paygun: We should punish him by raising his taxes. Surely he won't pass that cost along, too.


If you think taxes are punishment then you must be a conservative

violentsalvation: because I was one of many farkers who made you look like an idiot a few days ago.


link to topic or GTFO

You are so dumb you can't even understand when you really lost an argument

I think it's amusing how you personally insult me then get your panties in a bunch when I return the favor though

NuttierThanEver: Papa John's = Derptard
Dominoes = founded by a prolife fundie nutjob
Godfather's = formerly run by Derptard
Pizza Hut = I don't know but they are the worst out of all the chains out there.

Make's me glad out of all the Pizza chains I could have worked for in college I wound up at Little Caesar's. Mr. Illitch by all reports is a nice guy, the family seems to be liberal but for the most part avoids talking about politics and he owns the Red Wings (my favorite team) and is trying to spend enough this year to get the Tigers into another World Series.

Yep. My cousin works for them (Tigers) and 3 kids who started out in HS at LC now own the franchise together. Still there nearly a decade on.

LC is also mentioned relatively well in Fast Food Nation. And while I always chose the 7 local option over 5 hot and ready, LC still has good for the price deep dish.

Everyone et al

We get it. You don't care what affect it has. No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs. No matter how many times businesses say it, or how many times it shows up on annual budgets, or stockholder meetings. But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter, or they are outweighed.

And you are free to sit at your computers and declare what other business can absorb, and tell them to suck it up, oblivious to the consequences. And ignore the fact that this is affecting nearly every single business in America. And it is a negative effect. In the middle of a floundering economy.

But hey! Why sweat the details? At least you can feel morally superior about how those eevil greedy capitalist get it stuck to them.

intelligent comment below: paygun: We should punish him by raising his taxes. Surely he won't pass that cost along, too.


If you think taxes are punishment then you must be a conservative

Hahahaha...

If you ride a horse and expect it to dance...you might be a Republican.

If you complain about illegal immigrants while employing one to make your breakfast...you might be a Republican.

if you wish the American car companies would have gone bankrupt in the same year you installed a car elevator...you might be a Republican.

intelligent comment below: paygun: We should punish him by raising his taxes. Surely he won't pass that cost along, too.


If you think taxes are punishment then you must be a conservative

And if you think higher taxes have to negative impact, you must be a leftist.

BojanglesPaladin: Everyone et al

We get it. You don't care what affect it has. No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs. No matter how many times businesses say it, or how many times it shows up on annual budgets, or stockholder meetings. But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter, or they are outweighed.

And you are free to sit at your computers and declare what other business can absorb, and tell them to suck it up, oblivious to the consequences. And ignore the fact that this is affecting nearly every single business in America. And it is a negative effect. In the middle of a floundering economy.

But hey! Why sweat the details? At least you can feel morally superior about how those eevil greedy capitalist get it stuck to them.

Umm...businesses are not absorbing it. As Papa John said, he is passing it onto the customer and will likely make a profit.

"Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza, or 15 to 20 cents per order from a corporate basis"

Can anybody explain the two numbers here? I'd guess PJ's orders average >1 pizza, so wouldn't the per order number be lower? Or is the key phrase "corporate basis"?

Here's the feedback I sent them:

I just read that your CEO was complaining that health care reform will raise the cost of your pizza by up to 20 cents per pie. Well, if Papa John's cooperates with HCR, I'll gladly pay two dimes more for my pizza. Hell, raise the price by 50 cents and let us know that's so you can comply with the health care law and provide your employees with health insurance. I'll bet most people wouldn't have a problem with that.

Citation: http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/papa-johns-obamacare-will-r aise-pizza-prices-131331.html

Will probably be ignored, but what the hell.

LordOfThePings: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza, or 15 to 20 cents per order from a corporate basis"

Can anybody explain the two numbers here? I'd guess PJ's orders average >1 pizza, so wouldn't the per order number be lower higher?

