot of turnover and so they plan for it. I doubt holding on to valuable employees is really that much of a consideration.


Bingo. It's their business model, but like all businesses they still collect tax breaks on employee training.
 
2012-08-07 07:31:44 PM
So it's a win win healthcare wise.
 
2012-08-07 07:34:21 PM
Can I get a break on pizza prices for the electricity, roads, drivers licensing, police and fire protection, etc that my society provides so you can sling pies while we're at it?
 
2012-08-07 07:34:29 PM

gunga galunga: I miss Gatti's. They were the best. I know they're still around but they shut down every location near me.


There is something wrong with you, please seek a tastebud specialist immediately.

/I hate their sauce
 
2012-08-07 07:34:32 PM

grimlock1972: " in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed."

That right there is the biggest problem with America , big business is far to beholden to shareholders.

We need more Main street thinking and less Wall street thinking.

Putting Customers first will in the long run make more of a profit.


Big business wouldn't exist without shareholders. That's the whole point of a company going public. Normally, it works very well, since the more people who buy in, the more capital a business has to work with.

My next question here is, since this guy is the "CEO and founder", what percentage of stock does he hold, and how much of these endangered profits are going straight into his pocket. If it's a privately-held corporation and he's the sole shareholder...well...his protests suddenly become very interesting, to say the least.
 
2012-08-07 07:35:40 PM

Magorn: Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes.

Eh. Vocelli's isn't bad, but I've sworn off Domino's completely and PJ's isn't spectacular but I do like thier "two free toppings for every touchdown your team scores when they win" thing

Little Sleazers is rapidly becoming a go-to because of the can't miss price and speed of pick-up (but it nothing like the glorious litle ceasers of the early 90's, more's the pity)

But when I want a GOOD pizza? Delivery ain;t really an option, going out to the place with the uber-hot wood-burning oven is the only way to make that happen


My favorite local pizzeria just started delivering this year. Life is good.
 
2012-08-07 07:36:32 PM

Gyrfalcon: JohnnyC: Debeo Summa Credo: And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer.

That's what you think he was doing? I say he was whining about having to take care of his employees and making a political statement. Funny thing about free speech... one is free to say anything they want, but they're not free from the consequences that occur from what they said.

That's what I got. He's biatching about something he doesn't like...and then trying to coerce the public into supporting him by claiming "Oh! This will cost us so much! We'll have to tack a dime onto the costs of our pizza! HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!!"

Protip, DumboSumma: Everyone already knows costs get passed on to the consumer, and nobody is whining about it. Except this guy. And you.


There's dozens of people whining in this thread about his comments. Was he supposed to keep their plans to pass on increased costs to customers a secret and not communicate that to his investors? Are we to keep that on the down low because heaven forfend anybody acknowledge that, yes, obamacare will cost everyone something? HELP, HELP, someone is assaulting health care reform with their damned supply/demand economics!
 
2012-08-07 07:37:20 PM

JohnnyC: Funny thing about free speech... one is free to say anything they want, but they're not free from the consequences that occur from what they said.


could you douchebags please not say this 10 times every free speech thread? thank you.
 
2012-08-07 07:38:04 PM
Some companies use any excuse to raise prices.
 
2012-08-07 07:38:06 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: John H. Schnatter
Founder, Chairman and Co-Chief Executive Officer

TotalCompensation $2,614,516
Data for fiscal year ended in 2011


WOW! Tax cuts for some indeed!

What he's missing is that everybody's pizza is going to go up, and by less than 1%... I'd gladly pay an extra 1% on everything to give all Americans healthcare.

And it's not like the price of EVERYTHING is going up. Car-makers already insure everyone. Software makers already insure everyone. It's just the employers of the bottom rung.

And this may reduce government costs. There are a lot of the working poor on government health insurance (I'm looking at you, Walmart) who are going to get private coverage for the first time.
 
2012-08-07 07:38:08 PM

feffer:

Remember all the crying about Seattle's sick leave ordinance? Restaurants do prefer their employees to be sick while working.


Yes, I remember thinking WTF? at the time. Why would anyone oppose having food service workers be healthy at work?

feffer: FloydA: Pagliacci Pizza in Seattle is excellent, for delivery pizza.

Zeeks.


Also excellent.



PlatinumDragon: FloydA:
Yep. Fast, Good and Cheap: pick any two.

Or all three if we're talking about your mom.



I would hazard a guess that she's not quite so fast, but go for it, I'm sure she'd appreciate the attention. Just watch out for her hip, I'd hate to have to buy her another one. And be careful, several of those teeth are originals.
 
2012-08-07 07:38:43 PM
Another idiotic CEO who doesn't know enough to keep his mouth shut about politics. I agree with the other posters, I would probably be glad to give him an extra 2 dimes in exchange for him giving his employees decent health care but instead I'm going to never buy one of his pizzas again.
 
2012-08-07 07:38:59 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Gyrfalcon: JohnnyC: Debeo Summa Credo: And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer.

That's what you think he was doing? I say he was whining about having to take care of his employees and making a political statement. Funny thing about free speech... one is free to say anything they want, but they're not free from the consequences that occur from what they said.

That's what I got. He's biatching about something he doesn't like...and then trying to coerce the public into supporting him by claiming "Oh! This will cost us so much! We'll have to tack a dime onto the costs of our pizza! HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!!"

Protip, DumboSumma: Everyone already knows costs get passed on to the consumer, and nobody is whining about it. Except this guy. And you.

There's dozens of people whining in this thread about his comments. Was he supposed to keep their plans to pass on increased costs to customers a secret and not communicate that to his investors? Are we to keep that on the down low because heaven forfend anybody acknowledge that, yes, obamacare will cost everyone something? HELP, HELP, someone is assaulting health care reform with their damned supply/demand economics!


It's fairly easy to dismiss people when you assign them cartoonish motivations.

In the future, I do believe I'll spend my troll dollars at another establishment.
 
2012-08-07 07:39:07 PM

X-boxershorts: Your follow up is an excellent argument for an increase in the minimum wage or an advocate for a liveable wage.


Absolutely; particularly in the food industry. I never understood why something absolutely essential to human survival ends up having a pay scale such that only the downtrodden would want to take the job. If anything, food preparers should be compensated more like doctors and the quality of the product should match.

The Why Not Guy: That's very true. And let me add "tipping" to the mix. If you go to a restaurant often enough to be known to the staff, tip well. Think of it as insurance. The bonus is you'll then become known as "a good tipper" and you'll be treated like royalty.


Don't get me on another rant - 20% should be considered the standard, 15 the minimum. Though I'll concede the higher up the price point you go, there is a ceiling. Tipping 20% on a $500 meal is just overboard - I'm not sure I would ever go more than $50 on a tip, but I guess if it's a several hours-long meal it would be justified.
 
2012-08-07 07:40:45 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Gyrfalcon: JohnnyC: Debeo Summa Credo: And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer.

That's what you think he was doing? I say he was whining about having to take care of his employees and making a political statement. Funny thing about free speech... one is free to say anything they want, but they're not free from the consequences that occur from what they said.

That's what I got. He's biatching about something he doesn't like...and then trying to coerce the public into supporting him by claiming "Oh! This will cost us so much! We'll have to tack a dime onto the costs of our pizza! HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED!!"

Protip, DumboSumma: Everyone already knows costs get passed on to the consumer, and nobody is whining about it. Except this guy. And you.

There's dozens of people whining in this thread about his comments. Was he supposed to keep their plans to pass on increased costs to customers a secret and not communicate that to his investors? Are we to keep that on the down low because heaven forfend anybody acknowledge that, yes, obamacare will cost everyone something? HELP, HELP, someone is assaulting health care reform with their damned supply/demand economics!


I don't remember him complaining about higher fuel costs or higher food costs for ingredients and whining to the press about that forcing him to raise pizza prices.
 
2012-08-07 07:40:53 PM

Rapmaster2000: dericwater: KyngNothing: Papa John's, rephrased.

We COULD give our employees insurance now, but that would cost us almost $.12 per pizza (I wonder what ingredient that compares to...), and our employees just AREN'T worth that much to us...

THIS^^^^

Starbucks offer full healthcare to their workers, even the part-timers. And a cup of coffee makes much less revenue than a whole pizza pie.

There's a few models to viewing labor. One is that labor is strictly a cost and labor cannot make you money. This is why the service at Wal-Mart blows. There's another model which says labor skillfully employed can be a way to make money. This is the Whole Paycheck/Nordstrom model. Papa John's is purely in the former. Make it cheap and they'll come because it's cheap.

I wonder how often Papa John shops at Wal-Mart?


that's not walmarts model. that's not nordstroms model either.
 
2012-08-07 07:41:51 PM
There's a nationwide online coupon code for 50% off their regular price right now through August 12, so I guess they are selling pizzas at a loss? SUMMER50 is the code. I saw it on slickdeals but didn't use it because the pizza tastes so shiatty that it would be like eating shiat. (At 50% off...which is still a bad deal for shiat)
 
2012-08-07 07:42:20 PM
I'm not sure if anybody is even looking at the comments at the bottom of this article, but just in case anyone has an inkling to, let me save you some trouble and summarize them for you right here:

Republican: "You see, you libs just don't understand basic economics. You're too busy eating foie gras in the faculty lounge to open your eyes and see how things work in the real world, you know, for people who actually work for a living. You people just want something for nothing and expect the government to take care of everything for you. You are lazy and have no sense of personal responsibility."

"Lib": "Ugh . . . you're an idiot."

Republican: OMG THAT IS SO UNCIVIL! HEY EVERYBODY, DID YOU SEE THAT AD HOMINEM?! THAT'S HOW IT ALWAYS IS WITH YOU LIBS! ALWAYS CALLING NAMES!
 
2012-08-07 07:42:30 PM

Gyrfalcon: Big business wouldn't exist without shareholders. That's the whole point of a company going public.


Going public is a cash grab without any obligation to make a return on investment, only an obligation to do enough look like you're trying to make a good faith effort to make a return on investment.

Plenty of large, very successful businesses are privately owned. There was one in the news for the majority of the last couple weeks. Something about f@ggy chicken or something.

And then there's that other hugely successful private company that just went private and saw its value drop precipitously. Headnovel or Grillmagazine or something.
 
2012-08-07 07:42:35 PM

The Why Not Guy: Debeo Summa Credo: If its worth it, pay your extra fifteen cents a shiatty pizza and be happy.

That's what pretty much everyone in this thread has said they're more than happy to do. The ones saying they won't patronize Papa Johns are doing so because either they don't care for the pizza there (understandable) or they disagree with the CEOs politics (also understandable).

I haven't seen anyone say the 15 cents per pizza is a deal breaker. You're full of shiat as usual.


If a Pizza is really good, I'll pay $5 more for it. If someone told me that anything over $10 increased by 15 cents in cost I would be confused as to why they were even telling me about. I literally won't bend down to pick up anything less than a quarter half the time.
 
2012-08-07 07:42:40 PM

relcec: Rapmaster2000: dericwater: KyngNothing: Papa John's, rephrased.

We COULD give our employees insurance now, but that would cost us almost $.12 per pizza (I wonder what ingredient that compares to...), and our employees just AREN'T worth that much to us...

THIS^^^^

Starbucks offer full healthcare to their workers, even the part-timers. And a cup of coffee makes much less revenue than a whole pizza pie.

There's a few models to viewing labor. One is that labor is strictly a cost and labor cannot make you money. This is why the service at Wal-Mart blows. There's another model which says labor skillfully employed can be a way to make money. This is the Whole Paycheck/Nordstrom model. Papa John's is purely in the former. Make it cheap and they'll come because it's cheap.

I wonder how often Papa John shops at Wal-Mart?

that's not walmarts model. that's not nordstroms model either.


I'm all ears. You don't have to snark.
 
2012-08-07 07:42:51 PM
LOL.

I did email the company that I found their CEO's comments wrongheaded and that I wasn't up in arms having to pay less than a quarter more for their pizza, which for national delivery chain isn't that bad.

They've forwarded my comments to the appropriate people. To be honest, I'm just hoping for some free pizza coupons.
 
2012-08-07 07:43:38 PM

feffer:

Zeeks.


BTW, if you're ever out at Seward Park, try Flying Squirrel Pizza- they don't deliver, but they're great.
 
2012-08-07 07:43:48 PM

NuttierThanEver: Papa John's = Derptard
Dominoes = founded by a prolife fundie nutjob
Godfather's = formerly run by Derptard
Pizza Hut = I don't know but they are the worst out of all the chains out there.


Pizza Hut is a subsidiary of Yum Foods along with Taco Bell and KFC. Yum Food is a member of ALEC, a rightwing group responsible for conservative legislation being passed statewide across the country, everything from union busting to stand your ground laws. So yeah, you don't want to eat at Pizza Hut anyway.

/Looks like the only fast food place chain around me that I'll be buying food from is Chipotle.
/Honestly I've yet to even run across a Little Caesars, I can't buy from them if they aren't around.
 
2012-08-07 07:44:50 PM
"If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed.

Back in the olden days (like, 30 or 40 years ago) if you asked a CEO who the most important person in their organization was, they would almost invariably answer "the customer." This would be followed by "our employees."

Nowadays, the answer is almost always "the shareholder." Customers are seen as nothing but a nuisance to take money from and employees are nothing but leeches who can be easily replaced.

This is the single biggest problem with modern corporate America.

Also, Papa John's pizza is rather gross.
 
2012-08-07 07:45:18 PM

Coco LaFemme: Anyone that calls the Affordable Care Act "Obamacare" as a means to slur it, is an asshole. Good to know what side of the asshole/non-asshole ledger this clown goes on.

There's a Little Caesar's about a mile from our house that's going to get an uptick in our business now, because anyone who sees a problem in raising prices a few cents so their workers can get health care, is too stupid to get my money.


I like the use of the term Obamacare. It will forever stick and when history shows these asshats wrong (again) about something good for America, Obama will always get proper credit. Until they start saying they always loved it and it was based on a GOP plan.
 
2012-08-07 07:45:35 PM

Pincy: Because he must maximize profits for the shareholders.


That would be wrong.

They are in business to make profits for themselves and their shareholders.

Actually they're supposed to be in business to do business, profits are just part of what goes with that.

Gyrfalcon: Big business wouldn't exist without shareholders.


Sure they would. There are plenty of big corporations that are private and many corporations that have gone public only after becoming quite sizable.
 
2012-08-07 07:45:38 PM
Do they really think people will buy less of their shiatty pizzas because of a 15 cent price increase? If you dropped 15 cents on the ground would you even stop to pick it up?

And if this is all it would cost, why the fark aren't they already doing it? Jesus!
 
2012-08-07 07:46:45 PM
Oh no, I'll have to keep ordering delicious Jet CIty Pizza instead!? Say it ain't so. It's pretty bad if the Costco concessions has better pizza than you do Papa Johns. Maybe paying employees enough to give a shiat makes a difference.
 
2012-08-07 07:46:52 PM
Have you noticed that a lot of the fastfood, hillbilly chow purveyors are rightwing assholes? I guess it goes with the lack of morals needed to sell pig-slop like Papa John's or CFA as human food.
 
2012-08-07 07:47:58 PM
Oh sure. Blame Obama (everyone else does).

Surely it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the increased costs of ingredients due to the drought (which is being caused by global warming, which was caused by fat white republican billionaires).
 
2012-08-07 07:48:36 PM

WhyteRaven74: Pincy: Because he must maximize profits for the shareholders.

That would be wrong.


What's wrong with that? He pretty much said that in the article.

They are in business to make profits for themselves and their shareholders.

Actually they're supposed to be in business to do business, profits are just part of what goes with that.


So he started a pizza chain just because he likes pizza?
 
2012-08-07 07:49:18 PM

TV's Vinnie: Oh sure. Blame Obama (everyone else does).

Surely it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the increased costs of ingredients due to the drought (which is being caused by global warming, which was caused by fat white republican billionaires).


Increased costs of ingredients, Increased costs of pizza. Papa Johns. What's in your wallet? IT'S IN THE GAME
 
2012-08-07 07:49:58 PM
Wait. For 15-farking-cents a pizza you could have given your employees insurance - and you DIDN'T? I get coupons from you that regularly offer me a dollar or more off your pizzas. You could have been charging just an extra 15 cents a pie, and your employees would be able to take care of a sick child or buy medicine?

You, sir, are an asshat.
 
2012-08-07 07:50:21 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: lacrossestar83: Oh well. It's not like they have real (Chicago style) pizza

I don't understand this argument - they're two different foods. No reason to compare.

But i have to say after spending several days in Chicago a little while ago I have to say real Chicago-style pizza is pretty awesome.


Lou Malnatti's sausage pizza is the best. They don't put little crumbled up bits of sausage on the pizza. They put a HUGE FRICKIN' SAUSAGE PATTY on the pizza. It's rather amazing.
 
2012-08-07 07:50:33 PM
So, raise prices a quarter, nobody will notice, pocket the 14 cent profit and insure your employees.... you f*ckbag.
 
2012-08-07 07:50:43 PM
The boyfriend and I order pizza about once a week and Papa Johns was our go-to until we started checking out some family owned joints in the neighborhood. Our favorite is a place called North End Pizza; the family who owns it have a shop in Boston as well. Their Sicilian has the best crust I've ever had and the homemade sauce is awesome too. It costs more but we don't even consider the chain places any more unless we have a bunch of people over.

"Papa" John is just one more in a long line of asshole CEOs who forget that without their employees, they wouldn't have a business at all!
 
2012-08-07 07:50:44 PM

rudemix: I like the use of the term Obamacare. It will forever stick and when history shows these asshats wrong (again) about something good for America, Obama will always get proper credit. Until they start saying they always loved it and it was based on a GOP plan.


Bingo. I call it Obamacare, and proudly. Of course, these are people who named themselves after a scrotum dangling in their face. Don't tread on me, indeed.
 
2012-08-07 07:50:57 PM
"Lost your hand to a lathe? We'll have to fire you, hire your wife and son and pay them a combined amount that is half of what we paid you."

"We're going to go ahead and lock you in here until you can finish those shirtwaists. Don't start any fires, ladies!"

"We have to give our employees HEALTH INSURANCE? Fine! Pizza costs are going up!"

What will they think of next?
 
