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(Daily News Journal)   Baptist church next door to Murfreesboro Mosque builds 13 crosses on its front lawn to let them muslins "know how we felt about things." Caaan you feeeel the loooove toniiii BAM   (dnj.com) divider line 324
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2012-08-07 04:04:18 PM  

sprawl15: Mikey1969: mekki: If there is a number Jesus likes, it's thirteen. Which one is the Judas cross?

Anyway, the church's website looks like 1997 threw up on the internet.

Man, it's even got a farking hit counter at the bottom... And to date, less than 4,000 people have ever visited.

Go to their pictures page. It's got about a hundred 2000x2000 plus pictures resized to 200x200 thumbnails.


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2012-08-07 04:04:41 PM  

phreaknes: I_C_Weener: I don't get the 13 crosses significance. Is there something about it in the bible? In precedence against people? Why not 12? Or 14?

I went to a Irish Catholic school and there were 13 stations of the cross, that's the only tie-in I can think of.


Your school was missing one then. There are traditionally 14 stations.


Jesus is condemned to death
Jesus carries His cross
Jesus falls the first time
Jesus meets His mother
Simon of Cyrene helps Jesus to carry the cross
Veronica wipes the face of Jesus
Jesus falls the second time
Jesus meets the women of Jerusalem
Jesus falls the third time
Jesus is stripped of his garments
Crucifixion: Jesus is nailed to the cross
Jesus dies on the cross
Jesus is taken down from the cross (Deposition or Lamentation)
Jesus is laid in the tomb.
 
2012-08-07 04:05:40 PM  

grokca: Relatively Obscure: I'm pretty sure that's exactly how Jesus would have handled this issue.

Not exactly, he would have built better looking crosses, he was a carpenter.


I don't think he was literally a carpenter - more of an odd jobs guy. He basically wandered around and Jesusrigged a bunch of stuff.
 
2012-08-07 04:06:52 PM  

Mikey1969: Diogenes: Mohammed had a time machine, too?! Clever bastard.

There's no 'too'. When he died, he willed it to Obama.


Y'all are soooo close, but you're missing the obvious conclusion. Here's a hint - have you ever seen them at a party together?
 
2012-08-07 04:07:48 PM  

I_C_Weener: Except they say that 3 of them represent the Trinity. So what does 10 represent?


Batman, Robin, Superman and the 7 dwarves?
 
2012-08-07 04:07:56 PM  

Big_Fat_Liar: grokca: Relatively Obscure: I'm pretty sure that's exactly how Jesus would have handled this issue.

Not exactly, he would have built better looking crosses, he was a carpenter.

I don't think he was literally a carpenter - more of an odd jobs guy. He basically wandered around and Jesusrigged a bunch of stuff.


he was a stand up philosopher or "bullshiat artist".

/you know the reference.
 
2012-08-07 04:07:58 PM  

phreaknes: I_C_Weener: I don't get the 13 crosses significance. Is there something about it in the bible? In precedence against people? Why not 12? Or 14?

I went to a Irish Catholic school and there were 13 stations of the cross, that's the only tie-in I can think of.


That makes some sense. But I think I have it figured out. This is as high as they can count.
 
2012-08-07 04:08:59 PM  

Wyalt Derp: I_C_Weener: Except they say that 3 of them represent the Trinity. So what does 10 represent?

Batman, Robin Wonder Woman, Superman and the 7 dwarves?

 
2012-08-07 04:09:49 PM  
God, can you imagine if they knew what Mormon's believed?


But I think this is more about cultural differences and Mormon being US based seems less scary to them.
 
2012-08-07 04:09:56 PM  
The mosque-itos should throw a party and invite the neighbors. Call it "Meet the Infidels" night.

They could play some party games: Crusades charades, Are You Smarter Than a Spanish Inquisitor, Pin the Nail on Jesus.

Serve some goat cheese hors d' ordoue oerdoev snacks.

Good times.
 
2012-08-07 04:09:57 PM  

I_C_Weener: That makes some sense. But I think I have it figured out. This is as high as they can count.


total number of teeth in the congregation.
 
2012-08-07 04:10:24 PM  

Karac: As I've heard my pastor say more than once - and this mind you, is a direct quote: "The Founding Father's only meant for freedom of religion to apply to Christianity. They wanted to ensure that the government wouldn't persecute people for believing in Christ. Well, except for the ones in some weird cult like Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, or papists."


Send them this:

Memorial and Remonstrance
Against Religious Assessments

James Madison


...Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects? that the same authority which can force a citizen to contribute three pence only of his property for the support of any one establishment, may force him to conform to any other establishment in all cases whatsoever?...
 