Oh, it is. I need some sleep. Never mind.

BojanglesPaladin: Everyone et al

We get it. You don't care what affect it has. No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs. No matter how many times businesses say it, or how many times it shows up on annual budgets, or stockholder meetings. But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter, or they are outweighed.

And you are free to sit at your computers and declare what other business can absorb, and tell them to suck it up, oblivious to the consequences. And ignore the fact that this is affecting nearly every single business in America. And it is a negative effect. In the middle of a floundering economy.

But hey! Why sweat the details? At least you can feel morally superior about how those eevil greedy capitalist get it stuck to them.

I'm just going to go ahead and assume you didn't actually read the posts here, because pretty much everyone here said they'd be willing to fit the extra nickel and dime on their bill that Obamacare will make them lose on each pizza.

Look, we get it, you don't want people to have healthcare. You value pocket change over people. There's no shame in admitting it apparantly, you have your hood buddy randonjsa saying just that. Just give in to your hate already.

BojanglesPaladin: We get it. You don't care what affect it has.

I have no idea where you came up with that conclusion. I care very much what effect it has, because it has a net positive effect on our society.

No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs.

Again, you're making things up. Nearly everyone here has accepted that ACA compliance is an expense. However, that expense is [partially - completely - more than] offset by benefits, and time will tell which applies.

But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter

I've given you every benefit of the doubt. Now you're just flat out lying.

gimmegimme: intelligent comment below: paygun: We should punish him by raising his taxes. Surely he won't pass that cost along, too.


If you think taxes are punishment then you must be a conservative

Hahahaha...

If you ride a horse and expect it to dance...you might be a Republican.

If you complain about illegal immigrants while employing one to make your breakfast...you might be a Republican.

if you wish the American car companies would have gone bankrupt in the same year you installed a car elevator...you might be a Republican.

If you champion national defense while consistently hoping for a terrorist attack to strike...you might be a republican randomjsa.

If you think America is the single greatest nation in everything while you worship a man who admits "I hope he fails"...you might be a republican.

this is addicting...

Bill Murray said I was weird:
Look, we get it, you don't want people to have healthcare. You value pocket change over people. There's no shame in admitting it apparantly, you have your hood buddy randonjsa saying just that. Just give in to your hate already.

Oh shut up if you have nothing better to say than some stupid made-up attempt at an ad hominim attack. It's just sad. I said nothing of the kind. I have paid 100% of our employee's healthcare for well over a decade now. Have you?

The Why Not Guy: BojanglesPaladin: We get it. You don't care what affect it has.

I have no idea where you came up with that conclusion. I care very much what effect it has, because it has a net positive effect on our society.

No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs.

Again, you're making things up. Nearly everyone here has accepted that ACA compliance is an expense. However, that expense is [partially - completely - more than] offset by benefits, and time will tell which applies.

But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter

I've given you every benefit of the doubt. Now you're just flat out lying.

You are supporting my comment. You believe the expense is no matter because you think the benefit eclipses it. Which is easy for you to say when it's not your pocket book. ACA does not reduce healthcare costs, it does not reduce premiums or reduce rate increases. It is an additional burden on business in a down economy.

But you are all OK with that. That is what I am saying.

BojanglesPaladin: Bill Murray said I was weird:
Look, we get it, you don't want people to have healthcare. You value pocket change over people. There's no shame in admitting it apparantly, you have your hood buddy randonjsa saying just that. Just give in to your hate already.

Oh shut up if you have nothing better to say than some stupid made-up attempt at an ad hominim attack. It's just sad. I said nothing of the kind. I have paid 100% of our employee's healthcare for well over a decade now. Have you?

And the whining commences.

If you don't want to be treated as an asshole, maybe you shouldn't act like an asshole.You tried to speak on the behalf of everyone in the thread, so I gave you the same treatment. And for your information, yes, since my business opened up, I have covered 100% of all my employees healthcare, something particularly important when one employee suffered a femoral hip fracture in his left leg. in early 2011.

