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(Daily News Journal)   Baptist church next door to Murfreesboro Mosque builds 13 crosses on its front lawn to let them muslins "know how we felt about things." Caaan you feeeel the loooove toniiii BAM   (dnj.com) divider line 121
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2012-08-07 01:02:50 PM  
11 votes:
"You must not mistreat or oppress foreigners in any way. Remember, you yourselves were once foreigners in the land of Egypt.
- Exodus 22:21
2012-08-07 01:00:23 PM  
8 votes:
What insufferable assholes

/I'd rather have Muslims as neighbors than white trash like that
2012-08-07 12:52:59 PM  
8 votes:
I wonder if the Baptists know that they worship the same God as the Muslims do, and that Jesus is considered a prophet and a saint in Islam?

Mary, the mother of Jesus, is mentioned more times in the Koran than she is in the Bible.
2012-08-07 12:55:43 PM  
6 votes:
"It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, a Middle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

Everybody already knows how you feel about "your" christianity. (nice tell, btw)

They just don't give a shiat. They have their own set of beliefs and faith to think about. Not everybody HAS to give a shiat about how you feel about your fairy tales.

I don't go around preaching the story of Full Metal Alchemist, for christ's sake.
2012-08-07 01:00:45 PM  
5 votes:
It looks like they feel very insecure and threatened by the existence of beliefs other than their own.
2012-08-07 03:28:01 PM  
4 votes:
"It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, a Middle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things.

At least have the balls to verbalize, explicitly, what is is exactly that you "feel".

At this point I'd rather have that mosque in my neighborhood than this guy's church. They seem like assholes.
2012-08-07 03:25:55 PM  
4 votes:
"It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, ... "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

You know what else works great for that? Talking to them.
2012-08-07 01:14:35 PM  
4 votes:
Look at it this way; with 13 crosses on the front lawn, they can have a hell of a Klan meeting now.
2012-08-07 04:54:12 PM  
3 votes:
skullkrusher
I think that's the base of the point. God loved Man so much that he sacrificed Himself for Man. He could have done anything he wanted, could've set up any rules He wanted but He chose to become Man and suffer as a man to prove that love to Man.

I never asked him to do that, and now he expects me to abase myself in front of him for it? Man, god's a psycho girlfriend.

"I starved myself for you! Why don't you love me?"
2012-08-07 04:44:05 PM  
3 votes:

theknuckler_33: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: theknuckler_33: Because the cross became a symbol of something other than a simple execution, the sacrifice of the son of god for the sins of humanity. Just like the swastika became a symbol of fascism and racism.

They're interchangeable in this situation though. Any of those lined up in front of the church would be sending a similar message of intimidation.

I can only speak for myself, but I certainly don't get the same impression thinking about 13 crosses vs. 13 guillotines. I hardly think I am unique in this matter. The church are acting like petulant children, but I'm not going to infer some violent message in this little display. I think it's just a matter of 'suck it muzzies'... which would be typical.


But the cross does have a deep history of being used as a means of violent intimidation in the South.

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2012-08-07 04:43:15 PM  
3 votes:

Uchiha_Cycliste: I think One cross is a symbol of jesus' "sacrifice to open the gates of heaven". 13 though, that's just farking rude. If Jesus saw that, I think it would be like rubbing in his face the most horrible period of his life. In my mind it goes well beyond being a remembrance of the core tenet of the faith to being a macabre display of torture devices.


One cross is the symbol of Jesus' sacrifice for your sins.

Three crosses is a symbol of Jesus forgiveness (the only two people _guaranteed_ to get into heaven by Jesus in the new testament were the guys on the crosses to either side, a thief and a murderer respectively).

Thirteen crosses is a symbol of Roman dominance, also known as "do what we say or we'll execute you, your parents, your spouse, your children, and your family pets, possibly after raping them."
2012-08-07 04:40:43 PM  
3 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-08-07 04:36:43 PM  
3 votes:

theknuckler_33: Uchiha_Cycliste: Why is filling a lawn with 13 crosses different than filling a lawn with 13 nooses or 13 guillotines?

Because the cross became a symbol of something other than a simple execution, the sacrifice of the son of god for the sins of humanity. Just like the swastika became a symbol of fascism and racism.

/not defending the church
//not a christian


I think One cross is a symbol of jesus' "sacrifice to open the gates of heaven". 13 though, that's just farking rude. If Jesus saw that, I think it would be like rubbing in his face the most horrible period of his life. In my mind it goes well beyond being a remembrance of the core tenet of the faith to being a macabre display of torture devices.
2012-08-07 03:39:48 PM  
3 votes:

keylock71: Baptists:
"It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, a Middle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

"That's what the church voted to do," said Francis, who has been a member of Grace Baptist since the 1970s when it was on Dill Lane.

Muslins next door:
"We love our neighbors, all of them, including the church next door," said Sbenaty. "As Muslims, we believe in Jesus, as well. Jesus said love thy neighbors. They are our neighbors, and we must love them.

"Also, our prophet Muhammad, before he died, told Muslims they need to love their neighbors and take care of them, and not only their immediate neighbor but extended to the seventh neighbor. That means everybody should love everybody, and that peace and love would be cast on the whole community."


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did the muslins just out-jesus these baptists? I thinks they did.
if only these hateful hillbilly baptists hiding behind jesus could feel shame.
2012-08-07 03:38:10 PM  
3 votes:
"We love our neighbors, all of them, including the church next door," said Sbenaty. "As Muslims, we believe in Jesus, as well. Jesus said love thy neighbors. They are our neighbors, and we must love them.

Hmm who sounds more Christian?
2012-08-07 03:29:16 PM  
3 votes:
c'mon those brown people & their mosque building is at least a 15 cross offense, MOAR CROSSES!

sometimes, i wish there were a God so that It would rapture these simple folk into the clouds.
2012-08-07 03:28:25 PM  
3 votes:
"It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards and that message is that we're insufferable dicks. We're just a fun-loving community of giant anal douchnozzles. Take Marty over there for example - he keeps on trying to throw a barbeque for the muzzies over at their new mosque but they keep on ignoring him.