2012-08-07 07:51:09 PM
The carryout place I go to has a tip jar at the counter. I thought the whole point of going out to pick up your pizza is so you don't HAVE to pay a tip.
 
2012-08-07 07:51:23 PM

Dog Welder: Back in the olden days (like, 30 or 40 years ago) if you asked a CEO who the most important person in their organization was, they would almost invariably answer "the customer." This would be followed by "our employees."

Nowadays, the answer is almost always "the shareholder." Customers are seen as nothing but a nuisance to take money from and employees are nothing but leeches who can be easily replaced.


In the olden days, you wouldn't ask a CEO, you would ask the owner of the corporation. And, while he was telling you about how much he cared about the "customer" he'd secretly be pulling all kinds of borderline illegal accounting shenanigans that would never see the light of day since it was a private corporation. Now that we have publicly held corporations, the process has been democratized. The public both gets to buy in to the company and become a part owner and we also get to see the books revealed publicly every single quarter. Say what you want about the olden days but the American consumer is much more informed today both as a customer of the corporation and as an owner.
 
2012-08-07 07:51:36 PM
Papa John's political derping is actually setting an example...

... An example of why the US needs single-payer and universal health coverage.

If you view access to affordable and high-quality healthcare as a basic human right, then it makes no sense to tie healthcare in any way to any employer.

Next evolutionary step is Medicare for all citizens, with no means for individual states to water down benefits. Hell, a Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing the right to care would do.

/ one dreams, doesn't one
 
2012-08-07 07:51:52 PM
With a name like Papa John you'd think he would be Catholic. Guess having one Catholic run pizzza megachain is enough.

/Walks down the block to Mellow Mushroom to get pizza. Takes about five minues round trip.
 
2012-08-07 07:52:59 PM
I just hope the CEO of Subway doesn't open their mouth any time soon. That's the only "fast food" I eat anymore. Starbucks isn't fast food, but whoever runs it better keep their mouths shut too. If I don't get my frappucino once a week, I go bonkers.
 
2012-08-07 07:53:20 PM

cowpun: Papa John's political derping is actually setting an example...

... An example of why the US needs single-payer and universal health coverage.

If you view access to affordable and high-quality healthcare as a basic human right, then it makes no sense to tie healthcare in any way to any employer.

Next evolutionary step is Medicare for all citizens, with no means for individual states to water down benefits. Hell, a Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing the right to care would do.

/ one dreams, doesn't one



It'll happen.
Maybe not in our lifetimes, but it'll happen.
 
2012-08-07 07:54:02 PM
How much did the cost of Pizza increase in Mass. when Romneycare was implemented? Or did Papa John Socialize those losses across thr company?
 
2012-08-07 07:54:33 PM

cameroncrazy1984: kronicfeld: I miss Little Caesar's.

We still have them around here. There's one 10 minutes from my house. I'll pick up a $5 Hot-N-Ready every now and then. One time I got there five minutes before close and they gave me 2-for-1.


Next time you go there you should see if they have "Stuffed Crazy Bread" it is not a menu item but is probably the tastiest thing they serve. Since it is a franchise not all of them do it still since it was a "special" item like 10 or so years ago.
 
2012-08-07 07:55:19 PM

you are a puppet: TV's Vinnie: Oh sure. Blame Obama (everyone else does).

Surely it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the increased costs of ingredients due to the drought (which is being caused by global warming, which was caused by fat white republican billionaires).

Increased costs of ingredients, Increased costs of pizza. Papa Johns. What's in your wallet? IT'S IN THE GAME


Oh that's just ridiculous, it's totally different, ingredients affect every pizza joint exactly the same way, so you don't raise prices unless you want to make demand for your brand of pizza to go down. Obamacare only affects Papa Johns pizza, so he will have to raise prices in order to keep up with demand. You must not know anything about business, which is why you're posting on Fark and John is cruising around in a bad ass Camaro.
 
2012-08-07 07:55:24 PM
For a place with the slogan "Better Ingredients. Better Pizza." you'd think they'd, I dunno, use better ingredients and make a better pizza. But no; Papa John's is farking nasty.

/rather eat that frozen Ellio's crap before I'd eat a Papa John's poor-excuse-for-a-pizza
 
2012-08-07 07:56:53 PM
Hey guys, watch this!

"Papa John's Pizza is against Obamacare!"

Now if that doesn't work, we'll have to be against the ghey too. Watch those sales #'s would ya?
 
2012-08-07 07:57:16 PM
These guys have stated in no uncertain terms that they value their shareholders far more than their employees and customers.

OK. Good to know.
 
2012-08-07 07:57:26 PM

Pincy: So he started a pizza chain just because he likes pizza?


If his only motivation was profit, which it appears to be, he got into business for the wrong reason. There's nothing wrong with thinking starting a business will provide for you, however when you see it as nothing but a way to make your wallet ever fatter, you're doing it wrong. A business isn't about you and your wallet.

Shaggy_C: Now that we have publicly held corporations


You make it sound as if such corporations are something recent. They're nothing of the sort.
 
2012-08-07 07:58:56 PM

Shaggy_C: sparkeyjames: We Insure our employee's because a healthy employee makes a better pizza.

Psh, give me a break. The guy making your pizza is likely a high school dropout who smokes cigarettes and marijuana, doesn't wash his hands out of the bathroom, and is probably carrying around more than a couple different STDs in his crusty, unwashed nether regions. Health insurance don't fix minimum wage lifestyles.


Most of the people I worked withwhen I was employed by Papa Johns were still in high school or were middle class men and women looking to get extra cash to pay down debt. Dirty people tend to not last long at places dealing with food, especially when store fronts are glass and passersby can watch the food being made.
 
2012-08-07 07:59:05 PM

Nabb1: /BTW, try Magazine Pizza. It's really, really good.


I eat it about once a week. It is really good, and the delivery is always quick. Although the "hangover" pizza wasn't quite as good as I'd hoped (because I was hungover as fark).
 
2012-08-07 07:59:16 PM

Coco LaFemme: I just hope the CEO of Subway doesn't open their mouth any time soon. That's the only "fast food" I eat anymore. Starbucks isn't fast food, but whoever runs it better keep their mouths shut too. If I don't get my frappucino once a week, I go bonkers.


I basically only eat from the following chains:

Jersey Mikes subs
Firehouse subs
Chipotle
Willy Mexicana Grill
Moes Southwest grill
I also order subs from Publix.

All I eat from chains now are turkey subs and chicken burritos.

But maybe once a month I'll eat order pizza. A Marcos pizza recently opened here. I've also eaten Little Caesars in the past six months.

I used to eat Zaxbys but I'm tired of fries and a drink!

I am the most interesting man in the world.
 
2012-08-07 07:59:40 PM
Once a month, I meant.
 
2012-08-07 08:02:01 PM

Rapmaster2000: relcec: Rapmaster2000: dericwater: KyngNothing: Papa John's, rephrased.

We COULD give our employees insurance now, but that would cost us almost $.12 per pizza (I wonder what ingredient that compares to...), and our employees just AREN'T worth that much to us...

THIS^^^^

Starbucks offer full healthcare to their workers, even the part-timers. And a cup of coffee makes much less revenue than a whole pizza pie.

There's a few models to viewing labor. One is that labor is strictly a cost and labor cannot make you money. This is why the service at Wal-Mart blows. There's another model which says labor skillfully employed can be a way to make money. This is the Whole Paycheck/Nordstrom model. Papa John's is purely in the former. Make it cheap and they'll come because it's cheap.

I wonder how often Papa John shops at Wal-Mart?

that's not walmarts model. that's not nordstroms model either.

I'm all ears. You don't have to snark.


I wasn't snarking. I just don't think they either view labor in that way.
I don't think the service at walmart blows. I think that it is a function of most people not looking for someone to help them which cat litter or soup or $2.00 black socks to pick. then again I go to a very nice walmart on anderson lane.

nordstom is famous for the originating the customer is always right mantra and the deal about taking returns for merchandise they don't sell (I've also seen that at petsmart btw, or maybe it was petco), but I haven't noticed any difference in customer service there compared to other semi-luxury retailers and I'd be shocked if they paid anything other than market wages. I don't think they actually put a premium on labor.

I think they both compete on price and selection at this point in their respective brick and mortar categories. I think they both view labor as a cost, and if they can cut cost without hurting sales they will do it. you could be right though.
 
2012-08-07 08:03:22 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Why would this be surprising? You raise costs for any industry, they're going to try to pass the costs along to customers.

This nuance is lost to those who think Obamacare is a)free or b) free to anyone but the rich but fark them. To the extent businesses' costs increase, and they will, to some extent, prices will rise and supply will diminish, costing everyone.

The benefit of health care reform might be worth it, but it ain't free. And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer. If its worth it, pay your extra fifteen cents a shiatty pizza and be happy.


They'll make the money back just on lowered worker's comp claims. A lot of those claims would have been minor if the person had just gone to the doctor when they occurred, instead of waiting until it became serious. Cuts that later get infected, hairline fractures that worsen, tendon pulls that tear. Then there's less sick time, more productive employees, etc.

This is pretty close to revenue neutral. After all, somebody was paying for that medical care, whether the person had insurance or not. In many cases, it was the business.
 
2012-08-07 08:03:32 PM

kronicfeld: I miss Little Caesar's.


media.tumblr.com

Woo Obamacare
 
2012-08-07 08:04:02 PM

WhyteRaven74: Pincy: So he started a pizza chain just because he likes pizza?

If his only motivation was profit, which it appears to be, he got into business for the wrong reason. There's nothing wrong with thinking starting a business will provide for you, however when you see it as nothing but a way to make your wallet ever fatter, you're doing it wrong. A business isn't about you and your wallet.


Well, I think we may be dwelling on semantics here just a little. Different people have different ideas about what it means to "provide" for oneself. If I owned a business and it was hurting my wallet then it would indeed be about my wallet.
 
2012-08-07 08:04:27 PM
"If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed.

We promise to fark consumers be we won't be able to fark employees in a certain way anymore to make sure that the stockholders don't get farked at all!
 
2012-08-07 08:04:35 PM
So Papa Johns could have given their full time employees health insurance and it would have only added about a dime to the cost of each pizza? And they didn't voluntarily do this years ago? They don't realize healthy employees are more productive employees? Not to mention that the CEO thinks the market can bear a higher price but for some strange reason they haven't charged that price yet.

So basically this guy is speaking to the news media in order to tell them he's a wildly incompetent CEO?
 
2012-08-07 08:05:17 PM

consider this: kronicfeld: I miss Little Caesar's.

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Woo Obamacare


media.tumblr.com

WOO
 
2012-08-07 08:06:37 PM

WhyteRaven74: Gyrfalcon: Big business wouldn't exist without shareholders.

Sure they would. There are plenty of big corporations that are private and many corporations that have gone public only after becoming quite sizable.


cargill is massive. 100 something billion in revenue. as much as microsoft or even apple I'm sure.
 
2012-08-07 08:07:29 PM

Thrag: They don't realize healthy employees are more productive employees?


They don't care. Their business model is set up for low-skilled employees with high turnover rates. They aren't creating career opportunities here. They are making pizza as cheaply as possible. The expect that most employees won't be there for the long haul.
 
2012-08-07 08:09:18 PM

ArcadianRefugee: For a place with the slogan "Better Ingredients. Better Pizza." you'd think they'd, I dunno, use better ingredients and make a better pizza. But no; Papa John's is farking nasty.

/rather eat that frozen Ellio's crap before I'd eat a Papa John's poor-excuse-for-a-pizza


this is true. everyone one earth realizes during the first bite that slogan is a complete lie. if it was at least fresh there is no way it could be that nasty.
 
2012-08-07 08:09:18 PM

Gyrfalcon: My next question here is, since this guy is the "CEO and founder", what percentage of stock does he hold


It looks like about 30%. Link
 
2012-08-07 08:09:40 PM
I'm sure those prices will fall back in line when everyone starts ordering from their less expensive competitors.

/competition - how does that work!?
 
2012-08-07 08:10:59 PM
Papa John's is about to demonstrate the economic sticky price theory.
 
2012-08-07 08:11:17 PM

relcec: nordstom is famous for the originating the customer is always right mantra


Actually Sears was pushing it before Nordstrom, and in any case the first retailer to promote such a policy was Wedgewood over 200 years ago.
 
2012-08-07 08:11:51 PM

violentsalvation: I actually pity you.



Is that what you dream when looking out into the real world from the short bus? All these smarter people you pity?
 
2012-08-07 08:12:15 PM

Pincy: Thrag: They don't realize healthy employees are more productive employees?

They don't care. Their business model is set up for low-skilled employees with high turnover rates. They aren't creating career opportunities here. They are making pizza as cheaply as possible. The expect that most employees won't be there for the long haul.


Aren't their employees all teenagers who would be covered on their parents plans anyway? Like the two teenage girls who I presume were on their break smoking on the curb out front a few months ago, and when I walked by they stopped talking to each other and stared at me quietly with lust in their eyes? "Yep, still got it", I thought to myself as I began to look up age of consent laws on my phone.
 
2012-08-07 08:12:19 PM

Dog Welder: Debeo Summa Credo: lacrossestar83: Oh well. It's not like they have real (Chicago style) pizza

I don't understand this argument - they're two different foods. No reason to compare.

But i have to say after spending several days in Chicago a little while ago I have to say real Chicago-style pizza is pretty awesome.

Lou Malnatti's sausage pizza is the best. They don't put little crumbled up bits of sausage on the pizza. They put a HUGE FRICKIN' SAUSAGE PATTY on the pizza. It's rather amazing.


Malnati's main ingredient is Win. I've been there a few times with a friend and I'm glad I have to travel to eat there - if they were local to me I'd get really, really fat.
 
2012-08-07 08:12:48 PM

Shaggy_C: Psh, give me a break. The guy making your pizza is likely a high school dropout who smokes cigarettes and marijuana, doesn't wash his hands out of the bathroom, and is probably carrying around more than a couple different STDs in his crusty, unwashed nether regions. Health insurance don't fix minimum wage lifestyles.



You pretty much described all food workers in America
 
2012-08-07 08:13:31 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Why would this be surprising? You raise costs for any industry, they're going to try to pass the costs along to customers.

This nuance is lost to those who think Obamacare is a)free or b) free to anyone but the rich but fark them. To the extent businesses' costs increase, and they will, to some extent, prices will rise and supply will diminish, costing everyone.

The benefit of health care reform might be worth it, but it ain't free. And only a farking douchebag would support obamacare and then complain when businesses acknowledge that they'll try to pass the cost on to the customer. If its worth it, pay your extra fifteen cents a shiatty pizza and be happy.



So the huge increase in health care costs since 1980 have been the fault of what?

Let me guess, "over-regulation"
 
2012-08-07 08:14:59 PM
surely it would be much better for the uninsured to get sick and go to the hospital like i did. cost of viral meningitis and a week in the hospital: $28,000, but hey, i got off work for a week.....but didn't get paid for that either
 
2012-08-07 08:16:23 PM

12349876: Lsherm: propasaurus: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza..."

OK, raise your pizza prices by 11¢ so your employees can have coverage. Or, raise your prices by a couple bucks so you can make more profit per pie, blame 'Obamacare' for high prices and watch more customers go to Pizza Hut.

What color is the sky in your world? Why do you think Pizza Hut isn't going to raise their prices, too? Are they exempt from Obamacare?

They may choose to not raise the price, and the increase in customers that ditch Papa John's would overcome the extra cost.

And assuming this Papa John's guy is a good businessman, the price is ALREADY where the maximum revenue is. So his choices if costs were to raise due to Obamacare are 1) convince the customer to pay more 2) take a hit in profits 3) get out of the business. Keep in mind 1) is not guaranteed to work.


Seriously, why are people still falling for the "pass the cost on" threat? He's already maximizing profits. If he fiddles with the price, he reduces his profits, no matter what.
 
2012-08-07 08:16:43 PM

WhyteRaven74: You make it sound as if such corporations are something recent. They're nothing of the sort.


True - but there were far fewer "large" corporations 50 years ago, so the "shareholders first" philosophy hadn't infiltrated every last part of the American ethos.
 
2012-08-07 08:17:04 PM

relcec: cargill is massive. 100 something billion in revenue.


Yep. Then there's Mars, Simplot and Fark favorites Koch Industries.
 
2012-08-07 08:17:30 PM

relcec: Rapmaster2000: relcec: Rapmaster2000: dericwater: KyngNothing: Papa John's, rephrased.

We COULD give our employees insurance now, but that would cost us almost $.12 per pizza (I wonder what ingredient that compares to...), and our employees just AREN'T worth that much to us...

THIS^^^^

Starbucks offer full healthcare to their workers, even the part-timers. And a cup of coffee makes much less revenue than a whole pizza pie.

There's a few models to viewing labor. One is that labor is strictly a cost and labor cannot make you money. This is why the service at Wal-Mart blows. There's another model which says labor skillfully employed can be a way to make money. This is the Whole Paycheck/Nordstrom model. Papa John's is purely in the former. Make it cheap and they'll come because it's cheap.

I wonder how often Papa John shops at Wal-Mart?

that's not walmarts model. that's not nordstroms model either.

I'm all ears. You don't have to snark.

I wasn't snarking. I just don't think they either view labor in that way.
I don't think the service at walmart blows. I think that it is a function of most people not looking for someone to help them which cat litter or soup or $2.00 black socks to pick. then again I go to a very nice walmart on anderson lane.

nordstom is famous for the originating the customer is always right mantra and the deal about taking returns for merchandise they don't sell (I've also seen that at petsmart btw, or maybe it was petco), but I haven't noticed any difference in customer service there compared to other semi-luxury retailers and I'd be shocked if they paid anything other than market wages. I don't think they actually put a premium on labor.

I think they both compete on price and selection at this point in their respective brick and mortar categories. I think they both view labor as a cost, and if they can cut cost without hurting sales they will do it. you could be right though.


Viewing labor as a way to make money was something I read a few months ago and it really stuck with me because it's anti to the prevailing view that labor is always a cost.

