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(Sun Sentinel)   IRS thinks there might be something suspicious about a home that filed 741 separate tax returns, but they're going to investigate just to make sure   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 35
    More: Florida, Florida IRS, tax returns, Charles Boustany, Sen. Bill Nelson, Lake Okeechobee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz  
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2012-08-07 10:03:01 AM
Until I saw the Florida tag I thought it might be Massachusetts.
 
2012-08-07 10:06:16 AM
Leave Mitt Romney alone!
 
2012-08-07 10:08:33 AM
Wouldn't the IRS get suspicious if even just 1 tax return was filed by a home?

Name? 321 Any St., Somewhere, OK 55483
Occupation? House
 
2012-08-07 10:56:44 AM
"We need to know why the IRS is not catching this fraud," Rep. Boustany said.

Gee, could it be the budget cuts you imposed on the IRS?

To handle its responsibilities, the IRS is funded by a 2012 fiscal year budget totaling $11.8 billion. That's a nearly 2.1% cut from 2011, and marks the second consecutive budget reduction.
 
2012-08-07 11:08:49 AM

Dinki: "We need to know why the IRS is not catching this fraud," Rep. Boustany said.

Gee, could it be the budget cuts you imposed on the IRS?

To handle its responsibilities, the IRS is funded by a 2012 fiscal year budget totaling $11.8 billion. That's a nearly 2.1% cut from 2011, and marks the second consecutive budget reduction.


But the shorfalls due to fraud can be made up by increasing taxes on the poor and middle class. It's very efficient!
 
2012-08-07 11:45:20 AM
So if I went ahead and filed, say, 200 tax returns, I might actually get a way with it?
 
2012-08-07 11:50:32 AM
You have computers and relational databases... How can not have an automated tool that spots this and flags the returns?
 
2012-08-07 11:52:23 AM

URAPNIS: So if I went ahead and filed, say, 200 tax returns, I might actually get a way with it?


Whereas I slightly miscalculated the cost basis for a small ESPP trade and I got hammered by the IRS with a penalty.
 
2012-08-07 11:54:25 AM

ha-ha-guy: You have computers and relational databases... How can not have an automated tool that spots this and flags the returns?


I suspect the system is fine but the process is flawed.

Betting they issue refunds first, ask questions later so to speak. Alot of companies and government agencies do that. It's stupid and costly.

/former enterprise business apps designer
 
2012-08-07 11:54:32 AM
By all means, lets get the IRS more involved in running the US Healthcare system.
 
2012-08-07 11:57:10 AM
I think I know where the 2013 Crowded House reunion tour can kick off.
 
2012-08-07 11:58:18 AM
Amateurs. Come back when they can be skilled like Ugland House in the Caymen Islands which is the registered headquarters of 18857 corporations.
 
2012-08-07 12:02:49 PM

ha-ha-guy: You have computers and relational databases... How can not have an automated tool that spots this and flags the returns?


As a former IRS desk jockey, I find this question hysterical.
 
2012-08-07 12:05:37 PM
Florida. Must be Debbie Weaselman Schultz.
 
2012-08-07 12:05:40 PM
as a victim of this type of ID theft I am NOT getting a kick out of this article.

Read an article on CNN last week were they figure 5 billion was shelled out, yes billion, in fraudulent returns.

and now I have to wait 90 days or more so someone can verify my return is legit to pay me my measly 3k.
 
2012-08-07 12:07:54 PM
I checked out the address, calm down people, its legit...

www.insidesocal.com
 
2012-08-07 12:08:53 PM
I don't get the headline. If something is suspicious, it should be investigated. Why would subby conclude that the IRS isn't sure it's suspicious?

Is there a joke in there somewhere?
 
2012-08-07 12:09:37 PM
When the IRS started requiring filers to put the SSNs of their dependents on tax returns, 7 million children disappeared.
 
2012-08-07 12:13:24 PM

ha-ha-guy: You have computers and relational databases... How can not have an automated tool that spots this and flags the returns?


Relational Databases? This is the IRS. Do you know how hard it is to write a relational database in COBOL?
 
2012-08-07 12:14:13 PM

radar_OIIIO: as a victim of this type of ID theft I am NOT getting a kick out of this article.

Read an article on CNN last week were they figure 5 billion was shelled out, yes billion, in fraudulent returns.

and now I have to wait 90 days or more so someone can verify my return is legit to pay me my measly 3k.


Wow, five billion. That's almost 1% of the money being sent in.

I like the process just the way it is. Send out the W2s in January. Receive the tax forms in April. People get their refund checks in May. Spend the other seven months finding fraud.