BojanglesPaladin: And if you think higher taxes have to negative impact, you must be a leftist.


Can you translate that into English please?


violentsalvation: uninteligible comment below: "Communism like what the USSR and China called themselves were really far right military dictatorships"

Glutton for punishment? Seriously, f*ck off, and f*ck you. Put me on ignore if you can't move on. Or don't, whatever.


Figures you would post the link to that. You mean the entire topic where I schooled all you ignorant right wingers on the definition of left and right?

BojanglesPaladin: ACA does not reduce healthcare costs


citation needed

Especially since it doesn't take full effect until 2014

BojanglesPaladin: it does not reduce premiums or reduce rate increases.


citation needed

BojanglesPaladin: It is an additional burden on business in a down economy.


As if the current health care costs are completely affordable...

And citation needed

Bill Murray said I was weird:
If you don't want to be treated as an asshole, maybe you shouldn't act like an asshole.You tried to speak on the behalf of everyone in the thread, so I gave you the same treatment.

No. I was responding to all the people who had responded to my posts from earlier. Too numerous to list.

And while I applaud you for doing the right thing for your employees, only one of us has resorted to name calling and ad hominim attacks. Only one of us has been an asshole.

BojanglesPaladin: You believe the expense is no matter because you think the benefit eclipses it

You are a liar.

I distinctly said it was too soon to know if the benefit would outweigh the expense. Here, let me refresh your memory:

However, that expense is [partially - completely - more than] offset by benefits, and time will tell which applies.

Oh and as for "ACA does not reduce healthcare costs" it's not meant to. If you don't know the difference between health care and health insurance, you have no business in this conversation.

The Why Not Guy: Oh and as for "ACA does not reduce healthcare costs" it's not meant to. If you don't know the difference between health care and health insurance, you have no business in this conversation.

Read my post again. I listed both as separate items because they are separate items. And I pointed out that it does not address health care costs because that is the PROBLEM with this pile of garbage. I might be supportive of it if all this added bullshiat had a tangible benefit like, I don't know, curbing skyrocketing healthcare costs and/or reducing health insurance premiums. This was, after all, the terrible crisis that this legislation was supposed to protect us from.

Instead it does none of those things. Rather, it makes them worse (according to the CBO) and saddles businesses struggling in a down economy with even more costs.

The goals of extending healthcare to more people were certainly noble, but they did it wrong. ACA is a mountain of fail and secondary consequences.

BojanglesPaladin: Read my post again.

Why? Will I see you admit you flat out lied about me saying the expense is no matter because I believe the benefit eclipses it, when in fact I said it's too early to know?

You're a farking liar. Why would I read your post again?

Elmo Jones: sprawl15: You don't want a mouthful of Papa's warm cheese?

No sir, I do not.

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: He also said that the vibe Schnatter gave off was similar to the Girls Gone Wild guy.

Ding!

OhioUGrad: Why, you didn't like the commercial of him showing up at a house with pizza and partying with a bunch of high school aged kids?

I haven't seen that one. That's a surprise. That he would make such a commercial, is not.

It's an older one, I think it was on last NFL season leading up to the coin-flip deal they did.

The Why Not Guy: BojanglesPaladin: Read my post again.

Why? Will I see you admit you flat out lied about me saying the expense is no matter because I believe the benefit eclipses it, when in fact I said it's too early to know?

You're a farking liar. Why would I read your post again?

If you don't want to don't. You are clearly more interested in shouting insults than having a discussion. You clarified your position. Fine. You don't know yet how the benefits balance. We done here? Good.

BojanglesPaladin: Everyone et al

We get it. You don't care what affect it has. No one is concerned or even really disputed that this will increase business costs. No matter how many times businesses say it, or how many times it shows up on annual budgets, or stockholder meetings. But you are all convinced that the negatives don't matter, or they are outweighed.

