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(CBC)   Unhappy about flakey New Age allegations that they emit dangerous wi-fi signals, hydro power smart meters decide to start an good old fashioned house fire   (cbc.ca) divider line 51
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2012-08-07 11:32:39 AM  
Main Page submission is that way ==>
 
2012-08-07 12:53:28 PM  
Out of all the threads that have gone green today, this is certainly one of them...
 
2012-08-07 12:56:42 PM  

Ponzholio: Out of all the threads that have gone green today, this is certainly one of them...


I think the poor grammar in the headline really helped.
 
2012-08-07 02:57:39 PM  
He declined to comment further as the case has now been handed over to BC Hydro for a full investigation.

So the fire Chief hands over the investigation to the entity installing the device? How can you possible claim that the results of that investigation will be unbiased?
 
2012-08-07 02:58:45 PM  
It's an good thing.
 
2012-08-07 02:59:10 PM  
Great! Another reason for the Amish to laugh at us!
 
2012-08-07 02:59:56 PM  
And then smart meters alert the UN Black Helicopters as to the location of your gold stash.
 
2012-08-07 03:03:16 PM  
If only there were some succinct phrase we could use to describe what happens when some new "improvement" turns out to have some disastrous consequences...
 
2012-08-07 03:05:38 PM  
I hate the woo that surrounds these things.

I tried to tell one of these fear mongers they get exposed to more cancer causing radiation* standing out for a minute in the sun than a lifetime of standing near a wifi smart meter, but she devolved into some babble about blood brain barrier.

I dunno, it was hard to understand her through her face mask. She's so paranoid about pollution she wears a surgical mask around town.

*There may be some other undiscovered mechanism causing cancer from wifi (I highly doubt it, given how prevalent radio waves are in our lives), but it is not ionizing radiation, as these transmitters do not emit the high energy radiation that causes cancer.
 
2012-08-07 03:07:41 PM  
out of nowhere, this headline jumps out of nowhere
 
2012-08-07 03:14:02 PM  
That is a odd story.
 
2012-08-07 03:22:27 PM  

ChipNASA: out of nowhere, this headline jumps out of nowhere


I seen what you done there.
 
2012-08-07 03:22:39 PM  
Wi-Fi? They are "ethernet over power" or powerline networking.
 
2012-08-07 03:27:36 PM  
Oh sorry these are the true Smart meter types that monitor more than just kWh. Those do use RF.
 
2012-08-07 03:29:56 PM  
You can tell it is Canada because they call their electricity "Hydro".
 
2012-08-07 03:36:41 PM  

meat0918: I hate the woo that surrounds these things.

I tried to tell one of these fear mongers they get exposed to more cancer causing radiation* standing out for a minute in the sun than a lifetime of standing near a wifi smart meter, but she devolved into some babble about blood brain barrier.

I dunno, it was hard to understand her through her face mask. She's so paranoid about pollution she wears a surgical mask around town.

*There may be some other undiscovered mechanism causing cancer from wifi (I highly doubt it, given how prevalent radio waves are in our lives), but it is not ionizing radiation, as these transmitters do not emit the high energy radiation that causes cancer.


I lost quite a few FB friends when I began mocking their fear of the smart meters. All of them were arguing their cases from smart phones or laptops on wifi.
 
2012-08-07 03:38:54 PM  
The incident comes after a Mission woman's house burnt down on June 15, just one day after a smart meter was installed there.

Holy crap, no way that could be a coincidence!
 
2012-08-07 03:39:25 PM  

KarmicDisaster: You can tell it is Canada because they call their electricity "Hydro".


- and milk comes in bags - METRIC-SIZED BAGS!!
 
2012-08-07 03:41:52 PM  

KarmicDisaster: You can tell it is Canada because they call their electricity "Hydro".


Actually, we have to call it that in Vermont, too. Because we buy it from them.
 
2012-08-07 03:42:36 PM  
The first day I get one of those, I'm doubleing the fire insurance on my house.
And the water damage insurance.
 
2012-08-07 03:43:56 PM  
The Hydro Gods are vengeful.
 
