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2012-08-07 12:01:42 PM  
ANY taxes? Bullshiat. INCOME taxes? Maybe, but probably not.

WTF is Reid smoking??
 
2012-08-07 12:25:16 PM  
thank you subby
thank you

I larfed
 
2012-08-07 12:28:02 PM  
Is it possible that the caller and reid are speaking hyperbolically?
Zero taxes being equated with an absurdly low tax rate? Say 5%?

Did ANYONE think that zero taxes should be taken literally as absolutely nothing? LOL

That being said, STFU and release your tax records already rmoney!!! You have nothing to gain by keeping them secret at this point and you just look like you are hiding something hideous.

unless of course you paid zero taxes.

BWEAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
 
2012-08-07 01:11:14 PM  
YOU LIE!

/he wasn't lying.
 
2012-08-07 01:12:29 PM  
What's worse, Harry Reid's in possession of Romney's tax information from over the past 10 years, leaving him unable to restore his good name by showing them!!!

Oh, I'm sorry. No, he doesn't at all. Mitt can make this all go away by simply telling the truth.


Any day now, Willard...
 
2012-08-07 01:13:19 PM  
I rate this article two Aladdins and a Space Ghost.

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2012-08-07 01:13:57 PM  

xanadian: ANY taxes? Bullshiat. INCOME taxes? Maybe, but probably not.

WTF is Reid smoking??


Doesn't matter. It's now part of the national consciousness. Reid and the democrats won, and no amount of debunking will ever reverse that.
 
2012-08-07 01:15:38 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: YOU LIE!

/he wasn't lying.


Well, we won't know whether he was lying until we see the damn tax returns. To say outright that he's lying is just stupid.
 
2012-08-07 01:15:56 PM  

xanadian: ANY taxes? Bullshiat. INCOME taxes? Maybe, but probably not.

WTF is Reid smoking??


You're assuming his objective was factual accuracy and not to simply to re-inject the tax return issue into the national discourse.
 
2012-08-07 01:16:34 PM  
If only there was some way for Romney to put this whole story to rest...
 
2012-08-07 01:17:40 PM  
I guess we will never know!
 
2012-08-07 01:18:27 PM  
The GOP apparently doesn't like that Dems are starting to take pages from their playbook. Sorry, assholes, you made this bed...
 
2012-08-07 01:19:18 PM  
Let's do this logically:

1) If a Bain advisor is gonna throw Romney under the bus over taxes, he isn't going to do it non-chalantly when it's the biggest issue in politics today.
2) Meaning, why say it to Reid? Why not Huffington Post or TPM? I mean, I suppose Reid could be buddies with the guy, but I am sure someone could have figured out that connection already if he was.
3) So this means that Harry Reid MIGHT be lying, trying (poorly) to call Romney's (supposed) bluff that there is nothing bad in the tax returns.
4) But Romney is not budging, despite ALL the Republicans saying that he should do it. If there was something bad, everyone would tell him to release the returns now and hope it gets lost in the media after about 3 weeks. But Romney isn't, despite Ed Rollins (celebrated GOP campaigner) and tons of others telling him to release it now.
5) Because Romney is teasing us. Because there is nothing. Because despite how bad his campaign has been thus far, he learned a VERY valuable lesson from Obama: the longer you let your opposition beat the drum of "corruption", "impropriety" and "illegality" regarding your past... and they eventually turn out to be wrong... they look like COMPLETE asses.
6) The flip side is that Obama DID release his birth certificate before, and the long form crap was just tedious repetition. So, this isn't a direct analogy. And if #5 does actually play out, Romney looks a little bit like an asshole for teasing everyone and controlling this tax return nonsense for so long and then you can just beat him with "so, you admit you were stalling until you actually came up with a policy strategy?"
 
2012-08-07 01:19:31 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: The GOP apparently doesn't like that Dems are starting to take pages from their playbook. Sorry, assholes, you made this bed...


Honestly, the whining that comes out of them is hilarious. This coming from the party that made Willy Horton and Swift Boating.
 
2012-08-07 01:19:32 PM  

Lost Thought 00: xanadian: ANY taxes? Bullshiat. INCOME taxes? Maybe, but probably not.

WTF is Reid smoking??

Doesn't matter. It's now part of the national consciousness. Reid and the democrats won, and no amount of debunking will ever reverse that.


Not to mention, Kessler's "reasonable person standard" for fact-checking isn't fact-checking at all. He said it himself - without Romney's taxes we can't judge the truth of Reid's claim - except for the omission of the word "income" before "tax", which is just political grammar-nazi nit-picking at this point.
 
2012-08-07 01:19:37 PM  
Glenn Kessler - still providing the lube for the GOP's chicken farking.

If Romney wanted to prove Reid a liar, he could very easily. But he won't. Because apparently whatever is in those tax returns must be even more damaging than the speculation of whatever is in those returns.
 
2012-08-07 01:20:16 PM  

mr.Curmudgeon: If only there was some way for Romney to put this whole story to rest...


I'm pretty sure that going into interviews and/or public appearances and telling Reid to "put up or shut up" has appropriately laid this issue to rest. Good day, sir.

/I SAID "GOOD DAY, SIR!"
 
2012-08-07 01:20:23 PM  

Lost Thought 00: xanadian: ANY taxes? Bullshiat. INCOME taxes? Maybe, but probably not.

WTF is Reid smoking??

Doesn't matter. It's now part of the national consciousness. Reid and the democrats won, and no amount of debunking will ever reverse that.


Except for releasing the tax records, of course.
 
2012-08-07 01:20:27 PM  

xanadian: ANY taxes? Bullshiat. INCOME taxes? Maybe, but probably not.


Nope, none. He has effectively paid zero taxes, because there is no contradictory evidence to tell us otherwise. No tax returns, no taxes. Some people are saying he got refunds. The Worthers are right, if he'd just release his real long-form tax returns with all attachments we could clear up this whole mess.
 
2012-08-07 01:20:46 PM  

xanadian: ANY taxes? Bullshiat. INCOME taxes? Maybe, but probably not.


Bottom line: when Romney comes out and insists he DID pay taxes, then the burden of proof is on him to back up that claim of action. Why is he afraid to do so? Forget about Reid. This is about Romney.
 
2012-08-07 01:20:50 PM  
I can just imagine the epic butthurt and conspiracy-mongering you'd get from the right if President Obama had not released his tax returns for 10 years.
 
2012-08-07 01:21:15 PM  
Reid should be impeached. As it clearly shows that asking around to various tax authorities and law professors that Romney DID pay taxes, in their opinion. Which are too high. Now that that's been put to bed, we can go back to discussing what the other 7 states are.
 
2012-08-07 01:21:51 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: If Romney wanted to prove Reid a liar, he could very easily. But he won't. Because apparently whatever is in those tax returns must be even more damaging than the speculation of whatever is in those returns.


McCain saw'em and chose Palin
 
2012-08-07 01:22:22 PM  

coeyagi: And if #5 does actually play out, Romney looks a little bit like an asshole for teasing everyone and controlling this tax return nonsense for so long and then you can just beat him with "so, you admit you were stalling until you actually came up with a policy strategy?"


No, he was stalling to find somebody who could forge tax returns.
 
2012-08-07 01:22:35 PM  
I give it 17 chickens and a goat.
 
2012-08-07 01:22:47 PM  

coeyagi: 2) Meaning, why say it to Reid?


The Mormon connection, maybe?

Also possible it was given to someone else, and Reid (a recently re-elected high-profile Democrat with no connection to the campaign) was selected as the spokesperson
 
2012-08-07 01:22:58 PM  
So wait, Dems start using the dirty tactics that were perfected by Atwater and Rove and now all of a sudden, it's worse than the farking holocaust...good show, GOP.
 
2012-08-07 01:23:12 PM  
I love the Washington Post "Fact" Checker almost as much of politifact

"Harry Reid says that Mitt Romney didn't pay any Taxes for the last 10 years."

[A bunch of paragraphs with no actual facts showing that Mitt Romney paid taxes the last 10 years].

"Therefore Harry Reid is totes lying. Also some butthurt about decorum."

I agree that Reid is likely full of shiat, Romney probably paid taxes...he's just probably paid an absurdly low rate on them - which is why he's hiding it from everyone. But the WP "Fact Checker" didn't factually check shiat.

Damn liberal MSM Media.
 
2012-08-07 01:23:41 PM  
One of the lines in the article from their own expert is something to the effect of "it's possible he paid 2%, that's close enough to zero for me" then immediately after that it's 'still, we choose to eschew the commentary of the expert we hand picked in the article we wrote, and give him 4 jimminy christmasses because while Harry Reid's comments were close we heard he pals around with a black guy.'

That's some fine reporting there.... it does nothing to disabuse me of the opinion that the only journalism practiced in the United States is practiced by sports journalists.
 
2012-08-07 01:24:14 PM  

mr.Curmudgeon: If only there was some way for Romney to put this whole story to rest...


Why should he have to? It's a wild made up claim.

Dingey Harry has paid hookers in his office. Now prove THAT wrong!!
 
2012-08-07 01:25:05 PM  

namatad: Is it possible that the caller and reid are speaking hyperbolically?
Zero taxes being equated with an absurdly low tax rate? Say 5%?

Did ANYONE think that zero taxes should be taken literally as absolutely nothing? LOL

That being said, STFU and release your tax records already rmoney!!! You have nothing to gain by keeping them secret at this point and you just look like you are hiding something hideous.

unless of course you paid zero taxes.

BWEAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


Romney has released what is required by LAW. He has no need/reason to release any more.
 
2012-08-07 01:25:31 PM  
Reid is only lying if he is making up his claim that somebody told him that Romney paid no income taxes.

Reid is disingenuous but not lying if he is repeating a claim that he knows is false.

So far Romney's response avoids the central question. He claims that he paid taxes but doesn't say whether he paid income taxes.
 
2012-08-07 01:25:35 PM  
I believe the way Republicans defended the last administration was that it's not a lie, he was merely working on incomplete information; the best possible knowledge that was available. It's not Reid's fault that perfect information wasn't available, so he can't be held accountable if his conclusions are incorrect.
 
2012-08-07 01:26:09 PM  

ferretman: namatad: Is it possible that the caller and reid are speaking hyperbolically?
Zero taxes being equated with an absurdly low tax rate? Say 5%?

Did ANYONE think that zero taxes should be taken literally as absolutely nothing? LOL

That being said, STFU and release your tax records already rmoney!!! You have nothing to gain by keeping them secret at this point and you just look like you are hiding something hideous.

unless of course you paid zero taxes.

BWEAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Romney has released what is required by LAW. He has no need/reason to release any more.


So how can he claim that we're "taxed enough already" when he didn't pay any income taxes between 2000-2009?
 
2012-08-07 01:26:23 PM  
I have to admit, I never thought Harry Reid had the balls to do something like this. Despicable as the rumor-mongering might be, it has put Mitt in a bind. There's really nothing he can do to respond to it effectively other than release his taxes. And of course the Democrats will be happy the longer Mitt holds out, because absent of evidence, most people will assume Mitt is hiding something.

Someone should Photoshop Harry Reid's face on a copy of Machiavelli's The Prince.
 
2012-08-07 01:26:30 PM  

ferretman: namatad: Is it possible that the caller and reid are speaking hyperbolically?
Zero taxes being equated with an absurdly low tax rate? Say 5%?

Did ANYONE think that zero taxes should be taken literally as absolutely nothing? LOL

That being said, STFU and release your tax records already rmoney!!! You have nothing to gain by keeping them secret at this point and you just look like you are hiding something hideous.

unless of course you paid zero taxes.

BWEAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Romney has released what is required by LAW. He has no need/reason to release any more.


There's 30-40 years worth of reason, actually.
 
2012-08-07 01:26:37 PM  

TIKIMAN87: mr.Curmudgeon: If only there was some way for Romney to put this whole story to rest...

Why should he have to? It's a wild made up claim.

Dingey Harry has paid hookers in his office. Now prove THAT wrong!!


As opposed to underaged boys? He's no Republican, you know.

On topic, LOL. Thanks for keeping this in the news cycle, Washington Post. I'm sure it's not hurting Romney at all for people to keep hearing about this every day.
 
2012-08-07 01:26:57 PM  
And to think, Romney could make Reid look like a total liar and put this whole thing to rest if he just released his tax forms but he's too afraid of the Democrats to do so. What a wimp. This is definitely the person we want running the country.
 
2012-08-07 01:27:03 PM  
Shouldn't a Vice President of the United States, Secretary of State, and National Security advisor be held to an even higher standard when making claims that will lead the US into a trillion dollar war that ends 4000+ American lives?
 
2012-08-07 01:28:46 PM  
One of life's greatest hypocrisies is that congress routinely finds or threatens to find people in contempt for lying to them yet they lie to us every single day.

/not intended to be a factual statement.
 