And you are free to sit at your computers and declare what other business can absorb, and tell them to suck it up, oblivious to the consequences. And ignore the fact that this is affecting nearly every single business in America. And it is a negative effect. In the middle of a floundering economy.

But hey! Why sweat the details? At least you can feel morally superior about how those eevil greedy capitalist get it stuck to them.

Higher worker productivity because they get healthcare rather than suffer through an illness, increased worker mobility so if you want to move jobs but can't because you're tethered to your job's benefits, as well as more money flowing through the economy rather than sitting still as more people head to the doctor, get meds, etc, well, yes, I think the small negative impact on business is worth the net benefits to society.

Corvus: BojanglesPaladin: I might be supportive of it if all this added bullshiat had a tangible benefit like, I don't know, curbing skyrocketing healthcare costs and/or reducing health insurance premiums.

Putting 50 million on healthcare and saving 50,000 people's lives per year is no " tangible benefit"?

Or allowing 500,000 employs retire and opening up that many jobs because they no longer have to work just to be able to buy health care?

You must have skipped parts of my post. I said that extending health care benefits was a noble goal. But they'd idiot wrong, and didn't fix the structural problems with the system.

BojanglesPaladin: If you don't want to don't. You are clearly more interested in shouting insults than having a discussion. You clarified your position.

Uh, my position was clear to begin with, because I stated it plainly. You decided to claim I said something I didn't, and I called you on it. You lied and you got caught. If that insults you, good.

Corvus: So your stupid excuse is "it's not perfect so lets do nothing"?

No. I said nothing of the kind. As I said (which you must have also skipped) I would have supported ACA if it had solved the big problems with the previous system. What we got instead was a crapfest that fixed little, made much worse, but allowed more people into the farkedupsystem.

propasaurus: Sgt Otter: what_now: propasaurus: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza..."

Well, you're full of shiat, but ok, I'll bite:

I WOULD PAY AN EXTRA ELEVEN TO FOURTEEN CENTS TO STOP MY FELLOW CITIZENS FROM DYING OF EASILY PREVENTABLE DISEASES.

Because I'm not a farking sociopath.

I'm wondering if they factored in the increased productivity, due to less people taking less sick days due to increased access to preventative / early treatment, in their numbers.

My guess is, if they're saying it would be an 11-14 cent increase per pizza, that's probably due to a 3¢ increase for 'Obabamcare' and an 8¢ increase in profit that they'll blame on 'Obamacare.'

You mean like their "delivery charge" in which $0 goes to their drivers? Almost like the airline industry it seems...

/bitter because I delivered in college

BojanglesPaladin: No. I said nothing of the kind.

Aww, you don't like people claiming you said something you didn't? Odd. Didn't stop you from doing the same thing to me. I'm sure you have a complicated explanation in your head of why it's different when you do it.

dericwater: KyngNothing: Papa John's, rephrased.

We COULD give our employees insurance now, but that would cost us almost $.12 per pizza (I wonder what ingredient that compares to...), and our employees just AREN'T worth that much to us...

THIS^^^^

Starbucks offer full healthcare to their workers, even the part-timers. And a cup of coffee makes much less revenue than a whole pizza pie.

I'm guessing markup on Starbucks coffee is several hundred times what it is on a pizza. Markup on fountain drinks at the sandwich shop I worked at was 700%

Sgt Otter: what_now: propasaurus: "Our best estimate is that the Obamacare will cost 11 to 14 cents per pizza..."

Well, you're full of shiat, but ok, I'll bite:

I WOULD PAY AN EXTRA ELEVEN TO FOURTEEN CENTS TO STOP MY FELLOW CITIZENS FROM DYING OF EASILY PREVENTABLE DISEASES.

Because I'm not a farking sociopath.

I'm wondering if they factored in the increased productivity, due to less people taking less sick days due to increased access to preventative / early treatment, in their numbers.

You know how I know they didn't factor that it? Capitalism! Oh wait, isn't that supposed to be "because socialism?"