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2012-08-07 01:45:19 PM
Frankly, it's not a bad move financially. I'd be very surprised if their presence on the track actually drone millions of folks into the showroom to buy a car.
 
2012-08-07 01:51:43 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Frankly, it's not a bad move financially. I'd be very surprised if their presence on the track actually drone millions of folks into the showroom to buy a car.


As long as NASCAR keeps trying to make allt he cars look exactly alike, that will never happen again anywhere near as much as it happened back when Petty was driving around in a Superbird.
 
2012-08-07 01:54:09 PM
Considering none of the cars being driven in NASCAR can be bought at showrooms like they used to be, being associated with NASCAR is now more about brand marketing than marketing a specific car. Fiat seems to have the right idea about Chrysler, make a few cars really well and make a profit.
 
2012-08-07 02:04:54 PM

FriarReb98: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Frankly, it's not a bad move financially. I'd be very surprised if their presence on the track actually drone millions of folks into the showroom to buy a car.

As long as NASCAR keeps trying to make allt he cars look exactly alike, that will never happen again anywhere near as much as it happened back when Petty was driving around in a Superbird.


WTF Indeed: Considering none of the cars being driven in NASCAR can be bought at showrooms like they used to be, being associated with NASCAR is now more about brand marketing than marketing a specific car. Fiat seems to have the right idea about Chrysler, make a few cars really well and make a profit.


These^
 
2012-08-07 02:26:36 PM
Meh. This was obvious once Penske said they were moving from Dodge to Ford. Beyond Penske, who else even runs Dodge? I'm a pretty big NASCAR fan, and I can't think of anyone off the top of my head without going to NASCAR.com or whatever.
 
2012-08-07 03:39:26 PM

downstairs: Meh. This was obvious once Penske said they were moving from Dodge to Ford. Beyond Penske, who else even runs Dodge? I'm a pretty big NASCAR fan, and I can't think of anyone off the top of my head without going to NASCAR.com or whatever.


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2012-08-07 03:39:27 PM

downstairs: Meh. This was obvious once Penske said they were moving from Dodge to Ford. Beyond Penske, who else even runs Dodge? I'm a pretty big NASCAR fan, and I can't think of anyone off the top of my head without going to NASCAR.com or whatever.


Penske is the only Dodge team in Cup. There was speculation that RPM would run Dodge next year, but I guess that's not to be.
 
2012-08-07 03:40:15 PM
Makes room for Volkswagen now NASCAR is running fuel injection?
 
2012-08-07 03:52:00 PM
So Dodge can focus more on their Viper ALMS program now.

Actually, I'd like to see them reconstitute an IROC series around the new Vipers.
 
2012-08-07 03:56:27 PM

WTF Indeed: Considering none of the cars being driven in NASCAR can be bought at showrooms like they used to be, being associated with NASCAR is now more about brand marketing than marketing a specific car. Fiat seems to have the right idea about Chrysler, make a few cars really well and make a profit.


In the nationwide series they run dodge challengers that look like challengers. They were the only ones that looked distinctive and cool imo. I also heard they were going to ditch the CoT. Don't remember where I heard that though.
 
2012-08-07 03:57:37 PM

Broktun: Makes room for Volkswagen now NASCAR is running fuel injection?


I like it. Gut half a transmission, cut out half their drivetrain and call it an Audi AR, similar to our great American carbine, or an SR. Use the R8/Lambo 5.2 v8. "Truth in Engineering, going left, at 200mph..."
 
2012-08-07 03:59:03 PM
Dodge leaving NASCAR before Toyota? Next thing you'll be telling me is they'll be turning right this weekend..

/ Yes I know.
 
2012-08-07 03:59:47 PM

WTF Indeed: Considering none of the cars being driven in NASCAR can be bought at showrooms like they used to be, being associated with NASCAR is now more about brand marketing than marketing a specific car. Fiat seems to have the right idea about Chrysler, make a few cars really well and make a profit.