2012-08-07 01:28:53 PM  

Lost Thought 00: xanadian: ANY taxes? Bullshiat. INCOME taxes? Maybe, but probably not.

WTF is Reid smoking??

Doesn't matter. It's now part of the national consciousness. Reid and the democrats won, and no amount of debunking will ever reverse that.



Unless, of course, Romney provides tax records that show he paid larger %s than someone making 50K a year.
 
2012-08-07 01:29:09 PM  

coeyagi: 2) Meaning, why say it to Reid? Why not Huffington Post or TPM? I mean, I suppose Reid could be buddies with the guy, but I am sure someone could have figured out that connection already if he was.


Maybe because the deep-throat is a Mormon, Reid is the highest ranking Mormon in the US, and the whistle blower is upset that Romney is hiding his income and not paying the proper 10% tithe to the Mormon church.
 
2012-08-07 01:30:08 PM  

The Homer Tax: I agree that Reid is likely full of shiat, Romney probably paid taxes...he's just probably paid an absurdly low rate on them - which is why he's hiding it from everyone. But the WP "Fact Checker" didn't factually check shiat.


I would consider Reid correct if Romney paid no income or capital gains tax for those years. He obviously paid sales and property taxes. Reid said "no taxes" so I would consider even a small percentage to be a fabrication.

Of course, we will never know since we are not going to see the records.
 
2012-08-07 01:30:12 PM  

namatad: Is it possible that the caller and reid are speaking hyperbolically?
Zero taxes being equated with an absurdly low tax rate? Say 5%?

Did ANYONE think that zero taxes should be taken literally as absolutely nothing?


This occurred to me as well, but with his language, he appears to be insinuating dodging of taxes.

They're scraping for bottom feeder votes who wont think for themselves either way. I'd rather hear about who has the better plans for our economy, etc. than this tripe
 
2012-08-07 01:31:20 PM  

TIKIMAN87: mr.Curmudgeon: If only there was some way for Romney to put this whole story to rest...

Why should he have to? It's a wild made up claim.

Dingey Harry has paid hookers in his office. Now prove THAT wrong!!


because Obama had to release his long form birth certificate, something no president in the history of the united states has ever had to do, to silence the wackadoodle conservatives (or at least try to)

fair is fair
 
2012-08-07 01:31:26 PM  

The Homer Tax: I love the Washington Post "Fact" Checker almost as much of politifact

"Harry Reid says that Mitt Romney didn't pay any Taxes for the last 10 years."

[A bunch of paragraphs with no actual facts showing that Mitt Romney paid taxes the last 10 years].

"Therefore Harry Reid is totes lying. Also some butthurt about decorum."

I agree that Reid is likely full of shiat, Romney probably paid taxes...he's just probably paid an absurdly low rate on them - which is why he's hiding it from everyone. But the WP "Fact Checker" didn't factually check shiat.

Damn liberal MSM Media.


yeah he paid 1% tax thats not 0% Reid's such a liar! not sure how that improves the situation any... probably makes it worse since it shows he was hiding that...

/ hopes he takes the Angle approach and not even talk to the media and refuse all debates... because they attack him for things he said...
 
2012-08-07 01:32:22 PM  

namatad: Is it possible that the caller and reid are speaking hyperbolically?
Zero taxes being equated with an absurdly low tax rate? Say 5%?

Did ANYONE think that zero taxes should be taken literally as absolutely nothing? LOL

That being said, STFU and release your tax records already rmoney!!! You have nothing to gain by keeping them secret at this point and you just look like you are hiding something hideous.

unless of course you paid zero taxes.

BWEAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


Could it be possible the Senator from NV knows a thing or two about bluffing? I love how vicious the invective has been from the right on this (Reince Priebus calling read "A dirty liar" on national tv for instance) as if they truly think that by going on about what a horrible person Harry reid is, they can distract from the fact that they haven't disproven his allegations, and that there is a VERY easy way to do so, that Romney, inexlicably, hasn't done

Speak the truth and shame the devil, Mitt
 
2012-08-07 01:32:38 PM  

ferretman: Romney has released what is required by LAW. He has no need/reason to release any more.


Well, no reason besides his presumed desire to get people to vote for him. I suppose he could be taking a dive.
 
2012-08-07 01:33:08 PM  
Don't want to give the Derpington Post a click.

Did Krauthammer write this?
 
2012-08-07 01:33:08 PM  

Lord_Baull: Lost Thought 00: xanadian: ANY taxes? Bullshiat. INCOME taxes? Maybe, but probably not.

WTF is Reid smoking??

Doesn't matter. It's now part of the national consciousness. Reid and the democrats won, and no amount of debunking will ever reverse that.


Unless, of course, Romney provides tax records that show he paid larger %s than someone making 50K a year.


If that were the case, I'd think he'd have released them already and shut down this line of attack. It would be the smart thing to do. Therefore, either Romney and his advisers are really stupid (not likely), or releasing those taxes would reveal something Romney is desperately trying to hide (much more likely). It's simple enough logic.
 
2012-08-07 01:33:58 PM  

mr.Curmudgeon: If only there was some way for Romney to put this whole story to rest...


Every day liberals sound more and more like the birthers they once derided.
 
2012-08-07 01:34:06 PM  

TIKIMAN87: mr.Curmudgeon: If only there was some way for Romney to put this whole story to rest...

Why should he have to? It's a wild made up claim.

Dingey Harry has paid hookers in his office. Now prove THAT wrong!!



I wonder what other wild made up claims presidential candidates had to prove wrong because idiots wouldn't let it go? Le's ask Sheriff Arpaio.
 
2012-08-07 01:34:39 PM  

Tickle Mittens: One of the lines in the article from their own expert is something to the effect of "it's possible he paid 2%, that's close enough to zero


malvasiabianca.org

As long as the law was followed, it's his right. I'd do the same thing.

If you don't like it, vote the right people in and change the law.
 
2012-08-07 01:34:43 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Dingey Harry has paid hookers in his office. Now prove THAT wrong!!


Someone listens to Rush.

Show us the tax returns!!11
 
2012-08-07 01:34:45 PM  
Mitt Romney, Marriott audit committee chair, Son of BOSS.

He is a known tax cheat and nobody should forget it.
 
2012-08-07 01:34:52 PM  
Harry Reid needs to hold himself to the highest possible standard, but this guy can lie his ass off and get a medal for it.

ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-07 01:35:04 PM  

TIKIMAN87: mr.Curmudgeon: If only there was some way for Romney to put this whole story to rest...

Why should he have to? It's a wild made up claim.

Dingey Harry has paid hookers in his office. Now prove THAT wrong!!


Sure, criminal conviction is part of the public record. Tax Returns have to be released by Romney.
 
2012-08-07 01:36:26 PM  

MyRandomName: mr.Curmudgeon: If only there was some way for Romney to put this whole story to rest...

Every day liberals sound more and more like the birthers they once derided.


Except a birth certificate was released and Birthers refused to accept it. Mr. Rmoney has released nothing.
 
2012-08-07 01:36:36 PM  

MyRandomName: mr.Curmudgeon: If only there was some way for Romney to put this whole story to rest...

Every day liberals sound more and more like continue to expose the hypocrisy of the birthers they once derided.


FTFY
 
2012-08-07 01:36:47 PM  

MyRandomName: mr.Curmudgeon: If only there was some way for Romney to put this whole story to rest...

Every day liberals sound more and more like the birthers they once derided.


Birthers, meaning the people who when provided evidence of Obama's US birth still whined and pissed and moaned for more evidence or yelled "forged"?

You know how I know you don't know what analogy means?
 
2012-08-07 01:37:29 PM  
So "conservatives" are going to suddenly be concerned about accuracy in political rhetoric again and ome editorialist is going to prove he isn't part of the liberal media conspiracy by calling this inaccuracy out, you go girl!
 
2012-08-07 01:37:43 PM  

monoski: McCain saw'em and chose Palin


And he also hasn't called Reid a liar.
 
2012-08-07 01:37:48 PM  

MyRandomName: mr.Curmudgeon: If only there was some way for Romney to put this whole story to rest...

Every day liberals sound more and more like the birthers they once derided.


Not really. there was no claims from the birthers that the CLOB didn't already disprove. It just didn't fit their narrative, so they made claims it was phoney, falsified, non existent, etc.

In the case of Mitts Taxes, the information has never been released, and nothing yet released counters the claim at hand.
 
2012-08-07 01:37:49 PM  

Renart: I have to admit, I never thought Harry Reid had the balls to do something like this. Despicable as the rumor-mongering might be, it has put Mitt in a bind. There's really nothing he can do to respond to it effectively other than release his taxes. And of course the Democrats will be happy the longer Mitt holds out, because absent of evidence, most people will assume Mitt is hiding something.

Someone should Photoshop Harry Reid's face on a copy of Machiavelli's The Prince.


The only people up in arms are the retarded left. They think the tactic is working.because.of their own raging hard ons. Polls show it isn't working. Dems are just showing their complete lack of awareness with these attacks. It is as stupid as the birthers attacks. Truly I wasn't even aware romney held a job the last few years, he was most likely living off investment income, so who gives a shiat? Only the retard brigade who also thought romney was a felon for the sec filings.
 
2012-08-07 01:38:02 PM  

HairBolus: Maybe because the deep-throat is a Mormon, Reid is the highest ranking Mormon in the US, and the whistle blower is upset that Romney is hiding his income and not paying the proper 10% tithe to the Mormon church.


Interesting angle...

Of course this brings up the question: what if Romney doesn't want to release his taxes, because the church didn't really get their 10%?
 
2012-08-07 01:38:17 PM  
Majority Leader in the Senate is not a position of great authority. Got it.

quizzicaldog.jpg
 
2012-08-07 01:39:12 PM  

Death_Poot: Tickle Mittens: One of the lines in the article from their own expert is something to the effect of "it's possible he paid 2%, that's close enough to zero

[malvasiabianca.org image 330x186]

As long as the law was followed, it's his right. I'd do the same thing.

If you don't like it, vote the right people in and change the law.


So we can give up the myth that people of Romney's status are paying too much in taxes then.
 
2012-08-07 01:40:34 PM  

Fart_Machine: So we can give up the myth that people of Romney's status are paying too much in taxes then.


Wait, there's a douchebag tax? No wonder we can afford our military.

And they say government doesn't work.
 
2012-08-07 01:40:35 PM  
Brilliant move by Reid. How long will the Right keep this story in the news cycle?
 
2012-08-07 01:41:41 PM  

MyRandomName: The only people up in arms are the retarded left. They think the tactic is working.because.of their own raging hard ons. Polls show it isn't working


Unlike the Post and Reid, I can say you're lying...

cloudfront.mediamatters.org
 
2012-08-07 01:42:25 PM  

Death_Poot: Tickle Mittens: One of the lines in the article from their own expert is something to the effect of "it's possible he paid 2%, that's close enough to zero

[malvasiabianca.org image 330x186]

As long as the law was followed, it's his right. I'd do the same thing.

If you don't like it, vote the right people in and change the law.


Then how is he going to run on the Taxed Enough Already talking point.
 
2012-08-07 01:42:51 PM  

MyRandomName: Renart: I have to admit, I never thought Harry Reid had the balls to do something like this. Despicable as the rumor-mongering might be, it has put Mitt in a bind. There's really nothing he can do to respond to it effectively other than release his taxes. And of course the Democrats will be happy the longer Mitt holds out, because absent of evidence, most people will assume Mitt is hiding something.

Someone should Photoshop Harry Reid's face on a copy of Machiavelli's The Prince.

The only people up in arms are the retarded left. They think the tactic is working.because.of their own raging hard ons. Polls show it isn't working. Dems are just showing their complete lack of awareness with these attacks. It is as stupid as the birthers attacks. Truly I wasn't even aware romney held a job the last few years, he was most likely living off investment income, so who gives a shiat? Only the retard brigade who also thought romney was a felon for the sec filings.


dailydish.typepad.com

This comes from the Princeton Election Consortium, a group that got 2004 and 2008's elections dead-on.
 
2012-08-07 01:44:08 PM  

MyRandomName: Renart: I have to admit, I never thought Harry Reid had the balls to do something like this. Despicable as the rumor-mongering might be, it has put Mitt in a bind. There's really nothing he can do to respond to it effectively other than release his taxes. And of course the Democrats will be happy the longer Mitt holds out, because absent of evidence, most people will assume Mitt is hiding something.

Someone should Photoshop Harry Reid's face on a copy of Machiavelli's The Prince.

The only people up in arms are the retarded left. They think the tactic is working.because.of their own raging hard ons. Polls show it isn't working. Dems are just showing their complete lack of awareness with these attacks. It is as stupid as the birthers attacks. Truly I wasn't even aware romney held a job the last few years, he was most likely living off investment income, so who gives a shiat? Only the retard brigade who also thought romney was a felon for the sec filings.