I'm pretty sure that when Christ comes back, the first thing he wants to see is not a crucifix.
2012-08-07 03:28:19 PM  
3 votes:
Baptists:
"It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, a Middle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

"That's what the church voted to do," said Francis, who has been a member of Grace Baptist since the 1970s when it was on Dill Lane.


Muslins next door:
"We love our neighbors, all of them, including the church next door," said Sbenaty. "As Muslims, we believe in Jesus, as well. Jesus said love thy neighbors. They are our neighbors, and we must love them.

"Also, our prophet Muhammad, before he died, told Muslims they need to love their neighbors and take care of them, and not only their immediate neighbor but extended to the seventh neighbor. That means everybody should love everybody, and that peace and love would be cast on the whole community."



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2012-08-07 03:28:00 PM  
3 votes:
And this is why I have always looked upon the the cross as a symbol of what is wrong with mankind.
2012-08-07 02:16:36 PM  
3 votes:
To all those who share my WTF?, there's something else I found highly peculiar (one might say hypocritical) --

They argued this in a court of law. Do they really want to pick at that thread, while crying about the government's so-called war on faith? Would you really want a secular institution making legal rulings about the legitimacy of a religion?

The whole thing is baffling to me.

Once again, the faithful fail to understand the Separation Clause is there for their protection, as well as the protection of the secular.
2012-08-07 02:00:49 PM  
3 votes:
One way to handle this crowd is to import and drop on their church lawn hundreds of poisonous snakes. And when confronted, just say, "I thought all you Appalachian Baptists loved snakes."
2012-08-07 01:34:26 PM  
3 votes:
Maybe if they lit them on fire and moved them closer the message would be heard better. I don't think they're trying hard enough.
2012-08-07 01:26:30 PM  
3 votes:
"It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, a Middle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

Message received, sh*thead.
2012-08-07 01:12:25 PM  
3 votes:
If they stay on their side of the line I have no problem with it. It's kind of like the local abortion clinic. One of the local mega churches bought the lot right across from the clinic and put up a bunch of signs. They do what they want to do on their property and the clinic does what it wants to do on their property, God bless America.

Neither one of them will let me smoke on their property. Fascists
2012-08-07 05:02:41 PM  
2 votes:
fatkidatcamp.com
2012-08-07 04:36:13 PM  
2 votes:

Debby7813: platedlizard: Diogenes: "Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion..."

Wha wha what?

According to some bigots anything that is not their particular brand of Christianity is not a real religion.

Interestingly enough, a lot of Xtians don't believe that Mormons are real Xtians, from what I've read. This doesn't seem to be slowing Romney down much. Crap.


When you're down to the choice of a Christian cultist and black Muslim, they're going to go with the cultist.
2012-08-07 04:24:05 PM  
2 votes:

mysticcat: Diogenes: "Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion..."

Wha wha what?

Their argument is that Islam is a political movement, not a religion.

/I know.....


I think part of it is that these are the kind of people who, when you say you're from Chicago, ask if you know their second-cousin Louie from Chicago. Any tribal unit outside The Bubble represents something small and intimate and there's always a connection from one person to another. When you say you're a Muslim, there's really only one image that pops into their heads, and it's not a very flattering one. The fact that that particular "tribe" consists of over a billion people all over the world cuts no ice with them. You're obviously best of buddies with all the worst elements in that tribe.
2012-08-07 04:14:58 PM  
2 votes:
Why is filling a lawn with 13 crosses different than filling a lawn with 13 nooses or 13 guillotines?
2012-08-07 03:57:26 PM  
2 votes:

Dr Dreidel: Does Christianity not have anything in there about reflecting poorly on yourself or the faith or even god?


Jesus says a lot of things about loving thy neighbor, not casting the first stone, not mixing religion with government, being the crucified and not the crucifier; I guess he thought that would be enough. Unfortunately bigots, megalomaniacs and other assorted assholes have spent the last 2000 years making seriously dubious interpretations of obscure biblical passages in order to justify their iniquity, because that's more pleasant than just being a good person.
2012-08-07 03:55:18 PM  
2 votes:
Pretty sure Muslims accept that Jesus died on the cross - it's the whole "resurrected from the dead and now serves as the only path to God's good side" bit that they don't buy.
2012-08-07 03:51:44 PM  
2 votes:
"It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, a Middle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

Apparently you felt like being a bigoted asshole. Yay, you.
2012-08-07 03:48:44 PM  
2 votes:

lj1330: Yep, the message is quite clear. "I will not accept you regardless of any affiliation you have to my community." "you can not count on me." "I will only accept those who are deemed worthwhile to me, and if it also furthers my agenda."


I think that's from the Gospel of Xenophobe...
2012-08-07 03:44:52 PM  
2 votes:
The money wasted on building those crosses could've been spent on feeding and clothing the poor, as Jesus Christ would have done.
2012-08-07 03:42:44 PM  
2 votes:

Karac: Relatively Obscure: Diogenes: They argued this in a court of law. Do they really want to pick at that thread, while crying about the government's so-called war on faith? Would you really want a secular institution making legal rulings about the legitimacy of a religion?

No. They really want a secular institution making legal rulings about the legitimacy of OTHER religions. It would be naturally be wrong if it was their own.

As I've heard my pastor say more than once - and this mind you, is a direct quote: "The Founding Father's only meant for freedom of religion to apply to Christianity. They wanted to ensure that the government wouldn't persecute people for believing in Christ. Well, except for the ones in some weird cult like Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, or papists."

I've tried, but have so far failed, to get him to reply on how the founding fathers knew in 1787 about Mormonism, which wasn't started until the 1830's, or Jehovah's Witnesses which got started in teh 1870's.


why would you hang around to listen to anything else that moran has to say. get out man.
2012-08-07 03:39:51 PM  
2 votes:

Karac: Relatively Obscure: Diogenes: They argued this in a court of law. Do they really want to pick at that thread, while crying about the government's so-called war on faith? Would you really want a secular institution making legal rulings about the legitimacy of a religion?

No. They really want a secular institution making legal rulings about the legitimacy of OTHER religions. It would be naturally be wrong if it was their own.

As I've heard my pastor say more than once - and this mind you, is a direct quote: "The Founding Father's only meant for freedom of religion to apply to Christianity. They wanted to ensure that the government wouldn't persecute people for believing in Christ. Well, except for the ones in some weird cult like Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, or papists."