So if the excellent service at Nordstrom gets the customer to spend more than he/she was planning to spend then I'd say that's a way that labor higher labor costs actually made the company money in that particular transaction. I know they've gotten me to spend way more on a ties than I would like to, but when the guy puts the whole outfit together for you and it looks awesome then it's hard to say no. If I was just picking out my own stuff I wouldn't have spent as much because it wouldn't have looked that good.

So of course labor is going to be a cost on the balance sheet, but what's it doing on the cash flow statement? Probably nothing at Wal-Mart, but probably something at Nordstrom. Lord knows how much they used to get an ex of mine to spend on jeans there.
 
2012-08-07 08:18:16 PM
So of course labor is going to be a cost on the balance sheet,

Damnit. Income statement.
 
2012-08-07 08:20:33 PM

Shaggy_C: so the "shareholders first" philosophy hadn't infiltrated every last part of the American ethos.


Fifty years ago it didn't exist. Fifty years ago corporations weren't cranking out earnings estimates. Their shares weren't judged by earnings per share. Earnings were nice, but hardly the only thing you'd judge a company on and some investors didn't even worry about earnings instead focusing on things like revenue growth, how much debt they had, how much equity they had and all sorts of other factors, including employee turnover.
 
2012-08-07 08:21:23 PM
FYI, Papa John's is not alone is saying this.

Caterpillar, the world's largest construction machinery manufacturer by sales said it would increase its insurance costs by at least 20 percent, or more than $100 million, just in the first year of the health-care overhaul program.

"We can ill-afford cost increases that place us at a disadvantage versus our global competitors," said the letter signed by Gregory Folley, vice president and chief human resources officer of Caterpillar. "We are disappointed that efforts at reform have not addressed the cost concerns we've raised throughout the year."

A letter to President Barack Obama and members of Congress signed by more than 130 economists predicted the legislation would discourage companies from hiring more workers and would cause reduced hours and wages for those already employed."

Farm equipment maker Deere & Co expects after-tax expenses to rise by $150 million this year as a result of the healthcare reform law President Barack Obama signed

Verizon says it current pays $4 billion annually towards health care plans for nearly 900,000 employees, retirees, and their families. Its hundreds of thousands of unionized employees, though, pay nothing towards their health care premiums. The company estimates the "Cadillac tax" will add about $200 million to those annual costs.

McDonald's estimates that each restaurant will incur between $10,000 and $30,000 in added annual costs. The Affordable Care Act could cost McDonald's and its franchisees more than $400 million a year in additional health-care expenses, Chief Financial Officer Peter Bensen said on Monday.

CEO Tilman J. Fertitta of Landry's Inc., the Houston-based operator of more than 400 restaurant, hotel and casino properties, isn't so sure. "It's just going to be a lot more expensive for people to eat out," Fertitta said. "It's going to be more expensive for people to buy groceries at the grocery store."

White Castle System Inc. began offering health coverage when Calvin Coolidge was president. In upholding the core of President Barack Obama's healthcare overhaul, justices still left U.S. businesses wondering what they will have to spend to comply, said Jamie Richardson, vice president of Columbus, Ohio-based White Castle.

Peter Saleh, a restaurant analyst at Telsey Advisory Group, expects sit-down diners at restaurants like The Olive Garden, owned by Darden Restaurants (DRI), and The Cheesecake Factory (CAKE), which own a greater proportion of their locations than some fast food chains, to eventually pay at least 2% more to eat there.

The list goes on and on. Without a doubt, ACA means increased operating costs for American businesses. And an increase in operating costs means either a reduction in hiring or an increase in prices. So whether we get unemployment or inflation, it will have a negative effect on the economy at a time when it is already struggling.

So you can go on and on about how their pizza sucks (it does) and how it's just fat cat whining or it's all political lies, or whatever you need to tell yourself, but at the end of the day, ACA will not reduce the cost of healthcare itself, nor will it reduce the rising cost of insurance, and it will have a dampening effect on the economy.
 
2012-08-07 08:21:42 PM

you are a puppet: Pincy: Thrag: They don't realize healthy employees are more productive employees?

They don't care. Their business model is set up for low-skilled employees with high turnover rates. They aren't creating career opportunities here. They are making pizza as cheaply as possible. The expect that most employees won't be there for the long haul.

Aren't their employees all teenagers who would be covered on their parents plans anyway? Like the two teenage girls who I presume were on their break smoking on the curb out front a few months ago, and when I walked by they stopped talking to each other and stared at me quietly with lust in their eyes? "Yep, still got it", I thought to myself as I began to look up age of consent laws on my phone.


Sure, some of them are, and some of them aren't. With Obamacare I suppose you could say this about anyone up to 26 years of age. But all that's doing is passing health care costs onto the parents or the parent's employer.

I guess I'm confused. Is business supposed to provide health insurance for its employees or not? I always kind of thought that that was the implicit agreement in our economy. I always here people say "get a job" when someone complains that they can't afford to go to the doctor because they don't have insurance. It seems to me that the "get a job" advice assumes that the job will provide you with insurance. But maybe I'm wrong.
 
2012-08-07 08:21:53 PM

you are a puppet: consider this: kronicfeld: I miss Little Caesar's.

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Woo Obamacare

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2012-08-07 08:21:54 PM
farking 11 cents? What were you smoking when you decided it was totally ok to go ahead and say something so farking stupid?

"Well, yer za gonna cost more. Like, a quarter or something. And all of our employees will actually have health insurance. For a farking QUARTER. Can you believe what big government is doing?"
 
2012-08-07 08:22:30 PM
Am I the only one who sees making junk food more expensive and health care cheaper as a win/win?
 
2012-08-07 08:22:37 PM

Shaggy_C: Dog Welder: Back in the olden days (like, 30 or 40 years ago) if you asked a CEO who the most important person in their organization was, they would almost invariably answer "the customer." This would be followed by "our employees."

Nowadays, the answer is almost always "the shareholder." Customers are seen as nothing but a nuisance to take money from and employees are nothing but leeches who can be easily replaced.

In the olden days, you wouldn't ask a CEO, you would ask the owner of the corporation. And, while he was telling you about how much he cared about the "customer" he'd secretly be pulling all kinds of borderline illegal accounting shenanigans that would never see the light of day since it was a private corporation. Now that we have publicly held corporations, the process has been democratized. The public both gets to buy in to the company and become a part owner and we also get to see the books revealed publicly every single quarter. Say what you want about the olden days but the American consumer is much more informed today both as a customer of the corporation and as an owner.


I know, right? I mean it's not like we had publicly traded companies 30 or 40 years ago. Oh, wait...

You should read this and look at just how dumb you are...
Link
 
2012-08-07 08:23:48 PM

Rapmaster2000: Lord knows how much they used to get an ex of mine to spend on jeans there.


It's what pretty much killed Tower Records and why they could never push aside small record stores. They were never willing to pay to have employees who really new their stuff and could recommend stuff, tell someone what album some song was on and so on. Meanwhile the small stores were staffed with people who knew that stuff and could offer service Tower never could. So even if Tower records was three blocks away, people kept coming in through the door to spend money. Then there's the whole pricing issue. When a local retailer has better prices than a national chain on the same item, the chain may not be doing it right.
 
2012-08-07 08:23:48 PM

Gyrfalcon: grimlock1972: " in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed."

That right there is the biggest problem with America , big business is far to beholden to shareholders.

We need more Main street thinking and less Wall street thinking.

Putting Customers first will in the long run make more of a profit.

Big business wouldn't exist without shareholders. That's the whole point of a company going public. Normally, it works very well, since the more people who buy in, the more capital a business has to work with.

My next question here is, since this guy is the "CEO and founder", what percentage of stock does he hold, and how much of these endangered profits are going straight into his pocket. If it's a privately-held corporation and he's the sole shareholder...well...his protests suddenly become very interesting, to say the least.


I got no problem with going public unless pleasing the shareholders take precedent over customer satisfaction.
Both can be accomplished with out one suffering.
 
2012-08-07 08:24:10 PM

BojanglesPaladin: The list goes on and on.



Making up shiat does go on and on. Instead of copy and paste, how about you actually link to their proof?
 
2012-08-07 08:25:13 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Caterpillar, the world's largest construction machinery manufacturer by sales said it would increase its insurance costs by at least 20 percent, or more than $100 million, just in the first year of the health-care overhaul program.



I just fact checked one of those

Guess what?

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11099504/1/caterpillar-beats-raises-gu i dance.html

In addition, $90 million of the improvement was due to the absence of a tax charge from the first quarter of 2010 related to enactment of U.S. health care legislation.

Oops! Sounds like you buy into bullshiat scare tactic propaganda
 
2012-08-07 08:25:14 PM

Pincy: you are a puppet: Pincy: Thrag: They don't realize healthy employees are more productive employees?

They don't care. Their business model is set up for low-skilled employees with high turnover rates. They aren't creating career opportunities here. They are making pizza as cheaply as possible. The expect that most employees won't be there for the long haul.

Aren't their employees all teenagers who would be covered on their parents plans anyway? Like the two teenage girls who I presume were on their break smoking on the curb out front a few months ago, and when I walked by they stopped talking to each other and stared at me quietly with lust in their eyes? "Yep, still got it", I thought to myself as I began to look up age of consent laws on my phone.

Sure, some of them are, and some of them aren't. With Obamacare I suppose you could say this about anyone up to 26 years of age. But all that's doing is passing health care costs onto the parents or the parent's employer.

I guess I'm confused. Is business supposed to provide health insurance for its employees or not? I always kind of thought that that was the implicit agreement in our economy. I always here people say "get a job" when someone complains that they can't afford to go to the doctor because they don't have insurance. It seems to me that the "get a job" advice assumes that the job will provide you with insurance. But maybe I'm wrong.


Corporations offered health insurance because they get a tax break and its a competitive advantage. But there was no law or requirement that forced them to offer health insurance or retirement plans.
 
2012-08-07 08:25:25 PM
A local and very good pizza place delivers to my house. I already pay them about $10 more per pizza because they make good pizza.

Now I'll feel even more smug as I do it knowing Papa John is an a**.
 
2012-08-07 08:25:37 PM

Happy Hours: Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes.


Late to the thread, but I thought I'd address this. Papa John's uses mealy cheese, their sauce is too sweet, and the crust tastes stale. I'd ten times rather eat a Pizza Hut or Domino's pizza than a Papa John's. And I'm not a pizza snob; I prefer Pizza Hut marginally over Domino's, but I wouldn't turn either down.
 
2012-08-07 08:26:48 PM

TFerWannaBe: Dog Welder: Debeo Summa Credo: lacrossestar83: Oh well. It's not like they have real (Chicago style) pizza

I don't understand this argument - they're two different foods. No reason to compare.

But i have to say after spending several days in Chicago a little while ago I have to say real Chicago-style pizza is pretty awesome.

Lou Malnatti's sausage pizza is the best. They don't put little crumbled up bits of sausage on the pizza. They put a HUGE FRICKIN' SAUSAGE PATTY on the pizza. It's rather amazing.

Malnati's main ingredient is Win. I've been there a few times with a friend and I'm glad I have to travel to eat there - if they were local to me I'd get really, really fat.


If it makes you feel better, they'll over night ship frozen pizzas to you. It might cost, but you'll still have Lou Malnati's.
 
2012-08-07 08:26:57 PM

BojanglesPaladin: So whether we get unemployment or inflation, it will have a negative effect on the economy at a time when it is already struggling.


For most of those price increases will be trivial. Also, perhaps the should have been taking care of their employees in the first place, like you know, actual first world businesses. Also there's always option of just eating the cost.
 
2012-08-07 08:27:30 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: lacrossestar83: Oh well. It's not like they have real (Chicago style) pizza

I don't understand this argument - they're two different foods. No reason to compare.

But i have to say after spending several days in Chicago a little while ago I have to say real Chicago-style pizza is pretty awesome.


You went to Lou Malnati's, didn't you? That place converted me.
 
2012-08-07 08:27:36 PM

Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

WTF? Everyone hates on every single major pizza delivery service. It's pizza and they bring it to your door, It's not a gourmet meal and you aren't going to eat it in a nice restaurant where they refill your water glass every 5 minutes.


Well, we got a Wings, Things, 'n More (or something to that effect) near me. They deliver. Their pizza sucks, but their WINGS...Oh, by Sanguine their WINGS...and their absolutely HUEG onion rings... *drool*
 
2012-08-07 08:28:39 PM

BojanglesPaladin: And an increase in operating costs means either a reduction in hiring or an increase in prices.


Yes, surely those are the only two choices. I do enjoy how in your mind a reduction in profit is not even a possibility. Nope, it is only the false choice of increase in prices or reduction in hiring. No other outcomes are even conceivable.
 
2012-08-07 08:29:17 PM

WhyteRaven74: Rapmaster2000: Lord knows how much they used to get an ex of mine to spend on jeans there.

It's what pretty much killed Tower Records and why they could never push aside small record stores. They were never willing to pay to have employees who really new their stuff and could recommend stuff, tell someone what album some song was on and so on. Meanwhile the small stores were staffed with people who knew that stuff and could offer service Tower never could. So even if Tower records was three blocks away, people kept coming in through the door to spend money. Then there's the whole pricing issue. When a local retailer has better prices than a national chain on the same item, the chain may not be doing it right.


The local place always had a hot, cool chick working there too. What was up with that? Sometimes she would wear leather pants and my adolescent jeans would almost explode.

Anyway, it's not really pay per individual that goes into the equation but the amount of labor you staff at one time. I've read that Trader Joe's runs their labor this way. I think this is the secret of Chick-Fil-A's much loved service as well. I don't think McDonald's has the staffing levels to have people walking around the store and asking you how your meal was. They're too busy running back to the freezer for another case of fries.
 
2012-08-07 08:29:42 PM

intelligent comment below: BojanglesPaladin: Caterpillar, the world's largest construction machinery manufacturer by sales said it would increase its insurance costs by at least 20 percent, or more than $100 million, just in the first year of the health-care overhaul program.


I just fact checked one of those

Guess what?

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11099504/1/caterpillar-beats-raises-gu i dance.html

In addition, $90 million of the improvement was due to the absence of a tax charge from the first quarter of 2010 related to enactment of U.S. health care legislation.

Oops! Sounds like you buy into bullshiat scare tactic propaganda


Should also add that Caterpillar is raking in "record profits," giving their Board of Directors huge bonuses and raises, and simultaneously trying to destroy all of their unions and bust the wages of their employees downward. I wouldn't trust these greedy sacks of crap with anything that they say.
 
2012-08-07 08:30:31 PM

BojanglesPaladin: FYI, Papa John's is not alone is saying this.


Business's fight tooth and nail against any new laws, rules, or regulations. I expect them to biatch about the PPACA. Guess what - they are frequently wrong. Basically all you are doing is parroting right wing talking points. If you have something substantial to add to the debate - I'm all for it. So far you haven't added any.

/work for a health insurance company - have many opinions on the PPACA - for and against
 
2012-08-07 08:30:55 PM
And the amount of money we're throwing away because of taxes to take care of people using the ER as a first-line of health care defense will drop.

I really don't get why this is such a hard concept to grasp - we can either pay a moderate amount to cover everyone the right way, or we can pay an exorbitant amount to cover everyone using the ER as their only option.
 
2012-08-07 08:32:00 PM
 
2012-08-07 08:34:02 PM
Does this also mean that they will be dropping the cost of the pizza when their insurance carrier's Medical Loss Ratio kicks in, and they get a refund on their over paid premiums? Individuals are starting to see checks coming in, so I have to assume that employers with group plans are also seeing refunds.
 
2012-08-07 08:34:53 PM

Rapmaster2000: They're too busy running back to the freezer for another case of fries.


Funny you mention that, but McDonald's is actually particular about staffing levels. It may not be Chick-Fil-A but they do insist it is sufficient. What's funny is their previous CEO would once a week go to a local McDonald's put on a uniform and work a shift, putting together Big Macs, working the drive through, whatever there was to do. His feeling was that he couldn't run McDonald's well unless he actually not only saw how things worked at various locations, but experienced it himself. It can't be said that this a bad management idea.
 
2012-08-07 08:35:32 PM

gingerjet: BojanglesPaladin: FYI, Papa John's is not alone is saying this.

Business's fight tooth and nail against any new laws, rules, or regulations. I expect them to biatch about the PPACA. Guess what - they are frequently wrong. Basically all you are doing is parroting right wing talking points. If you have something substantial to add to the debate - I'm all for it. So far you haven't added any.

/work for a health insurance company - have many opinions on the PPACA - for and against


The larger a business is the more entrenched its procedures are and the harder they are to change. They'll adapt, but like everything they'd rather not take on any unpredictability or changes. That's really what this is about. The momentary adaptations open them to attacks by competitors.

Meanwhile, Komatsu and Kubota are pumping out equipment just fine in socialist Japan. Deere and Cat will get over it.
 
2012-08-07 08:36:03 PM

gingerjet: Businesses fight tooth and nail against any new laws, rules, or regulations.


Surely that can't be true? I thought everyone remembered how excited the automakers were to offer airbags on vehicles.
 
2012-08-07 08:36:51 PM
FTFA: "If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed." (bolding mine)

Here is what is wrong with America today. The only people who matter anymore are the precious share holders. Customers, employees, and product all bow down before the almighty shareholder. It should be your farking CUSTOMER you care about, and your PRODUCT you believe in that will make money for the SHAREHOLDER. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

And congratulations Papa John's, you've just made my ban list.
 
2012-08-07 08:37:29 PM
Every time I get a pizza from then, delivery takes somewhere between 1-2 hours. fark Papa John's. If it did taste good, it's all cold and terrible by the time I get it.
 
2012-08-07 08:38:11 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Without a doubt, ACA means increased operating costs for American businesses. And an increase in operating costs means either a reduction in hiring or an increase in prices. So whether we get unemployment or inflation, it will have a negative effect on the economy at a time when it is already struggling.


You're oh-so-conveniently leaving out the benefits of a healthier workforce, both to the business and society in general. I'm sure you simply forgot.
 
2012-08-07 08:38:30 PM
We should punish him by raising his taxes. Surely he won't pass that cost along, too.
 
2012-08-07 08:39:49 PM

paygun: We should punish him by raising his taxes. Surely he won't pass that cost along, too.


We should fear job creators (peace be upon them) and their ability to pass the cost of business onto the customer, and always tailor our laws to reflect their almighty power.