Jesus Christ, how many god damn times do I have to throw down these stats:

2008 National Education Rankings Average for Red States: 32.4
2008 National Education Rankings Average for Blue States: 20.5

Who's the retard, now?
 
2012-08-07 01:44:22 PM  

impaler: HairBolus: Maybe because the deep-throat is a Mormon, Reid is the highest ranking Mormon in the US, and the whistle blower is upset that Romney is hiding his income and not paying the proper 10% tithe to the Mormon church.

Interesting angle...

Of course this brings up the question: what if Romney doesn't want to release his taxes, because the church didn't really get their 10%?


I don't think that matters all that much. The only people who will care what the LDS does are members of the LDS; the left won't care because that's less money the LDS has to spend on political advocacy, and the religious right won't care because they don't like Mormons. Also, the LDS is not going to publicly excoriate the first Mormon candidate for president during the election.
 
2012-08-07 01:44:43 PM  
The CNN article linked on their main page at the moment quotes Romney pushing back on this by insisting that "he has paid a lot of money in taxes". Which, unless they left a lot out of his statement, isn't a denial.
 
2012-08-07 01:44:59 PM  
I'm amazed he doesn't just release them now. Between now and the election, there is still the VP pick, the conventions, several job reports, and probably a couple of major news stories. By the time November came around, most people wouldn't give a crap about them. The only thing that would have major lasting effects on the election would be if he either paid absolutely zero income tax multiple years, or took amnesty in 2009. Other than that, simply paying a lower rate that most people would blow over completely by November.

On the other hand, by not releasing them it stays a story throughout the campaign.
 
2012-08-07 01:45:36 PM  
So they're calling Harry Reid a liar when they have no evidence to back it up, but they're silent on Mitt Romney's latest blatant lie.
 
2012-08-07 01:45:43 PM  

ps69: Mitt Romney, Marriott audit committee chair, Son of BOSS.

He is a known tax cheat and nobody should forget it.


During Romney's tenure as a Marriott director, the company repeatedly utilized complex tax-avoidance maneuvers, prompting at least two tangles with the Internal Revenue Service, records show. In 1994, while he headed the audit committee, Marriott used a tax shelter known to attorneys by its nickname: "Son of BOSS."

A federal appeals court invalidated the maneuver in a 2009 ruling, siding with the U.S. Department of Justice, which called Marriott's transaction and attempted tax benefits "fictitious," "artificial," "spectral," an "illusion" and a "scheme." Marriott had argued the plan predated government efforts to close such shelters.
 
2012-08-07 01:45:53 PM  

www.hauntedshop.co.uk

The Honorable Senator Reid




Pretty diabolical trap. But much like in the film, Romney can escape if he makes some tough choices.
 
2012-08-07 01:47:58 PM  
Why isn't SkinnyHead' hounding Romney to release his long form taxes to the public.
 
2012-08-07 01:48:22 PM  
you would think that someone as bootstrappy at Mittens Rmoney would be proud of his financial history and all the Capital he has built all by himself from scratch.

How can i vote for Rmoney when he can't even be bothered to display his record of success?

what's he hiding?
 
2012-08-07 01:48:59 PM  

NeoCortex42: I'm amazed he doesn't just release them now. Between now and the election, there is still the VP pick, the conventions, several job reports, and probably a couple of major news stories. By the time November came around, most people wouldn't give a crap about them. The only thing that would have major lasting effects on the election would be if he either paid absolutely zero income tax multiple years, or took amnesty in 2009. Other than that, simply paying a lower rate that most people would blow over completely by November.


Which seems to imply that there is something pretty damaging in those returns he doesn't want people to see. It's a calculated risk. He thinks the heat he is going to take for not releasing his returns will be less than the damage he might suffer from releasing them. Of course, we've been told over and over again by Republicans that he has done nothing illegal, so it's interesting why he wouldn't want to release his perfectly legal tax returns.
 
2012-08-07 01:49:35 PM  

Death_Poot: As long as the law was followed, it's his right. I'd do the same thing.

If you don't like it, vote the right people in and change the law.



That's kind of at the crux of the whole issue with all of this. Mitt Romney is running on a campaign that says "I and rich people like me pay too much in taxes. For the good of the economy, you need to lower our taxes."

The reasonable response to this is "Well, how much *do* you pay in taxes?" to which Gov. Romney responds "That's none of your business."

If he's not doing anything illegal, than he doesn't have anything to hide according to every Republican from 9/12/2001 to 1/20/2009. Right?
 
2012-08-07 01:50:00 PM  
What was it Nixon's press secretary Ron Ziegler used to say? "Previous statements are now inoperative."

Reid's ploy also reminds me of something Hunter S. Thompson once wrote about an early LBJ smear against one of his political opponents, back when Lyndon was running for a Senate seat. It's probably an apocryphal story (considering how drug-addled Thompson was), but he reported that Johnson told a campaign staffer to start circulating scandalous lies about how his rival had a lifelong habit of indulging in carnal relations with his favorite barnyard sow.

"But we can't get away with calling him a pig-farker," the campaign aide allegedly protested. To which Johnson supposedly replied, "Oh we're not going to call him that. We're just going to keep the rumor going until the sonofabiatch has to deny it."

Reid seems to be doing much the same thing. It would be outrageous except for the fact that, after the Willie Horton attack ads against Dukakis and the swift-boating of Kerry, the Dems can now reasonably claim they're only fighting fire with fire. It's still a shame we can't have an honest debate more focused on what kind of country do we want to live in and whose vision of America represents our common values as citizens.

\haven't seen Reid enjoying himself this much in ages. Methinks he likes being the attack dog for a change.
\\disappointed with Obama, disgusted with Rmoney.
 
2012-08-07 01:50:59 PM  

Wendy's Chili: So they're calling Harry Reid a liar when they have no evidence to back it up, but they're silent on Mitt Romney's latest blatant lie.


Wendy's Chili: So they're calling Harry Reid a liar when they have no evidence to back it up, but they're silent on Mitt Romney's latest blatant lie.


Wendy's Chili: So they're calling Harry Reid a liar when they have no evidence to back it up, but they're silent on Mitt Romney's latest blatant lie.

 
2012-08-07 01:51:09 PM  

Wendy's Chili: So they're calling Harry Reid a liar when they have no evidence to back it up, but they're silent on Mitt Romney's latest blatant lie.


THIS.

I'm really getting ticked at the Romney campaign's persistence at outright fabricated issues. Between this and the "You didn't build that", all I've learned about the Romney campaign is that they are either dishonest or they have reading comprehension issues. Either way, it doesn't make me want to vote for him. There's enough legitimate stuff they could go after Obama for if they really wanted to make the campaign about the issues.
 
2012-08-07 01:51:49 PM  
So the standard is that if you make the claim, be prepared to provide evidence, or we think you are lying.

Romney claims he paid a lot of taxes for the last decade.
 
2012-08-07 01:52:00 PM  

NeoCortex42: I'm amazed he doesn't just release them now. Between now and the election, there is still the VP pick, the conventions, several job reports, and probably a couple of major news stories. By the time November came around, most people wouldn't give a crap about them. The only thing that would have major lasting effects on the election would be if he either paid absolutely zero income tax multiple years, or took amnesty in 2009. Other than that, simply paying a lower rate that most people would blow over completely by November.

On the other hand, by not releasing them it stays a story throughout the campaign.


Yeah, it makes little sense. If it's a low rate, it might be a little damaging, but not as damaging as people thinking he's hiding something. Even with a low rate, he made enough that a lot of people would be like "He paid $100,000 in taxes? Holy shat that's a lot. I'm glad I don't have to pay that." Hell, most people can't even figure out the difference between paycheck withholding (which includes things other than taxes), and their end of year refund/payment. I'm not even going to go into those that think they can take home more money by avoiding a higher tax bracket.

People are stupid and easily confused.
 
2012-08-07 01:52:22 PM  
Although for the record I think Reid is probably either lying or misinformed. I doubt Romney literally paid zero income tax for however many years.
 
MFL
2012-08-07 01:53:27 PM  
After the momentum of 2008 and the GOP left for dead....Pelosi and Reid??? Really???You guys seriously wanted those two imbeciles as the face of your party? Why congressional democrats insist on putting their biggest idiots in positions of power is beyond me.

I guess the great thing about this country is that whenever the GOP gets off track and the progressives actually do get into power (once in a generation or so)....they fark shiat up so quickly that it doesn't take much effort for the party to rise like the Dark Night and kick some OWS ass.

I never imagined 4 years ago that the GOP being as well off and organized as it is today. Even if Obama squeaks by this year (which I am growing more confident he won't by the day), the strides they have made on the state and local level will be felt for years to come.

This whole progressive experiment we've seen over the last few years is going to go down in history as nothing more than a nasty fart in a short elevator ride.
 
2012-08-07 01:53:46 PM  

Pincy: NeoCortex42: I'm amazed he doesn't just release them now. Between now and the election, there is still the VP pick, the conventions, several job reports, and probably a couple of major news stories. By the time November came around, most people wouldn't give a crap about them. The only thing that would have major lasting effects on the election would be if he either paid absolutely zero income tax multiple years, or took amnesty in 2009. Other than that, simply paying a lower rate that most people would blow over completely by November.

Which seems to imply that there is something pretty damaging in those returns he doesn't want people to see. It's a calculated risk. He thinks the heat he is going to take for not releasing his returns will be less than the damage he might suffer from releasing them. Of course, we've been told over and over again by Republicans that he has done nothing illegal, so it's interesting why he wouldn't want to release his perfectly legal tax returns.


There's also the way he dodges the issue when confronted about it. His response is always that they've already gone above and beyond the letter of the law, regardless of what the standard of presidential candidates happens to be.

He's one of those guys that when told he's wrong just responds with "Well, I'm technically correct."
 
2012-08-07 01:55:11 PM  
Prediction: Romney returns will appear from bootleg source, reveal he took advantage of federal swiss bank tax amnesty by filing amended returns, and abdicate as candidate.

Since I have seen copies of the 2004-2006 returns as amended I can verify this.
 
2012-08-07 01:55:56 PM  

The Homer Tax: I love the Washington Post "Fact" Checker almost as much of politifact

"Harry Reid says that Mitt Romney didn't pay any Taxes for the last 10 years."

[A bunch of paragraphs with no actual facts showing that Mitt Romney paid taxes the last 10 years].

"Therefore Harry Reid is totes lying. Also some butthurt about decorum."

I agree that Reid is likely full of shiat, Romney probably paid taxes...he's just probably paid an absurdly low rate on them - which is why he's hiding it from everyone. But the WP "Fact Checker" didn't factually check shiat.

Damn liberal MSM Media.


Reid just said that someone told him that and he had no idea if it were true or not. Dana Bash from CNN talked to the same source and confirmed that he told Reid that.
so Reid isn't lying.

Romney is lying about "you didn't build that" , " Obama wants to stop military from voting", and that's just this last week. everything the man says is a lie.
 
2012-08-07 01:56:24 PM  

Jackson Herring: Wendy's Chili: So they're calling Harry Reid a liar when they have no evidence to back it up, but they're silent on Mitt Romney's latest blatant lie.

Wendy's Chili: So they're calling Harry Reid a liar when they have no evidence to back it up, but they're silent on Mitt Romney's latest blatant lie.

Wendy's Chili: So they're calling Harry Reid a liar when they have no evidence to back it up, but they're silent on Mitt Romney's latest blatant lie.



It would be heartwarming if Reid were to sue them for libel. They are impugning his character.
 
2012-08-07 01:57:24 PM  

Jackson Herring: Although for the record I think Reid is probably either lying or misinformed. I doubt Romney literally paid zero income tax for however many years.


Well, according to my FarkNote, you don't know how many varieties of Kraft Singles there are. How can we trust you?
 
2012-08-07 01:58:30 PM  

MFL: After the momentum of 2008 and the GOP left for dead....Pelosi and Reid??? Really???You guys seriously wanted those two imbeciles as the face of your party? Why congressional democrats insist on putting their biggest idiots in positions of power is beyond me.


Name, with specific examples, what makes them idiots.
 
2012-08-07 01:59:50 PM  
When attempting to engage in baseless speculation over what it is that's in Mitt Romney's tax statements that's so embarassing he'd rather take the heat for non-disclosure, I think it's important to remember that he was actively running for president in 2007 and 2008. That means it's relatively unlike he was doing anything during those years that he thought couldn't withstand scrutiny. So why not release a nice even five years of tax data? Perhaps because of something that happened in 2009.

Something like this:

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.


The decision shattered a long-held belief that Swiss banks would guard the identities of its American customers as carefully as they did their money, and it raised concern that other international tax havens might be next. Under an amnesty program, the IRS is allowing taxpayers to avoid prosecution for having failed to report their overseas accounts. As a result, tax attorneys across the nation have been besieged by wealthy clients who are lining up to apply even though they will still face big financial penalties.
Romney might well have thought in 2007 and 2008 that there was nothing to fear about a non-disclosed offshore account he'd set up years earlier precisely because it wasn't disclosed. But then came the settlement and the rush of non-disclosers to apply for the amnesty. Failing to apply for the amnesty and then getting charged by the IRS would have been both financially and politically disastrous. So amnesty it was. But even though the amnesty would eliminate any legal or financial liability for past acts, it would hardly eliminate political liability.