I've tried, but have so far failed, to get him to reply on how the founding fathers knew in 1787 about Mormonism, which wasn't started until the 1830's, or Jehovah's Witnesses which got started in teh 1870's.


With derp like that I would find a new church....
2012-08-07 03:38:34 PM  
2 votes:

theknuckler_33: "It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, ... "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

You know what else works great for that? Talking to them.


But then they'd have to put their statement into words, and unfortunately there's no good way of saying "Die you non-Christian brown people" without facing up to the fact that they're just bigots.
2012-08-07 03:38:14 PM  
2 votes:

vernonFL: I wonder if the Baptists know that they worship the same God as the Muslims do, and that Jesus is considered a prophet and a saint in Islam?

Mary, the mother of Jesus, is mentioned more times in the Koran than she is in the Bible.


You wouldn't believe how many times I have had this argument with some of my friends. My conservative friends think that they are serving a whole together different person. The ignorance is astounding. I finally explained it like this, "You call God 'Jim' and they call God 'James' but you are still talking about the SAME GUY! What is there to fight about? When my friends got the point, they STILL said it was because they were willing to kill for their God. So I asked them, "Are you jealous that they are more faithful and obedient than you?" They denied being jealous. So I asked them what the problem was and all I could get was, "They're just different."

Can't reason with my fundie friends to save my life.
2012-08-07 03:36:11 PM  
2 votes:

Relatively Obscure: Diogenes: They argued this in a court of law. Do they really want to pick at that thread, while crying about the government's so-called war on faith? Would you really want a secular institution making legal rulings about the legitimacy of a religion?

No. They really want a secular institution making legal rulings about the legitimacy of OTHER religions. It would be naturally be wrong if it was their own.


As I've heard my pastor say more than once - and this mind you, is a direct quote: "The Founding Father's only meant for freedom of religion to apply to Christianity. They wanted to ensure that the government wouldn't persecute people for believing in Christ. Well, except for the ones in some weird cult like Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, or papists."

I've tried, but have so far failed, to get him to reply on how the founding fathers knew in 1787 about Mormonism, which wasn't started until the 1830's, or Jehovah's Witnesses which got started in teh 1870's.
2012-08-07 03:36:04 PM  
2 votes:
Oh sorry this is now religious oppression? Wake me the Muslims use government money for religious symbols like this.

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2012-08-07 03:34:15 PM  
2 votes:

I_C_Weener: I don't get the 13 crosses significance. Is there something about it in the bible? In precedence against people? Why not 12? Or 14?


In ancient cultures, the number 13 represented femininity, because it corresponded to the number of lunar (menstrual) cycles in a year (13 x 28 = 364 days). As the solar calendar triumphed over the lunar, the number thirteen became anathema.
2012-08-07 03:33:08 PM  
2 votes:
This whole situation in Murfreesboro make me sad. farking rednecks.
I'm very proud of the Muslim community for not shrinking away like the bigots want them to.
2012-08-07 03:26:02 PM  
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
"Oh thanks! I always wanted an image of a bigoted fat fark with A-cups and nothing better to do than tell Muslims how he 'feels' about them in the most passive-aggressive way possible. I bet the Muslims at that mosque don't give a shiat and in fact tolerate his slightly different Abrahamic religion far more than he tolerates their slightly different Abrahamic religion."
2012-08-07 03:26:02 PM  
2 votes:
"We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

See, Xtians, this is why nobody likes you any more. Your intolerance, bigotry and evil are so blatant, you make the heyday of the Inquisition seem just mildly annoying. You expect us to tolerate your excesses because you're "Christians" while at the same time you refuse to be tolerant, and you denigrate anyone who doesn't espouse YOUR brand of religion even when they themselves are religious, while waving the banner of oppression.

Jesus Christ wouldn't admire your actions, he'd be in your houses of worship with a whip.
2012-08-07 03:19:06 PM  
2 votes:
"We love our neighbors, all of them, including the church next door," said Sbenaty. "As Muslims, we believe in Jesus, as well. Jesus said love thy neighbors. They are our neighbors, and we must love them.

"Also, our prophet Muhammad, before he died, told Muslims they need to love their neighbors and take care of them, and not only their immediate neighbor but extended to the seventh neighbor. That means everybody should love everybody, and that peace and love would be cast on the whole community."


WHAT ASSHOLES
2012-08-07 02:16:06 PM  
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Diogenes: coco ebert: Diogenes: "Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion..."

Wha wha what?

This is a line of argument that right-wing Christianists use about Islam. There's no problematic issue about violating a person's freedom of religion because Islam isn't a religion, it's an insidious plan to undermine Americans and their Constitution. Voila!!

Mohammed had a time machine, too?! Clever bastard.

Duh... where do you think Obama got his?


ok...so...Mohammed is the Doctor?

THIS. CHANGES. EVERYTHING
2012-08-07 02:05:07 PM  
2 votes:

Diogenes: Wha wha what?


There's some pretty concentrated stupid in that part of the world.
2012-08-07 01:57:23 PM  
2 votes:

platedlizard: Diogenes: "Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion..."

Wha wha what?

According to some bigots anything that is not their particular brand of Christianity is not a real religion.


My war god concocted by illiterate Bronze Age shepherds is totally not made up; unlike your moon god concocted by literate Medieval shepherds.
2012-08-07 01:43:32 PM  
2 votes:
And people wonder why religious identification among the
It's because the younger set has looked on the vitriol and derp being spread around, compared it to the church they grew up in when they were younger, and decided that they want no part of that shiat anymore.
2012-08-07 01:28:32 PM  
2 votes:
Those people are great Christians.

I remember that whole "Thou shalt taunt thy neighbors, thou shalt mock their beliefs and find ways to be a dick." Matthew 6, I think?
2012-08-07 01:20:21 PM  
2 votes:

Diogenes: "Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion..."

Wha wha what?


This is a line of argument that right-wing Christianists use about Islam. There's no problematic issue about violating a person's freedom of religion because Islam isn't a religion, it's an insidious plan to undermine Americans and their Constitution. Voila!!
2012-08-07 01:18:12 PM  
2 votes:

vernonFL: I wonder if the Baptists know that they worship the same God as the Muslims do, and that Jesus is considered a prophet and a saint in Islam?