Buy Depends.
 
2012-08-07 08:42:10 PM

theorellior: I thought everyone remembered how excited the automakers were to offer airbags on vehicles.


Actually there were a few manufacturers who offered them before they were mandatory. Just as there were those who offered seat belts before they were mandatory.

paygun: Surely he won't pass that cost along, too.


If he tried to pass along paying an extra $10,000 to $20,000 in taxes, he'd deserve to be tarred and feathered.
 
2012-08-07 08:42:26 PM

Sgt Otter: I'm wondering if they factored in the increased productivity, due to less people taking less sick days due to increased access to preventative / early treatment, in their numbers.


No, that is one thing I am absolutely sure of.
 
2012-08-07 08:42:31 PM

gingerjet: Pincy: you are a puppet: Pincy: Thrag: They don't realize healthy employees are more productive employees?

They don't care. Their business model is set up for low-skilled employees with high turnover rates. They aren't creating career opportunities here. They are making pizza as cheaply as possible. The expect that most employees won't be there for the long haul.

Aren't their employees all teenagers who would be covered on their parents plans anyway? Like the two teenage girls who I presume were on their break smoking on the curb out front a few months ago, and when I walked by they stopped talking to each other and stared at me quietly with lust in their eyes? "Yep, still got it", I thought to myself as I began to look up age of consent laws on my phone.

Sure, some of them are, and some of them aren't. With Obamacare I suppose you could say this about anyone up to 26 years of age. But all that's doing is passing health care costs onto the parents or the parent's employer.

I guess I'm confused. Is business supposed to provide health insurance for its employees or not? I always kind of thought that that was the implicit agreement in our economy. I always here people say "get a job" when someone complains that they can't afford to go to the doctor because they don't have insurance. It seems to me that the "get a job" advice assumes that the job will provide you with insurance. But maybe I'm wrong.

Corporations offered health insurance because they get a tax break and its a competitive advantage. But there was no law or requirement that forced them to offer health insurance or retirement plans.


Ya, I know there was never a law requiring them to offer health insurance and I understand they get tax breaks, but yet many businesses do not provide health insurance for the majority of their employees. I'm not talking about what the legal requirements are, I'm talking about an implied social contract. At least it seemed to me that at one time there was an implied contract that business would provide health insurance. I realize today that this doesn't really exist anymore, but I think a lot of people have used this assumption to support their own political agendas. Such as people who oppose Obamacare and UHC. Their argument seems to be that we don't need to change the system because the system is fine as it is with the implication being that everyone should be able to get a job with health insurance benefits because that's what business does, it provides its employees health insurance.
 
2012-08-07 08:43:00 PM
Papa Johns blows....right along the lines of Pizza Hut and Dominoes. There is some thing wrong with the cheese....and they all have nasty sauce.
 
2012-08-07 08:44:00 PM

Jaws_Victim: FTFA: "If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed." (bolding mine)

Here is what is wrong with America today. The only people who matter anymore are the precious share holders. Customers, employees, and product all bow down before the almighty shareholder. It should be your farking CUSTOMER you care about, and your PRODUCT you believe in that will make money for the SHAREHOLDER. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

And congratulations Papa John's, you've just made my ban list.


Did he mention that he himself ownes 30% of those shares? One third of this benefit is to himself alone? Fark that turdbag!
 
2012-08-07 08:48:09 PM

CPennypacker: Do they really think people will buy less of their shiatty pizzas because of a 15 cent price increase? If you dropped 15 cents on the ground would you even stop to pick it up?

And if this is all it would cost, why the fark aren't they already doing it? Jesus!


Because the shareholders would scream bloody murder that that 15 cents wasn't going to them.
 
2012-08-07 08:49:23 PM

Surool: Jaws_Victim: FTFA: "If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed." (bolding mine)

Here is what is wrong with America today. The only people who matter anymore are the precious share holders. Customers, employees, and product all bow down before the almighty shareholder. It should be your farking CUSTOMER you care about, and your PRODUCT you believe in that will make money for the SHAREHOLDER. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

And congratulations Papa John's, you've just made my ban list.

Did he mention that he himself ownes 30% of those shares? One third of this benefit is to himself alone? Fark that turdbag!


I cannot wait for the French Revolution 2: Die Harder
 
2012-08-07 08:54:19 PM

sparkeyjames: Because the shareholders would scream bloody murder that that 15 cents wasn't going to them.


Considering Papa John's doesn't pay a dividend, there's nothing going to them in the first place.
 
2012-08-07 08:54:28 PM
ITT: "Hey remember when we talked about all that money businesses would save? LOL! You mean you believed that!? So what if most of the non-liberals said we were full of it. We now admit that it's going to cost businesses money and that's fine!"
 
2012-08-07 08:56:12 PM
"Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza, or 15 to 20 cents per order from a corporate basis," Schnatter said.

So we'll fire employees and jack the pizza a buck to prove how bad Obamacare is.
 
2012-08-07 08:57:27 PM
I'll say one thing; their thin crust pizza, baked well done, is pretty decent. Also, their garlic butter is nice.
 
2012-08-07 08:59:15 PM
The irony is that Papa John's shiatty attitude is gonna cost him more than giving health care to his employees ever would. If sales drop, expect it to be interpreted as a reaction to this obviously crushing price hike.
 
2012-08-07 09:03:07 PM

WhyteRaven74: sparkeyjames: Because the shareholders would scream bloody murder that that 15 cents wasn't going to them.

Considering Papa John's doesn't pay a dividend, there's nothing going to them in the first place.

"If Obamacare is in fact not repealed, we will find tactics to shallow out any Obamacare costs and core strategies to pass that cost onto consumers in order to protect our shareholders best interests," Schnatter vowed.


Whoever PapaJohn thinks his shareholders are they are obviously more important than his employees or customers.
 
2012-08-07 09:03:12 PM
I always figured that guy is/was a cokehead.

Especially his early ads -- he always had that "I'm gonna eat my own lips off" thing going on. Wouldn't be surprising, as the pizza chain industry is full of coke. Crazy and long hours, even (and especially) for the management...
 
2012-08-07 09:04:03 PM
So for an extra 20 cents per pizza, I get the knowledge that the guys making it can afford to go to the doctor and aren't going to be sneezing e. coli all over my pies?

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2012-08-07 09:08:22 PM
We need 5 more fast food places to come out against obama's policies. That way, conservatives can eat different fast food 7 days a week, die faster, and let everyone else enjoy the planet.
 
2012-08-07 09:12:52 PM
Oh, and if this douchenozzle has been holding out on healthcare for his employees for a freaking quarter per pizza, I'll be happy to give him a quarter right now.

/directed at his head, at high velocity
 
2012-08-07 09:14:46 PM
He must mean it will raise the price of "Papa John's greasy, cheese-covered cardboard products", because that shiat isn't pizza.
 
2012-08-07 09:15:57 PM
Oh well, no more Papa John's then. I actually liked them for a quick fix. I crossed the fundie nutjob's pie off years ago. And unlike the crappy chicken joint (which I never went to anyway), this guy actually lost a customer.

I guess we will both survive. But fark this guy.

I know, how brave.
 
2012-08-07 09:17:42 PM
Dear Papa John,

I tried your pizza once. Raise that by $11, or even $111 and provide hookers and blow, won't matter. Your pizza sucks. I do find it ironic that you through support to Mittens though, you know the architect of the very healthcare law you say will ruin you and kill innocent kittens. But I am sure with all the tax cuts you job creator you that everyone will be making a pizza by this time next year, amirite?

Yours sincerely,
Joe

p.s. your blog sucks too
p.s.s your pizza REALLY suck like large sweaty balls.
 
2012-08-07 09:17:55 PM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: As a consumer of Papa John's I will gladly pay the increased price in order to ensure your employees have adequate health care. In fact, just to help offset things, add an extra $.50 to the pizza and consider giving them something resembling a decent wage.


Apparently it's considered a decent job in this shiatty market. At least, our Papa Johns delivery guys are now underemployed contractors and would-be retirees instead of teenagers.
 
2012-08-07 09:19:26 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure someone will correct me even if I'm not) but isn't the increased cost of compliance something he can (and probably will) write of on his taxes?
 
2012-08-07 09:24:12 PM

intelligent comment below: violentsalvation: I actually pity you.


Is that what you dream when looking out into the real world from the short bus? All these smarter people you pity?


I don't know what the hell your deal is, you don't know anything about me and you are only quoting me now because I was one of many farkers who made you look like an idiot a few days ago. You'll get over it.
 
2012-08-07 09:24:14 PM
I've been boycotting papa johns since they stood behind the pizza guy who called the cops and child services on a medical marijuana user. And before then I never ate there either so... I'm gonna double boycott them now! booyahkasha!
 
2012-08-07 09:25:45 PM
Telling your investors that a law which you're opposed to by virtue of being a Republican douche will either A) cut into your profit margin or B) raise your prices in a competitive field TWO years before it fully comes into effect?

Bold strategy, Cotton, lets see if it plays out.
 
2012-08-07 09:28:19 PM
These guys probably saw the kind of brand loyalty you can get by backing republican causes/bigotry, they'll clog their arteries good and lose a limb to diabetes to stick it to the libs.
 
2012-08-07 09:28:52 PM
But then why is my health insurance company paying me a rebate?
 
2012-08-07 09:29:51 PM

Headso: These guys probably saw the kind of brand loyalty you can get by backing republican causes/bigotry, they'll clog their arteries good and lose a limb to diabetes to stick it to the libs.


Best of all, they will expect Medicare and Medicaid, the private companies, to pay for their care.
 
2012-08-07 09:34:55 PM

propasaurus: Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure someone will correct me even if I'm not) but isn't the increased cost of compliance something he can (and probably will) write of on his taxes?



I don't know what his circumstances are, but I and others in our company just got a letter saying that since the 80%-20% rule kicked in -- where Blue Cross actually has to spend 80% of their money on actual healthcare and not all those 36pg. magazines they mail talking about how great they are -- that our health insurance was going to go down and our employer is obligated by law to either increase the value of our coverage, or decrease our out-of-pocket. They just can't take the winnings and keep it for themselves.

I'm really surprised and thought better of the Papa CEO.. AFAIK, he started from the ground up to build this chain to what it is -- and did all the shiatty grunt jobs like roll breadsticks and chop veggies. You'd think he'd remember his roots and not be so aloof to his fellow employees.
 
2012-08-07 09:35:45 PM
If the customers can't easily afford a lousy 11-14 cents more then they should be cooking at home.
 
2012-08-07 09:36:01 PM

Happy Hours: FloydA: Happy Hours: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your pizza is more crappy than even that other asshats cardboard pizza

Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

Depends on where you live. Pagliacci Pizza in Seattle is excellent, for delivery pizza.

Major national chains are designed to be bland, flavorless glop, on purpose. Local places are almost always better.

Yeah, there's one great pizza place where I live but I can never remember the name and their prices are about 50% more than the major name brands and you only get one pizza for that price, not two. If you don't want cardboard pizza you gotta pay non-cardboard prices.


See, I have the opposite going here. We have a semi-local chain (northern area of Nevada, near Reno, and the adjoining areas of other states) that is real popular in the smaller towns, called Pizza Factory. Best way to describe it is with an example: about a few years ago I had some friends over for a Rock Band night, and we wanted some pizza. We called up the local Round Table (the only major chain joint in town) and tried to order two medium pizzas. The cost came out to over $40 with delivery fees, so we balked a bit and called Pizza Factory. For two larges with all the same toppings it was just over $20, under $20 if we went and picked it up ourselves. Not only that, the crust was better and there was more cheese. The only downside was it was slightly greasier, mostly owing to the additional cheese. I used to be hooked on the Smokehouse Combo from Round Table, until I discovered I could get the exact same pizza made by Pizza Factory in a larger size for less than half the price.

We do have our "gourmet" pizza places here, but even those are about the same price-point as major chains. The only catch is they don't deliver. I honestly can't think of a pizza place around that charges more per equivalent amount of food you get (as in you may pay $20 for a single pizza but good luck getting more than two slices down before you get The Itis).

Anyway, as far as John Schnatter's comments go, they're hardly what I'd call "Chick-Fil-A level". So he doesn't like the health care reform bill. A lot of business owners don't. I never had any illusions that these people were paragons of charity. Hell, unlike a lot of business owners he's not even being overly dramatic. Instead of saying "OH NOES WE'RE GONNA BE BANKRUPTED BY 0-BAMA'S SOSHULIZUHM" he's saying, very rationally, "I believe this will cost us more money, and we will pass that cost on to the consumer in the form of a minor price increase." THE FIEND, how DARE he make a business plan based on his estimation of future events?!

It'd be great if he was all for helping the common man, but I don't hate everyone who votes for "the other guy". Schnatter hasn't said he wants to disenfranchise an entire group of people based on who they love, hasn't said he's going to impede Obamacare, break the law, refuse to pay taxes, offshore his jobs, or even that he's going to stop recycling just to spite the hippies. He's just stated his belief in an economic argument that something under 50% of the population holds too. Whoopee, get over it.

Oh yes, side note, I do really like Papa John's pizza.
 
2012-08-07 09:36:18 PM

WhyteRaven74: relcec: nordstom is famous for the originating the customer is always right mantra

Actually Sears was pushing it before Nordstrom, and in any case the first retailer to promote such a policy was Wedgewood over 200 years ago.


I guess I meant taking returns of shiat they don't sell. taking it to an insane level.
I swear that happened in a petco, or petsmart two months ago, when I returned some pos cat contraption. the dude said they didn't sell those, and *what did the receipt say?*
I said *oh, this must have been bought at the other pet prefix mart.*
he said no problem, he can honor his competitors pos. I said huh? like nordstroms?
I was thinking *why the f*ck are you doing this?*
I'm still not gonna be able to tell you and petco/petsmart apart.
I have no way to differentiate them in my mind. they are identical. now I just know I can return shiat wherever I got it from to the one by the home depot.
 
2012-08-07 09:37:44 PM
The only thing worse than a Papa John's pizza is a Papa John's pizza with that nasty putrid extra salty garlic butter shiat on it.
 
2012-08-07 09:38:09 PM

Huggermugger: But then why is my health insurance company paying me a rebate?


Because you work for a company that provided it already. Obamacare appears to be a douchebag tax.
 
2012-08-07 09:39:26 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Well, the last thing I want is healthy people preparing my food.


Pure win
 
2012-08-07 09:41:18 PM

coco ebert: Make your own pizza. Seriously, I'm lazy as hell and even I can whip together a decent pizza in no time flat.


Calm down. No one sad you weren't lazy.
 
2012-08-07 09:42:04 PM

The Why Not Guy: BojanglesPaladin: Without a doubt, ACA means increased operating costs for American businesses. And an increase in operating costs means either a reduction in hiring or an increase in prices. So whether we get unemployment or inflation, it will have a negative effect on the economy at a time when it is already struggling.

You're oh-so-conveniently leaving out the benefits of a healthier workforce, both to the business and society in general. I'm sure you simply forgot.


It's much better for the economy to have millions of uninsured workers who don't seek medical attention until they're on death's door and unable to pay so the costs can be absorbed by everyone else. It's totally sustainable.
 
2012-08-07 09:42:42 PM

randomjsa: ITT: "Hey remember when we talked about all that money businesses would save? LOL! You mean you believed that!? So what if most of the non-liberals said we were full of it. We now admit that it's going to cost businesses money and that's fine!"


Hey, remember when Fark's Premiere cut-and-run coward, randomjsa, showed everyone that he cares more about pocket change than people and think its a patriotic way to think? That can go with his mantra of hoping for terrorist attacks on Obama's watch, asking "so how many less liberals are there" when Rep. Giffords was shot, and hoping for the sitting president to fail, regardless of how many people it may jurt in the process.
 
2012-08-07 09:42:48 PM

vernonFL: I would boycott Papa Johns if I didn't already not eat there.


And the bear tax is working so it's win-win all around!
 
2012-08-07 09:44:04 PM

doyner: Huggermugger: But then why is my health insurance company paying me a rebate?

Because you work for a company that provided it already. Obamacare appears to be a douchebag tax.


i.chzbgr.com

Won't somebody think of the douchebags!?!?!?
 
2012-08-07 09:51:04 PM
I can see the lights of the local Domino's Pizza from my back porch and they've gotten a ton better the last few years, so yeah ... I'll continue to not buy from Papa John's
 
2012-08-07 10:00:12 PM

DeltaPunch: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Well, the last thing I want is healthy people preparing my food.

[www.whosawesome.com image 560x448]


I don't know why, but that dog reminds me of Fred Ward.
 
2012-08-07 10:02:03 PM

sprawl15: You don't want a mouthful of Papa's warm cheese?


No sir, I do not.

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: He also said that the vibe Schnatter gave off was similar to the Girls Gone Wild guy.


Ding!

OhioUGrad: Why, you didn't like the commercial of him showing up at a house with pizza and partying with a bunch of high school aged kids?


I haven't seen that one. That's a surprise. That he would make such a commercial, is not.
 
2012-08-07 10:03:46 PM

propasaurus: Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm sure someone will correct me even if I'm not) but isn't the increased cost of compliance something he can (and probably will) write of on his taxes?


of course, but you still have to come up with the operating cash to perform it. if there is no money in the bank then what? well it is another cost that if you can't handle you go under.

another thing is it just lowers your income to *write it off*, it isn't a one for one deal like a refundable credit.
you essentially get to keep a percentage of that cost, not the whole thing, the size of the chunk you get to keep dependent on what percentage tax you pay.
it doesn't become free money because you mark it a business expense.

both sides bullshiat about the implications of business expenses.
many liberals act like there is no cost at all associated with something if it is a business expense, like oh you are writing it off, some federal guy hands you the cash back for it at some point.
asshole conservatives act like it is the end of the world when it isn't.
 
2012-08-07 10:04:52 PM

zarberg: I can see the lights of the local Domino's Pizza from my back porch and they've gotten a ton better the last few years, so yeah ... I'll continue to not buy from Papa John's

I feel really sorry for you if those are your only choices for "pizza". Where I live every town has 5 or 6 pizzerias where even the worst in town is better than that crap. In fact, I'm really not sure how Domino's even stays in business around here.
 