Mitt: when should I produce your amended retrurns - before, or after, you're nomination? You know where I can be reached.
 
2012-08-07 01:59:55 PM  
wasn't intended to be a factual statement
 
2012-08-07 02:02:41 PM  

mr.Curmudgeon: If only there was some way for Romney to put this whole story to rest...


There isn't. The truth is apparently as bad as or worse than the speculation.
 
2012-08-07 02:02:49 PM  
I like it that this makes the campaign about Romney (white, morman, rich) VS. Reid (white, morman, rich). Level the playing field a bit. I see Obama troll fu behind this.
 
2012-08-07 02:03:59 PM  

Hogbreath: Prediction: Romney returns will appear from bootleg source, reveal he took advantage of federal swiss bank tax amnesty by filing amended returns, and abdicate as candidate.

Since I have seen copies of the 2004-2006 returns as amended I can verify this.


Where the hell is anonymous or WikiLeaks when you need them?
 
2012-08-07 02:04:04 PM  

Hogbreath: When attempting to engage in baseless speculation over what it is that's in Mitt Romney's tax statements that's so embarassing he'd rather take the heat for non-disclosure, I think it's important to remember that he was actively running for president in 2007 and 2008. That means it's relatively unlike he was doing anything during those years that he thought couldn't withstand scrutiny. So why not release a nice even five years of tax data? Perhaps because of something that happened in 2009.

Something like this:

Wealthy U.S. taxpayers, concerned about an Internal Revenue Service crackdown on the use of secret overseas bank accounts as tax havens, are rushing to meet a Thursday deadline to disclose those accounts or face possible criminal prosecution. The concern was triggered this summer when Switzerland's largest bank, caught up in an international tax evasion dispute, said it would disclose the names of more than 4,000 of its U.S. account holders.


The decision shattered a long-held belief that Swiss banks would guard the identities of its American customers as carefully as they did their money, and it raised concern that other international tax havens might be next. Under an amnesty program, the IRS is allowing taxpayers to avoid prosecution for having failed to report their overseas accounts. As a result, tax attorneys across the nation have been besieged by wealthy clients who are lining up to apply even though they will still face big financial penalties.
Romney might well have thought in 2007 and 2008 that there was nothing to fear about a non-disclosed offshore account he'd set up years earlier precisely because it wasn't disclosed. But then came the settlement and the rush of non-disclosers to apply for the amnesty. Failing to apply for the amnesty and then getting charged by the IRS would have been both financially and politically disastrous. So amnesty it was. But even though the amnesty would eliminate any legal or financial liability for past acts, ...


I don't get it. Wouldn't taking an offered amnesty for a crime be like going to trial? Shouldn't it be public record?

I don't know the answer, I'm asking.
 
2012-08-07 02:04:14 PM  

MFL: This whole progressive experiment we've seen over the last few years is going to go down in history as nothing more than a nasty fart in a short elevator ride.


We've actually been doing the "progressive experiment" for quite a few decades now, since the time of progressive taxation and social services and universal primary education we have become the most powerful nation on the planet with the highest GDP. The parts of the nation that have chipped the most away from the progressive experiment are the fattest, lowest income and least educated states, strange coincidence amirite??
 
2012-08-07 02:04:38 PM  
Reid didn't say that Romney paid no taxes in the last decade.

He said that Romney paid no federal income taxes for a ten-year period. Romney's reaction leads me to believe that Reid's claims are true.
 
2012-08-07 02:05:14 PM  

qorkfiend: impaler: HairBolus: Maybe because the deep-throat is a Mormon, Reid is the highest ranking Mormon in the US, and the whistle blower is upset that Romney is hiding his income and not paying the proper 10% tithe to the Mormon church.

Interesting angle...

Of course this brings up the question: what if Romney doesn't want to release his taxes, because the church didn't really get their 10%?

I don't think that matters all that much. The only people who will care what the LDS does are members of the LDS; the left won't care because that's less money the LDS has to spend on political advocacy, and the religious right won't care because they don't like Mormons. Also, the LDS is not going to publicly excoriate the first Mormon candidate for president during the election.


Nobody has envisioned the Mormon church hierarchy PUBLICLY going after Romney for not tithing enough. However that doesn't mean that individual Mormons cannot be upset about his tithing. Maybe the church has secretly put out the word not to raise Romney tithing issues but if such commands from on high become public they will really hurt Romney.
 
2012-08-07 02:05:17 PM  

Hobodeluxe: The Homer Tax: I love the Washington Post "Fact" Checker almost as much of politifact

"Harry Reid says that Mitt Romney didn't pay any Taxes for the last 10 years."

[A bunch of paragraphs with no actual facts showing that Mitt Romney paid taxes the last 10 years].

"Therefore Harry Reid is totes lying. Also some butthurt about decorum."

I agree that Reid is likely full of shiat, Romney probably paid taxes...he's just probably paid an absurdly low rate on them - which is why he's hiding it from everyone. But the WP "Fact Checker" didn't factually check shiat.

Damn liberal MSM Media.

Reid just said that someone told him that and he had no idea if it were true or not. Dana Bash from CNN talked to the same source and confirmed that he told Reid that.
so Reid isn't lying.

Romney is lying about "you didn't build that" , " Obama wants to stop military from voting", and that's just this last week. everything the man says is a lie.


Dana Bash has been hitting it out of the park lately. First the loophole for insider trading, now this. If her face didn't turn my sausage into an acorn, I'd fap to her gently at night.
 
2012-08-07 02:05:35 PM  

MFL: I never imagined 4 years ago that the GOP being as well off and organized as it is today.


Haha, you've got to be kidding me.

The GOP: So well-off and organized that the best candidate they could put up against a beatable incumbent in an improving but still weak economy was...Mitt Romney!
 
2012-08-07 02:06:17 PM  
America is crumbling, and Obama's just sitting there, living high on the hog. Father in heaven, help us through these difficult times, and guide us through this horrible presidence, this winter. Smith for us a new world, a new order, that will save us from these stupid libs, unless they can see the light. Fantasticly, it looks like Romney's going to win, and save us from our long, grim night. Watch as he saves us from those stupid foreigners, and all their small gods. He, at least, understands the sacrifice made by our men at arms, and how to thud our opponents into the dirt. What does Obama have? Just some stupid Jingoism, worshiping his damn pyramids and pyramid gods. He can't save us from the muslims going postal, he's got feet of clay, not the warrior's spirit we need! Obama just sits in his oval office, listening to soul music while the REAL americans are out there, making money! He's such a pratt. Chet, we haven't a hope in the world if he stays in office...

/can you see what I did thar?
 
2012-08-07 02:06:32 PM  
I know who could solve this mystery. Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Send him to Switzerland.
 
2012-08-07 02:07:41 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: I don't get it. Wouldn't taking an offered amnesty for a crime be like going to trial? Shouldn't it be public record?

I don't know the answer, I'm asking.


These people are really really /i>rich.
 
2012-08-07 02:08:26 PM  

Hogbreath: I think it's important to remember that he was actively running for president in 2007 and 2008. That means it's relatively unlike he was doing anything during those years that he thought couldn't withstand scrutiny.



They only needed to withstand scrutiny if he planned on releasing his returns. Given recent events I don't think that is a solid assumption to make.
 
2012-08-07 02:09:16 PM  

HairBolus: qorkfiend: impaler: HairBolus: Maybe because the deep-throat is a Mormon, Reid is the highest ranking Mormon in the US, and the whistle blower is upset that Romney is hiding his income and not paying the proper 10% tithe to the Mormon church.

Interesting angle...

Of course this brings up the question: what if Romney doesn't want to release his taxes, because the church didn't really get their 10%?

I don't think that matters all that much. The only people who will care what the LDS does are members of the LDS; the left won't care because that's less money the LDS has to spend on political advocacy, and the religious right won't care because they don't like Mormons. Also, the LDS is not going to publicly excoriate the first Mormon candidate for president during the election.

Nobody has envisioned the Mormon church hierarchy PUBLICLY going after Romney for not tithing enough. However that doesn't mean that individual Mormons cannot be upset about his tithing. Maybe the church has secretly put out the word not to raise Romney tithing issues but if such commands from on high become public they will really hurt Romney.


I don't think that would hurt Romney any more than just being a Mormon. People outside the LDS don't care what LDS does internally.
 
2012-08-07 02:09:24 PM  

I_C_Weener: I know who could solve this mystery. Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Send him to Switzerland.


Only if they agree to keep him.
 
2012-08-07 02:09:25 PM  

The Homer Tax: MFL: I never imagined 4 years ago that the GOP being as well off and organized as it is today.

Haha, you've got to be kidding me.

The GOP: So well-off and organized that the best candidate they could put up against a beatable incumbent in an improving but still weak economy was...Mitt Romney!


And so organized that veteran Republican politicians are being kicked out on their ass in favor of extremist newbies who can't take a shiat without trying to use it to ban abortion.
 
2012-08-07 02:11:16 PM  

Felgraf: /can you see what I did thar?


It is a pune, or a play on words.
 
2012-08-07 02:12:08 PM  

impaler: USA Prime Credit Peggy: I don't get it. Wouldn't taking an offered amnesty for a crime be like going to trial? Shouldn't it be public record?

I don't know the answer, I'm asking.

These people are really really rich.


Right... I forgot the rules don't apply to them.
 
2012-08-07 02:12:45 PM  

Jackson Herring: Wendy's Chili: So they're calling Harry Reid a liar when they have no evidence to back it up, but they're silent on Mitt Romney's latest blatant lie.

Wendy's Chili: So they're calling Harry Reid a liar when they have no evidence to back it up, but they're silent on Mitt Romney's latest blatant lie.

Wendy's Chili: So they're calling Harry Reid a liar when they have no evidence to back it up, but they're silent on Mitt Romney's latest blatant lie.


Take heart! Though it did only earn three Pinocchios instead of four.
 
2012-08-07 02:12:54 PM  
Jesus. What's in your tax returns, Mitt? Evidence you raped and killed a girl every year from 1990 to 2011? We'll never know for sure... unless you release them.
 
2012-08-07 02:13:44 PM  

NeoCortex42: I_C_Weener: I know who could solve this mystery. Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Send him to Switzerland.

Only if they agree to keep him.


Switzerland doesn't take sides...or sheriffs.
 
2012-08-07 02:15:03 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Felgraf: /can you see what I did thar?

It is a pune, or a play on words.


I'm just amazed by how many I was able to cram in there!
 
2012-08-07 02:15:16 PM  

ferretman: namatad: Is it possible that the caller and reid are speaking hyperbolically?
Zero taxes being equated with an absurdly low tax rate? Say 5%?

Did ANYONE think that zero taxes should be taken literally as absolutely nothing? LOL

That being said, STFU and release your tax records already rmoney!!! You have nothing to gain by keeping them secret at this point and you just look like you are hiding something hideous.

unless of course you paid zero taxes.

BWEAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Romney has released what is required by LAW. He has no need/reason to release any more.


If this issue is so unimportant to Romney, why was it Romney who was insisting his opponents release THEIR returns so we'd know they weren't hiding anything?
 
2012-08-07 02:16:04 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: monoski: McCain saw'em and chose Palin

And he also hasn't called Reid a liar.


There's a lot of speculation that McCain is the person who gave Reid the information on Romney's income taxes. It makes sense; he saw Romney's taxes in 2008, and he has no reason to like Mitt at all.
 
2012-08-07 02:16:09 PM  

Death_Poot: Tickle Mittens: One of the lines in the article from their own expert is something to the effect of "it's possible he paid 2%, that's close enough to zero

[malvasiabianca.org image 330x186]

As long as the law was followed, it's his right. I'd do the same thing.

If you don't like it, vote the right people in and change the law.


Who's saying hypocrisy is illegal? But only republicans consider it a hallmark of leadership.
 
2012-08-07 02:16:11 PM  

Dog Welder: why was it Romney who was insisting his opponents release THEIR returns so we'd know they weren't hiding anything?


Psychological projection.
 
2012-08-07 02:17:43 PM  

Tickle Mittens: "it's possible he paid 2%, that's close enough to zero
.................................................
As long as the law was followed, it's his right. I'd do the same thing.

If you don't like it, vote the right people in and change the law.


Maybe Romney's afraid that's what the American people will do?
 
2012-08-07 02:17:52 PM  

MFL: Why congressional democrats insist on putting their biggest idiots in positions of power is beyond me.


Stopped reading right here.

From the party of McConnell and Boner, Bachmann and the Tea Party.