Mary, the mother of Jesus, is mentioned more times in the Koran than she is in the Bible.


I've been a couple of times to Mary's purported final home in Turkey. It's something of a pilgrimage site for many Turkish Muslims.
2012-08-07 01:01:01 PM  
2 votes:
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2012-08-07 09:38:26 PM  
1 votes:

Lee Jackson Beauregard: 109:1 Say: O disbelievers!
109:2 I worship not that which ye worship;
109:3 Nor worship ye that which I worship.
109:4 And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
109:5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
109:6 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.


Yeah...pretty much a live and let live...the chapter is called Al-Kafirun. Interestingly...kafir is not the arabic word for disbeliever, but rather one who hides or covers...the premise being that 'kafir' means one who has hidden himself from 'the truth'. Although whether this applies both colloquially and in the sense of Quranic arabic is up for debate.
2012-08-07 09:20:39 PM  
1 votes:
109:1 Say: O disbelievers!
109:2 I worship not that which ye worship;
109:3 Nor worship ye that which I worship.
109:4 And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
109:5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
109:6 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
2012-08-07 09:01:34 PM  
1 votes:
I'll just assume those Baptists are just keeping lots of extra crosses handy for the KKK, when they come to burn them. At this point, this shiat in Murfeesboro has gone way beyond embarrassing.
2012-08-07 07:57:03 PM  
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Uchiha_Cycliste: I agree this message is milder, but the groundwork is there for them to be lit up and then the message changes.

Wouldn't surprise me if it happened, what with how dry everything has gotten with the drought.

Why just the other day the mosque site caught fire...


ಠ_ಠ
2012-08-07 07:31:20 PM  
1 votes:

Stopheles: Pretty sure Muslims accept that Jesus died on the cross - it's the whole "resurrected from the dead and now serves as the only path to God's good side" bit that they don't buy.


Actually, we believe that Isa (AS)/Jesus was raised to the side of God (Allah/Y*hweh...whatever) prior to the crucifixion. And, actually, yeah, we even believe that the religion he preached is the way to God...I mean the guy was a Prophet. Where the difference lies is that while Muslims believe that the teachings of Jesus (and of Moses, Issac, Abraham, etc.) were 'the truth', they were subject to change over time thus causing them to aberrate from 'the Divine'.
I don't think the congregation of that mosque are going to be offended by crosses on the church lawn. More confused as to the significance of thirteen of the lawn ornaments. To Muslims, the cross holds literally NO significance. Hell, when I see crosses on the highway I assume it's to mark the site of a fatal accident, not as a symbol an evangelical left behind to get me to think about Jesus.
2012-08-07 06:41:51 PM  
1 votes:
Ah, Christians - demonstrating more of that love, hope, and tolerance for which they're known.

"We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

What "things?" It's always amusing to watch bigots and cowards descend into vague generalities to avoid clearly stating their hate. It's never any of the following:
"We wanted them to see the crosses and know that we hate them, even though we would never say that out loud."
"We wanted them to see the crosses and become intimidated by our overt demonstration of exclusion, even though we claim our religion is more tolerant and inclusive."
"We wanted them to see the crosses and understand that we'd spend time and money in what we think is a public demonstration that shames and shuns them, even though we claim our community is generous and kind."

No, it's "we wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things." Contemptible.
2012-08-07 05:43:10 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, a Middle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

Message received, sh*thead.


And that message is they feel Christianity is a rubbish religion, so they had to create their own religion with some idolatory of Christian images, but based around hate and bigotry, instead of love and tolerance.
2012-08-07 05:38:12 PM  
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: No, they should see it a sign of a warm and loving welcome. /end sarcasm

so that's the dichotomy we're forced to adhere to? Either these crosses are a sign of a warm and loving welcome or they are no different than burning a cross on a black family's lawn in the middle of the night? See, cuz that's what you said.

Philip Francis Queeg: I mean what the fark is wrong with you? The farking guy who put them up made the point farking clear. How about we take him at his ignorant, bigotted word and view them as the sign of intimidation that they are.

sure. How about we also not engage in absurd histronics comparing a display of bigotry to a farking burning cross on a black families lawn?

By your logic, these crosses are no different where they stand than if they had been placed on 13 black families' lawns and set on fire in the dark of night. See why what you're saying it farking asinine?

False Dichotomy:? Yep. That's exactly what you are presenting.

I'm not saying that it's exactly the same. I've never said that. I'm saying that the crosses should be viewed in the context of the use of the similar symbol to accomplish the same purpose historically in the region. Does that mean it's "exactly the same? No, only to a moron, or you. Is your neighbor's blue swastika exactly the same as flying the Nazi flag? Nope. Should Jews be as terrified of the blue swastika as they would be of the Nazi flag being flown at their Synagogue? Nope. Is the connection between the two symbols clear and unmistakeable? You bet your ass.

I notice you are still going with the 'different colored swastikas are as equally different as 13 crosses in front of a church and a burning cross in the middle of night in front of a black person's house. What if the swastika looked like this:

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Is the connection to Nazi attrocities still clear and unmistakable?


Was the neighbor who flew it quoted as saying " It was more or less to make a statement to the immigrants about how we felt about our people, our leader, our nation"?
2012-08-07 05:36:05 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: honestly... so "minorities in the community" should be as terrified of this display of crosses as a black family would be to awake at 2AM to find a cross burning on their lawn?


No. Not even close.

But the crosses are there to intimidate.
2012-08-07 05:35:12 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."


Nothing expresses boundless, unconditional love better than: "Do as I say, or I will torture you for eternity."
2012-08-07 05:33:10 PM  
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: No, they should see it a sign of a warm and loving welcome. /end sarcasm

so that's the dichotomy we're forced to adhere to? Either these crosses are a sign of a warm and loving welcome or they are no different than burning a cross on a black family's lawn in the middle of the night? See, cuz that's what you said.

Philip Francis Queeg: I mean what the fark is wrong with you? The farking guy who put them up made the point farking clear. How about we take him at his ignorant, bigotted word and view them as the sign of intimidation that they are.

sure. How about we also not engage in absurd histronics comparing a display of bigotry to a farking burning cross on a black families lawn?