2012-08-07 03:50:02 PM  
Jebus M. Christus, when they first started installing them in my area, it brought all the nutters out of the woodwork (although they're still babbling incoherently at clouds). The number of letters to the editor about "Electromagnetic Sensitivity Disorder", and the "dangers to the children" caused by smart meters made me ashamed that these fruitcakes were from the same species as I was.
 
2012-08-07 03:59:19 PM  

vudukungfu: KarmicDisaster: You can tell it is Canada because they call their electricity "Hydro".

Actually, we have to call it that in Vermont, too. Because we buy it from them.


No need to buy it. Out west, we make plenty of our own to sell to California and Las Vegas. Why should Canadia get all the profits during summer when it's 119 outside and you chose to live in the desert?
 
2012-08-07 04:09:42 PM  
Meter socket is purchased from Home Depot and installed by the home owner's contractor/electrician. The home owner owns it and is responsible for making sure it is properly maintained.

These fires usually start because the connections inside the box were worn out or improperly installed. Saying that the new meter caused this equivalent to blaming the gas station attendant who pumped the gas into your car for the leak in your gas filler tube causing gas to drip on the exhaust pipe.

...Wait, what am I saying? That makes no sense! The RF must have started the fire!
 
2012-08-07 04:28:44 PM  

meat0918: I hate the woo that surrounds these things.

I tried to tell one of these fear mongers they get exposed to more cancer causing radiation* standing out for a minute in the sun than a lifetime of standing near a wifi smart meter, but she devolved into some babble about blood brain barrier.

I dunno, it was hard to understand her through her face mask. She's so paranoid about pollution she wears a surgical mask around town.

*There may be some other undiscovered mechanism causing cancer from wifi (I highly doubt it, given how prevalent radio waves are in our lives), but it is not ionizing radiation, as these transmitters do not emit the high energy radiation that causes cancer.


I've been on bansmartmeters.org(Which has now been 'Down for Construction' for a year or so) explaining to these morons that the electrical grid in their farking walls, the motor in their fridge, their air conditioner, etc. create a stronger EM field than a farking smart meter. Of course, they didn't pay attention. I wonder how many of these farkers have a cell phone, cordless home phone, a wireless router, or all 3?

Heard one motherfarking moronic jackass try and blame tinnitus on a smart meter. Tinnitus, an injury that only happens when something impacts the eardrum(And the hairs lining the ear canal) with too much force, such as a sound wave or a concussion wave, NOT an em signal. If the WiFi in their smart meter did that, it probably punched a hole in the side of the house in the process.

Morons.

If the smart meters are causing fires, it's not the fact that they're smart meters that are causing fires, it's bad installation, or bad manufacturing, but no component of the 'smart' aspect is causing fires.

God these people are morons.

Morons, Morons, Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons, Morons, Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons.Morons, Morons, Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons, Morons, Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons.Morons, Morons, Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons, Morons, Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons.Morons, Morons, Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons, Morons, Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons.Morons, Morons, Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons, Morons, Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons.

Did I mention that these people are morons?
 
2012-08-07 04:30:33 PM  

vudukungfu: KarmicDisaster: You can tell it is Canada because they call their electricity "Hydro".

Actually, we have to call it that in Vermont, too. Because we buy it from them.


Fark that, I'll call it electricity if I ever move to Vermont, let's see 'em try and lock me up!! ;-)
 
2012-08-07 04:35:09 PM  

WhippingBoy: Jebus M. Christus, when they first started installing them in my area, it brought all the nutters out of the woodwork (although they're still babbling incoherently at clouds). The number of letters to the editor about "Electromagnetic Sensitivity Disorder", and the "dangers to the children" caused by smart meters made me ashamed that these fruitcakes were from the same species as I was.


I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there may just be people who are sensitive to this. I've always wondered when we would sense interference, whether by em fields interfering with the em fields that run through our body, or messing with the iron in our blood stream. There are all kinds of things that make different people sick, while others have no idea. When I was a kid, I ate chicken that had sat in the back of the car for 2 or 3 days, my sister had some too. She got sick as a dog, I never even had gas...

THAT SAID....

I'm talking like 1 or 2 people in the world who might feel more nausea than most people. That's all. The rest are all morons, hypochondriacs and attention whores.
 