2012-08-07 10:05:26 PM
Is it just me, or does Papa John need to be at the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2012-08-07 10:08:43 PM
This article is LITERALLY the dumbest thing I've ever read. LITERALLY.
 
2012-08-07 10:11:58 PM

WhyteRaven74: Pincy: Because he must maximize profits for the shareholders.

That would be wrong.

They are in business to make profits for themselves and their shareholders.

Actually they're supposed to be in business to do business, profits are just part of what goes with that.

Gyrfalcon: Big business wouldn't exist without shareholders.

Sure they would. There are plenty of big corporations that are private and many corporations that have gone public only after becoming quite sizable.


Which is why I'm wondering what CEO And Founder Schitzelhead's actual stake in this is. Usually, large corporations with large numbers of minority shareholders--who are also consumers--don't go out trumpeting how much they have to protect their shareholders and how profits have to be kept up to protect their interests. (They should, but that's another issue)

So I'm very curious as to what CEO And Founder's percentage of stock actually is in his pizza company that's so anxious to pass the costs on to the public and let everyone know it--in the name of the shareholders. Is he the SOLE SHAREHOLDER? Is the company privately held and "the shareholders" means him and five family members? Anyone know or care enough to check? Because if the "profits" of the "shareholders" means "MY profits"...then his remarks carry even less weight than they did.
 
2012-08-07 10:14:37 PM

you are a puppet: Coco LaFemme: I just hope the CEO of Subway doesn't open their mouth any time soon. That's the only "fast food" I eat anymore. Starbucks isn't fast food, but whoever runs it better keep their mouths shut too. If I don't get my frappucino once a week, I go bonkers.

I basically only eat from the following chains:

Jersey Mikes subs
Firehouse subs
Chipotle
Willy Mexicana Grill
Moes Southwest grill
I also order subs from Publix.

All I eat from chains now are turkey subs and chicken burritos.

But maybe once a month I'll eat order pizza. A Marcos pizza recently opened here. I've also eaten Little Caesars in the past six months.

I used to eat Zaxbys but I'm tired of fries and a drink!

I am the most interesting man in the world.


Awesome
 
2012-08-07 10:14:43 PM
I'd gladly pay an extra f*cking 15cents so you can give you employees decent health insurance.

Actually I won't because your pizza sucks, but if I liked it, I would.
 
2012-08-07 10:19:02 PM
What I am hearing is that he could have been providing healthcare for under $.20 per order and hasn't done it. What an asshat.
 
2012-08-07 10:31:11 PM
Boyfriend just pointed out that their Q2 numbers came out in the last day or two and that they're staggeringly good- exceeding expectations. Also, that a significant chunk of that money is coming from overseas and is thus in no way impacted by the Affordable Care Act.

Basically, this is one more insanely wealthy corporation that's trying to make the case that in order to stay afloat, they have to pay their employees a wage that's below the cost of living and make sure they don't ever see a doctor.

How anyone thinks this is in any way compatible with a healthy society still continues to elude me.
 
2012-08-07 10:33:54 PM

Genevieve Marie: Boyfriend just pointed out that their Q2 numbers came out in the last day or two and that they're staggeringly good- exceeding expectations. Also, that a significant chunk of that money is coming from overseas and is thus in no way impacted by the Affordable Care Act.

Basically, this is one more insanely wealthy corporation that's trying to make the case that in order to stay afloat, they have to pay their employees a wage that's below the cost of living and make sure they don't ever see a doctor.

How anyone thinks this is in any way compatible with a healthy society still continues to elude me.


Ask randomjsa, he thinks money going to corporations is more important than healthy workers.
 
2012-08-07 10:37:05 PM

Bill Murray said I was weird: Genevieve Marie: Boyfriend just pointed out that their Q2 numbers came out in the last day or two and that they're staggeringly good- exceeding expectations. Also, that a significant chunk of that money is coming from overseas and is thus in no way impacted by the Affordable Care Act.

Basically, this is one more insanely wealthy corporation that's trying to make the case that in order to stay afloat, they have to pay their employees a wage that's below the cost of living and make sure they don't ever see a doctor.

How anyone thinks this is in any way compatible with a healthy society still continues to elude me.

Ask randomjsa, he thinks money going to corporations is more important than healthy workers.


What's really fun is that I assume most of the people that believe this way also don't believe in welfare, food stamps, or any other form of public assistance- and don't realize that in many ways, they subsidize companies that don't pay their workers a living wage.
 
2012-08-07 10:37:45 PM

Rapmaster2000: I bought a softball shirt at Goodwill in Greenwood, IN, in 1996 that says "Southeast Christian - Louisville Kentucky" in baseballish script. More than once people have expressed elation that I'm wearing the shirt. I tell them that I bought it at Goodwill. Their reaction is rarely positive.

It's cool to finally know more about said church. I rarely sport the ironic Ts anymore seeing that I'm 36 so it's buried in a drawer. Knowing that it's anti-gay makes the wearing even more ironic.


I don't know how big they were in 95 as I didn't live here then but now that place is huge. Also, please tell me you're a big flaming gay guy. There are thousands of people around here that go to that place so a great chance to piss them off would just make my day. Even if you're not just tell people you picked it up off the floor at a gay night club. That's priceless!
 
2012-08-07 10:37:49 PM
How DARE my pizza cost 11 cents more to help other Americans. How DARE it!

;this farking country is farked
 
2012-08-07 10:42:43 PM

Happy Hours: Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?


Blackjack has two things that I have trouble finding in other pizza shops, whether eat-in or delivery:

1) They slice their onions paper-thin so they cook completely and contribute a delicate flavor, unlike every other pizza joint around here that just chops them into big chunks that stay raw. I haven't had onion like that on a pizza since leaving New York, until I discovered Blackjack.

2) They offer minced garlic as a topping.

Whenever I have a miserable cold, I order a Blackjack pizza with onions, garlic, and whatever meat I have a hankering for that day. Yummy comfort food.
 
2012-08-07 10:44:17 PM

pciszek: Happy Hours: Is there any delivery pizza chain that doesn't suck?

Blackjack has two things that I have trouble finding in other pizza shops, whether eat-in or delivery:

1) They slice their onions paper-thin so they cook completely and contribute a delicate flavor, unlike every other pizza joint around here that just chops them into big chunks that stay raw. I haven't had onion like that on a pizza since leaving New York, until I discovered Blackjack.

2) They offer minced garlic as a topping.

Whenever I have a miserable cold, I order a Blackjack pizza with onions, garlic, and whatever meat I have a hankering for that day. Yummy comfort food.


Now I'm all hungry.
 
2012-08-07 10:44:48 PM

Bill Murray said I was weird: asking "so how many less liberals are there" when Rep. Giffords was shot


Just when I think I couldn't possibly think any less of randomjsa... whether troll or sincere, that's beneath contempt.
 
2012-08-07 10:57:47 PM

paygun: We should punish him by raising his taxes. Surely he won't pass that cost along, too.



If you think taxes are punishment then you must be a conservative
 
2012-08-07 10:59:28 PM

violentsalvation: because I was one of many farkers who made you look like an idiot a few days ago.



link to topic or GTFO

You are so dumb you can't even understand when you really lost an argument

I think it's amusing how you personally insult me then get your panties in a bunch when I return the favor though
 
2012-08-07 11:03:34 PM
Damn gubermint, forcing Papa John's to treat workers like valuable assets rather than regurgitated queefs.

[Jon Stewart holding finger to earpiece]: "What's that you say? You didn't want single payer system? Oh, then a big flaming bag of f*ck you, Schnatter."
 
2012-08-07 11:05:59 PM

NuttierThanEver: Papa John's = Derptard
Dominoes = founded by a prolife fundie nutjob
Godfather's = formerly run by Derptard
Pizza Hut = I don't know but they are the worst out of all the chains out there.

Make's me glad out of all the Pizza chains I could have worked for in college I wound up at Little Caesar's. Mr. Illitch by all reports is a nice guy, the family seems to be liberal but for the most part avoids talking about politics and he owns the Red Wings (my favorite team) and is trying to spend enough this year to get the Tigers into another World Series.


Yep. My cousin works for them (Tigers) and 3 kids who started out in HS at LC now own the franchise together. Still there nearly a decade on.

LC is also mentioned relatively well in Fast Food Nation. And while I always chose the 7 local option over 5 hot and ready, LC still has good for the price deep dish.
 
2012-08-07 11:07:20 PM
Everyone et al

We get it. You don't care what affect it has. No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs. No matter how many times businesses say it, or how many times it shows up on annual budgets, or stockholder meetings. But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter, or they are outweighed.

And you are free to sit at your computers and declare what other business can absorb, and tell them to suck it up, oblivious to the consequences. And ignore the fact that this is affecting nearly every single business in America. And it is a negative effect. In the middle of a floundering economy.

But hey! Why sweat the details? At least you can feel morally superior about how those eevil greedy capitalist get it stuck to them.
 
2012-08-07 11:08:28 PM

intelligent comment below: paygun: We should punish him by raising his taxes. Surely he won't pass that cost along, too.


If you think taxes are punishment then you must be a conservative


Hahahaha...

If you ride a horse and expect it to dance...you might be a Republican.

If you complain about illegal immigrants while employing one to make your breakfast...you might be a Republican.

if you wish the American car companies would have gone bankrupt in the same year you installed a car elevator...you might be a Republican.
 
2012-08-07 11:09:22 PM

intelligent comment below: paygun: We should punish him by raising his taxes. Surely he won't pass that cost along, too.


If you think taxes are punishment then you must be a conservative


And if you think higher taxes have to negative impact, you must be a leftist.
 
2012-08-07 11:09:46 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Everyone et al

We get it. You don't care what affect it has. No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs. No matter how many times businesses say it, or how many times it shows up on annual budgets, or stockholder meetings. But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter, or they are outweighed.

And you are free to sit at your computers and declare what other business can absorb, and tell them to suck it up, oblivious to the consequences. And ignore the fact that this is affecting nearly every single business in America. And it is a negative effect. In the middle of a floundering economy.

But hey! Why sweat the details? At least you can feel morally superior about how those eevil greedy capitalist get it stuck to them.


Umm...businesses are not absorbing it. As Papa John said, he is passing it onto the customer and will likely make a profit.
 
2012-08-07 11:10:27 PM
"Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza, or 15 to 20 cents per order from a corporate basis"

Can anybody explain the two numbers here? I'd guess PJ's orders average >1 pizza, so wouldn't the per order number be lower? Or is the key phrase "corporate basis"?
 
2012-08-07 11:11:16 PM
Here's the feedback I sent them:

I just read that your CEO was complaining that health care reform will raise the cost of your pizza by up to 20 cents per pie. Well, if Papa John's cooperates with HCR, I'll gladly pay two dimes more for my pizza. Hell, raise the price by 50 cents and let us know that's so you can comply with the health care law and provide your employees with health insurance. I'll bet most people wouldn't have a problem with that.

Citation: http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-r aise-pizza-prices-131331.html


Will probably be ignored, but what the hell.
 
2012-08-07 11:11:22 PM

intelligent comment below: violentsalvation: because I was one of many farkers who made you look like an idiot a few days ago.


link to topic or GTFO

You are so dumb you can't even understand when you really lost an argument

I think it's amusing how you personally insult me then get your panties in a bunch when I return the favor though


uninteligible comment below: "Communism like what the USSR and China called themselves were really far right military dictatorships"

Glutton for punishment? Seriously, f*ck off, and f*ck you. Put me on ignore if you can't move on. Or don't, whatever.
 
2012-08-07 11:13:12 PM

LordOfThePings: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza, or 15 to 20 cents per order from a corporate basis"

Can anybody explain the two numbers here? I'd guess PJ's orders average >1 pizza, so wouldn't the per order number be lower higher?


Oh, it is. I need some sleep. Never mind.
 
2012-08-07 11:13:14 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Everyone et al

We get it. You don't care what affect it has. No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs. No matter how many times businesses say it, or how many times it shows up on annual budgets, or stockholder meetings. But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter, or they are outweighed.

And you are free to sit at your computers and declare what other business can absorb, and tell them to suck it up, oblivious to the consequences. And ignore the fact that this is affecting nearly every single business in America. And it is a negative effect. In the middle of a floundering economy.

But hey! Why sweat the details? At least you can feel morally superior about how those eevil greedy capitalist get it stuck to them.


I'm just going to go ahead and assume you didn't actually read the posts here, because pretty much everyone here said they'd be willing to fit the extra nickel and dime on their bill that Obamacare will make them lose on each pizza.

Look, we get it, you don't want people to have healthcare. You value pocket change over people. There's no shame in admitting it apparantly, you have your hood buddy randonjsa saying just that. Just give in to your hate already.
 
2012-08-07 11:15:39 PM

BojanglesPaladin: We get it. You don't care what affect it has.


I have no idea where you came up with that conclusion. I care very much what effect it has, because it has a net positive effect on our society.

No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs.

Again, you're making things up. Nearly everyone here has accepted that ACA compliance is an expense. However, that expense is [partially - completely - more than] offset by benefits, and time will tell which applies.

But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter

I've given you every benefit of the doubt. Now you're just flat out lying.
 
2012-08-07 11:18:06 PM

gimmegimme: intelligent comment below: paygun: We should punish him by raising his taxes. Surely he won't pass that cost along, too.


If you think taxes are punishment then you must be a conservative

Hahahaha...

If you ride a horse and expect it to dance...you might be a Republican.

If you complain about illegal immigrants while employing one to make your breakfast...you might be a Republican.

if you wish the American car companies would have gone bankrupt in the same year you installed a car elevator...you might be a Republican.


If you champion national defense while consistently hoping for a terrorist attack to strike...you might be a republican randomjsa.

If you think America is the single greatest nation in everything while you worship a man who admits "I hope he fails"...you might be a republican.

this is addicting...
 
2012-08-07 11:19:52 PM

Bill Murray said I was weird:
Look, we get it, you don't want people to have healthcare. You value pocket change over people. There's no shame in admitting it apparantly, you have your hood buddy randonjsa saying just that. Just give in to your hate already.


Oh shut up if you have nothing better to say than some stupid made-up attempt at an ad hominim attack. It's just sad. I said nothing of the kind. I have paid 100% of our employee's healthcare for well over a decade now. Have you?
 
2012-08-07 11:24:12 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Everyone et al

We get it. You don't care what affect it has. No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs. No matter how many times businesses say it, or how many times it shows up on annual budgets, or stockholder meetings. But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter, or they are outweighed.

And you are free to sit at your computers and declare what other business can absorb, and tell them to suck it up, oblivious to the consequences. And ignore the fact that this is affecting nearly every single business in America. And it is a negative effect. In the middle of a floundering economy.

But hey! Why sweat the details? At least you can feel morally superior about how those eevil greedy capitalist get it stuck to them.


Excellent argument for a single-payer system and getting ourselves free from the insurance industry.
 
2012-08-07 11:25:19 PM

The Why Not Guy: BojanglesPaladin: We get it. You don't care what affect it has.

I have no idea where you came up with that conclusion. I care very much what effect it has, because it has a net positive effect on our society.

No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs.

Again, you're making things up. Nearly everyone here has accepted that ACA compliance is an expense. However, that expense is [partially - completely - more than] offset by benefits, and time will tell which applies.

But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter

I've given you every benefit of the doubt. Now you're just flat out lying.


You are supporting my comment. You believe the expense is no matter because you think the benefit eclipses it. Which is easy for you to say when it's not your pocket book. ACA does not reduce healthcare costs, it does not reduce premiums or reduce rate increases. It is an additional burden on business in a down economy.

But you are all OK with that. That is what I am saying.
 
2012-08-07 11:27:21 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Bill Murray said I was weird:
Look, we get it, you don't want people to have healthcare. You value pocket change over people. There's no shame in admitting it apparantly, you have your hood buddy randonjsa saying just that. Just give in to your hate already.

Oh shut up if you have nothing better to say than some stupid made-up attempt at an ad hominim attack. It's just sad. I said nothing of the kind. I have paid 100% of our employee's healthcare for well over a decade now. Have you?


And the whining commences.

If you don't want to be treated as an asshole, maybe you shouldn't act like an asshole.You tried to speak on the behalf of everyone in the thread, so I gave you the same treatment. And for your information, yes, since my business opened up, I have covered 100% of all my employees healthcare, something particularly important when one employee suffered a femoral hip fracture in his left leg. in early 2011.
 
2012-08-07 11:30:11 PM

BojanglesPaladin: And if you think higher taxes have to negative impact, you must be a leftist.



Can you translate that into English please?


violentsalvation: uninteligible comment below: "Communism like what the USSR and China called themselves were really far right military dictatorships"

Glutton for punishment? Seriously, f*ck off, and f*ck you. Put me on ignore if you can't move on. Or don't, whatever.



Figures you would post the link to that. You mean the entire topic where I schooled all you ignorant right wingers on the definition of left and right?
 
2012-08-07 11:30:37 PM
OK, so the consensus is either

1) we pay an extra 11 cents for a pizza prepared by someone who gets regular health checkups under "obamacare," or

2) we save 11 cents, but risk sickly people preparing our food.

Hmmmm.... tough call. Eleven cents or herpes-infested snot in my pizza?

You know what? I'm gonna side with the extra 11 cents here. Good on you, Obama. Nice work.
 
2012-08-07 11:31:42 PM

BojanglesPaladin: ACA does not reduce healthcare costs



citation needed

Especially since it doesn't take full effect until 2014

BojanglesPaladin: it does not reduce premiums or reduce rate increases.



citation needed

BojanglesPaladin: It is an additional burden on business in a down economy.



As if the current health care costs are completely affordable...

And citation needed
 
2012-08-07 11:32:57 PM

Bill Murray said I was weird:
If you don't want to be treated as an asshole, maybe you shouldn't act like an asshole.You tried to speak on the behalf of everyone in the thread, so I gave you the same treatment.


No. I was responding to all the people who had responded to my posts from earlier. Too numerous to list.

And while I applaud you for doing the right thing for your employees, only one of us has resorted to name calling and ad hominim attacks. Only one of us has been an asshole.
 
2012-08-07 11:33:28 PM

intelligent comment below: BojanglesPaladin: And if you think higher taxes have to negative impact, you must be a leftist.