LOL
 
2012-08-07 02:17:58 PM  
i47.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-07 02:18:15 PM  

Les Comdien Masque: Take heart! Though it did only earn three Pinocchios instead of four.


I'm sure Politifact will give it a "mostly true"
 
2012-08-07 02:18:44 PM  

Bendal: Dusk-You-n-Me: monoski: McCain saw'em and chose Palin

And he also hasn't called Reid a liar.

There's a lot of speculation that McCain is the person who gave Reid the information on Romney's income taxes. It makes sense; he saw Romney's taxes in 2008, and he has no reason to like Mitt at all.


He has no reason to undermine him on this issue by going to high-ranking members of the opposite party, either.
 
2012-08-07 02:21:30 PM  

Bendal: Dusk-You-n-Me: monoski: McCain saw'em and chose Palin

And he also hasn't called Reid a liar.

There's a lot of speculation that McCain is the person who gave Reid the information on Romney's income taxes. It makes sense; he saw Romney's taxes in 2008, and he has no reason to like Mitt at all.


I'm inclined to agree. The old coot has no dog in this fight, and apparently he does hate Romney. It may be his way of getting back at the Rovian machine, which is fully backing Romney now, who knows.

I do believe at least the Obama campaign does know for sure what's in those taxes, which is why they're pushing the issue.
 
2012-08-07 02:22:30 PM  
I give that article 4 Pinocchios. An unsubstantiated claim is not a lie, and if you're in the business of calling out lies, calling Reid a liar is a lie. You should know what a lie is. Call him wrong or stupid for making such a claim, but that's not a lie.

You can try to find out if a former Bain investor told him that Romney paid no taxes for 10 years. If that didn't happen, then he's a liar.

Are there any fact checking websites out there worth anything? Politifact is useless.
 
2012-08-07 02:22:32 PM  

I_C_Weener: I know who could solve this mystery. Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Send him to Switzerland.


I was hoping we could send Mystery Inc. Those meddling kids can solve any mystery.

And I'm betting when they tear off Mitt Romney's rubber mask, John Kerry will be revealed! The horror!
 
2012-08-07 02:24:33 PM  

MyRandomName: Every day liberals sound more and more like the birthers they once derided.


For this to be true, Romney's tax filings would have to have been posted in a newspaper decades ago and an IRS official would have to come out and acknowledge that his taxes were paid each year and the evidence is on file.
 
2012-08-07 02:25:04 PM  

qorkfiend: Bendal: Dusk-You-n-Me: monoski: McCain saw'em and chose Palin

And he also hasn't called Reid a liar.

There's a lot of speculation that McCain is the person who gave Reid the information on Romney's income taxes. It makes sense; he saw Romney's taxes in 2008, and he has no reason to like Mitt at all.

He has no reason to undermine him on this issue by going to high-ranking members of the opposite party, either.



That you know of.
 
2012-08-07 02:26:01 PM  

qorkfiend: HairBolus: qorkfiend: impaler: HairBolus: Maybe because the deep-throat is a Mormon, Reid is the highest ranking Mormon in the US, and the whistle blower is upset that Romney is hiding his income and not paying the proper 10% tithe to the Mormon church.

Interesting angle...

Of course this brings up the question: what if Romney doesn't want to release his taxes, because the church didn't really get their 10%?

I don't think that matters all that much. The only people who will care what the LDS does are members of the LDS; the left won't care because that's less money the LDS has to spend on political advocacy, and the religious right won't care because they don't like Mormons. Also, the LDS is not going to publicly excoriate the first Mormon candidate for president during the election.

Nobody has envisioned the Mormon church hierarchy PUBLICLY going after Romney for not tithing enough. However that doesn't mean that individual Mormons cannot be upset about his tithing. Maybe the church has secretly put out the word not to raise Romney tithing issues but if such commands from on high become public they will really hurt Romney.

I don't think that would hurt Romney any more than just being a Mormon. People outside the LDS don't care what LDS does internally.


Huh? Let me distill the point down for middle America: "Romney claims to be a good Christian. He isn't even a good Mormon because he is cheating the Mormon church".
 
2012-08-07 02:26:55 PM  
I also heard that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1992. Why hasn't he come out and refuted these claims? He's obviously guilty!
 
2012-08-07 02:27:14 PM  

PreMortem: qorkfiend: Bendal: Dusk-You-n-Me: monoski: McCain saw'em and chose Palin

And he also hasn't called Reid a liar.

There's a lot of speculation that McCain is the person who gave Reid the information on Romney's income taxes. It makes sense; he saw Romney's taxes in 2008, and he has no reason to like Mitt at all.

He has no reason to undermine him on this issue by going to high-ranking members of the opposite party, either.


That you know of.


If he was that disaffected with the GOP, he would have left the party and joined Lieberman as an Independent.
 
2012-08-07 02:27:46 PM  
You have to give credit to the Democrats for successfully keeping this issue on the forefront of election coverage. You know they'd much rather this election be a referendum on Mitt Romney as a person as opposed to a referendum on Obama's job performance. They are just taking Romney's team to school right now.
 
2012-08-07 02:28:21 PM  

MyRandomName: mr.Curmudgeon: If only there was some way for Romney to put this whole story to rest...

Every day liberals sound more and more like the birthers they once derided.


....But Obama released the birth certificate. Romney hasn't released the taxes. Not the same at all.
 
2012-08-07 02:28:48 PM  

HairBolus: qorkfiend: HairBolus: qorkfiend: impaler: HairBolus: Maybe because the deep-throat is a Mormon, Reid is the highest ranking Mormon in the US, and the whistle blower is upset that Romney is hiding his income and not paying the proper 10% tithe to the Mormon church.

Interesting angle...

Of course this brings up the question: what if Romney doesn't want to release his taxes, because the church didn't really get their 10%?

I don't think that matters all that much. The only people who will care what the LDS does are members of the LDS; the left won't care because that's less money the LDS has to spend on political advocacy, and the religious right won't care because they don't like Mormons. Also, the LDS is not going to publicly excoriate the first Mormon candidate for president during the election.

Nobody has envisioned the Mormon church hierarchy PUBLICLY going after Romney for not tithing enough. However that doesn't mean that individual Mormons cannot be upset about his tithing. Maybe the church has secretly put out the word not to raise Romney tithing issues but if such commands from on high become public they will really hurt Romney.

I don't think that would hurt Romney any more than just being a Mormon. People outside the LDS don't care what LDS does internally.

Huh? Let me distill the point down for middle America: "Romney claims to be a good Christian. He isn't even a good Mormon because he is cheating the Mormon church".


Middle America doesn't think Mormons are Christians, so they don't care whether or not he's a good Mormon.
 
2012-08-07 02:29:30 PM  

Nabb1: You know they'd much rather this election be a referendum on Mitt Romney as a person as opposed to a referendum on Obama's job performance.


hasn't the economy consistently gotten better over his term?
 
2012-08-07 02:30:26 PM  

Headso: Nabb1: You know they'd much rather this election be a referendum on Mitt Romney as a person as opposed to a referendum on Obama's job performance.

hasn't the economy consistently gotten better over his term?


NOT FAST ENOUGH! WHAARRRRGRRRBLLL
 
2012-08-07 02:30:50 PM  

andersoncouncil42: I give that article 4 Pinocchios. An unsubstantiated claim is not a lie, and if you're in the business of calling out lies, calling Reid a liar is a lie. You should know what a lie is. Call him wrong or stupid for making such a claim, but that's not a lie.

You can try to find out if a former Bain investor told him that Romney paid no taxes for 10 years. If that didn't happen, then he's a liar.

Are there any fact checking websites out there worth anything? Politifact is useless.


Actually, the expert they hired to check Ried's claim said, with the information the Post provided him, it could be "close enough for me." It's hilarious that they even included that quote in the article. It tells me that they don't expect any one to actually read their paper, and they follow that up with a conclusion that tells me no one should.
 
2012-08-07 02:32:43 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: xanadian: ANY taxes? Bullshiat. INCOME taxes? Maybe, but probably not.

Bottom line: when Romney comes out and insists he DID pay taxes, then the burden of proof is on him to back up that claim of action. Why is he afraid to do so? Forget about Reid. This is about Romney.


Oh... I guess I can see why Reid did it. He's forcing R'Money's hand. Just as long as there isn't significant backlash when R'Money calls Reid's bluff.

Lost Thought 00: xanadian: ANY taxes? Bullshiat. INCOME taxes? Maybe, but probably not.

WTF is Reid smoking??

Doesn't matter. It's now part of the national consciousness. Reid and the democrats won, and no amount of debunking will ever reverse that.


Hmm. this is a good point, too.

sabreWulf07: xanadian: ANY taxes? Bullshiat. INCOME taxes? Maybe, but probably not.

Nope, none. He has effectively paid zero taxes, because there is no contradictory evidence to tell us otherwise. No tax returns, no taxes. Some people are saying he got refunds. The Worthers are right, if he'd just release his real long-form tax returns with all attachments we could clear up this whole mess.


I love their candies.

/no, but I get it now. They've taken a page from the birthers' playbook.
 
2012-08-07 02:34:03 PM  

Headso: hasn't the economy consistently gotten better over his term?


but but
 
2012-08-07 02:35:10 PM  

Nabb1: You have to give credit to the Democrats for successfully keeping this issue on the forefront of election coverage. You know they'd much rather this election be a referendum on Mitt Romney as a person as opposed to a referendum on Obama's job performance. They are just taking Romney's team to school right now.


Yeah, it's like the Democrats and Republicans decided to switch jerseys for an election, which is odd because Romney has been notorious in the past for campaigning like an asshole. The best they can muster is a couple out-of-context Obama quotes and Solyndra? Seriously? I'm half-expecting Romney to start crying during a press conference and beg everyone to just let him go home.
 
2012-08-07 02:35:19 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: [www.hauntedshop.co.uk image 500x334]

The Honorable Senator Reid


Pretty diabolical trap. But much like in the film, Romney can escape if he makes some tough choices.


I *love* the analogy.
 
2012-08-07 02:35:34 PM  
This whole progressive experiment we've seen over the last few years is going to go down in history as nothing more than a nasty fart in a short elevator ride.

If only that were true. There is no greater danger to freedom then progressive thinking. The really sad part is that I truly believe that a lot of progressives truly believe they are the good guys. Just do what they want and believe as they do and humanity would be all the better. However, we tried that. Late 1800s and early 1900s were completely dominated by progressives the world over. tt was a disaster and must never ever be allowed to happen again.
 
2012-08-07 02:36:20 PM  

xanadian: Oh... I guess I can see why Reid did it. He's forcing R'Money's hand. Just as long as there isn't significant backlash when R'Money calls Reid's bluff.


I'm pretty sure that's why they used Reid - a high-profile Democrat with no direct connection to the campaign, recently re-elected, who also happens to be a Mormon like Romney - instead of someone else.
 
2012-08-07 02:37:01 PM  

walkingtall: This whole progressive experiment we've seen over the last few years is going to go down in history as nothing more than a nasty fart in a short elevator ride.

If only that were true. There is no greater danger to freedom then progressive thinking.


FTFY
 
2012-08-07 02:38:12 PM  

qorkfiend: I'm pretty sure that's why they used Reid - a high-profile Democrat with no direct connection to the campaign, recently re-elected, who also happens to be a Mormon like Romney - instead of someone else.


I only recently found out that Reid is also Mormon. I've been waiting for the derp brigade to say Reid's attack is based on religious bigotry just to be able to point that out since it's not something that widely known.

/I'm petty like that.
 
2012-08-07 02:40:03 PM  

Headso: hasn't the economy consistently gotten better over his term?


I suppose if you want to frame it in such a way to polish a turd, sure.

USA Prime Credit Peggy: NOT FAST ENOUGH! WHAARRRRGRRRBLLL


Well, according to this guy: Obama: US Economy Improving, But Not Fast Enough

But, hey, you said "WHAARRRRGRRRBLLL," truly an indication of unbridled genius and rapier wit. So, you've got that going for you.
 
2012-08-07 02:41:03 PM  

Nabb1: I suppose if you want to frame it in such a way to polish a turd, sure.


What evidence can you provide to back up your assertion that the economy has not gotten better over Obama's first term in office?
 
2012-08-07 02:41:48 PM  

MFL: After the momentum of 2008 and the GOP left for dead....Pelosi and Reid??? Really???You guys seriously wanted those two imbeciles as the face of your party? Why congressional democrats insist on putting their biggest idiots in positions of power is beyond me.

I guess the great thing about this country is that whenever the GOP gets off track and the progressives actually do get into power (once in a generation or so)....they fark shiat up so quickly that it doesn't take much effort for the party to rise like the Dark Night and kick some OWS ass.

I never imagined 4 years ago that the GOP being as well off and organized as it is today. Even if Obama squeaks by this year (which I am growing more confident he won't by the day), the strides they have made on the state and local level will be felt for years to come.