What a concept, doing something very well. When did America start hating doing things correctly and became China for profit?
 
2012-08-07 04:02:20 PM

Igor Jakovsky: WTF Indeed: Considering none of the cars being driven in NASCAR can be bought at showrooms like they used to be, being associated with NASCAR is now more about brand marketing than marketing a specific car. Fiat seems to have the right idea about Chrysler, make a few cars really well and make a profit.

In the nationwide series they run dodge challengers that look like challengers. They were the only ones that looked distinctive and cool imo. I also heard they were going to ditch the CoT. Don't remember where I heard that though.


The BuschNationwide series is. Manufacturers will be distinct again.

l2.yimg.com


I like watching the ARCA races. All the old cheated up cup cars in the hands of kids that sometimes don't quite yet have the experience to be driving those beasts leads to interesting times on the track.
 
2012-08-07 04:07:59 PM
What will this mean in terms of "Calvin Peeing" sticker sales?
 
2012-08-07 04:11:33 PM
Sounds like this sponsor decided.....

jennelala.files.wordpress.com

... to get out of Dodge.

/riff&scream
 
2012-08-07 04:16:22 PM

soopey: Igor Jakovsky: WTF Indeed: Considering none of the cars being driven in NASCAR can be bought at showrooms like they used to be, being associated with NASCAR is now more about brand marketing than marketing a specific car. Fiat seems to have the right idea about Chrysler, make a few cars really well and make a profit.

In the nationwide series they run dodge challengers that look like challengers. They were the only ones that looked distinctive and cool imo. I also heard they were going to ditch the CoT. Don't remember where I heard that though.

The BuschNationwide series is. Manufacturers will be distinct again.




I like watching the ARCA races. All the old cheated up cup cars in the hands of kids that sometimes don't quite yet have the experience to be driving those beasts leads to interesting times on the track.


OK, that is cool looking. Should do that in the cup series as well.
 
2012-08-07 04:24:56 PM

lunchinlewis: So Dodge can focus more on their Viper ALMS program now.

Actually, I'd like to see them reconstitute an IROC series around the new Vipers.


In 2013 the Cup series is letting the vehicles look a little more like the production counterparts.

So far:
2013 Ford Fusion Cup vehicle:
www.nhms.com

2013 Toyota Camry Cup vehicle:
cdn3.worldcarfans.co

2013 Chevy SS Cup vehicle:
a.espncdn.com
 
2012-08-07 04:42:18 PM
I don't think Dodge had much of a choice after Penske dropped them. It must have been a very awkward press conference in Vegas when they unveiled the 2013 cup car just a couple days after Roger Penske said he wasn't going back to Dodge.
 
2012-08-07 04:51:55 PM

Current Resident: 2013 Chevy SS Cup vehicle:


What is that... I don't even... I'd have a seizure watching that thing speed around the track.
 
2012-08-07 04:59:12 PM

downstairs: Current Resident: 2013 Chevy SS Cup vehicle:

What is that... I don't even... I'd have a seizure watching that thing speed around the track.


It's camoflauge. That was taken at a test, and they didn't want anyone to get a good idea of the cars actual lines. Plus it's good for epilesy.
 
2012-08-07 04:59:15 PM

Current Resident: 2013 Chevy SS Cup vehicle:


That'd best be an Impala SS... Camaros belong in the Grand Am Series, and Grand Ams used to belong to the... uh... hmmm
 
2012-08-07 05:06:05 PM

angry_scientist: Current Resident: 2013 Chevy SS Cup vehicle:

That'd best be an Impala SS... Camaros belong in the Grand Am Series, and Grand Ams used to belong to the... uh... hmmm


No Impala. Just SS. Holden import (used to be the Pontiac G8)
 
2012-08-07 05:07:41 PM

FriarReb98: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Frankly, it's not a bad move financially. I'd be very surprised if their presence on the track actually drone millions of folks into the showroom to buy a car.