By your logic, these crosses are no different where they stand than if they had been placed on 13 black families' lawns and set on fire in the dark of night. See why what you're saying it farking asinine?

False Dichotomy:? Yep. That's exactly what you are presenting.

I'm not saying that it's exactly the same. I've never said that. I'm saying that the crosses should be viewed in the context of the use of the similar symbol to accomplish the same purpose historically in the region. Does that mean it's "exactly the same? No, only to a moron, or you. Is your neighbor's blue swastika exactly the same as flying the Nazi flag? Nope. Should Jews be as terrified of the blue swastika as they would be of the Nazi flag being flown at their Synagogue? Nope. Is the connection between the two symbols clear and unmistakeable? You bet your ass.


I notice you are still going with the 'different colored swastikas are as equally different as 13 crosses in front of a church and a burning cross in the middle of night in front of a black person's house. What if the swastika looked like this:

s3.hubimg.com

Is the connection to Nazi attrocities still clear and unmistakable?
2012-08-07 05:27:50 PM  
1 votes:

pciszek: Is a person's religion what they say it is, or what some outsider theologian or scholar says it is?


Considering how ignorant practitioners tend to be of their own religions, I'd have to go with outsider theologians.
2012-08-07 05:26:36 PM  
1 votes:
I_C_Weener
You know who else wears orange shirts? That's right. Convicted criminals.

And Rebel X-wing pilots.

skullkrusher
Bondith: Doing something she knows I'll like because she wants me make me happy: sweet and loving

like giving you life and awesome stuff to eat and sex and beer and XBox?


Dude, I'm not accepting sex from anyone who gave me life. Oedipus I'm not.

Bondith: Deliberately harming herself and expecting me to be sympathetic: psycho and manipulative

sure. I don't think the point of Christianity is that God was being an attention whore though


It's animal cruelty, actually. This whole nailed-to-a-tree thing came out of the Jewish tradition of Hebrew-word-I-can't-remember-or-pronounce, whereby sins were washed away by sacrificing random livestock, usually a sheep (hence all the lamb imagery). The whole thing sounds fairly pagan and/or Satanist, depending on how distinctly you define those terms.

Anyways, even understanding the reasoning doesn't make it make any sense. I'm a little hazy on how they get from Step 1: die in agony to Step 2: everyone gets eternal life.
2012-08-07 05:24:50 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Diogenes: "Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion..."

Wha wha what?

You're surprised? It's freaking Tennessee.


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

Guarantee void in Tennessee.
2012-08-07 05:18:18 PM  
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: Sock Ruh Tease: [i.imgur.com image 635x449]
"Oh thanks! I always wanted an image of a bigoted fat fark with A-cups and nothing better to do than tell Muslims how he 'feels' about them in the most passive-aggressive way possible. I bet the Muslims at that mosque don't give a shiat and in fact tolerate his slightly different Abrahamic religion far more than he tolerates their slightly different Abrahamic religion."

You know who else wears orange shirts? That's right. Convicted criminals.


I'm more reminded of these coonts.

img106.imageshack.us
2012-08-07 05:03:08 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: "It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, a Middle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

Everybody already knows how you feel about "your" christianity. (nice tell, btw)

They just don't give a shiat. They have their own set of beliefs and faith to think about. Not everybody HAS to give a shiat about how you feel about your fairy tales.

I don't go around preaching the story of Full Metal Alchemist, for christ's sake.



As Yui - Again just popped up on my music, I must ask do you mean FMA:brotherhood, or just plain FMA?
its important.
2012-08-07 05:01:44 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: "It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, a Middle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

Everybody already knows how you feel about "your" christianity. (nice tell, btw)

They just don't give a shiat. They have their own set of beliefs and faith to think about. Not everybody HAS to give a shiat about how you feel about your fairy tales.

I don't go around preaching the story of Full Metal Alchemist, for christ's sake.


*sigh* 180 comments and no one...

At the time of great Crisis, when Central was rising out of control, and the Furher was secretly replaced by a homunculus, It was the strength and courage of the Elric brothers who saved us all. Brave Edward; the youngest "dog of the military;" he who replaced his limbs for ones of Autometal; the one who saw the truth behind the door, and He was blessed, and He needed no circle to complete his alchemy. Loyal Alphonse; when all was darkest he soldered on. He needed no body, just a metal suit was all he had to help his brother...

/Are you preaching the "original" or the "brotherhood" othidoxy?
2012-08-07 04:55:32 PM  
1 votes:

Mikey1969: BMulligan: Y'all are soooo close, but you're missing the obvious conclusion. Here's a hint - have you ever seen them at a party together?

Oh, I get it now.... It's like in Highlander when MacLeod has to keep coming up with new identities every 60 years or so. Wow, that explains SO much...


0bama is completely undocumented between the ages of 5 and 22 (most of his college records were faked by guilty white school admins). He could definitely have spent some of that time traveling back to found Islam. Also, going into the future so he knew just when Communist sympathy was at it's highest so he could run for president.
2012-08-07 04:53:58 PM  
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: True. A display of crosses on the church property is far cry from a burning cross in the woods or on some negrah's property. You are suggesting every cross everywhere should be seen as a KKK cross-burning tribute?


The display of crosses on church property is meant to intimidate local Muslims and to discourage their presence. It may not be a flaming cross on their lawn, but it's fairly clear what the intent is, and it's not so fundamentally different from a burning cross. Are they on the same scale of violent intimidation? Eh, probably not. But the intent behind them and the hopeful result because of them is the same: get them darkies outta here.
2012-08-07 04:53:00 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: theknuckler_33: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: theknuckler_33: Because the cross became a symbol of something other than a simple execution, the sacrifice of the son of god for the sins of humanity. Just like the swastika became a symbol of fascism and racism.

They're interchangeable in this situation though. Any of those lined up in front of the church would be sending a similar message of intimidation.

I can only speak for myself, but I certainly don't get the same impression thinking about 13 crosses vs. 13 guillotines. I hardly think I am unique in this matter. The church are acting like petulant children, but I'm not going to infer some violent message in this little display. I think it's just a matter of 'suck it muzzies'... which would be typical.

But the cross does have a deep history of being used as a means of violent intimidation in the South.