This whole progressive experiment we've seen over the last few years is going to go down in history as nothing more than a nasty fart in a short elevator ride.


Progressive experiment? Did you even follow policy for the Obama years?

That aside. I can't see Romney beating Obama. He's unrelatable, changes positions daily, and has seemed to be a diplomatic liability on his recent trip. Not to mention his economic policies are basically a Bush 2.0.
 
2012-08-07 02:42:19 PM  

qorkfiend: Middle America doesn't think Mormons are Christians, so they don't care whether or not he's a good Mormon.


Mormons dont think Mormons are Christians. In Mormon Doctrine Jesus was simply god of this world. There are gods of many other worlds etc etc. Completely out of step with Christian teachings. Mormons kind of see themselves as completed Christans. Christians that have taken the next step of truth. That is the best 25 word or less synopsis of why Mormonism and Christianity are not the same thing.
 
2012-08-07 02:42:31 PM  

Jackson Herring: Les Comdien Masque: Take heart! Though it did only earn three Pinocchios instead of four.

I'm sure Politifact will give it a "mostly true"


Surprise!
 
2012-08-07 02:43:30 PM  

Les Comdien Masque: Jackson Herring: Les Comdien Masque: Take heart! Though it did only earn three Pinocchios instead of four.

I'm sure Politifact will give it a "mostly true"

Surprise!


Wow, I actually AM surprised.
 
2012-08-07 02:46:32 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Headso: Nabb1: You know they'd much rather this election be a referendum on Mitt Romney as a person as opposed to a referendum on Obama's job performance.

hasn't the economy consistently gotten better over his term?

NOT FAST ENOUGH! WHAARRRRGRRRBLLL


And Obama's skin isn't getting any less negro, so the whargarble will continue.
 
2012-08-07 02:46:58 PM  

Nabb1: Headso: hasn't the economy consistently gotten better over his term?

I suppose if you want to frame it in such a way to polish a turd, sure.


Do you think that parroting the republican talking-point that Obama can't run on his record is a strategy by republicans to get out in front of his campaign so that it poisons the well for any ads touting his successes on foreign policy and the economy? When Obama did that same thing with Bain it seemed accepted, among many of the politics tab people anyway, that it is part of an election strategy. But you seem to be really buying into that narrative, you really believe that, huh?
 
2012-08-07 02:48:47 PM  

Felgraf: America is crumbling, and Obama's just sitting there, living high on the hog. Father in heaven, help us through these difficult times, and guide us through this horrible presidence, this winter. Smith for us a new world, a new order, that will save us from these stupid libs, unless they can see the light. Fantasticly, it looks like Romney's going to win, and save us from our long, grim night. Watch as he saves us from those stupid foreigners, and all their small gods. He, at least, understands the sacrifice made by our men at arms, and how to thud our opponents into the dirt. What does Obama have? Just some stupid Jingoism, worshiping his damn pyramids and pyramid gods. He can't save us from the muslims going postal, he's got feet of clay, not the warrior's spirit we need! Obama just sits in his oval office, listening to soul music while the REAL americans are out there, making money! He's such a pratt. Chet, we haven't a hope in the world if he stays in office...

/can you see what I did thar?


That's...that's beautiful
 
2012-08-07 02:51:56 PM  

qorkfiend: PreMortem: qorkfiend: Bendal: Dusk-You-n-Me: monoski: McCain saw'em and chose Palin

And he also hasn't called Reid a liar.

There's a lot of speculation that McCain is the person who gave Reid the information on Romney's income taxes. It makes sense; he saw Romney's taxes in 2008, and he has no reason to like Mitt at all.

He has no reason to undermine him on this issue by going to high-ranking members of the opposite party, either.


That you know of.

If he was that disaffected with the GOP, he would have left the party and joined Lieberman as an Independent.



Who said he was disaffected with the GOP? Could be lots of reasons why he would out Mitt.

Then there is this, CNN Dana Bash: "I did speak to one source who is very close to Senator Reid who claims to also know who the Bain investor is that Reid spoke with, and insists that it is a credible person and this person if we knew the name we would understand they would have the authority and the ability to know about Romney's tax returns."

Why would a random investor with Bain have access to a previous CEOs tax returns?

and this: "he (Reid) said, a person who had invested with Bain Capital called his office.
"Harry, he didn't pay any taxes for 10 years," Reid recounted the person as saying.


1. Who the hell calls the Senate Majority Leaders office (directly)
2. Who the hell gets to talk with said Majority Leader
3. Who the hell calls him by his first name Harry?

John the hell McCain does, that's who.
 
2012-08-07 02:53:59 PM  

walkingtall: This whole progressive experiment we've seen over the last few years is going to go down in history as nothing more than a nasty fart in a short elevator ride.

If only that were true. There is no greater danger to freedom then progressive thinking. The really sad part is that I truly believe that a lot of progressives truly believe they are the good guys. Just do what they want and believe as they do and humanity would be all the better. However, we tried that. Late 1800s and early 1900s were completely dominated by progressives the world over. tt was a disaster and must never ever be allowed to happen again.


I swear to god this is the stupidest thing I have ever seen you write. And I've seen you write some seriously stupid things. It's like what Terry Schiavo would have said if she had been able to speak, only dumber.
 
2012-08-07 02:55:26 PM  

Tickle Mittens: One of the lines in the article from their own expert is something to the effect of "it's possible he paid 2%, that's close enough to zero for me" then immediately after that it's 'still, we choose to eschew the commentary of the expert we hand picked in the article we wrote, and give him 4 jimminy christmasses because while Harry Reid's comments were close we heard he pals around with a black guy.'

That's some fine reporting there.... it does nothing to disabuse me of the opinion that the only journalism practiced in the United States is practiced by sports journalists.


I think The New Yorker is still putting out some excellent investigative journalism.
 
2012-08-07 02:56:33 PM  
This is called "Taking one for the team"...

Does Reid have any evidence? Probably not. Maybe they're saving it for the Fall... Who knows?

But, what he did do was keep the "Romney won't release his tax returns because he's hiding something" story going in the media for another week or two.

It also further cements the narrative that Romney is an out of touch plutocrat who wants the middle classes and poor to pay for tax cuts for people like him.

It's usually the GOP who are quite good with these types of tactics, so it's surprising to see them falling for this hook, line and sinker...

The Romney Campaign has been completely flat-footed in handling this, too. That's not surprising, as they've proven to be quite inept over the last few months.
 
2012-08-07 02:57:40 PM  

Muk_Man: That aside. I can't see Romney beating Obama. He's unrelatable, changes positions daily, and has seemed to be a diplomatic liability on his recent trip. Not to mention his economic policies are basically a Bush 2.0.


It is sad that the Republicans cannot come up with a better candidate than this. My 3 year old could be campaign manager for Obama and he will still win by 6 points in November. They literally have to do nothing whatsover about facing the issues. Im not even sure Romney will debate. Obama could stand in front of the White House and sacrifice children and the front page would read. "President bravely tackles population problem, where are Romey's tax returns?"
 
2012-08-07 02:58:03 PM  
I'm sure RoMONEY paid his taxes.........to China.
 
2012-08-07 03:00:17 PM  

PreMortem: John the hell McCain does, that's who.


Between him shouting down Crazy Eyes over that Clinton aide, and this (if it's true), I get a nice warm feeling in my heart.
 
2012-08-07 03:04:39 PM  

walkingtall: Muk_Man: That aside. I can't see Romney beating Obama. He's unrelatable, changes positions daily, and has seemed to be a diplomatic liability on his recent trip. Not to mention his economic policies are basically a Bush 2.0.

It is sad that the Republicans cannot come up with a better candidate than this. My 3 year old could be campaign manager for Obama and he will still win by 6 points in November. They literally have to do nothing whatsover about facing the issues. Im not even sure Romney will debate. Obama could stand in front of the White House and sacrifice children and the front page would read. "President bravely tackles population problem, where are Romey's tax returns?"


Good god they let you breed?
 
2012-08-07 03:05:45 PM  

PreMortem: Who said he was disaffected with the GOP? Could be lots of reasons why he would out Mitt.


Such as? In spite of their personal relationship they're still members of the same political party. If John McCain embraced Bush after what Bush and Rove did to him in the South Carolina primary, there's no absolutely no reason to out Mitt Romney to Harry Reid. John McCain would have to be very upset with the GOP establishment to torpedo his party's nominee like this. I'm not saying it's impossible, it's just very unlikely.

PreMortem: 1. Who the hell calls the Senate Majority Leaders office (directly)
2. Who the hell gets to talk with said Majority Leader
3. Who the hell calls him by his first name Harry?

John the hell McCain does, that's who.


There are plenty of other people who have the same access. John McCain is not the only person who can call the Senate Majority Leader's office, speak to him, and is on a first name basis.
 
2012-08-07 03:06:57 PM  

walkingtall: White House and sacrifice children and the front page would read. "President bravely tackles population problem, where are Romey's tax returns?"


because of the lamestream liberal driveby media conspiracy, amirite?
 
2012-08-07 03:08:16 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: I swear to god this is the stupidest thing I have ever seen you write. And I've seen you write some seriously stupid things. It's like what Terry Schiavo would have said if she had been able to speak, only dumber.


I may in fact have written stupid things before, this is not one of them. You can get mad and stomp your feet all you want but the truth is progressive ideology, which have little to do with true liberalism by the way, has been dangerous and will continue to be dangerous. It is not dangerous necessarily on the surface. Eugene Debs had some great ideas to be sure. The problem comes in how to implement them. That is where the true insidiousness of progressive theology comes to the forefront. In every instance where circumstances were just right and progressives were given the power to implement whole cloth it gets ugly fast. Progressives deserve to have a voice. There have been many great progressives who fought the good fight. They simply cannot ever be given the keys to the car. Advisory only. Never real power.
 
2012-08-07 03:09:09 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

Seriously, Washington Post? You expect an educated reader to swallow that article and not laugh in your face?
 
2012-08-07 03:11:41 PM  

qorkfiend:
There are plenty of other people who have the same access. John McCain is not the only person who can call the Senate Majority Leader's office, speak to him, and is on a first name basis.


Of these plenty of people (which I doubt, that's what staffers are for), who would have the authority and the ability to know about Romney's tax returns?

It just fits what has been said and reported on. If you can come up with a viable other I'd be willing to listen.
 
2012-08-07 03:13:14 PM  

keylock71: This is called "Taking one for the team"...

Does Reid have any evidence? Probably not. Maybe they're saving it for the Fall... Who knows?

But, what he did do was keep the "Romney won't release his tax returns because he's hiding something" story going in the media for another week or two.

It also further cements the narrative that Romney is an out of touch plutocrat who wants the middle classes and poor to pay for tax cuts for people like him.

It's usually the GOP who are quite good with these types of tactics, so it's surprising to see them falling for this hook, line and sinker...

The Romney Campaign has been completely flat-footed in handling this, too. That's not surprising, as they've proven to be quite inept over the last few months.


It's only working so well as a line of attack because it's soooo close to the truth. Painting Romney as an out of touch plutocrat is as easy as the Dems going "Just look at the guy!" The fact that his campaign is run by idiots is just icing on the cake really.

It's also why the tax attacks work. Until he releases them(yeah right) it's all too simple for Dems to say things like "No taxes in 10 years!!!" and make it an effective attack.
 
2012-08-07 03:13:53 PM  

TheSopwithTurtle: Felgraf: America is crumbling, and Obama's just sitting there, living high on the hog. Father... soul music while the REAL americans are out there, making money! He's such a
pratt. Chet, we haven't a hope in the world if he stays in office...

/can you see what I did thar?

That's...that's beautiful


Shoot, I missed that and I've read every single one of them....

You went to all that trouble....just for me?
 
2012-08-07 03:14:53 PM  
Best to worst case scenarios for the GOP:

1) Romney releases, there's nothing of substance in the tax returns => may prompt some questions why he didn't release earlier, but Reid and other Democrats will get hammered. Probabilty of this outcome: Low

2) Romney releases, finds damning info in there => The Democratic Party goes to town, Romney takes lumps serious enough that will effectively end his campaign before it starts. Probability: Medium to elevated.

3) Romney doesn't release. => Democrats never let him or the public forget about it. Probability: High.
 
2012-08-07 03:15:28 PM  

Headso: because of the lamestream liberal driveby media conspiracy, amirite?


I know 95% of fark disagrees with me but regardless for whatever reason Obama has been given and continues to be given a free pass by the media. Oh there might be a criticism or two but it is in the nature of two friends who get together and one tells the other "You know Fred. love you and all but maybe you could just slightly improve in this area". I watch the Daily Show and if you werent so blinded by ideology to see the difference in tone and respect that Jon Stewart takes on Obama vs what he did to George Bush you might be surprised. Of course fark things Bush deserved it etc etc etc. It is startling to see if you can see it in the light of true neutrality.
 