2012-08-07 04:44:49 PM  

Mikey1969: WhippingBoy: Jebus M. Christus, when they first started installing them in my area, it brought all the nutters out of the woodwork (although they're still babbling incoherently at clouds). The number of letters to the editor about "Electromagnetic Sensitivity Disorder", and the "dangers to the children" caused by smart meters made me ashamed that these fruitcakes were from the same species as I was.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that there may just be people who are sensitive to this. I've always wondered when we would sense interference, whether by em fields interfering with the em fields that run through our body, or messing with the iron in our blood stream. There are all kinds of things that make different people sick, while others have no idea. When I was a kid, I ate chicken that had sat in the back of the car for 2 or 3 days, my sister had some too. She got sick as a dog, I never even had gas...

THAT SAID....

I'm talking like 1 or 2 people in the world who might feel more nausea than most people. That's all. The rest are all morons, hypochondriacs and attention whores.


If people are sensitive to the EM signal produced by a smart meter, they'd likely die within 5 minutes after being exposed to direct sunlight. In other words: no.
 
2012-08-07 04:50:55 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: vudukungfu: KarmicDisaster: You can tell it is Canada because they call their electricity "Hydro".

Actually, we have to call it that in Vermont, too. Because we buy it from them.

No need to buy it. Out west, we make plenty of our own to sell to California and Las Vegas. Why should Canadia get all the profits during summer when it's 119 outside and you chose to live in the desert?


Quite clearly Canadian power is superior to yours.
 
2012-08-07 04:58:03 PM  

WhippingBoy: If people are sensitive to the EM signal produced by a smart meter, they'd likely die within 5 minutes after being exposed to direct sunlight. In other words: no.


A: I didn't SAY smart meters, I said EM in general, or at least I didn't narrow it down in any way. The implication was overall sensitivity.

B: There ARE people who can't get any sunlight.

So it still stands, I will be willing to accept that there are one or two people out there who might be unnaturally sensitive to EM.

/I wondered how long it would take someone to think that I was taking the Meter Morons' side, quicker than I thought.
 
2012-08-07 05:02:15 PM  

Mikey1969:

So it still stands, I will be willing to accept that there are one or two people out there who might be unnaturally sensitive to EM.

/I wondered how long it would take someone to think that I was taking the Meter Morons' side, quicker than I thought.


"Seven studies were found which did report an association, while 24 could not find any association with electromagnetic fields. However, of the seven positive studies, two could not be replicated even by the original authors, three had serious methodological shortcomings, and the final two presented contradictory results. Since then, several more double-blind experiments have been published, each of which has suggested that people who report electromagnetic hypersensitivity are unable to detect the presence of electromagnetic fields and are as likely to report ill health following a sham exposure, as they are following exposure to genuine electromagnetic fields"

As far as I know, there are no individuals who can reproducibly beat a blind study.
 
2012-08-07 06:39:33 PM  
These WiFi units are offering so much 900Mhz interference that customers of my company are getting kicked off the internet. These are a really stupid idea. Like LED traffic lights in wintery areas, screen doors on submarines etc.
 
2012-08-07 06:42:50 PM  
Subby should become an hero for such a stupid grammatical mistake.
 
2012-08-07 07:33:30 PM  
Mikey1969:
God these people are morons.

Morons, Morons, Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons, Morons, Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons.Morons, Morons, Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons, Morons, Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons. Morons.Morons, Morons, Morons. Mor ...

I hope you weren't looking in a mirror when you typed that...
 
2012-08-07 07:39:51 PM  
Everybody seems to poking fun at the people that are against 'Smart Meters'. I don't like every electrical device in my house being monitored by some idiot...Like how cablevision will ping your box if your latre will the bill. Imagine 'them' being able to do that to your computer,refrigerator,etc.
 
2012-08-07 07:52:37 PM  

killiemary: Everybody seems to poking fun at the people that are against 'Smart Meters'. I don't like every electrical device in my house being monitored by some idiot...Like how cablevision will ping your box if your latre will the bill. Imagine 'them' being able to do that to your computer,refrigerator,etc.


WTF are you talking about???
 