2012-08-07 04:10:52 PM  

Isitoveryet: I_C_Weener: That makes some sense. But I think I have it figured out. This is as high as they can count.

total number of teeth in the congregation.


Number of Uncle Dads in the congregation?
 
2012-08-07 04:11:53 PM  

Corvus: God, can you imagine if they knew what Mormon's believed?


Has God given you an answer yet?
 
2012-08-07 04:12:38 PM  

BMulligan: Y'all are soooo close, but you're missing the obvious conclusion. Here's a hint - have you ever seen them at a party together?


Oh, I get it now.... It's like in Highlander when MacLeod has to keep coming up with new identities every 60 years or so. Wow, that explains SO much...
 
2012-08-07 04:14:52 PM  

Karac: unexplained bacon:why would you hang around to listen to anything else that moran has to say. get out man.

It's the families church, we've been going there since forever. Most of the people aren't that bad - he's just young and stupid - particularlly in the area of science or history. He was a baseball jock that transitioned into the seminary after blowing out a knee.

About once a month he is hilarously entertaining. In one sermon he someone branched off into mentioning how he stands in the boat when trying to reel in a big one: "I'm standing there like I'm about to drop a deuce ...." - complete with actually standing like that next to the podium. One other time he got a little competetive at a church league softball game and ended up getting thrown out by the umpire.


less than endearing, but maybe you can nudge him in the right direction.
good luck.
 
2012-08-07 04:14:58 PM  
Why is filling a lawn with 13 crosses different than filling a lawn with 13 nooses or 13 guillotines?
 
2012-08-07 04:18:20 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Your school was missing one then. There are traditionally 14 stations.


And how many mysteries are there? I know there are the joyful mysteries, the sorrowful mysteries, the glorious mysteries, and I think the unsolved mysteries, right?
 
2012-08-07 04:21:32 PM  
The message, of course, being "No, I'M Spartacus!"
 
2012-08-07 04:23:41 PM  
That picture still kills me! I wonder if anybody has asked him to do the "happy nipple dance?"
 
2012-08-07 04:24:05 PM  

mysticcat: Diogenes: "Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion..."

Wha wha what?

Their argument is that Islam is a political movement, not a religion.

/I know.....


I think part of it is that these are the kind of people who, when you say you're from Chicago, ask if you know their second-cousin Louie from Chicago. Any tribal unit outside The Bubble represents something small and intimate and there's always a connection from one person to another. When you say you're a Muslim, there's really only one image that pops into their heads, and it's not a very flattering one. The fact that that particular "tribe" consists of over a billion people all over the world cuts no ice with them. You're obviously best of buddies with all the worst elements in that tribe.
 
2012-08-07 04:25:26 PM  

platedlizard: Diogenes: "Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion..."

Wha wha what?

According to some bigots anything that is not their particular brand of Christianity is not a real religion.


Interestingly enough, a lot of Xtians don't believe that Mormons are real Xtians, from what I've read. This doesn't seem to be slowing Romney down much. Crap.
 
2012-08-07 04:25:33 PM  
How christian of them.
 
2012-08-07 04:28:34 PM  
religions coexisting in a spirit of harmony? Preposterous

www.enkiri.com
 
2012-08-07 04:28:55 PM  
HEY PASTOR:

YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

You have an obligation to help the mosque next door fend off physical attacks. Maybe not spiritual ones, and maybe not ideological ones, but you sure as hell have an obligation in this country to help keep the peace.

Think of it this way:

Nobody converts to a faith full of jerks. If you genuinely believe in God and his Word and his Spirit, Then you want your neighbors to bear witness to His will. Be the object of that witness.
 
2012-08-07 04:29:30 PM  
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2012-08-07 04:29:36 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Why is filling a lawn with 13 crosses different than filling a lawn with 13 nooses or 13 guillotines?


Because the cross became a symbol of something other than a simple execution, the sacrifice of the son of god for the sins of humanity. Just like the swastika became a symbol of fascism and racism.

/not defending the church
//not a christian
 
2012-08-07 04:29:58 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Pretty epic LARP rivalry.


I hate you because I LOL'd.. hard.
 
2012-08-07 04:30:11 PM  
And this during Ramadan. Stay classy...
 
2012-08-07 04:31:20 PM  
This is exactly the type of tolerance Jesus preached... do these morans even read the book they claim to follow?
 
2012-08-07 04:31:37 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: [i.imgur.com image 635x449]
"Oh thanks! I always wanted an image of a bigoted fat fark with A-cups and nothing better to do than tell Muslims how he 'feels' about them in the most passive-aggressive way possible. I bet the Muslims at that mosque don't give a shiat and in fact tolerate his slightly different Abrahamic religion far more than he tolerates their slightly different Abrahamic religion."