Can you translate that into English please?


violentsalvation: uninteligible comment below: "Communism like what the USSR and China called themselves were really far right military dictatorships"

Glutton for punishment? Seriously, f*ck off, and f*ck you. Put me on ignore if you can't move on. Or don't, whatever.


Figures you would post the link to that. You mean the entire topic where I schooled all you ignorant right wingers on the definition of left and right?


No. You ignored everything we said and lost an argument against a couple middle of the road libertarian type folk and a few liberals. Now put me on ignore you wet brain.
 
2012-08-07 11:36:17 PM

BojanglesPaladin: You believe the expense is no matter because you think the benefit eclipses it


You are a liar.

I distinctly said it was too soon to know if the benefit would outweigh the expense. Here, let me refresh your memory:

However, that expense is [partially - completely - more than] offset by benefits, and time will tell which applies.

Oh and as for "ACA does not reduce healthcare costs" it's not meant to. If you don't know the difference between health care and health insurance, you have no business in this conversation.
 
2012-08-07 11:36:19 PM

violentsalvation: Kentucky Victory Fund


Oh yeah, good point. And a very healthy donation of 16,000 makes me wonder about his support of the Turtle and I wonder how conflicted he is.
 
2012-08-07 11:36:37 PM
FTA: Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza

OMG!!!! is 14 cents more per pizza really worth saving about 50,000 people's lives a year?
 
2012-08-07 11:44:13 PM
Really, if you think "Our pizza will cost 15 cents more" is a good excuse for millions to not have health insurance and let tens of thousands die every year because of lack of health coverage you should be hung in a public square by your testicles.
 
2012-08-07 11:45:46 PM

The Why Not Guy: Oh and as for "ACA does not reduce healthcare costs" it's not meant to. If you don't know the difference between health care and health insurance, you have no business in this conversation.


Read my post again. I listed both as separate items because they are separate items. And I pointed out that it does not address health care costs because that is the PROBLEM with this pile of garbage. I might be supportive of it if all this added bullshiat had a tangible benefit like, I don't know, curbing skyrocketing healthcare costs and/or reducing health insurance premiums. This was, after all, the terrible crisis that this legislation was supposed to protect us from.

Instead it does none of those things. Rather, it makes them worse (according to the CBO) and saddles businesses struggling in a down economy with even more costs.

The goals of extending healthcare to more people were certainly noble, but they did it wrong. ACA is a mountain of fail and secondary consequences.
 
2012-08-07 11:47:17 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: violentsalvation: Kentucky Victory Fund

Oh yeah, good point. And a very healthy donation of 16,000 makes me wonder about his support of the Turtle and I wonder how conflicted he is.


LOL.

He doesn't seem all bad if the Victory Funds are the same thing. His pizza still sucks.
 
2012-08-07 11:51:37 PM

violentsalvation: intelligent comment below: violentsalvation: because I was one of many farkers who made you look like an idiot a few days ago.


link to topic or GTFO

You are so dumb you can't even understand when you really lost an argument

I think it's amusing how you personally insult me then get your panties in a bunch when I return the favor though

uninteligible comment below: "Communism like what the USSR and China called themselves were really far right military dictatorships"

Glutton for punishment? Seriously, f*ck off, and f*ck you. Put me on ignore if you can't move on. Or don't, whatever.


From this and your comments in the thread you linked, I'd say you were being a jackass.
 
2012-08-07 11:51:50 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Read my post again.


Why? Will I see you admit you flat out lied about me saying the expense is no matter because I believe the benefit eclipses it, when in fact I said it's too early to know?

You're a farking liar. Why would I read your post again?
 
2012-08-07 11:55:56 PM

BojanglesPaladin: I might be supportive of it if all this added bullshiat had a tangible benefit like, I don't know, curbing skyrocketing healthcare costs and/or reducing health insurance premiums.


Putting 50 million on healthcare and saving 50,000 people's lives per year is no " tangible benefit"?

Or allowing 500,000 employs retire and opening up that many jobs because they no longer have to work just to be able to buy health care?
 
2012-08-07 11:58:20 PM

Elmo Jones: sprawl15: You don't want a mouthful of Papa's warm cheese?

No sir, I do not.

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: He also said that the vibe Schnatter gave off was similar to the Girls Gone Wild guy.

Ding!

OhioUGrad: Why, you didn't like the commercial of him showing up at a house with pizza and partying with a bunch of high school aged kids?

I haven't seen that one. That's a surprise. That he would make such a commercial, is not.


It's an older one, I think it was on last NFL season leading up to the coin-flip deal they did.
 
2012-08-07 11:58:34 PM

The Why Not Guy: BojanglesPaladin: Read my post again.

Why? Will I see you admit you flat out lied about me saying the expense is no matter because I believe the benefit eclipses it, when in fact I said it's too early to know?

You're a farking liar. Why would I read your post again?


If you don't want to don't. You are clearly more interested in shouting insults than having a discussion. You clarified your position. Fine. You don't know yet how the benefits balance. We done here? Good.
 
2012-08-07 11:59:34 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Everyone et al

We get it. You don't care what affect it has. No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs. No matter how many times businesses say it, or how many times it shows up on annual budgets, or stockholder meetings. But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter, or they are outweighed.

And you are free to sit at your computers and declare what other business can absorb, and tell them to suck it up, oblivious to the consequences. And ignore the fact that this is affecting nearly every single business in America. And it is a negative effect. In the middle of a floundering economy.

But hey! Why sweat the details? At least you can feel morally superior about how those eevil greedy capitalist get it stuck to them.


Higher worker productivity because they get healthcare rather than suffer through an illness, increased worker mobility so if you want to move jobs but can't because you're tethered to your job's benefits, as well as more money flowing through the economy rather than sitting still as more people head to the doctor, get meds, etc, well, yes, I think the small negative impact on business is worth the net benefits to society.
 
2012-08-08 12:01:38 AM

Corvus: BojanglesPaladin: I might be supportive of it if all this added bullshiat had a tangible benefit like, I don't know, curbing skyrocketing healthcare costs and/or reducing health insurance premiums.

Putting 50 million on healthcare and saving 50,000 people's lives per year is no " tangible benefit"?

Or allowing 500,000 employs retire and opening up that many jobs because they no longer have to work just to be able to buy health care?


You must have skipped parts of my post. I said that extending health care benefits was a noble goal. But they'd idiot wrong, and didn't fix the structural problems with the system.
 
2012-08-08 12:03:18 AM

BojanglesPaladin: The Why Not Guy: BojanglesPaladin: We get it. You don't care what affect it has.

I have no idea where you came up with that conclusion. I care very much what effect it has, because it has a net positive effect on our society.

No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs.

Again, you're making things up. Nearly everyone here has accepted that ACA compliance is an expense. However, that expense is [partially - completely - more than] offset by benefits, and time will tell which applies.

But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter

I've given you every benefit of the doubt. Now you're just flat out lying.

You are supporting my comment. You believe the expense is no matter because you think the benefit eclipses it. Which is easy for you to say when it's not your pocket book. ACA does not reduce healthcare costs, it does not reduce premiums or reduce rate increases. It is an additional burden on business in a down economy.

But you are all OK with that. That is what I am saying.


You know what? You're right! Everything is ruined forever. America sucks now. You should get out while you still can.

Need help packing?
 
2012-08-08 12:03:24 AM

BojanglesPaladin: If you don't want to don't. You are clearly more interested in shouting insults than having a discussion. You clarified your position.


Uh, my position was clear to begin with, because I stated it plainly. You decided to claim I said something I didn't, and I called you on it. You lied and you got caught. If that insults you, good.
 
2012-08-08 12:04:06 AM

BojanglesPaladin: Corvus: BojanglesPaladin: I might be supportive of it if all this added bullshiat had a tangible benefit like, I don't know, curbing skyrocketing healthcare costs and/or reducing health insurance premiums.

Putting 50 million on healthcare and saving 50,000 people's lives per year is no " tangible benefit"?

Or allowing 500,000 employs retire and opening up that many jobs because they no longer have to work just to be able to buy health care?

You must have skipped parts of my post. I said that extending health care benefits was a noble goal. But they'd idiot wrong, and didn't fix the structural problems with the system.


WHAT?

No you said it had no "tangible benefits" I listed just a few. So your stupid excuse is "it's not perfect so lets do nothing"?

Is what I listed "tangible benefits" or not?

The old system didn't work either so why go back to that? This system is at least better.
 
2012-08-08 12:06:01 AM

BojanglesPaladin: Corvus: BojanglesPaladin: I might be supportive of it if all this added bullshiat had a tangible benefit like, I don't know, curbing skyrocketing healthcare costs and/or reducing health insurance premiums.

Putting 50 million on healthcare and saving 50,000 people's lives per year is no " tangible benefit"?

Or allowing 500,000 employs retire and opening up that many jobs because they no longer have to work just to be able to buy health care?

You must have skipped parts of my post. I said that extending health care benefits was a noble goal. But they'd idiot wrong, and didn't fix the structural problems with the system.


No you liar. you Said ": I might be supportive of it if all this added bullshiat had a tangible benefit" that was only ONE example of any tangible benefit you gave as an example. I told you 2 and now you are trying to move the goal posts.
 
2012-08-08 12:09:54 AM
Corvus: So your stupid excuse is "it's not perfect so lets do nothing"?

No. I said nothing of the kind. As I said (which you must have also skipped) I would have supported ACA if it had solved the big problems with the previous system. What we got instead was a crapfest that fixed little, made much worse, but allowed more people into the farkedupsystem.
 
2012-08-08 12:11:43 AM

propasaurus: Sgt Otter: what_now: propasaurus: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza..."

Well, you're full of shiat, but ok, I'll bite:

I WOULD PAY AN EXTRA ELEVEN TO FOURTEEN CENTS TO STOP MY FELLOW CITIZENS FROM DYING OF EASILY PREVENTABLE DISEASES.

Because I'm not a farking sociopath.

I'm wondering if they factored in the increased productivity, due to less people taking less sick days due to increased access to preventative / early treatment, in their numbers.

My guess is, if they're saying it would be an 11-14 cent increase per pizza, that's probably due to a 3¢ increase for 'Obabamcare' and an 8¢ increase in profit that they'll blame on 'Obamacare.'


You mean like their "delivery charge" in which $0 goes to their drivers? Almost like the airline industry it seems...

/bitter because I delivered in college
 
2012-08-08 12:13:39 AM

BojanglesPaladin: Corvus: So your stupid excuse is "it's not perfect so lets do nothing"?

No. I said nothing of the kind. As I said (which you must have also skipped) I would have supported ACA if it had solved the big problems with the previous system. What we got instead was a crapfest that fixed little, made much worse, but allowed more people into the farkedupsystem.


nice trying to change the subject.

You didn't say this:

BojanglesPaladin: I might be supportive of it if all this added bullshiat had a tangible benefit


Then who said it?


Does it or does it not have tangible benefits?

If you didn't mean that then it should be easy to say otherwise.
 
2012-08-08 12:13:46 AM

BojanglesPaladin: No. I said nothing of the kind.


Aww, you don't like people claiming you said something you didn't? Odd. Didn't stop you from doing the same thing to me. I'm sure you have a complicated explanation in your head of why it's different when you do it.
 
2012-08-08 12:14:35 AM

BojanglesPaladin: but allowed more people into the farkedupsystem.


So having 50,000 a year not die because they now have health insurance you consider a bad thing?
 
2012-08-08 12:15:28 AM

The Why Not Guy: BojanglesPaladin: No. I said nothing of the kind.

Aww, you don't like people claiming you said something you didn't? Odd. Didn't stop you from doing the same thing to me. I'm sure you have a complicated explanation in your head of why it's different when you do it.


except i quoted him WORD FOR WORD but since I showed him he was being an idiot he is pretending he didn't say it.
 
2012-08-08 12:16:14 AM

dericwater: KyngNothing: Papa John's, rephrased.

We COULD give our employees insurance now, but that would cost us almost $.12 per pizza (I wonder what ingredient that compares to...), and our employees just AREN'T worth that much to us...

THIS^^^^

Starbucks offer full healthcare to their workers, even the part-timers. And a cup of coffee makes much less revenue than a whole pizza pie.


I'm guessing markup on Starbucks coffee is several hundred times what it is on a pizza. Markup on fountain drinks at the sandwich shop I worked at was 700%
 
2012-08-08 12:17:31 AM

kronicfeld: Cost of pizza goes up
Cost of health insurance goes down
Can't explain that


The cost of my health care* is going up, and my employer says to expect it to go up more.

* - actually, the cost of my health care won't change... I'll just be paying for everybody else's health care on top of it.
 
2012-08-08 12:17:54 AM

Sgt Otter: what_now: propasaurus: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza..."

Well, you're full of shiat, but ok, I'll bite:

I WOULD PAY AN EXTRA ELEVEN TO FOURTEEN CENTS TO STOP MY FELLOW CITIZENS FROM DYING OF EASILY PREVENTABLE DISEASES.

Because I'm not a farking sociopath.

I'm wondering if they factored in the increased productivity, due to less people taking less sick days due to increased access to preventative / early treatment, in their numbers.


You know how I know they didn't factor that it? Capitalism! Oh wait, isn't that supposed to be "because socialism?"
 
2012-08-08 12:19:58 AM

DrPainMD: kronicfeld: Cost of pizza goes up
Cost of health insurance goes down
Can't explain that

The cost of my health care* is going up, and my employer says to expect it to go up more.

* - actually, the cost of my health care won't change... I'll just be paying for everybody else's health care on top of it.


That's not how it works. The health insurance companies don't pay for the people who can't afford it. The people get subsidized by the government from the taxes on high income people. You are either being lied to or don't know what you are talking about. You ALREADY pay for people's helathcare that can't afford. Now at least they will pay for more of it then they previously did.
 
2012-08-08 12:20:11 AM

Corvus: except i quoted him WORD FOR WORD but since I showed him he was being an idiot he is pretending he didn't say it.


Oh I know. He's a piece of shiat liar.
 
2012-08-08 12:20:20 AM
...or I could, as a consumer, take my well-earned money to a local restaurant and support my community while patronizing an establishment that doesn't stamp its feet, scream, and hold its breath until it turns blue in the face over the prospect of actually having to treat its employees with a modicum of humanity.
 
2012-08-08 12:23:40 AM
I see so an employer to pay his workers so they can have their own healthcare is "socialism".

To have your workers sponge off government healthcare handouts or use the system and not be able to pay and pass those costs to others paying for healthcare is "boot strappy capitalism".



How the fark have people gotten so backwards?
 
2012-08-08 12:24:18 AM
Yawn.

Sorry you two. I have a strict no troll slap-fighting policy. I'm happy to have a calm, reasoned discussion even if we don't agree, but I have no interest in your brand of 'point scoring silly slapping'. Just bores me and I have a better use of my time. It is clear by now that you two are just looking to swap insults all night. No thanks.

By all means feel free to tell the room how you won or whatever. I'm sure everyone will be suitably impressed.
 
2012-08-08 12:25:08 AM

Corvus: That's not how it works. The health insurance companies don't pay for the people who can't afford it. The people get subsidized by the government from the taxes on high income people. You are either being lied to or don't know what you are talking about. You ALREADY pay for people's helathcare that can't afford. Now at least they will pay for more of it then they previously did.


Also, you get a check from your insurance company if they didn't spend 80% of their revenue on health care.

So if your company wasn't gouging you, you didn't get a check and you're now at the base level as everyone else.

If your insurance company was gouging you, you got or will get a check in the mail.
 
2012-08-08 12:26:12 AM
Though, on second thought, I'd bet farking cash this guy is saying this crap now of all times in hopes liberals boycott him so he can cry on Fox News, and get a "Papa John's Appreciation Day" to spike sales.
 
2012-08-08 12:27:25 AM

BojanglesPaladin: Yawn.

Sorry you two. I have a strict no troll slap-fighting policy. I'm happy to have a calm, reasoned discussion even if we don't agree, but I have no interest in your brand of 'point scoring silly slapping'. Just bores me and I have a better use of my time. It is clear by now that you two are just looking to swap insults all night. No thanks.

By all means feel free to tell the room how you won or whatever. I'm sure everyone will be suitably impressed.


So you refuse to answer my simple questions? Your going to run away like a pussy instead?

www.a2citychickens.com

Anyone showing you points to be wrong becomes a "troll" so you don't have to debate the points being made. Wow
 
2012-08-08 12:29:01 AM

BojanglesPaladin: I'm happy to have a calm, reasoned discussion even if we don't agree,


Oh please. This isn't about disagreeing. I have great conversations with people I disagree with all the time. You flat out lied about what I said, and you got caught.
 
2012-08-08 12:29:36 AM
Double yawn. But thanks for proving my point.
 
2012-08-08 12:30:15 AM
I have found this out if you ever try to get a FARK Independent to specifically state their position they run away because all their ideas are based on fictitious generalizations, so when you try to get them to get specific to show they are incorrect they all get scared and run away.
 
2012-08-08 12:30:16 AM

violentsalvation: Because People in power are Stupid: violentsalvation: Kentucky Victory Fund

Oh yeah, good point. And a very healthy donation of 16,000 makes me wonder about his support of the Turtle and I wonder how conflicted he is.

LOL.

He doesn't seem all bad if the Victory Funds are the same thing. His pizza still sucks.


I just usually pick from the best rated restaurant.

nerdspwn.com
 
2012-08-08 12:31:08 AM

DrPainMD: kronicfeld: Cost of pizza goes up
Cost of health insurance goes down
Can't explain that

The cost of my health care* is going up, and my employer says to expect it to go up more.

* - actually, the cost of my health care won't change... I'll just be paying for everybody else's health care on top of it.



your healthcare costs go up literally all the time, and the inflation beats CPI by a great deal.
and since if you are lucky they let you pay for before you even get sick,
you are always paying for the increases.
you pay for it in the form of big premiums and lost salary you would have gotten had you not been cursed with living in a dump where the government does everything it can to encourages your rape by healthcare industry.
 
2012-08-08 12:32:29 AM

BojanglesPaladin: Double yawn. But thanks for proving my point.


You called me a name first.

Why can't you answer my simple question?

Does "Obamacare" have tangible benefits or not?