2012-08-07 07:55:25 PM  

WhippingBoy: killiemary: Everybody seems to poking fun at the people that are against 'Smart Meters'. I don't like every electrical device in my house being monitored by some idiot...Like how cablevision will ping your box if your latre will the bill. Imagine 'them' being able to do that to your computer,refrigerator,etc.

WTF are you talking about???


Some of the smart devices interface with your smart meter. The electric company could, and this was by a reps own admission, turn the heat off on everyone's dryer for 10 seconds or increase the temp half a degree on everyones AC just a little to lower the load on the electrical grid rather than firing up a backup station.
 
2012-08-07 07:59:51 PM  

Meatybrain: I hope you weren't looking in a mirror when you typed that...


Actually I was looking at that cute little snapshot you sent me last week, why do you ask?
 
2012-08-07 08:01:12 PM  

meat0918: WhippingBoy: killiemary: Everybody seems to poking fun at the people that are against 'Smart Meters'. I don't like every electrical device in my house being monitored by some idiot...Like how cablevision will ping your box if your latre will the bill. Imagine 'them' being able to do that to your computer,refrigerator,etc.

WTF are you talking about???

Some of the smart devices interface with your smart meter. The electric company could, and this was by a reps own admission, turn the heat off on everyone's dryer for 10 seconds or increase the temp half a degree on everyones AC just a little to lower the load on the electrical grid rather than firing up a backup station.


WTF are you talking about???
 
2012-08-07 08:06:11 PM  

killiemary: Everybody seems to poking fun at the people that are against 'Smart Meters'. I don't like every electrical device in my house being monitored by some idiot...Like how cablevision will ping your box if your latre will the bill. Imagine 'them' being able to do that to your computer,refrigerator,etc.


What's a latre will the bill?

And why would Cablevision want to ping my computer,refrigerator,etc if I latre will the bill?

Now what you MAY be saying is that Cablevision will ping(their) cable box that you are renting if you are late paying THEM for the services THEY render. If that bothers you, maybe you're not ready to subscribe to utilities yet.

And while these smart meters are able to interface with specific appliances, they are not going to maliciously shut shiat off because you didn't pay your electric bill(Once again, a service you PAY for), they'll just shut ALL of your electric off. Hell, if we're lucky, what they might do is set it so that if they shut off your power, then for the first 24 hours, you could still run your fridge and your heater or A/C. Of course nobody wants to look on that side, it's the 'evil people are out to get me' vibe.

/Just don't latre will the bill
 
2012-08-07 08:08:51 PM  

meat0918: Some of the smart devices interface with your smart meter. The electric company could, and this was by a reps own admission, turn the heat off on everyone's dryer for 10 seconds or increase the temp half a degree on everyones AC just a little to lower the load on the electrical grid rather than firing up a backup station.


It's by everyone's "own admission", they aren't hiding this from us. This is the whole point of the things, they can use them to keep the grid from crashing, 1/2 a degree on your A/C or 10 seconds on your dryer is NOT going to affect you. Besides, the time they are talking about is when people are far less likely to be home using the appliances anyway. Nothing is going to spoil, nobody is going to die of heat stroke.
 
2012-08-07 08:12:03 PM  

Mikey1969: killiemary: Everybody seems to poking fun at the people that are against 'Smart Meters'. I don't like every electrical device in my house being monitored by some idiot...Like how cablevision will ping your box if your latre will the bill. Imagine 'them' being able to do that to your computer,refrigerator,etc.

What's a latre will the bill?

And why would Cablevision want to ping my computer,refrigerator,etc if I latre will the bill?

Now what you MAY be saying is that Cablevision will ping(their) cable box that you are renting if you are late paying THEM for the services THEY render. If that bothers you, maybe you're not ready to subscribe to utilities yet.

And while these smart meters are able to interface with specific appliances, they are not going to maliciously shut shiat off because you didn't pay your electric bill(Once again, a service you PAY for), they'll just shut ALL of your electric off. Hell, if we're lucky, what they might do is set it so that if they shut off your power, then for the first 24 hours, you could still run your fridge and your heater or A/C. Of course nobody wants to look on that side, it's the 'evil people are out to get me' vibe.