2012-08-07 03:18:39 PM  
 
2012-08-07 03:19:21 PM  

coeyagi: 6) The flip side is that Obama DID release his birth certificate before, and the long form crap was just tedious repetition. So, this isn't a direct analogy. And if #5 does actually play out, Romney looks a little bit like an asshole for teasing everyone and controlling this tax return nonsense for so long and then you can just beat him with "so, you admit you were stalling until you actually came up with a policy strategy?"


The difference between the "birf certifikat" thingy and the tax returns is, or will come, if Romney actually releases the things. When Obama released his birth certificate, the fringies promptly declared it a fake, and things continued as before. If Romney releases his tax returns and they show he actually paid the correct amount of taxes and didn't have anything stashed offshore, will people be satisfied and go on to the next idiotic statement? or will the fringies declare "FAKE! RELEASE REEL TACKS RETURNZ!!"
 
2012-08-07 03:20:48 PM  

mainstreet62: Best to worst case scenarios for the GOP:

1) Romney releases, there's nothing of substance in the tax returns => may prompt some questions why he didn't release earlier, but Reid and other Democrats will get hammered. Probabilty of this outcome: Low


Unless he's paying far more then the average middle class American there is NO way this will happen. Even then it puts him in horrible position on his tax plan, just reinforcing the talking point of "Romney's plan wants to give cuts to people like him."

Oh, and since the only time he's likely to release is in October when he files this years taxes it doesn't exactly stop the dialog any time soon.

Basically I'm saying is that there is no upside for Romney on his tax returns any more. If there was a window to release for benefit he missed it by a mile.
 
2012-08-07 03:22:40 PM  

walkingtall: I watch the Daily Show and if you werent so blinded by ideology to see the difference in tone and respect that Jon Stewart takes on Obama vs what he did to George Bush you might be surprised. Of course fark things Bush deserved it etc etc etc. It is startling to see if you can see it in the light of true neutrality.


I actually don't watch the daily show so I can't comment, not a fan of punditry that I can't respond to even if it is funny. Not really sure that the daily show = all of the media either. I've had to suffer through Bill O'reilly plugging his Abe Lincoln book on NPR if even they have to capitulate to the shrieks of "liberal media conspiracy" and give that human trashbag air time maybe there ain't one.
 
2012-08-07 03:24:01 PM  

MyRandomName:

The only people up in arms are the retarded left. They think the tactic is working.because.of their own raging hard ons. Polls show it isn't working.


Link?

No?

Fark you, you shiatbag.
 
2012-08-07 03:28:20 PM  

MyRandomName: Every day liberals sound more and more like the birthers they once derided.


Here, let me explain the difference to you in small words that you can understand.

I doubt there's anyone who thinks Mitt paid zero income taxes. But he pays a lot of people a lots of money to make sure he pays as little tax as possible. It's all perfectly legal. But it looks bad: he's gaming the system in ways that regular people cannot do, and paying a very low effective rate. No doubt there are certain deductions on his Schedule A that will only reinforce his image as a Monty Python-esque Upper-Class Twit, like expensing the costs of his dressage horse.

We're not saying he's done anything that invalidates his capacity to hold the office, we're saying that he's holding his returns close to the vest because revealing them will destroy the carefully crafted image he's been trying to promote.

Not only are the rich screwing everyone not of their class, but the guy asking for your vote is one of the guys busy screwing you!

That would be something even the "base" (and I mean that in every sense of the word) wouldn't be able to stomach:
 
2012-08-07 03:32:00 PM  
If only there were some governmental agency whose job it was to periodically audit an individual's tax returns...

Seriously, if there were any substance to Reid's accusations at all, Romney would be under investigation by the IRSright this very minute. In fact, I should think that Reid's accusation would fall under the heading of "slander" as it's obviously a federal crime that he's accusing Romney of.

Meanwhile, certain records pertaining to Obama's past, which may or may not point to fraud on his part, or indicate that the "Birthers" have actually been right all this time, have been mysteriously sealed without explanation.
 
2012-08-07 03:34:03 PM  

MyRandomName: Every day liberals sound more and more like the birthers they once derided.


So only now you believe the birthers are idiots?
 
2012-08-07 03:35:25 PM  

walkingtall: qorkfiend: Middle America doesn't think Mormons are Christians, so they don't care whether or not he's a good Mormon.

Mormons dont think Mormons are Christians. In Mormon Doctrine Jesus was simply god of this world. There are gods of many other worlds etc etc. Completely out of step with Christian teachings. Mormons kind of see themselves as completed Christans. Christians that have taken the next step of truth. That is the best 25 word or less synopsis of why Mormonism and Christianity are not the same thing.


So Mormons are like Muslims? That ought to help the derp brigade solidify their support for Romney.
 
2012-08-07 03:35:40 PM  

HAMMERTOE: If only there were some governmental agency whose job it was to periodically audit an individual's tax returns...

Seriously, if there were any substance to Reid's accusations at all, Romney would be under investigation by the IRSright this very minute. In fact, I should think that Reid's accusation would fall under the heading of "slander" as it's obviously a federal crime that he's accusing Romney of.

Meanwhile, certain records pertaining to Obama's past, which may or may not point to fraud on his part, or indicate that the "Birthers" have actually been right all this time, have been mysteriously sealed without explanation.


If only our tax code wasn't completely and utterly loaded with loopholes that someone of his wealth could abuse.
 
2012-08-07 03:36:37 PM  
Reid is exactly what is wrong with the senate.

He plays a big part in our Gov't process, his decisions affect everyone. But Nevadans do the voting.

No wonder a generation is disinfrachised with voting.

I truly think he is dirty Harry. You don't get much lower.
 
2012-08-07 03:37:09 PM  

hugram: MyRandomName: Every day liberals sound more and more like the birthers they once derided.

So only now you believe the birthers are idiots?


It take some people time to catch up.
 
2012-08-07 03:37:35 PM  
As for any accusations of "tax avoidance schemes", all Romney has to do is point out the great number of White House aides that owe a huge amount in back taxes, while his are paid up to date. Also, he can point to the Royalty and Tax Avoidance shell-game that goes on in Hollywood every day, setting up shell companies so that major films can be shown to "lose money".
 
2012-08-07 03:39:07 PM  

Retro42: If only our tax code wasn't completely and utterly loaded with loopholes that someone of his wealth could abuse.


Like I just said, Hollywood makes expert use of these same schemes as well, and I'm willing to bet they don't want all that much attention given to it.
 
2012-08-07 03:39:34 PM  

Retro42: It's only working so well as a line of attack because it's soooo close to the truth. Painting Romney as an out of touch plutocrat is as easy as the Dems going "Just look at the guy!" The fact that his campaign is run by idiots is just icing on the cake really.

It's also why the tax attacks work. Until he releases them(yeah right) it's all too simple for Dems to say things like "No taxes in 10 years!!!" and make it an effective attack.


Agreed. The Romney folks have been handing the Obama Administration campaign material on a silver platter for several months now.

The debates should be epic...
 
2012-08-07 03:40:35 PM  
harry reid should have ronmey arrested. maybe nancy pelosi will let him use her jail.
 
2012-08-07 03:40:59 PM  

impaler: MFL: After the momentum of 2008 and the GOP left for dead....Pelosi and Reid??? Really???You guys seriously wanted those two imbeciles as the face of your party? Why congressional democrats insist on putting their biggest idiots in positions of power is beyond me.

Name, with specific examples, what makes them idiots.


He'll just shiat in the thread then run, dude. Like an ill-tempered chihuahua with a case of the flux.
 
2012-08-07 03:43:42 PM  

HAMMERTOE: As for any accusations of "tax avoidance schemes", all Romney has to do is point out the great number of White House aides that owe a huge amount in back taxes, while his are paid up to date. Also, he can point to the Royalty and Tax Avoidance shell-game that goes on in Hollywood every day, setting up shell companies so that major films can be shown to "lose money".


Are any of these Hollywood big shots running for office on the platform that they are taxed too much?
 
2012-08-07 03:43:57 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Retro42: If only our tax code wasn't completely and utterly loaded with loopholes that someone of his wealth could abuse.

Like I just said, Hollywood makes expert use of these same schemes as well, and I'm willing to bet they don't want all that much attention given to it.


You missed the point though. Whether or not Romney actually paid income tax isn't an indicator of legality. Under our tax law he and many others like him could easily not pay anything at all. So no, Reid isn't accusing Romney of commiting a crime at all.

He's just saying Romney abused the system in a legal way to do exactly the thing your average taxpayer can't do.
 
2012-08-07 03:44:08 PM  

HAMMERTOE: If only there were some governmental agency whose job it was to periodically audit an individual's tax returns...

Seriously, if there were any substance to Reid's accusations at all, Romney would be under investigation by the IRSright this very minute. In fact, I should think that Reid's accusation would fall under the heading of "slander" as it's obviously a federal crime that he's accusing Romney of.

Meanwhile, certain records pertaining to Obama's past, which may or may not point to fraud on his part, or indicate that the "Birthers" have actually been right all this time, have been mysteriously sealed without explanation.


Who is accusing Romney of a federal crime? Harry Reid is not. Gaming the system to avoid paying taxes and then whining about how people like you pay too much in taxes all while refusing to show proof of your "over-taxedness" is not illegal, it's only hypocritical and extremely immoral.
 
2012-08-07 03:51:28 PM  
I've always thought that Obama somehow managed to obtain Romney's tax returns from the IRS. How hard would that be, he's the president, right? Then he put Harry Reid, who is in a super-safe position and not up for election this year, up to leaking information about them, in order to force Romney's hand and make this the issue for this news cycle. Except that it's holding on longer than the 24-hour news cycle, because people are genuinely curious about what those returns must contain, since Romney is going to such great lengths to hide them.

I keep visualizing Romney as the murderer in the "Tell-Tale Heart" - that heart is just beating below the floorboards and Romney is feeling the pressure, but he knows telling the truth will result in his execution. Conversely, not telling is just as bad.

Obama's got him neatly tied up for awhile. This will be the question that haunts him throughout the campaign.

Unless he actually releases those returns.
 
2012-08-07 03:53:10 PM  

HAMMERTOE: If only there were some governmental agency whose job it was to periodically audit an individual's tax returns...

Seriously, if there were any substance to Reid's accusations at all, Romney would be under investigation by the IRSright this very minute. In fact, I should think that Reid's accusation would fall under the heading of "slander" as it's obviously a federal crime that he's accusing Romney of.

Meanwhile, certain records pertaining to Obama's past, which may or may not point to fraud on his part, or indicate that the "Birthers" have actually been right all this time, have been mysteriously sealed without explanation.


What's more interesting, if you ask me, is that Romney hasn't accused him of slander. He's just asked for the source of Reid's "information". If Reid was outright wrong, why not go after him with that sort of accusation?
 
2012-08-07 03:55:31 PM  

PreMortem: Of these plenty of people (which I doubt, that's what staffers are for), who would have the authority and the ability to know about Romney's tax returns?


People from inside the Obama campaign. Higher-ups in the LDS. Political operatives from Nevada from both parties. A boyhood friend of Reid's who happens to work for the IRS (admittedly unlikely).

To think that John McCain was the only person in his campaign to see the returns is absurd.
 
2012-08-07 04:05:44 PM  

walkingtall: There is no greater danger to freedom then progressive thinking. The really sad part is that I truly believe that a lot of progressives truly believe they are the good guys. Just do what they want and believe as they do and humanity would be all the better. However, we tried that. Late 1800s and early 1900s were completely dominated by progressives the world over. tt was a disaster and must never ever be allowed to happen again.


There is no greater danger to freedom than conservative thinking. The really sad part is that I truly believe that a lot of conservatives truly believe they are the good guys. Just do what they want and believe as they do and humanity would be all the better. However, we tried that. Late 300s and early 700s were completely dominated by conservatives the world over. It was a disaster and must never ever be allowed to happen again.
 
2012-08-07 04:13:54 PM  

xanadian: ANY taxes? Bullshiat. INCOME taxes? Maybe, but probably not.

WTF is Reid smoking??


There is a difference between hyperbole and lying. If he says 'Mittens Romney paid no tax in those years' then everyone knows that he means federal taxes, because that is the subject under discussion. Of course he paid some (a vanishingly tiny proportion of his income mind you) local taxes of various kinds.
 
2012-08-07 04:15:54 PM  

qorkfiend: PreMortem: Of these plenty of people (which I doubt, that's what staffers are for), who would have the authority and the ability to know about Romney's tax returns?

People from inside the Obama campaign. Higher-ups in the LDS. Political operatives from Nevada from both parties. A boyhood friend of Reid's who happens to work for the IRS (admittedly unlikely).

To think that John McCain was the only person in his campaign to see the returns is absurd.


He's the only person we know of with motive, method, and opportunity (assuming he hates Romney as much as he seemed to four years ago). May not be true, but he's the obvious suspect.

As far as the amnesty question, this one time the amnesty was kept private. Nobody knows how much money the IRS got from the amnesty, but I'm betting it was a ton.
 