Why are you so afraid to answer?

www.organicgardeningfarming.com
 
2012-08-08 12:33:39 AM

BojanglesPaladin: Sorry you two. I have a strict no troll slap-fighting policy. I'm happy to have a calm, reasoned discussion even if we don't agree,


How is my question "slap fighting"?

Does "Obamacare" have tangible benefits or not?

How is that unfair?
 
2012-08-08 12:36:11 AM

BojanglesPaladin: Sorry you two. I have a strict no troll slap-fighting policy. I'm happy to have a calm, reasoned discussion even if we don't agree, but I have no interest in your brand of 'point scoring silly slapping'. Just bores me and I have a better use of my time. It is clear by now that you two are just looking to swap insults all night. No thanks.


www.celebrities.com

Now I am making fun off you because you ran away like a scared pussy.
 
2012-08-08 12:37:59 AM

The Why Not Guy: Corvus: except i quoted him WORD FOR WORD but since I showed him he was being an idiot he is pretending he didn't say it.

Oh I know. He's a piece of shiat liar.


Ha I forgot on my fark description on him I had: (favorite: lies about stuff)
 
2012-08-08 12:39:15 AM

BojanglesPaladin: Sorry you two. I have a strict no troll slap-fighting policy. I'm happy to have a calm, reasoned discussion even if we don't agree, but I have no interest in your brand of 'point scoring silly slapping'. Just bores me and I have a better use of my time. It is clear by now that you two are just looking to swap insults all night. No thanks.


iruntheinternet.com

I like how you were the first to insult but then you blamed others.
 
2012-08-08 12:39:43 AM

FloydA: feffer:

Zeeks.

BTW, if you're ever out at Seward Park, try Flying Squirrel Pizza- they don't deliver, but they're great.


I'll have to try! I've never been to Seward Park. Nine years in Seattle and there are some things I can't believe I haven't done yet.
 
2012-08-08 12:40:51 AM
The middle class is going to end up funding rascals and diabetes medicine for the cockhammers downing chick fil a and papa johns dunked in ranch dressing because the gay and Obama is a blah person while rich dickballs get a tax cut.
 
2012-08-08 12:45:40 AM

Corvus: I have found this out if you ever try to get a FARK Independent to specifically state their position they run away because all their ideas are based on fictitious generalizations, so when you try to get them to get specific to show they are incorrect they all get scared and run away.


here's an idea.
the ACA is dogshiat.
We got it because obama sold us out to he healthcare industry.
We need single payer, but with democrats like you as the as the newest and biggest corporate whores, unwilling to criticize even the most f*cked up things your president does, we're stuck with dogshiat forever, or at least the forseable future. you daily praise a warmed over piece of dogshiat of a plan that the heritage foundation pumped out a decade ago. how dirty do you f*cking feel btw?

it doesn't even f*cking cover the f*cking poorest people in our society.
because obama had to make a deal to hand us all over to the insurance companies through the mandate instead of developing a public option. he personally vetoed the public option before negotiations ever began in congress.

then when he realized forcing people with absolutely no money to buy insurance might get expensive, and of course taxes are not an option, he though he would just force the states to pay for them all, instead of the federal government. of course he can't do that constitutionally, so because he is such a farking sellout and corporate dong gobbler now the poorest of the poor won't get healthcare.

along with ignoring the poor, costs are in no way controlled (which is why we are in this mess in the first place), and everyone with any money at all has to, by federal f*cking mandate, take it in the ass from the insurance industry from now until hell freezes over.

and you support this dogshiat, you mindless f*cking sychophant.
like that idea?
 
2012-08-08 12:47:38 AM

relcec: now the poorest of the poor won't get healthcare.


Actually that's not the case.
 
2012-08-08 12:49:09 AM

WhyteRaven74: relcec: now the poorest of the poor won't get healthcare.

Actually that's not the case.


yes.
 
2012-08-08 12:50:27 AM

relcec: then when he realized forcing people with absolutely no money to buy insurance might get expensive, and of course taxes are not an option,


So it doesn't raise taxes to buy health coverage? Do you want to go with that, or start back peddling now?
 
2012-08-08 12:52:18 AM
Multiply this across every product you buy. No big deal, right?
 
2012-08-08 12:53:09 AM

relcec: along with ignoring the poor,


So it has no coverage for the poor written into the law at all?

Why do I have a feeling you need to go to the gym soon?

Back peddling about to commence?
 
2012-08-08 12:54:01 AM

RobertBruce: Multiply this across every product you buy. No big deal, right?


No most companies already supply healthcare for their employees so it's not going to affect them.
 
2012-08-08 12:55:46 AM

relcec: WhyteRaven74: relcec: now the poorest of the poor won't get healthcare.

Actually that's not the case.

yes.


Why do you think that anyone who has any experience with your posts would believe anything you manage to type with that tiny brain of yours?

Give it up already. You've proven yourself incapable of providing anything even close to resembling a rational discussion time and time again.

Next up: You will call someone a farking idiot.
 
2012-08-08 12:56:52 AM

relcec: and you support this dogshiat, you mindless f*cking sychophant.


Good way to prove you use logic instead of name calling and anger.

bbsimg.ngfiles.com

By the way it is "sycophant".
 
2012-08-08 12:58:32 AM

Tor_Eckman: Next up: You will call someone a farking idiot.


Too late he already tossed that in. Probably knew we would already show him full of bullshiat so he wanted to get it out there first.

relcec: and you support this dogshiat, you mindless f*cking sychophant.


Also he needs a spell checker.
 
2012-08-08 12:59:06 AM
Papa John is lame. Uncle Enzo provided health insurance, and you were one of the family.
 
2012-08-08 01:00:16 AM

Corvus: relcec: then when he realized forcing people with absolutely no money to buy insurance might get expensive, and of course taxes are not an option,

So it doesn't raise taxes to buy health coverage? Do you want to go with that, or start back peddling now?


I'd like you to first address how you are partisan boot licker that now 100% supports a dogshiat fuched out heritage foundation plan that is actually THE WORST conceivable half assed attempt at *reform* imaginable and that is in fact mainly designed to insure healthcare industry profits instead of improve American lives that you would have literally hated had a republican introduced it.

/so obamacare gets its funding for the money it pays to the insurance companies to ensure fat profits from tax increases?
or does the new money we are now paying federally to ensure insurance company profits with this dogshiat bill almost entirely from medicare cuts and a few dollars from tanning bed taxes and a .01 increase of fica?
f*cking lapdog. you sicken me.
 
2012-08-08 01:02:16 AM

Corvus: relcec: along with ignoring the poor,

So it has no coverage for the poor written into the law at all?

Why do I have a feeling you need to go to the gym soon?

Back peddling about to commence?


massive amounts of the poor will go uncovered. do you dispute that?
 
2012-08-08 01:02:26 AM

Corvus: Tor_Eckman: Next up: You will call someone a farking idiot.

Too late he already tossed that in. Probably knew we would already show him full of bullshiat so he wanted to get it out there first.

relcec: and you support this dogshiat, you mindless f*cking sychophant.

Also he needs a spell checker.


But remember, he is "smarter than 99% of you assholes".

So he has that going for him.
 
2012-08-08 01:03:15 AM

Genevieve Marie: How anyone thinks this is in any way compatible with a healthy society still continues to elude me.


Liberals have got it all wrong. They think conservatives are stupid. Nope, just evil.
 
2012-08-08 01:03:37 AM

relcec: Corvus: relcec: then when he realized forcing people with absolutely no money to buy insurance might get expensive, and of course taxes are not an option,

So it doesn't raise taxes to buy health coverage? Do you want to go with that, or start back peddling now?

I'd like you to first address how you are partisan boot licker that now 100% supports a dogshiat fuched out heritage foundation plan that is actually THE WORST conceivable half assed attempt at *reform* imaginable and that is in fact mainly designed to insure healthcare industry profits instead of improve American lives that you would have literally hated had a republican introduced it.

/so obamacare gets its funding for the money it pays to the insurance companies to ensure fat profits from tax increases?
or does the new money we are now paying federally to ensure insurance company profits with this dogshiat bill almost entirely from medicare cuts and a few dollars from tanning bed taxes and a .01 increase of fica?
f*cking lapdog. you sicken me.


Sorry did you answer my questions?

So it doesn't raise taxes to buy health coverage?



BACK PEDDLING HAS COMMENCED!!!!

www.southwesterndifference.com
 
2012-08-08 01:05:06 AM

gimmegimme: BojanglesPaladin: Everyone et al

We get it. You don't care what affect it has. No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs. No matter how many times businesses say it, or how many times it shows up on annual budgets, or stockholder meetings. But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter, or they are outweighed.

And you are free to sit at your computers and declare what other business can absorb, and tell them to suck it up, oblivious to the consequences. And ignore the fact that this is affecting nearly every single business in America. And it is a negative effect. In the middle of a floundering economy.

But hey! Why sweat the details? At least you can feel morally superior about how those eevil greedy capitalist get it stuck to them.

Umm...businesses are not absorbing it. As Papa John said, he is passing it onto the customer and will likely make a profit.


I'm not even sure what he's trying to say. It's only been acknowledged about a hundred times on this thread that it's KNOWN Obamacare will likely raise prices and most people gladly accept it as the price of making sure some person with untreated TB isn't making my pizza. And will likely be offset in the long run by decreased expenditures in things like workman's comp outlays, employee turnover, and missed work due to unpaid sick days.

But Mr. Bojangles apparently believes that anything which impacts the bottom line is de facto bad. And that we're only pushing universal health care to be mean to those poor business owners.
 
2012-08-08 01:05:54 AM

relcec: Corvus: relcec: along with ignoring the poor,

So it has no coverage for the poor written into the law at all?

Why do I have a feeling you need to go to the gym soon?

Back peddling about to commence?

massive amounts of the poor will go uncovered. do you dispute that?


That was NOT THE QUESTION. Why do you refuse to ANSWER THE QUESTION?

So then unless we cover 100% of the poor you are against it?
 
2012-08-08 01:08:27 AM

relcec: Corvus: relcec: then when he realized forcing people with absolutely no money to buy insurance might get expensive, and of course taxes are not an option,

So it doesn't raise taxes to buy health coverage? Do you want to go with that, or start back peddling now?

I'd like you to first address how you are partisan boot licker that now 100% supports a dogshiat fuched out heritage foundation plan that is actually THE WORST conceivable half assed attempt at *reform* imaginable and that is in fact mainly designed to insure healthcare industry profits instead of improve American lives that you would have literally hated had a republican introduced it.

/so obamacare gets its funding for the money it pays to the insurance companies to ensure fat profits from tax increases?
or does the new money we are now paying federally to ensure insurance company profits with this dogshiat bill almost entirely from medicare cuts and a few dollars from tanning bed taxes and a .01 increase of fica?
f*cking lapdog. you sicken me.


So are you back peddling or admitting you were wrong?

You said it "was not an option". Was that a true statement or not?
Are taxes being raised like you implied "was not an option"?

craziestgadgets.com
 
2012-08-08 01:09:06 AM

Pincy: Thrag: They don't realize healthy employees are more productive employees?

They don't care. Their business model is set up for low-skilled employees with high turnover rates. They aren't creating career opportunities here. They are making pizza as cheaply as possible. The expect that most employees won't be there for the long haul.


Why do you think the last two big biatches about health care have been "B-level celebrities" in the pizza market.

The big businesses never enter into it, because they're already providing health care, so it doesn't make make as massive an impact as 10 cents per 10 dollars of pizza.

But don't get me wrong, they still want a Republican in the White House, because it means they can worry less about taxes on profits AFTER expenses. Income taxes don't affect a business losing money.

Republicans are scum, and every business that needs expendable income should be against them for their own best interest. The problem is the "shareholders" only look 2 quarters into the future. They're not only killing us, they're killing themselves and they don't even know it. I can't count the number of fuking retards that dropped out off engineering because it was "too hard" to go into business. This is basic game theory. Corporations are in a prisoners dilemma - fark their employees harder than the other corporation, but if they fark them too much, no one is left to buy their product.

Unfortunately this is relatively simple mathematical concept for non-retards, but these guys can't do simple math. Why do think a CEO stated "This will cost you 15 cents a pizza!" like that would be some scary Mad Max scenario?

These fuksticks aren't running things because they know WTF is going on, they're doing it because they can't make money doing something they love, so they make money fuking other people over. And because they hate what they do, they have to justify it by thinking they're just "better than other people.

QED
 
2012-08-08 01:09:50 AM

relcec: Corvus: relcec: along with ignoring the poor,

So it has no coverage for the poor written into the law at all?

Why do I have a feeling you need to go to the gym soon?

Back peddling about to commence?

massive amounts of the poor will go uncovered. do you dispute that?


Unlike you I will answer question. Yes many poor will not be covered. But MORE will be covered then before.

So I answered your question now are you going to answer are keep running away from your BS statements?
 
2012-08-08 01:11:40 AM

James F. Campbell: Genevieve Marie: How anyone thinks this is in any way compatible with a healthy society still continues to elude me.

Liberals have got it all wrong. They think conservatives are stupid. Nope, just evil.


About 70% are stupid and 70% are evil. there is overlap.
 
2012-08-08 01:16:49 AM

Corvus: relcec: Corvus: relcec: then when he realized forcing people with absolutely no money to buy insurance might get expensive, and of course taxes are not an option,

So it doesn't raise taxes to buy health coverage? Do you want to go with that, or start back peddling now?

I'd like you to first address how you are partisan boot licker that now 100% supports a dogshiat fuched out heritage foundation plan that is actually THE WORST conceivable half assed attempt at *reform* imaginable and that is in fact mainly designed to insure healthcare industry profits instead of improve American lives that you would have literally hated had a republican introduced it.

/so obamacare gets its funding for the money it pays to the insurance companies to ensure fat profits from tax increases?
or does the new money we are now paying federally to ensure insurance company profits with this dogshiat bill almost entirely from medicare cuts and a few dollars from tanning bed taxes and a .01 increase of fica?
f*cking lapdog. you sicken me.

Sorry did you answer my questions?

So it doesn't raise taxes to buy health coverage?


BACK PEDDLING HAS COMMENCED!!!!

[www.southwesterndifference.com image 272x256]


if someone argued it raised taxes you would arguing it was only 1% of fica, for the super rich, and a tanning bed surcharge.

you can't argue the substance of what I offered, which is the ACA is the most f*cked out bill imaginable. so you dig in around the edges. I WAS WRONG. a little bit of taxes are raised. the vast majority of the money comes from medicare cuts though.

do you really think this helps whatever f*cking argument you are trying to make though? no, because you can't argue you are a boot licking little party douche that would support obama taking a dump on your bed and kicking your dog 15 feet. you can't argue this isn't absolutely the worst bill imaginable, a hunk of dogshiat the heritage foundation came up with 15 years ago because they knew sane liberals would never go for it, because you know it is absolutely true.

now address this:
anything else would have been better. just forcing the insurance companies to offer community rating and guaranteed issue would have been enormously better. a public option would have been 100x better than that. but we couldn't have that, because your president is corporate whore who sold us out like no president has in the over two centuries of our prior history.

the vast vast vast majority of the money the federal government will no pay to ensure fat profitability for the insurance insurance industry comes from savings from medicare cuts. your devotion to political party leaders instead of ideals above all else is why liberalism is dead in the democrat party. people like you are why no one listens to the good things progressives have to offer this country. you drown them out in the only party available to them with your undying love of dear leader.
 
2012-08-08 01:19:05 AM

violentsalvation: No. You ignored everything we said and lost an argument against a couple middle of the road libertarian type folk and a few liberals. Now put me on ignore you wet brain.



That's ironic since all your positions in the argument went something like

"The political LEFT has nothing to do with liberalism"

and other fine ignorant opinions.

Considering I went through each and every one of your ridiculous points one by one and proved them wrong with citations and facts while all you idiot right wingers could do was circle jerk and insult me, this is just more proof at how unattached you are to reality

Keep believing you "won" though, it's amusing but also scary if you ever procreate
 
2012-08-08 01:19:44 AM

Petit_Merdeux: Nabb1: He's just stating the obvious.

If I was a CEO, I wouldn't "vow" to pass on the cost to my customers. I would "grudgingly" pass them on, or "regretfully" pass them on.

Unless I was a raging farkwad who thought my customers were worthless vermin.


Hell, it's not even TRUE. The "pass the cost on" canard is largely a myth and a rather insulting one. Companies charge as much as they can, it's how they make a profit. When costs suddenly rise prices CAN'T suddenly go up because they got to where they are for a reason. When ALL Papa John's competitors go up, so will Papa John's, but at the same time any corp that manages to avoid it is going to steal some of their market share.

And if this pitlicker can donate farktons of money to Romney, he can afford to give his employees decent healthcare, but hey we live in a trickle-up society, so if he throws 100 million down a hole called the Romney Campaign he'll still get it back because rich people can buy more money.
 
2012-08-08 01:20:59 AM

relcec: Corvus: relcec: Corvus: relcec: then when he realized forcing people with absolutely no money to buy insurance might get expensive, and of course taxes are not an option,

So it doesn't raise taxes to buy health coverage? Do you want to go with that, or start back peddling now?

I'd like you to first address how you are partisan boot licker that now 100% supports a dogshiat fuched out heritage foundation plan that is actually THE WORST conceivable half assed attempt at *reform* imaginable and that is in fact mainly designed to insure healthcare industry profits instead of improve American lives that you would have literally hated had a republican introduced it.

/so obamacare gets its funding for the money it pays to the insurance companies to ensure fat profits from tax increases?
or does the new money we are now paying federally to ensure insurance company profits with this dogshiat bill almost entirely from medicare cuts and a few dollars from tanning bed taxes and a .01 increase of fica?
f*cking lapdog. you sicken me.

Sorry did you answer my questions?

So it doesn't raise taxes to buy health coverage?


BACK PEDDLING HAS COMMENCED!!!!

[www.southwesterndifference.com image 272x256]

if someone argued it raised taxes you would arguing it was only 1% of fica, for the super rich, and a tanning bed surcharge.

you can't argue the substance of what I offered, which is the ACA is the most f*cked out bill imaginable. so you dig in around the edges. I WAS WRONG. a little bit of taxes are raised. the vast majority of the money comes from medicare cuts though.

do you really think this helps whatever f*cking argument you are trying to make though? no, because you can't argue you are a boot licking little party douche that would support obama taking a dump on your bed and kicking your dog 15 feet. you can't argue this isn't absolutely the worst bill imaginable, a hunk of dogshiat the heritage foundation came up with 15 years ago because they knew sane liberals would neve ...