As long as NASCAR keeps trying to make allt he cars look exactly alike, that will never happen again anywhere near as much as it happened back when Petty was driving around in a Superbird.


This would have been your 2013 Dodge

www.autoguide.com
 
2012-08-07 05:48:07 PM
Can someone explain to me what the difference is between manufacturers when everything in NASCAR is just templates to begin with? Does dodge actually even make the chasis the guys run, and is there anything different from a gm chasis?
 
2012-08-07 05:51:54 PM

LineNoise: Can someone explain to me what the difference is between manufacturers when everything in NASCAR is just templates to begin with? Does dodge actually even make the chasis the guys run, and is there anything different from a gm chasis?


No, teams make their own chasis. The manufacturer provides the engine. That's about it. Teams then can modify the engine. Any modifications have to be within some VERY strict tolerances.

Yeah, its not the like the NASCAR of old, but there's a lot to it.

If anyone's interested in this stuff... or believes the myth of "every car is exactly the same"... watch NASCAR Performance on Speed. Its an awesome show (as compared to most of the junk on that channel.)

They go into a lot of awesome depth.
 
2012-08-07 06:02:20 PM

GardenWeasel: angry_scientist: Current Resident: 2013 Chevy SS Cup vehicle:

That'd best be an Impala SS... Camaros belong in the Grand Am Series, and Grand Ams used to belong to the... uh... hmmm

No Impala. Just SS. Holden import (used to be the Pontiac G8)


Oh, nifty. I really liked the G8's. Hell it even shares a kind of L76 like my truck, granted I don't think much interchanges aside from spark plugs and maybe the oil filter...
 
2012-08-07 06:09:53 PM
I really wish NASCAR was more like Australia's V-8 Supercar series. It's far more in line with what stock car racing is all about. NASCAR's lopsided cheesy-ass cars are making it seem more akin to dirt sprint cars than actual stock cars.
 
2012-08-07 06:13:05 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I really wish NASCAR was more like Australia's V-8 Supercar series. It's far more in line with what stock car racing is all about. NASCAR's lopsided cheesy-ass cars are making it seem more akin to dirt sprint cars than actual stock cars.


For reference, these are what the Aussies get to watch:
www.themercury.com.au

Wow...they're ACTUAL CARS! What a far out concept.
 
2012-08-07 06:15:47 PM

FriarReb98: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Frankly, it's not a bad move financially. I'd be very surprised if their presence on the track actually drone millions of folks into the showroom to buy a car.

As long as NASCAR keeps trying to make allt he cars look exactly alike, that will never happen again anywhere near as much as it happened back when Petty was driving around in a Superbird.


Well that and considering nascar fans are not dodge's biggest buyers now......
 
2012-08-07 06:22:35 PM

steamingpile: FriarReb98: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Frankly, it's not a bad move financially. I'd be very surprised if their presence on the track actually drone millions of folks into the showroom to buy a car.

As long as NASCAR keeps trying to make allt he cars look exactly alike, that will never happen again anywhere near as much as it happened back when Petty was driving around in a Superbird.

Well that and considering nascar fans are not dodge's biggest buyers now......


I don't know... I see a lot of Rams, chargers, challengers, and Caravans at the local track.
 
2012-08-07 06:28:05 PM
I too wish NASCAR would be more like the V8 supercars simply for the fact that I love road courses.

In a few weeks there is going to be an historic race at Laguna Seca. One of the races will be 1973-1990 NASCAR cars. Stock cars on this track are freaking great.
 
2012-08-07 06:36:44 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I really wish NASCAR was more like Australia's V-8 Supercar series. It's far more in line with what stock car racing is all about. NASCAR's lopsided cheesy-ass cars are making it seem more akin to dirt sprint cars than actual stock cars.


I'll never quite understand this line of thinking. I mean, you have Rally and can watch it. Why do you want NASCAR to be like Rally, when there's already Rally.