2012-08-07 04:24:09 PM  

Raithen: I also heard that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1992. Why hasn't he come out and refuted these claims? He's obviously guilty!


What would this proof-of-negative look like, anyway?
 
2012-08-07 04:25:45 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: qorkfiend: PreMortem: Of these plenty of people (which I doubt, that's what staffers are for), who would have the authority and the ability to know about Romney's tax returns?

People from inside the Obama campaign. Higher-ups in the LDS. Political operatives from Nevada from both parties. A boyhood friend of Reid's who happens to work for the IRS (admittedly unlikely).

To think that John McCain was the only person in his campaign to see the returns is absurd.

He's the only person we know of with motive, method, and opportunity (assuming he hates Romney as much as he seemed to four years ago). May not be true, but he's the obvious suspect.

As far as the amnesty question, this one time the amnesty was kept private. Nobody knows how much money the IRS got from the amnesty, but I'm betting it was a ton.


What motive is there? George W.'s treatment of McCain was far more egregious, and McCain publicly embraced him. McCain ran against Mitt Romney 4 years ago, and won that contest. If he's still loyal to the GOP, why is he trying to undermine their presidential candidate like this? If he's not still loyal to the GOP, why hasn't he left the party and joined Lieberman and Sanders as an Independent?
 
2012-08-07 04:28:00 PM  

qorkfiend: PreMortem: Of these plenty of people (which I doubt, that's what staffers are for), who would have the authority and the ability to know about Romney's tax returns?

People from inside the Obama campaign. Higher-ups in the LDS. Political operatives from Nevada from both parties. A boyhood friend of Reid's who happens to work for the IRS (admittedly unlikely).

To think that John McCain was the only person in his campaign to see the returns is absurd.

---

"and insists that it is a credible person and this person if we knew the name we would understand they would have the authority and the ability to know about Romney's tax returns"

I never said he was the only person, I'm just saying it fits, whereas yours do not. If anyone except someone authorized to have viewed Mitts taxes was the caller, it would be illegal. Reid then would not touch it, let alone go on the floor of the Senate and make the accusation. Could it have been a McCain staffer? Maybe, but I doubt anyone would remember the name of McCain's staffers. McCain? Everyone knows who he is.
 
2012-08-07 04:42:37 PM  

PreMortem: qorkfiend: PreMortem: Of these plenty of people (which I doubt, that's what staffers are for), who would have the authority and the ability to know about Romney's tax returns?

People from inside the Obama campaign. Higher-ups in the LDS. Political operatives from Nevada from both parties. A boyhood friend of Reid's who happens to work for the IRS (admittedly unlikely).

To think that John McCain was the only person in his campaign to see the returns is absurd.
---

"and insists that it is a credible person and this person if we knew the name we would understand they would have the authority and the ability to know about Romney's tax returns"

I never said he was the only person, I'm just saying it fits, whereas yours do not. If anyone except someone authorized to have viewed Mitts taxes was the caller, it would be illegal. Reid then would not touch it, let alone go on the floor of the Senate and make the accusation. Could it have been a McCain staffer? Maybe, but I doubt anyone would remember the name of McCain's staffers. McCain? Everyone knows who he is.


You don't think people would recognize the name of the McCain's campaign manager, his main spokesperson, his communications director, etc., or that if the name was released we'd find out quickly enough?

As for the law about tax returns, does that cover everyone, or only government actors? The IRS can't release returns without authorization, but what can someone who Mitt physically handed the returns to do? If it is illegal, why hasn't Romney insisted on an investigation and criminal charges if warranted?

The question is why McCain, if it is him, would do this. "He didn't like Mitt Romney 4 years ago" is insufficient and does not jibe with McCain's historic party loyalty at all. He stuck with the GOP after the 2000 South Carolina primary, but four years after beating someone he doesn't like in an election he goes "Yeah, fark these guys"? It doesn't make any sense.
 
2012-08-07 04:47:47 PM  

qorkfiend: As for the law about tax returns, does that cover everyone, or only government actors? The IRS can't release returns without authorization, but what can someone who Mitt physically handed the returns to do? If it is illegal, why hasn't Romney insisted on an investigation and criminal charges if warranted?


I'm not in the profession of lawyering but I would assume that it is illegal for somebody within the IRS to release his returns. I would also assume it's illegal for his accountants to release his returns. I would assume it would be perfectly legal for a person whom Rommey openly gave copies of his return to to release them to the public. Romney may have had McCain and his campaign staff sign confidentiality agreements but breaking one would not be a criminal act.
 
2012-08-07 04:48:36 PM  
I just caught a bit of Fox News on this. The current narrative (other than lying by Congress critters is reprehensible) is "Well, we haven't seen Reid's taxes, either. Why won't he release his?"

The GOP has completely devolved into "I'm rubber, you're glue".
 
2012-08-07 05:06:46 PM  

walkingtall: Late 1800s and early 1900s were completely dominated by progressives the world over. tt was a disaster and must never ever be allowed to happen again.


Shirley, I can't be the only one who's noticed how neatly this time frame encompasses the rise and success of the Women's Suffrage Movement?

You reveal yourself, sir.

Gyrfalcon: If Romney releases his tax returns and they show he actually paid the correct amount of taxes and didn't have anything stashed offshore, will people be satisfied and go on to the next idiotic statement? or will the fringies declare "FAKE! RELEASE REEL TACKS RETURNZ!!"


Oh if only there were, oh, I don't know, a large and powerful Federal Agency, which keeps records of all tax returns, which are filed under penalty of perjury, where (once your scenario plays out) the actual records could be compared against the now-public copies...

If only there were such a thing. There
Really
Should be.
 
2012-08-07 05:10:01 PM  

Deucednuisance: No doubt there are certain deductions on his Schedule A that will only reinforce his image as a Monty Python-esque Upper-Class Twit, like expensing the costs of his dressage horse.


Remember the "working mom" fiasco a few months back? When some Democrat blogger said Mrs. Romney never worked a day in her life (i.e. has never been employed for wages), and the right-wing shiatbrick machine started crying that that means Obama hates single moms?

I always figured something along these lines was in there:
Are there any tax breaks a nanny employer can take advantage of?

There are two popular tax savings strategies used by families employing a nanny. A family may choose only one of these strategies to use in any particular year. Additionally, the family must report and pay taxes on the nanny's wages to be eligible for either tax break.
 
2012-08-07 05:10:32 PM  

HAMMERTOE: In fact, I should think that Reid's accusation would fall under the heading of "slander" as it's obviously a federal crime that he's accusing Romney of.


Citation, please.

I don't think anyone's said a word about tax evasion.

We're talking about revealing the man as a hypocrite, not a criminal.

HAMMERTOE: Meanwhile, certain records pertaining to Obama's past, which may or may not point to fraud on his part, or indicate that the "Birthers" have actually been right all this time, have been mysteriously sealed without explanation.


Produce them forthwith, or forever shut your festering gob, ya tit.
 
2012-08-07 05:16:34 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Seriously, if there were any substance to Reid's accusations at all, Romney would be under investigation by the IRSright this very minute. In fact, I should think that Reid's accusation would fall under the heading of "slander" as it's obviously a federal crime that he's accusing Romney of.


Reid wasn't saying he didn't pay taxes, as in "didn't even bother filing." He was saying he tax sheltered the hell out of his income.
 
2012-08-07 05:17:04 PM  

Magorn: Could it be possible the Senator from NV knows a thing or two about bluffing? I love how vicious the invective has been from the right on this (Reince Priebus calling read "A dirty liar" on national tv for instance) as if they truly think that by going on about what a horrible person Harry reid is, they can distract from the fact that they haven't disproven his allegations, and that there is a VERY easy way to do so, that Romney, inexlicably, hasn't done

Speak the truth and shame the devil, Mitt


But the attacks on Reid could actually backfire on the GOP.
1) could actually create sympathy for Reid ... LOL
2) could be hurtful enough that people would want rmoney to prove that the GOP is correct in being so hurtful

If I call you a bigot, racist, troll, slut, whore, libural loud enough and long enough, people might actually want to be able to back it up with, you know, evidence.

Calling Reid a lying liar could reach the levels of libel/slander at some point. In order to defender themselves against those lawsuits, they would need evidence ... LOL
which is why rmoney wont call Reid a liar, but has his pawns do it instead.

I predict that prebus will issue a retraction and an apology for calling Reid a liar at some point.
 
2012-08-07 05:18:25 PM  
Deflector Screens on Full, on my mark......

MARK!

HAMMERTOE: As for any accusations of "tax avoidance schemes", all Romney has to do is point out the great number of White House aides that owe a huge amount in back taxes, while his are paid up to date. Also, he can point to the Royalty and Tax Avoidance shell-game that goes on in Hollywood every day, setting up shell companies so that major films can be shown to "lose money".

 
2012-08-07 05:18:27 PM  

namatad: I predict that prebus will issue a retraction and an apology for calling Reid a liar at some point.


Never gonna happen.
 
2012-08-07 05:26:12 PM  
Wow, Romney literally said, "it's time for Harry to put up or shut up."

Uh, you're the only one legally authorized to "put up" what is needed to shut him up.
 
2012-08-07 05:43:37 PM  

Deucednuisance: We're talking about revealing the man as a hypocrite, not a criminal.


He's been revealed that hundreds of times over, why would this tax thing make it any different for the purposes of the election? Will it swing that many independent voters over to Obama?
 
2012-08-07 05:52:44 PM  

zarberg: Deucednuisance: We're talking about revealing the man as a hypocrite, not a criminal.

He's been revealed that hundreds of times over, why would this tax thing make it any different for the purposes of the election? Will it swing that many independent voters over to Obama?


For those who think this whole thing is one big "he-said, robot-said", yes... having it in print will make a big difference.
 
2012-08-07 06:25:39 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Meanwhile, certain records pertaining to Obama's past, which may or may not point to fraud on his part, or indicate that the "Birthers" have actually been right all this time, have been mysteriously sealed without explanation.


Congratulations, none of your claims can now be taken seriously, as you are demonstrably LYING.

Obama has produced his OOLB, as well as the 'long form'. The birthers' claims are dead, buried, rotted, and eaten by worms.
 
2012-08-07 07:05:58 PM  

namatad: Magorn: Could it be possible the Senator from NV knows a thing or two about bluffing? I love how vicious the invective has been from the right on this (Reince Priebus calling read "A dirty liar" on national tv for instance) as if they truly think that by going on about what a horrible person Harry reid is, they can distract from the fact that they haven't disproven his allegations, and that there is a VERY easy way to do so, that Romney, inexlicably, hasn't done

Speak the truth and shame the devil, Mitt

But the attacks on Reid could actually backfire on the GOP.
1) could actually create sympathy for Reid ... LOL
2) could be hurtful enough that people would want rmoney to prove that the GOP is correct in being so hurtful

If I call you a bigot, racist, troll, slut, whore, libural loud enough and long enough, people might actually want to be able to back it up with, you know, evidence.

Calling Reid a lying liar could reach the levels of libel/slander at some point. In order to defender themselves against those lawsuits, they would need evidence ... LOL
which is why rmoney wont call Reid a liar, but has his pawns do it instead.

I predict that prebus will issue a retraction and an apology for calling Reid a liar at some point.


Mostly true, but nothing short of dismemberment while speaking before a group of traumatized war orphans would arouse any sympathy for Reid.
 
2012-08-07 08:18:28 PM  

Lost Thought 00: xanadian: ANY taxes? Bullshiat. INCOME taxes? Maybe, but probably not.

WTF is Reid smoking??

Doesn't matter. It's now part of the national consciousness. Reid and the democrats won, and no amount of debunking will ever reverse that.


Yeah,

I'm no great fan of Romney, but this was pretty typical of Reid: a complete lack of class. He really should have more regard for the dignity of his office.

Too bad the Republitards put up a complete whacko so he got re-elected. It's amazing to me that someone like him can get elected to the Senate.
 
2012-08-07 09:28:57 PM  

GameSprocket: The Homer Tax: I agree that Reid is likely full of shiat, Romney probably paid taxes...he's just probably paid an absurdly low rate on them - which is why he's hiding it from everyone. But the WP "Fact Checker" didn't factually check shiat.

I would consider Reid correct if Romney paid no income or capital gains tax for those years. He obviously paid sales and property taxes. Reid said "no taxes" so I would consider even a small percentage to be a fabrication.

Of course, we will never know since we are not going to see the records.


Too bad because the current narrative by the REpublicans is that more than half of Americans pay no taxes, sales and property be damned.
 
2012-08-08 12:31:55 AM  
Did Mitch McTurtle write that?
 
2012-08-08 02:48:45 AM  
Mitt Romney needs to stop being such a big pussy and release his income tax returns. Man up Mitt!
 
2012-08-08 07:25:47 AM  
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Senator Reid, please provide us with information proving this isn't true....
 
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