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those are usually set on fire and put on someone else's lawn


If the Swastika on your neighbors flag is blue instead of black, does that make it a benign symbol?

theknuckler_33: True. A display of crosses on the church property is far cry from a burning cross in the woods or on some negrah's property. You are suggesting every cross everywhere should be seen as a KKK cross-burning tribute?


No, I am saying that a use of crosses in the South, with the expressed purpose of "sending a message" to minorities in the community, can reasonably be viewed as a similar form of intimidation.
2012-08-07 04:52:22 PM  
1 votes:

HeartBurnKid: FTFA: "We love our neighbors, all of them, including the church next door," said Sbenaty. "As Muslims, we believe in Jesus, as well. Jesus said love thy neighbors. They are our neighbors, and we must love them.

"Also, our prophet Muhammad, before he died, told Muslims they need to love their neighbors and take care of them, and not only their immediate neighbor but extended to the seventh neighbor. That means everybody should love everybody, and that peace and love would be cast on the whole community."

Well, I guess we know who the bigger man is.


Thor
2012-08-07 04:49:24 PM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Uchiha_Cycliste: I think One cross is a symbol of jesus' "sacrifice to open the gates of heaven". 13 though, that's just farking rude. If Jesus saw that, I think it would be like rubbing in his face the most horrible period of his life. In my mind it goes well beyond being a remembrance of the core tenet of the faith to being a macabre display of torture devices.

One cross is the symbol of Jesus' sacrifice for your sins.

Three crosses is a symbol of Jesus forgiveness (the only two people _guaranteed_ to get into heaven by Jesus in the new testament were the guys on the crosses to either side, a thief and a murderer respectively).

Thirteen crosses is a symbol of Roman dominance, also known as "do what we say or we'll execute you, your parents, your spouse, your children, and your family pets, possibly after raping them."


I think one could argue that Peter was guaranteed entrance also, frankly all he would have had to say was "yo, let me in" and it would have been done.

Glad to see that someone else see the issue with 13 crosses. That's a damn threat.
2012-08-07 04:46:55 PM  
1 votes:
They arent interpreting the bible right. They are confusing the allegory with the literal parts. Plus they take things out of context.

Not true Christians. My god doesn't hur that derp.
2012-08-07 04:34:50 PM  
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: coco ebert: And this during because of Ramadan. Stay classy...

/I doubt it's a coincidence


Nah, those hicks think Ramadan is a hotel chain.
2012-08-07 04:33:31 PM  
1 votes:

coco ebert: And this during because of Ramadan. Stay classy...


/I doubt it's a coincidence
2012-08-07 04:30:11 PM  
1 votes:
And this during Ramadan. Stay classy...
2012-08-07 04:28:55 PM  
1 votes:
HEY PASTOR:

YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

You have an obligation to help the mosque next door fend off physical attacks. Maybe not spiritual ones, and maybe not ideological ones, but you sure as hell have an obligation in this country to help keep the peace.

Think of it this way:

Nobody converts to a faith full of jerks. If you genuinely believe in God and his Word and his Spirit, Then you want your neighbors to bear witness to His will. Be the object of that witness.
2012-08-07 04:11:53 PM  
1 votes:

Corvus: God, can you imagine if they knew what Mormon's believed?


Has God given you an answer yet?
2012-08-07 04:10:24 PM  
1 votes:

Karac: As I've heard my pastor say more than once - and this mind you, is a direct quote: "The Founding Father's only meant for freedom of religion to apply to Christianity. They wanted to ensure that the government wouldn't persecute people for believing in Christ. Well, except for the ones in some weird cult like Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, or papists."


Send them this:

Memorial and Remonstrance
Against Religious Assessments

James Madison


...Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?...
2012-08-07 04:09:49 PM  
1 votes:
God, can you imagine if they knew what Mormon's believed?


But I think this is more about cultural differences and Mormon being US based seems less scary to them.
2012-08-07 04:07:58 PM  
1 votes:

phreaknes: I_C_Weener: I don't get the 13 crosses significance. Is there something about it in the bible? In precedence against people? Why not 12? Or 14?

I went to a Irish Catholic school and there were 13 stations of the cross, that's the only tie-in I can think of.


That makes some sense. But I think I have it figured out. This is as high as they can count.
2012-08-07 04:01:46 PM  
1 votes:

Stopheles: Pretty sure Muslims accept that Jesus died on the cross


Actually no. They believe that Jesus ascended (bodily), sits at the hand of God, and will come again to judge creation in the end times. Some form of stunt-double switcharoo is posited to explain the crucifixion, but it comes afterwards in Islamic theology.
2012-08-07 03:56:21 PM  
1 votes:

RexTalionis: "You must not mistreat or oppress foreigners in any way. Remember, you yourselves were once foreigners in the land of Egypt.
- Exodus 22:21


The way that the people who pretend that they are Christians have been carrying on lately, I think their bible consists of nothing but a small leaflet with Leviticus 18:22 on it.
2012-08-07 03:54:26 PM  
1 votes:
Their crazy stories are bullshiat. Our crazy stories are totally legit though.
2012-08-07 03:51:49 PM  
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: iaazathot: I_C_Weener: sprawl15: I_C_Weener: On the other side, the Church just put up crosses on their property. Not sure if there hadn't been the other history of vandalism etc... it would mean anything. They don't come out and say, "And we'd burn them on their lawn if this were a more civilized time like 1862." They say, "To show them what Christianity means to us." Which is apparently that 13 crosses means something....something important...but what?

To be fair, burning crosses don't really mean anything either. They're just wood that's on fire, plus Jesus. What's next, are people going to say that the burning bush was racist? Silly libs with their 'symbolism' and 'laws against public masturbation'.

I don't get the 13 crosses significance. Is there something about it in the bible? In precedence against people? Why not 12? Or 14?

Jesus and the twelve disciples, conveniently leaving out Mary Magdelene, of course, she was icky and had cooties, unlike Judas, who betrayed Jesus, but at least he had a penis.

Except they say that 3 of them represent the Trinity. So what does 10 represent?


Bigotry.
2012-08-07 03:50:04 PM  
1 votes:
"It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, a Middle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

so, you set up idols to worship? really?
2012-08-07 03:49:59 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: "Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion..."