I happen to really like the fact that NASCAR cars are so similar. It adds to the detail of gamesmanship that goes into every race... from building the car to the race itself.
 
2012-08-07 06:47:21 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I really wish NASCAR was more like Australia's V-8 Supercar series. It's far more in line with what stock car racing is all about. NASCAR's lopsided cheesy-ass cars are making it seem more akin to dirt sprint cars than actual stock cars.

For reference, these are what the Aussies get to watch:
[www.themercury.com.au image 525x310]

Wow...they're ACTUAL CARS! What a far out concept.


Under the bodyshell those cars aren't even remotely stock. They're as purpose-built as NASCAR; the main difference being that there isn't a common COT template underneath, so the Commodore and Falcon chassis will actually be different. After DTM they're probably the most heavily modified of the 'touring car' series.
 
2012-08-07 06:58:06 PM
Well NASCAR let them get run out of the sport by the cheating Hendrick cars also.

Chip Ganassi was quoted as saying "they (48) are out there cheating every week."

It is always going to be a Chevrolet series. From Junior Johnson to Darrell Waltrip, Dale Earnhardt, Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson if you want to be multiple champion and the "poster boy" you'll be in a Chevy. Hell Bill France Jr. was on GM's board of directors for years!
 
2012-08-07 07:01:27 PM

Current Resident: lunchinlewis: So Dodge can focus more on their Viper ALMS program now.

Actually, I'd like to see them reconstitute an IROC series around the new Vipers.

In 2013 the Cup series is letting the vehicles look a little more like the production counterparts.

So far:
2013 Ford Fusion Cup vehicle:
[www.nhms.com image 640x426]

2013 Toyota Camry Cup vehicle:
[cdn3.worldcarfans.co image 660x439]

2013 Chevy SS Cup vehicle:
[a.espncdn.com image 600x400]


Meh, still template cars on the same chassis all with 358 ci V8 engines. Spec engines, tires, rims, fuel etc.

THIS is what SRT will be racing in 2013 and I say good for them!

pricinginsider.carsdirect.com

This is real stock car racing:

media.racer.com
 
2012-08-07 07:07:17 PM
I will if they will bail on NHRA next....
 
2012-08-07 07:07:34 PM
fiat-car-blog.com
 
2012-08-07 07:16:01 PM

Farkin_Crazy: I will if they will bail on NHRA next....


I don't think so.

U.S. Army Leaving NASCAR but Looks to Stay on with NHRA - Fan's Reaction
 
2012-08-07 07:25:49 PM
huh
http://dupontregistry.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/petty's-garage-to-rele a se-the-petty-superbird-dodge-daytona/
 
2012-08-07 07:38:48 PM

Farking Sweet: Meh, still template cars on the same chassis all with 358 ci V8 engines. Spec engines, tires, rims, fuel etc.


Before NASCAR clamped down on rev limits by mandated certain gearing for tracks, there was a phenomenal amount of money going into engine development. The 358 ci motor was making 800+ HP and even the F1 guys were starting to ask questions about how the cup guys were making these beasts. Formula 1? Asking NASCAR guys technical questions? Yeah. Those were some seriously impressive pieces of mechanical wizardry.

If you haven't read it, I suggest checking out this article. It's absolutely fascinating from an engineering standpoint.

The Spring that Revolutionized Nascar
 
2012-08-07 08:22:14 PM
Frankly, it's not a bad move financially. I'd be very surprised if their presence on the track actually drone millions of folks into the showroom to buy a car.

Winner winner, chicken dinner! Nascar wanted to control so badly who could win for sponsorship purposes, they are actually driving manufacturers away from the sport.
Now go watch dem dere sticker karts make a few more laps and have a beer!
/Nascar, the most meaningless racing on the planet
 
2012-08-07 08:28:00 PM
Another big difference between Nationwide cars and Cup cars: one of these can actually be used in the rain.
 