Are you going to answer my question or keep dodging and back peddling?

I already answered your question you refused to answer mine:

DID OBAMACARE RAISE TAXES TO COVER MORE PEOPLE?

You said it was "not an option".

How can we discuss something in general unless we can discuss the specific points of it?

This seems 100% true:

Corvus: I have found this out if you ever try to get a FARK Independent to specifically state their position they run away because all their ideas are based on fictitious generalizations, so when you try to get them to get specific to show they are incorrect they all get scared and run away.


That's exactly what you are doing.
 
2012-08-08 01:22:23 AM

North_Central_Positronics: Wow, these asshat CEO-types just keep talking their way right out of my wallet.


THIS
 
2012-08-08 01:22:42 AM

relcec: anything else would have been better.


So rounding up people and gunning them down would be better?

See you are just as bad as the Tea Party right wingers. shiat comes out of you mouth that makes no sense. You refuse to have a sensible discussion about things. When are are shown you talking points are wrong you move goal posts and shout insults.
 
2012-08-08 01:25:08 AM

relcec: We need single payer



So you want Obama and the Democrats to disassemble private enterprise and institute a massive socialist policy? And you think that they are perfectly capable of pulling this off? You must be on some crazy drugs right now
 
2012-08-08 01:25:36 AM

relcec: do you really think this helps whatever f*cking argument you are trying to make though? no, because you can't argue you are a boot licking little party douche that would support obama taking a dump on your bed and kicking your dog 15 feet. you can't argue this isn't absolutely the worst bill imaginable, a hunk of dogshiat the heritage foundation came up with 15 years ago because they knew sane liberals would never go for it, because you know it is absolutely true.


4.bp.blogspot.com

I'm laughing this is fun.

Serious I get pissed off at right wingers who don't tell Tea Party nut balls they are crazy, You are crazy. You are a left wing version of Tea party crazy. Take deep breaths and theink rationally not "I DIDN"T GET WHAT I WANT SO I AM GOING TO SCREAM LIKE A BABY THROWING A TANTRUM!!!!"
 
2012-08-08 01:27:22 AM

relcec: if someone argued it raised taxes you would arguing it was only 1% of fica, for the super rich, and a tanning bed surcharge.

you can't argue the substance of what I offered, which is the ACA is the most f*cked out bill imaginable. so you dig in around the edges. I WAS WRONG. a little bit of taxes are raised. the vast majority of the money comes from medicare cuts though.

do you really think this helps whatever f*cking argument you are trying to make though? no, because you can't argue you are a boot licking little party douche that would support obama taking a dump on your bed and kicking your dog 15 feet. you can't argue this isn't absolutely the worst bill imaginable, a hunk of dogshiat the heritage foundation came up with 15 years ago because they knew sane liberals would never go for it, because you know it is absolutely true.

now address this:
anything else would have been better. just forcing the insurance companies to offer community rating and guaranteed issue would have been enormously better. a public option would have been 100x better than that. but we couldn't have that, because your president is corporate whore who sold us out like no president has in the over two centuries of our prior history.

the vast vast vast majority of the money the federal government will no pay to ensure fat profitability for the insurance insurance industry comes from savings from medicare cuts. your devotion to political party leaders instead of ideals above all else is why liberalism is dead in the democrat party. people like you are why no one listens to the good things progressives have to offer this country. you drown them out in the only party available to them with your undying love of dear leader.



The more angry you get, the more you appear as skullkrusher

That would also explain the person insults earlier and the threats of putting me on ignore
 
2012-08-08 01:29:13 AM

intelligent comment below: relcec: We need single payer


So you want Obama and the Democrats to disassemble private enterprise and institute a massive socialist policy? And you think that they are perfectly capable of pulling this off? You must be on some crazy drugs right now


I would love guys like him to be a football couch.

QB: "What play couch? Maybe a short pass or a running play?"

Couch shiathead "No those don;t score touch downs we only play to score touchdowns!!! So toss it into the endzone!"

QB: "But we are on our own 5 yard line?"

Couch shiathead "Moving the ball down field isn't worth any points. Throw the ball into the end zone every play".

I mean this is what they think. They want some delusional world that works like they want it to and not have to deal with reality, compromise or being patient.
 
2012-08-08 01:29:55 AM

intelligent comment below: The more angry you get, the more you appear as skullkrusher


Heh

You get a fav, for that.
 
2012-08-08 01:42:06 AM

propasaurus: Romney/Papa 2012


I don't know what shape he's in, but Tom Monaghan isn't doing much and is more Catholic than the Pope.

/Domino's Founder.
 
2012-08-08 01:44:35 AM

Corvus: relcec: Corvus: relcec: along with ignoring the poor,

So it has no coverage for the poor written into the law at all?

Why do I have a feeling you need to go to the gym soon?

Back peddling about to commence?

massive amounts of the poor will go uncovered. do you dispute that?

That was NOT THE QUESTION. Why do you refuse to ANSWER THE QUESTION?

So then unless we cover 100% of the poor you are against it?


I had two requirements.

1) this once in a generation healthcare reform bill could not be a corporate cock sucking extravaganza that only further entrenched the healthcare industry making it almost impossible for this country while I'm still alive to get real single payer healthcare for everyone like the rest of the industrialized world.

it failed f*cking miserably. the bill actually reads as if it was designed to enrich already filthy rich interests, various corporate shareholders, and secure this f*cked out system that causes so much pain as the status quo forever.

2) it had to do something, anything, significant and tangible to lower control costs going forward.

it failed f*cking miserably. the bill reads like some guy who was on the moon for the last 50 years and didn't know what is killing this country is medical inflation actually wrote it. or now that I think about, it also reads like what the insurance companies and hospitals would write if they had a chance.

that was it. two things. two simple things any legislator who gave a f*ck about americans instead of corporations would have done. I would have supported literally anything as long as it did those things, which is really just to do one thing, and to refrain from doing something else. anyway, not in there somehow.

yeah shocking, I know.
somehow, the only thing that really really needed to be in there wasn't.
the only thing that even over the medium term has any chance to solve any of the myriad symptoms (from portability, to affordability, to prex) that arise over was not in there (COST CONTROL) and the only thing that providers and insurers absolutely would not allow to be in there was not want in there (COST CONTROL).

I mean, what are the odds we would get so badly sold out by our president that promised so much?
America, f*cked again.
and I don't even blame him.

I blame the spineless corporate bootlicking f*cks like you who don't actually have any philosophy, or ideology, or even any independent ideas whatsoever.

pricks like you that support these douche bags like they were a god damn high school football team.

bootlicking sycophants like you that promised a man, our president, your fealty NO MATTER WHAT HE COULD POSSIBLY DO.

people like you are really why we can't have nice things.


/and let me ask you the same question.
//was there any possible bill obama could have put forward that you wouldn't have supported?
oh, right, as long as it was his plan, you'd support anything.
 
2012-08-08 01:49:41 AM

Corvus: So it doesn't raise taxes to buy health coverage?


BACK PEDDLING HAS COMMENCED!!!!

[www.southwesterndifference.com image 272x256]

if someone argued it raised taxes you would arguing it was only 1% of fica, for the super rich, and a tanning bed surcharge.

you can't argue the substance of what I offered, which is the ACA is the most f*cked out bill imaginable. so you dig in around the edges. I WAS WRONG. a little bit of taxes are raised. the vast majority of the money comes from medicare cuts though.

do you really think this helps whatever f*cking argument you are trying to make though? no, because you can't argue you are a boot licking little party douche that would support obama taking a dump on your bed and kicking your dog 15 feet. you can't argue this isn't absolutely the worst bill imaginable, a hunk of dogshiat the heritage foundation came up with 15 years ago because they knew sane liberals would neve ...

Are you going to answer my question or keep dodging and back peddling?


look again retard.
 
2012-08-08 01:52:09 AM

Corvus: relcec: anything else would have been better.

So rounding up people and gunning them down would be better?

See you are just as bad as the Tea Party right wingers. shiat comes out of you mouth that makes no sense. You refuse to have a sensible discussion about things. When are are shown you talking points are wrong you move goal posts and shout insults.


really?
 
2012-08-08 01:52:09 AM
Remember the days when openly calling someone a 'retard' would get a poster a time out?
 
2012-08-08 01:52:44 AM

propasaurus: Remember the days when openly calling someone a 'retard' would get a poster a time out?


I can't imagine that world.
 
2012-08-08 01:54:14 AM

intelligent comment below: violentsalvation: No. You ignored everything we said and lost an argument against a couple middle of the road libertarian type folk and a few liberals. Now put me on ignore you wet brain.


That's ironic since all your positions in the argument went something like

"The political LEFT has nothing to do with liberalism"

and other fine ignorant opinions.

Considering I went through each and every one of your ridiculous points one by one and proved them wrong with citations and facts while all you idiot right wingers could do was circle jerk and insult me, this is just more proof at how unattached you are to reality

Keep believing you "won" though, it's amusing but also scary if you ever procreate


i798.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-08 01:55:03 AM

relcec: propasaurus: Remember the days when openly calling someone a 'retard' would get a poster a time out?

I can't imagine that world.


Of course not. The rules don't apply to everyone.
 
2012-08-08 02:08:54 AM

BojanglesPaladin: Bill Murray said I was weird:
Look, we get it, you don't want people to have healthcare. You value pocket change over people. There's no shame in admitting it apparantly, you have your hood buddy randonjsa saying just that. Just give in to your hate already.

Oh shut up if you have nothing better to say than some stupid made-up attempt at an ad hominim attack. It's just sad. I said nothing of the kind. I have paid 100% of our employee's healthcare for well over a decade now. Have you?


Well, if you can do it then why can't PapaJohns and other businesses?
 
2012-08-08 02:12:21 AM

intelligent comment below: relcec: We need single payer


So you want Obama and the Democrats to disassemble private enterprise and institute a massive socialist policy? And you think that they are perfectly capable of pulling this off? You must be on some crazy drugs right now


Ya, it's not like there are any other examples of how this could work anywhere else in the world.

Sheesh
 
2012-08-08 02:19:16 AM

Corvus: James F. Campbell: Genevieve Marie: How anyone thinks this is in any way compatible with a healthy society still continues to elude me.

Liberals have got it all wrong. They think conservatives are stupid. Nope, just evil.

About 70% are stupid and 70% are evil. there is overlap.


Less than a week ago, Chick-fil-A set sales records on "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day" and proved throwing red meat to the slavering masses is exorbitantly profitable. Now, "Papa John" is "making his beliefs heard" on the other conservative cause celebre, Fartbamacare.

If you think this is anything but a carefully-calculated marketing ploy, I've got some great swampland in Florida to sell you. Therefore, nothing stupid about it -- pure evil.
 
2012-08-08 02:20:27 AM
We're starting to see the early signs of 'Republicans always wanted single-payer.'
 
2012-08-08 02:36:07 AM
FTFA: CEO and founder John Schnatter (a Mitt Romney supporter and fundraiser)

Well, he would say that wouldn't he?
 
2012-08-08 02:49:56 AM

wildcardjack: propasaurus: Romney/Papa 2012

I don't know what shape he's in, but Tom Monaghan isn't doing much and is more Catholic than the Pope.

/Domino's Founder.


Douchebag hypocrite Catholic, sure. Then again, Ratzinger isn't much better.

/hate the SOB
 
2012-08-08 02:50:32 AM

Pincy: Ya, it's not like there are any other examples of how this could work anywhere else in the world.

Sheesh



Are you playing stupid on purpose? The argument is if the Democrats have the votes and power to accomplish this, and whether the insurance business would happily accept their fate.

But do go on with what ever nonsense you're trying to argue here

Obama's an evil socialist for instituting a health care policy created by a conservative think tank in the 1990's, imagine what they say when he closes down all the health insurance companies with one strike of a pen because he's King n shiat...
 
2012-08-08 02:51:16 AM

that bosnian sniper: Less than a week ago, Chick-fil-A set sales records on "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day"



Have they actually released sales numbers yet?
 
2012-08-08 03:02:46 AM

BojanglesPaladin: FYI, Papa John's is not alone is saying this.

Caterpillar, the world's largest construction machinery manufacturer by sales said it would increase its insurance costs by at least 20 percent, or more than $100 million, just in the first year of the health-care overhaul program.

"We can ill-afford cost increases that place us at a disadvantage versus our global competitors," said the letter signed by Gregory Folley, vice president and chief human resources officer of Caterpillar. "We are disappointed that efforts at reform have not addressed the cost concerns we've raised throughout the year."

A letter to President Barack Obama and members of Congress signed by more than 130 economists predicted the legislation would discourage companies from hiring more workers and would cause reduced hours and wages for those already employed."

Farm equipment maker Deere & Co expects after-tax expenses to rise by $150 million this year as a result of the healthcare reform law President Barack Obama signed

Verizon says it current pays $4 billion annually towards health care plans for nearly 900,000 employees, retirees, and their families. Its hundreds of thousands of unionized employees, though, pay nothing towards their health care premiums. The company estimates the "Cadillac tax" will add about $200 million to those annual costs.

McDonald's estimates that each restaurant will incur between $10,000 and $30,000 in added annual costs. The Affordable Care Act could cost McDonald's and its franchisees more than $400 million a year in additional health-care expenses, Chief Financial Officer Peter Bensen said on Monday.

CEO Tilman J. Fertitta of Landry's Inc., the Houston-based operator of more than 400 restaurant, hotel and casino properties, isn't so sure. "It's just going to be a lot more expensive for people to eat out," Fertitta said. "It's going to be more expensive for people to buy groceries at the grocery store."

White Castle System Inc. began offering health coverage wh ...


This is the best argument I have ever read to get employers out of the business of providing health insurance to individuals. One step at a time.
 
2012-08-08 03:12:56 AM

Osomatic: Great, just great. Now whatever I save on healthcare will be completely nullified by the massive increase in my pizza budget. Thanks, OBUMMER.


funnied. :)
 
2012-08-08 03:13:40 AM

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Finally you realized the only debate tactic your brain is capable of doing
 
2012-08-08 03:21:23 AM

intelligent comment below: violentsalvation: i798.photobucket.com


Finally you realized the only debate tactic your brain is capable of doing


Arguing with someone who thinks the USSR and China under Mao were both far right wing? Yeah, I'll get right on that.

i798.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-08 03:44:59 AM

propasaurus: We're starting to see the early signs of 'Republicans always wanted single-payer.'


Yes. If only those Democrats hadn't stood in the GOP's way, we'd have universal health care by now.
 
2012-08-08 04:14:56 AM

violentsalvation: Arguing with someone who thinks the USSR and China under Mao were both far right wing? Yeah, I'll get right on that.



You're right, there isn't an argument. Liberalism has no room for one party rule, a military police state, death camps, crackdown on dissent, harassment and murder of professors and journalists; that's the same right wing Fascist tactics the government of the Nazi's used. As well as every right wing authoritarian state. The only difference is Mao and Stalin hid behind faux Communism when ironically the point of Communism is to get rid of class systems while both countries had a ruling political class where government owned production and in Germany private business was allowed to operate but under direct control from the party.

Too bad you slept through history 101 at your community college rather than actually spend time debating and researching on your own. You might be surprised at how much bullshiat you think is common knowledge that's really typical ignorant thinking passed down from conservative generation to conservative generation.

/it's funny how I keep describing my position and backing it up with stated facts while all you can do is say "YOUR A DUMBASS" and post another derp picture. Like I said, the only debate you're capable of doing
 
2012-08-08 04:29:11 AM

that bosnian sniper: Corvus: James F. Campbell: Genevieve Marie: How anyone thinks this is in any way compatible with a healthy society still continues to elude me.

Liberals have got it all wrong. They think conservatives are stupid. Nope, just evil.

About 70% are stupid and 70% are evil. there is overlap.

Less than a week ago, Chick-fil-A set sales records on "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day" and proved throwing red meat to the slavering masses is exorbitantly profitable. Now, "Papa John" is "making his beliefs heard" on the other conservative cause celebre, Fartbamacare.

If you think this is anything but a carefully-calculated marketing ploy, I've got some great swampland in Florida to sell you. Therefore, nothing stupid about it -- pure evil.


You know, the Chick-Fil-A thing is actually going to be terrible for them long term. You know who supports gay marriage? Young people. You know who eats fast food? Also young people.

They got a one day major sales bump, in part by bringing in a lot of people who are never, ever going to be their core consumer... and they alienated a bunch of the people that are.

This is being presented as a win for them, but it's not going to end up that way.

The Papa Johns thing doesn't touch on any major social issues, just greed, so it won't have the same impact on their brand.
 
2012-08-08 04:45:38 AM

Corvus: relcec: Corvus: relcec: along with ignoring the poor,

So it has no coverage for the poor written into the law at all?

Why do I have a feeling you need to go to the gym soon?

Back peddling about to commence?

massive amounts of the poor will go uncovered. do you dispute that?

That was NOT THE QUESTION. Why do you refuse to ANSWER THE QUESTION?

So then unless we cover 100% of the poor you are against it?


Corvus, you know as well as I do that the standard Republican screed is: Unless it solves EVERYTHING, it's better to solve NOTHING.
 
2012-08-08 04:59:53 AM
Why are they complaining? Don't they belong to the same wonderful capitalist system with is triumphant free market economy Mitt Romney seems to brag about everyday? If the head of PPJ wants to complain and whine about how the hand they've been dealt will effect their profits, then his endorsing the wrong candidate/party.
 
2012-08-08 05:04:19 AM
That was my Boobies--->according to my bf this is a mandatory statement I have to make.
 
2012-08-08 05:06:48 AM
Good one!
 
2012-08-08 05:54:50 AM

hinten: This is the best argument I have ever read to get employers out of the business of providing health insurance to individuals. One step at a time


Hey, Single Payer will happen eventually. It's just a matter of time. Yes, CEOs, it's going to cost you money to provide your employees with health insurance, I understand you would rather not spend any money at all on their benefits but without Single Payer this is kind of what keeps