/Just don't latre will the bill


What kind of smart meters are you guys talking about??? The one's in BC do the following:

- They support the implementation of time-of-use prices. By time-stamping your consumption data, local distribution companies will be able to determine how much electricity was used during off-peak times and how much was consumed during on-peak periods. This capability allows homeowners to find electricity savings by shifting their electricity use.
- They help power companies identify power theft and respond to meter failures and outages more quickly.
- They provide greater operational efficiencies in local distribution system management.

They DO NOT allow independent control of "smart" devices.
 
2012-08-07 08:12:07 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Mikey1969:

So it still stands, I will be willing to accept that there are one or two people out there who might be unnaturally sensitive to EM.

/I wondered how long it would take someone to think that I was taking the Meter Morons' side, quicker than I thought.

"Seven studies were found which did report an association, while 24 could not find any association with electromagnetic fields. However, of the seven positive studies, two could not be replicated even by the original authors, three had serious methodological shortcomings, and the final two presented contradictory results. Since then, several more double-blind experiments have been published, each of which has suggested that people who report electromagnetic hypersensitivity are unable to detect the presence of electromagnetic fields and are as likely to report ill health following a sham exposure, as they are following exposure to genuine electromagnetic fields"

As far as I know, there are no individuals who can reproducibly beat a blind study.



Out of 7 billion people, I'm pretty sure a study can't get a result when you're just saying there is the possibility that a tiny handful of people out there might have a condition. I'm not talking thousands of people here.
 
2012-08-07 08:14:43 PM  

killiemary: Everybody seems to poking fun at the people that are against 'Smart Meters'. I don't like every electrical device in my house being monitored by some idiot...Like how cablevision will ping your box if your latre will the bill. Imagine 'them' being able to do that to your computer,refrigerator,etc.


No electric meter has that sort of capability. The power company will never be able to tell when you turn your computer on, when you are in the bathroom, or when you turn on your plug-in vibrator by looking at the data coming from the smart meter.
 
2012-08-07 08:38:49 PM  

WhippingBoy: What kind of smart meters are you guys talking about??? The one's in BC do the following:

- They support the implementation of time-of-use prices. By time-stamping your consumption data, local distribution companies will be able to determine how much electricity was used during off-peak times and how much was consumed during on-peak periods. This capability allows homeowners to find electricity savings by shifting their electricity use.
- They help power companies identify power theft and respond to meter failures and outages more quickly.
- They provide greater operational efficiencies in local distribution system management.

They DO NOT allow independent control of "smart" devices.


Well, most of them do. There may be Canadian laws that have made the companies turn off this feature, but most of them have it. They do all that you mentioned, plus help shift the load when it peaks, while still keeping your food from spoiling and your house from either overheating or freezing your pipes. The point is that it not only helps you monitor your usage, it lets them take load off when needed.

Personally, I don't care. I don't think anyone is going to "spy" on me, I don't think that my fridge is going to be off all day, my house won't heat up, so big deal. Besides, I don't know how long it's been since the meter reader actually came to everyone's house anyway, they've been averaging your usage for years. I'd rather have a smart meter and all the "risks" than start using less energy and not see my bill change.
 
2012-08-07 08:44:02 PM  
I have purposely stood next to high powered radio towers when hiking so I could get the weird sensations from them. Which was probably a bad idea since they had all these warning signs out health hazards.
 
2012-08-07 08:52:20 PM  

Mikey1969: WhippingBoy: What kind of smart meters are you guys talking about??? The one's in BC do the following:

- They support the implementation of time-of-use prices. By time-stamping your consumption data, local distribution companies will be able to determine how much electricity was used during off-peak times and how much was consumed during on-peak periods. This capability allows homeowners to find electricity savings by shifting their electricity use.
- They help power companies identify power theft and respond to meter failures and outages more quickly.
- They provide greater operational efficiencies in local distribution system management.

They DO NOT allow independent control of "smart" devices.

Well, most of them do. There may be Canadian laws that have made the companies turn off this feature, but most of them have it. They do all that you mentioned, plus help shift the load when it peaks, while still keeping your food from spoiling and your house from either overheating or freezing your pipes. The point is that it not only helps you monitor your usage, it lets them take load off when needed.