I would think that the sight of 13 crosses would keep Jesus himself the fark away from that church (as well as most others)!!! Look what happened to him the last time crosses were set up.
 
2012-08-07 04:33:31 PM  

coco ebert: And this during because of Ramadan. Stay classy...


/I doubt it's a coincidence
 
2012-08-07 04:34:50 PM  

theknuckler_33: coco ebert: And this during because of Ramadan. Stay classy...

/I doubt it's a coincidence


Nah, those hicks think Ramadan is a hotel chain.
 
2012-08-07 04:34:50 PM  

theknuckler_33: Because the cross became a symbol of something other than a simple execution, the sacrifice of the son of god for the sins of humanity. Just like the swastika became a symbol of fascism and racism.


They're interchangeable in this situation though. Any of those lined up in front of the church would be sending a similar message of intimidation.
 
2012-08-07 04:35:13 PM  

theknuckler_33: coco ebert: And this during because of Ramadan. Stay classy...

/I doubt it's a coincidence


dunno - that would require a cursory understanding of the faith they hate. Not sure they have even that.
 
2012-08-07 04:35:46 PM  

rubi_con_man: HEY PASTOR:

YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

You have an obligation to help the mosque next door fend off physical attacks. Maybe not spiritual ones, and maybe not ideological ones, but you sure as hell have an obligation in this country to help keep the peace.

Think of it this way:

Nobody converts to a faith full of jerks. If you genuinely believe in God and his Word and his Spirit, Then you want your neighbors to bear witness to His will. Be the object of that witness.


He's following the words of Corinthians 2:30 - "Surely, you will catch fewer flies with honey than you would by repeatedly kicking those flies in the gonads while setting fire to their homes and questioning the integrity of their lineage."

It's god's word, mortal - who are you to question it?
 
2012-08-07 04:35:47 PM  

theknuckler_33: Uchiha_Cycliste: Why is filling a lawn with 13 crosses different than filling a lawn with 13 nooses or 13 guillotines?

Because the cross became a symbol of something other than a simple execution, the sacrifice of the son of god for the sins of humanity. Just like the swastika became a symbol of fascism and racism.

/not defending the church
//not a christian


Never understood that myself. Why would God require the death of his son to forgive man for breaking his rules? Couldn't he have, you know, just foreign them? I mean, they are his rules after all.

Unless God requires a certain amount of blood to do anything, in which case, why would that be?
 
2012-08-07 04:36:13 PM  

Debby7813: platedlizard: Diogenes: "Plaintiffs unsuccessfully argued in court that Islam is not a religion..."

Wha wha what?

According to some bigots anything that is not their particular brand of Christianity is not a real religion.

Interestingly enough, a lot of Xtians don't believe that Mormons are real Xtians, from what I've read. This doesn't seem to be slowing Romney down much. Crap.


When you're down to the choice of a Christian cultist and black Muslim, they're going to go with the cultist.
 
2012-08-07 04:36:43 PM  

theknuckler_33: Uchiha_Cycliste: Why is filling a lawn with 13 crosses different than filling a lawn with 13 nooses or 13 guillotines?

Because the cross became a symbol of something other than a simple execution, the sacrifice of the son of god for the sins of humanity. Just like the swastika became a symbol of fascism and racism.

/not defending the church
//not a christian


I think One cross is a symbol of jesus' "sacrifice to open the gates of heaven". 13 though, that's just farking rude. If Jesus saw that, I think it would be like rubbing in his face the most horrible period of his life. In my mind it goes well beyond being a remembrance of the core tenet of the faith to being a macabre display of torture devices.
 
2012-08-07 04:37:15 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: theknuckler_33: Because the cross became a symbol of something other than a simple execution, the sacrifice of the son of god for the sins of humanity. Just like the swastika became a symbol of fascism and racism.

They're interchangeable in this situation though. Any of those lined up in front of the church would be sending a similar message of intimidation.


oh cmon. These guys are Grade A-sshats but let's not be ridiculous. A series of nooses on the lawn is a whole farkload more intimidating than some crosses.
 
2012-08-07 04:39:18 PM  

Antimatter: theknuckler_33: Uchiha_Cycliste: Why is filling a lawn with 13 crosses different than filling a lawn with 13 nooses or 13 guillotines?

Because the cross became a symbol of something other than a simple execution, the sacrifice of the son of god for the sins of humanity. Just like the swastika became a symbol of fascism and racism.

/not defending the church
//not a christian

Never understood that myself. Why would God require the death of his son to forgive man for breaking his rules? Couldn't he have, you know, just foreign them? I mean, they are his rules after all.