Wha wha what?


Fundamentalism: The only people that can argue that Islam is not a religion, yet atheism is.
2012-08-07 03:49:55 PM  
1 votes:

keylock71: unexplained bacon: did the muslins just out-jesus these baptists? I thinks they did.
if only these hateful hillbilly baptists hiding behind jesus could feel shame.

Lol... Didn't even catch the typo I made.

Yep, the Muslims seem to actually be following the tenants of their religion, while the "Christians" are acting like hateful bigots.


same typo as the headline...I just assumed it was mocking the ignorance of the church much like "morans"

I'm impressed that the mosque didn't take the bait, they're playing this just right.
the church is just awful.
2012-08-07 03:49:46 PM  
1 votes:

RexTalionis: iaazathot: Jesus and the twelve disciples, conveniently leaving out Mary Magdelene, of course, she was icky and had cooties, unlike Judas, who betrayed Jesus, but at least he had a penis.

Well, Irenaeus purged all the gnostic Bibles like the Gospels of Judas and the Gospels according to Mary Magdelena.


Pfffffft, what nonsense...
2012-08-07 03:47:57 PM  
1 votes:

RexTalionis: I_C_Weener: Which is apparently that 13 crosses means something....something important...but what?

12 Apostles and Jesus - the thirteen at the table at the Last Supper.


Except that their math falls, since they say 3 of the crosses represent the trinity, they used up 2 of the 13 doing God and the Holy Ghost, so which Disciples got the shaft?

Bet these farkheads didn't have anyone with the brains to point this out in their entire congregation. If it was Jesus, the 12 Disciples and the rest of the trinity, it should have been 15 crosses. That's Mississippi Math® for you...
2012-08-07 03:46:13 PM  
1 votes:

unexplained bacon: did the muslins just out-jesus these baptists? I thinks they did.
if only these hateful hillbilly baptists hiding behind jesus could feel shame.


Lol... Didn't even catch the typo I made.

Yep, the Muslims seem to actually be following the tenants of their religion, while the "Christians" are acting like hateful bigots.
2012-08-07 03:44:57 PM  
1 votes:

Mikey1969: sprawl15: mekki: If there is a number Jesus likes, it's thirteen. Which one is the Judas cross?

Anyway, the church's website looks like 1997 threw up on the internet.

If there was a God he would smite these assholes for the background color on the Pastor's Heart page alone.

Not only that, there is nothing stupider than a webpage with no content and no links that do anything but take you back where you came from. WTF is that page supposed to be about, anyway?


It shows what's in their pastor's heart. An advertisement for a long dead Jesus themed energy drink and a background of baby poop and nothing else.
2012-08-07 03:44:55 PM  
1 votes:
Yep, the message is quite clear. "I will not accept you regardless of any affiliation you have to my community." "you can not count on me." "I will only accept those who are deemed worthwhile to me, and if it also furthers my agenda."
2012-08-07 03:42:32 PM  
1 votes:
"Most churches have twelve stations of the cross. When your at station 12, where do you go from there? Nowhere. Our church goes to thirteen."

wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
2012-08-07 03:42:08 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: They argued this in a court of law. Do they really want to pick at that thread, while crying about the government's so-called war on faith? Would you really want a secular institution making legal rulings about the legitimacy of a religion?


They must think the Lord is going to come in and sway the judges, because they keep bringing stuff to court that actually sets them back. Read the history of Kitzmiller v. Dover. The fundies were ecstatic that somebody sued the Dover school board for pushing creationism because they thought it was going to open the floodgates to creationism nationwide. The judge on the case was a Bush appointee, which was seen as part of the divine plan-until he ruled against them and even called out one of the school board witnesses for lying in court.
2012-08-07 03:38:53 PM  
1 votes:
It's a powerful message of "Hey, remember us? We're the church next door to your mosque! Bet you didn't notice this before!"
2012-08-07 03:38:35 PM  
1 votes:
Assholes being assholes for the sake of being assholes?

American Rural Christians
2012-08-07 03:38:11 PM  
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: I don't get the 13 crosses significance. Is there something about it in the bible? In precedence against people? Why not 12? Or 14?


Well, I'd say it was Jesus and the 12 Disciples, but they already stated that there are 3 crosses that represent the Trinity, which accounts for Jesus, but then takes away 2 of the other crosses. Maybe these guys are as bad at math as they are at being Christians?
2012-08-07 03:35:20 PM  
1 votes:
How can the Muslims who attend that mosque claim to love their neighbors when they clearly know nothing about the community?

FTFA: "We love our neighbors, all of them, including the church next door," said Sbenaty. "As Muslims, we believe in Jesus, as well. Jesus said love thy neighbors. They are our neighbors, and we must love them.

"Also, our prophet Muhammad, before he died, told Muslims they need to love their neighbors and take care of them, and not only their immediate neighbor but extended to the seventh neighbor. That means everybody should love everybody, and that peace and love would be cast on the whole community."

If they truly cared about the community, they'd take the time to learn about the people in it and make an effort to integrate themselves. As long as they continue to promote their agenda of peace, acceptance and love they will only reinforce the fact that they don't belong.

Frankly, I don't want to hear/read another word about this unless it's this:
"Fine! We'll build crescents on our lawn," said Sbenaty. "In fact, we'll go one step further and build fourteen! That'll show them."
2012-08-07 03:32:33 PM  
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: "It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, ... "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

You know what else works great for that? Talking to them.


But it's so much easier to be passive aggressive douche bags. Don't you see? Telling someone to their face that you think God hates them and they are not welcome is too awkward.
2012-08-07 03:31:35 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, a Middle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

Message received, sh*thead.


Does Christianity not have anything in there about reflecting poorly on yourself or the faith or even god?

In Judaism, one of the worst sins you can commit is causing someone else to blaspheme or even think negatively about Jews, Judaism or god. If believers are supposed to be a "light to the world" (we - that is, everyone - should be positive role models, and acting as ambassadors of our faith, everything we do gets interpreted through that lens), or "a shining example of god's word" or whatever, shouldn't there be some penalty for bringing darkness everywhere you go?
2012-08-07 03:31:11 PM  
1 votes:

sprawl15: I_C_Weener: On the other side, the Church just put up crosses on their property. Not sure if there hadn't been the other history of vandalism etc... it would mean anything. They don't come out and say, "And we'd burn them on their lawn if this were a more civilized time like 1862." They say, "To show them what Christianity means to us." Which is apparently that 13 crosses means something....something important...but what?