2012-08-07 09:08:00 PM

soopey: If you haven't read it, I suggest checking out this article. It's absolutely fascinating from an engineering standpoint.

The Spring that Revolutionized Nascar


Not a NASCAR fan in the least, but thanks for the link, very interesting read. Polished valve springs? Crazy!
 
2012-08-07 09:39:08 PM

soopey: Farking Sweet: Meh, still template cars on the same chassis all with 358 ci V8 engines. Spec engines, tires, rims, fuel etc.

Before NASCAR clamped down on rev limits by mandated certain gearing for tracks, there was a phenomenal amount of money going into engine development. The 358 ci motor was making 800+ HP and even the F1 guys were starting to ask questions about how the cup guys were making these beasts. Formula 1? Asking NASCAR guys technical questions? Yeah. Those were some seriously impressive pieces of mechanical wizardry.

If you haven't read it, I suggest checking out this article. It's absolutely fascinating from an engineering standpoint.

The Spring that Revolutionized Nascar


I wouldn't get the wrong idea about the NASCAR V8 engines. They aren't the same engines you'll find under the hood of any Chevy or Ford truck. Hell the Chevrolet blocks are cast in the same plant that casts the Ferrari F1 engine.

When it comes down to it you do have nearly spec engines as Dodge was given Ford's playbook for their NASCAR engine in the late 90s to develop theirs. Also when Toyota came to NASCAR with about $80 million dollars to spend they got to examine everyone's engine packages to get theirs going. Hell they never had even built a pushrod V8. Their 5.7 liter V8 uses an aluminum block and DOHC heads.

ALMS still is far ahead with engines IMO with the new SRT Viper running its V10, the Corvette and BMW have their V8 and the Porsches with their flat 6 engines. When one goes by you on the racetrack by god you know it is a Corvette or 911. If I were NASCAR I would have Chevrolet run an LS based stock block engine along with Ford running their Coyote V8 or Eco-Boost 6 and Dodge a new gen Hemi. That would put alot of "stock" back into stock car racing!
 
2012-08-07 09:48:47 PM

Farking Sweet: If I were NASCAR I would have Chevrolet run an LS based stock block engine along with Ford running their Coyote V8 or Eco-Boost 6 and Dodge a new gen Hemi. That would put alot of "stock" back into stock car racing!


And if Chevrolet/Toyota didn't end up dominate,what do you think Nascar would do?
Don't worry, that'll never happen anyway, good idea though.
 
2012-08-07 11:03:16 PM

Kurmudgeon: Farking Sweet: If I were NASCAR I would have Chevrolet run an LS based stock block engine along with Ford running their Coyote V8 or Eco-Boost 6 and Dodge a new gen Hemi. That would put alot of "stock" back into stock car racing!

And if Chevrolet/Toyota didn't end up dominate,what do you think Nascar would do?
Don't worry, that'll never happen anyway, good idea though.


Toyota couldnt dominate that racing, if they could they would dominate SCCA and the Le Mans series, they are only good for drifting..........
 
2012-08-08 03:56:31 AM

downstairs: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I really wish NASCAR was more like Australia's V-8 Supercar series. It's far more in line with what stock car racing is all about. NASCAR's lopsided cheesy-ass cars are making it seem more akin to dirt sprint cars than actual stock cars.

I'll never quite understand this line of thinking. I mean, you have Rally and can watch it. Why do you want NASCAR to be like Rally, when there's already Rally.

Why the hell are you talking about rally? V-8 Supercars has nothing to do with rally racing.
 
2012-08-08 10:07:39 AM
How did it get so that a particular model of car can only be run in Nascar if the manufacturer allows it? Didn't it used to be that racers could run any car they wanted provided it met certain rules?
 
2012-08-08 01:36:28 PM
Good move by dodge.. they shouldn't be in a sport that kills its spectators..
 
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