Unless God requires a certain amount of blood to do anything, in which case, why would that be?


I think that's the base of the point. God loved Man so much that he sacrificed Himself for Man. He could have done anything he wanted, could've set up any rules He wanted but He chose to become Man and suffer as a man to prove that love to Man.
 
2012-08-07 04:40:11 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: theknuckler_33: Because the cross became a symbol of something other than a simple execution, the sacrifice of the son of god for the sins of humanity. Just like the swastika became a symbol of fascism and racism.

They're interchangeable in this situation though. Any of those lined up in front of the church would be sending a similar message of intimidation.


I can only speak for myself, but I certainly don't get the same impression thinking about 13 crosses vs. 13 guillotines. I hardly think I am unique in this matter. The church are acting like petulant children, but I'm not going to infer some violent message in this little display. I think it's just a matter of 'suck it muzzies'... which would be typical.
 
2012-08-07 04:40:43 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-07 04:41:31 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: theknuckler_33: coco ebert: And this during because of Ramadan. Stay classy...

/I doubt it's a coincidence

Nah, those hicks think Ramadan is a hotel chain.


skullkrusher: theknuckler_33: coco ebert: And this during because of Ramadan. Stay classy...

/I doubt it's a coincidence

dunno - that would require a cursory understanding of the faith they hate. Not sure they have even that.


Touche'. I have no rebuttal.
 
2012-08-07 04:41:32 PM  

coco ebert: And this during Ramadan. Stay classy...


I'm sure they were unaware of that, and it wasn't intentional. Don't tell them though, they would be even more proud.
 
2012-08-07 04:42:17 PM  
Someone needs to break out the Iranian version of Photoshop and cross-up that lawn STAT!
 
2012-08-07 04:43:09 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: theknuckler_33: Uchiha_Cycliste: Why is filling a lawn with 13 crosses different than filling a lawn with 13 nooses or 13 guillotines?

Because the cross became a symbol of something other than a simple execution, the sacrifice of the son of god for the sins of humanity. Just like the swastika became a symbol of fascism and racism.

/not defending the church
//not a christian

I think One cross is a symbol of jesus' "sacrifice to open the gates of heaven". 13 though, that's just farking rude. If Jesus saw that, I think it would be like rubbing in his face the most horrible period of his life. In my mind it goes well beyond being a remembrance of the core tenet of the faith to being a macabre display of torture devices.


Oh, it's definitely rude. I just don't think there's a veiled 'we wish we could hang you islamists from these here crosses' message in the display. There were 13 disciples... maybe that's why they used 13.
 
2012-08-07 04:43:15 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: I think One cross is a symbol of jesus' "sacrifice to open the gates of heaven". 13 though, that's just farking rude. If Jesus saw that, I think it would be like rubbing in his face the most horrible period of his life. In my mind it goes well beyond being a remembrance of the core tenet of the faith to being a macabre display of torture devices.


One cross is the symbol of Jesus' sacrifice for your sins.

Three crosses is a symbol of Jesus forgiveness (the only two people _guaranteed_ to get into heaven by Jesus in the new testament were the guys on the crosses to either side, a thief and a murderer respectively).

Thirteen crosses is a symbol of Roman dominance, also known as "do what we say or we'll execute you, your parents, your spouse, your children, and your family pets, possibly after raping them."
 
2012-08-07 04:44:05 PM  

theknuckler_33: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: theknuckler_33: Because the cross became a symbol of something other than a simple execution, the sacrifice of the son of god for the sins of humanity. Just like the swastika became a symbol of fascism and racism.

They're interchangeable in this situation though. Any of those lined up in front of the church would be sending a similar message of intimidation.

I can only speak for myself, but I certainly don't get the same impression thinking about 13 crosses vs. 13 guillotines. I hardly think I am unique in this matter. The church are acting like petulant children, but I'm not going to infer some violent message in this little display. I think it's just a matter of 'suck it muzzies'... which would be typical.


But the cross does have a deep history of being used as a means of violent intimidation in the South.

filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-07 04:44:31 PM  

skullkrusher: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: theknuckler_33: Because the cross became a symbol of something other than a simple execution, the sacrifice of the son of god for the sins of humanity. Just like the swastika became a symbol of fascism and racism.

They're interchangeable in this situation though. Any of those lined up in front of the church would be sending a similar message of intimidation.

oh cmon. These guys are Grade A-sshats but let's not be ridiculous. A series of nooses on the lawn is a whole farkload more intimidating than some crosses.


I don't often agree with you, but yea, that's a heckuva stretch of an equivocation.
 
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