Personally, I don't care. I don't think anyone is going to "spy" on me, I don't think that my fridge is going to be off all day, my house won't heat up, so big deal. Besides, I don't know how long it's been since the meter reader actually came to everyone's house anyway, they've been averaging your usage for years. I'd rather have a smart meter and all the "risks" than start using less energy and not see my bill change.


I don't see how that's possible unless you've got a special refrigerator, etc. The meters sit between the power lines and the house; there's no way they can "know" what devices are in use.
 
2012-08-07 09:12:53 PM  

WhippingBoy: Mikey1969: WhippingBoy: What kind of smart meters are you guys talking about??? The one's in BC do the following:

- They support the implementation of time-of-use prices. By time-stamping your consumption data, local distribution companies will be able to determine how much electricity was used during off-peak times and how much was consumed during on-peak periods. This capability allows homeowners to find electricity savings by shifting their electricity use.
- They help power companies identify power theft and respond to meter failures and outages more quickly.
- They provide greater operational efficiencies in local distribution system management.

They DO NOT allow independent control of "smart" devices.

Well, most of them do. There may be Canadian laws that have made the companies turn off this feature, but most of them have it. They do all that you mentioned, plus help shift the load when it peaks, while still keeping your food from spoiling and your house from either overheating or freezing your pipes. The point is that it not only helps you monitor your usage, it lets them take load off when needed.

Personally, I don't care. I don't think anyone is going to "spy" on me, I don't think that my fridge is going to be off all day, my house won't heat up, so big deal. Besides, I don't know how long it's been since the meter reader actually came to everyone's house anyway, they've been averaging your usage for years. I'd rather have a smart meter and all the "risks" than start using less energy and not see my bill change.

I don't see how that's possible unless you've got a special refrigerator, etc. The meters sit between the power lines and the house; there's no way they can "know" what devices are in use.


It requires "smart" appliances in addition to the smart meters. These programs require the home owner would register for a load shifting program that usually involves the home owner getting rebates or discounts.

In the past, these programs would hardwire to the A/C compressor and pay the home owner some rebate for turning off the compressor for an hour at a time.

With the newer meters, and appliances, the home owner would still have to sign up for the program, would still get a rebate, and they would still have the agreement that the utility could only use their load shifting for x number of hours a year but there would no longer be a need to run control wires to individual devices. I imagine the utility would probably offer some rebate or discount for the smart appliance purchase as well.

I don't know how many programs are actively using smart meters for load shifting now, but these programs have been around for more than twenty years with the hardwired controls. I think they tend be be used more where the a/c load can really overwhelm the utility's ability to distribute power throughout their region during the hottest summer days.
 
2012-08-07 09:55:43 PM  

confirm.fark.com: No electric meter has that sort of capability. The power company will never be able to tell when you turn your computer on, when you are in the bathroom, or when you turn on your plug-in vibrator by looking at the data coming from the smart meter.


Actually they can, to a certain degree of accuracy. Whenever a given load turns on or off, the power consumption will step-change by a fairly repeatable amount. If you know the approximate power draw and run-time of various appliances, you can watch a week's worth of high-sample-rate data and pick out patterns like a coffee maker being run around the same time each morning, or a fridge cycling on and off throughout the day.

(PDF example)
 
2012-08-07 10:14:20 PM  

Ivo Shandor: confirm.fark.com: No electric meter has that sort of capability. The power company will never be able to tell when you turn your computer on, when you are in the bathroom, or when you turn on your plug-in vibrator by looking at the data coming from the smart meter.

Actually they can, to a certain degree of accuracy. Whenever a given load turns on or off, the power consumption will step-change by a fairly repeatable amount. If you know the approximate power draw and run-time of various appliances, you can watch a week's worth of high-sample-rate data and pick out patterns like a coffee maker being run around the same time each morning, or a fridge cycling on and off throughout the day.

(PDF example)


Find me one example of a residential electric meter available for purchase that is able to differentiate between your blender and your electric turbo fleshlight.

I can post papers that show how your wi-fi router transmissions can be used to locate where you are sitting through walls, but it doesn't mean I'm afraid of my neighbor being able to track my movements.
 
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