To be fair, burning crosses don't really mean anything either. They're just wood that's on fire, plus Jesus. What's next, are people going to say that the burning bush was racist? Silly libs with their 'symbolism' and 'laws against public masturbation'.


I don't get the 13 crosses significance. Is there something about it in the bible? In precedence against people? Why not 12? Or 14?
2012-08-07 03:28:17 PM  
1 votes:
But chik-fil-a...?
2012-08-07 03:27:47 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah! One cross for each of the apostles that the Muslims killed at the Last Supper!
2012-08-07 03:27:23 PM  
1 votes:
That's very Christian of them.
2012-08-07 03:26:29 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: The My Little Pony Killer: "It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, a Middle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

Everybody already knows how you feel about "your" christianity. (nice tell, btw)

They just don't give a shiat. They have their own set of beliefs and faith to think about. Not everybody HAS to give a shiat about how you feel about your fairy tales.

I don't go around preaching the story of Full Metal Alchemist, for christ's sake.

Well you SHOULD.


I dunno, i'm more a church of the Haibane Renmei sort of guy.

//To recognize one's own sin is to have no sin.
2012-08-07 03:25:57 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: To all those who share my WTF?, there's something else I found highly peculiar (one might say hypocritical) --

They argued this in a court of law. Do they really want to pick at that thread, while crying about the government's so-called war on faith? Would you really want a secular institution making legal rulings about the legitimacy of a religion?

The whole thing is baffling to me.

Once again, the faithful fail to understand the Separation Clause is there for their protection, as well as the protection of the secular.


They've always done this. The reason the Separation Clause has teeth is because the Protestants already had a foothold here and they wanted to make sure no public funds would go to the Catholics.
2012-08-07 03:23:18 PM  
1 votes:

sprawl15: "We love our neighbors, all of them, including the church next door," said Sbenaty. "As Muslims, we believe in Jesus, as well. Jesus said love thy neighbors. They are our neighbors, and we must love them.

"Also, our prophet Muhammad, before he died, told Muslims they need to love their neighbors and take care of them, and not only their immediate neighbor but extended to the seventh neighbor. That means everybody should love everybody, and that peace and love would be cast on the whole community."

WHAT ASSHOLES


On the other side, the Church just put up crosses on their property. Not sure if there hadn't been the other history of vandalism etc... it would mean anything. They don't come out and say, "And we'd burn them on their lawn if this were a more civilized time like 1862." They say, "To show them what Christianity means to us." Which is apparently that 13 crosses means something....something important...but what?
2012-08-07 03:21:12 PM  
1 votes:
"We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

That you worship and revere the torture of a man, leading to his death? They probably already figured that one out, chuckles...
2012-08-07 03:20:37 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: "It was more or less to make a statement to the Muslims about how we felt about our religion, our Christianity," said Mack Richards, a Middle Tennessee Baptist Church member who built the crosses at the request of Grace Baptist member and friend Bobby Francis. "We wanted them to see the crosses and know how we felt about things."

Everybody already knows how you feel about "your" christianity. (nice tell, btw)

They just don't give a shiat. They have their own set of beliefs and faith to think about. Not everybody HAS to give a shiat about how you feel about your fairy tales.

I don't go around preaching the story of Full Metal Alchemist, for christ's sake.


Well you SHOULD.
2012-08-07 02:43:09 PM  
1 votes:

vernonFL: Diogenes: They argued this in a court of law. Do they really want to pick at that thread, while crying about the government's so-called war on faith? Would you really want a secular institution making legal rulings about the legitimacy of a religion?

The whole thing is baffling to me.

Once again, the faithful fail to understand the Separation Clause is there for their protection, as well as the protection of the secular.


They might have done better in a special type of legal system that only decides based on religious rules. If only they had special courts like that....


That sounds like the kind of court where they could promulgate their views evenly with all, that is to say a form of "Share With Ya Law" -- perhaps there's a more elegant way to say that.
2012-08-07 02:25:43 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: They argued this in a court of law. Do they really want to pick at that thread, while crying about the government's so-called war on faith? Would you really want a secular institution making legal rulings about the legitimacy of a religion?

The whole thing is baffling to me.

Once again, the faithful fail to understand the Separation Clause is there for their protection, as well as the protection of the secular.



They might have done better in a special type of legal system that only decides based on religious rules. If only they had special courts like that....
2012-08-07 02:23:29 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: They argued this in a court of law. Do they really want to pick at that thread, while crying about the government's so-called war on faith? Would you really want a secular institution making legal rulings about the legitimacy of a religion?


No. They really want a secular institution making legal rulings about the legitimacy of OTHER religions. It would be naturally be wrong if it was their own.
2012-08-07 02:15:46 PM  
1 votes:
I'm pretty sure that's exactly how Jesus would have handled this issue.
2012-08-07 02:09:09 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: "Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion..."

Wha wha what?


Their argument is that Islam is a political movement, not a religion.

/I know.....
2012-08-07 02:04:28 PM  
1 votes:
This has been an ongoing saga here in Middle Tennessee for a good while now. There are lots of folks here, Christains included, who fully support the building of the mosque and think that its opponents are insufferable assholes. The ironically named Grace Baptist Church folks are clearly idiots who represent the vocal minority of Rutherford County tea party xenophobes.
2012-08-07 01:43:50 PM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: "Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion..."

Wha wha what?


According to some bigots anything that is not their particular brand of Christianity is not a real religion.
2012-08-07 01:23:59 PM  
1 votes:

coco ebert: Diogenes: "Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion..."

Wha wha what?

This is a line of argument that right-wing Christianists use about Islam. There's no problematic issue about violating a person's freedom of religion because Islam isn't a religion, it's an insidious plan to undermine Americans and their Constitution. Voila!!


Mohammed had a time machine, too?! Clever bastard.
2012-08-07 01:16:34 PM  
1 votes:
"Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion..."

Wha wha what?
 
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