I don't want to have to wait six months for my refund check while I wait for them to eyeball my tax form.
 
2012-08-07 12:21:04 PM
My mother was one that had a fake return filed for her. I was the one that reported it to the IRS. Months later they sent a letter saying she wasn't going to get her $4,000 refund on the taxes taken out on her $80,000 income (or whatever the numbers were). She was 95 at the time and in a nursing home.

I'll bet dollars to donuts the Florida Medicaid has someone selling identities. It would be nice to find that someone and have a little chat with 'em out back of the barn.
 
2012-08-07 12:22:35 PM

you have pee hands: When the IRS started requiring filers to put the SSNs of their dependents on tax returns, 7 million children disappeared.


Murderers!
 
2012-08-07 12:25:18 PM
As someone who had their identity stolen and used to file a return with the IRS, I say we find these people and shove lava up their asses.

It took more than a year to prove to the IRS that I was who I said I was, and that was even WITH having all of the paperwork to prove it.
 
2012-08-07 12:32:05 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: radar_OIIIO: as a victim of this type of ID theft I am NOT getting a kick out of this article.

Read an article on CNN last week were they figure 5 billion was shelled out, yes billion, in fraudulent returns.

and now I have to wait 90 days or more so someone can verify my return is legit to pay me my measly 3k.

Wow, five billion. That's almost 1% of the money being sent in.

I like the process just the way it is. Send out the W2s in January. Receive the tax forms in April. People get their refund checks in May. Spend the other seven months finding fraud.

I don't want to have to wait six months for my refund check while I wait for them to eyeball my tax form.


While I agree no one wants to wait around for there money stories like these scream the fact something needs to be changed:

In one example, investigators found a single address in Lansing, Mich., that was used to file 2,137 separate tax returns. The IRS issued more than $3.3 million in refunds to that address. Three addresses in Florida, the epicenter of the identity theft crisis, filed more than 500 returns totaling more than $1 million in refunds for each address.
In another troubling scenario, hundreds of refunds were deposited into the same bank account - a red flag for investigators searching for ID thieves who may be filing for refunds for multiple people. In one instance, the IRS deposited 590 refunds totaling more than $900,000 into one account.


full article http://news.yahoo.com/irs-missing-billions-id-theft-164707999.html?_es i=1
 
2012-08-07 12:37:48 PM

you have pee hands: When the IRS started requiring filers to put the SSNs of their dependents on tax returns, 7 million children disappeared.


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Wanted for questioning
 
2012-08-07 12:50:30 PM
deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-07 12:54:09 PM
Step 1: Open a few foreign shell corporations.
Step 2: Use one of those foreign shell's to open a Delaware corporation and bank account.
Step 3: Use the Delaware corporation to lease a property where you have a large number of tax returns go.
Step 4: Stitch the money back and forth between your shell corporations to make it improbable to trace the money to you at the end.
Step 5: Pay yourself a royalty or capital gains from a foreign shell investment so you can have freshly laundered income you can pay lower taxes on. Or better yet, use that shell to pay your expenses while keeping your actual income fairly low.

radar_OIIIO: In one example, investigators found a single address in Lansing, Mich., that was used to file 2,137 separate tax returns.


Was it a prison?
 
2012-08-07 12:55:35 PM
www.celebritiesheight.com

Poor-people problems
 
2012-08-07 12:56:05 PM

Snarfangel: you have pee hands: When the IRS started requiring filers to put the SSNs of their dependents on tax returns, 7 million children disappeared.

Murderers!


I do that twice a week with the help of my accomplice, Kleenex tissue...
 
2012-08-07 01:01:53 PM
You sure that's fraud? It's Florida. I've seen almost that many Cubans living in one place. Or could be Appalachian cousins.
 
2012-08-07 01:14:48 PM

ha-ha-guy: You have computers and relational databases... How can not have an automated tool that spots this and flags the returns?


Here's the thing. The IRS hasn't really upgraded its systems since they first computerized it all those decades ago. Sure, they have upgraded hardware, but it's still pretty much the crap they wrote in the 1960s.

haemaker: ha-ha-guy: You have computers and relational databases... How can not have an automated tool that spots this and flags the returns?

Relational Databases? This is the IRS. Do you know how hard it is to write a relational database in COBOL?


Yeah, they are literally one step above punched cards. Scary stuff..
 
2012-08-07 01:49:24 PM

wildcardjack: Step 1: Open a few foreign shell corporations.
Step 2: Use one of those foreign shell's to open a Delaware corporation and bank account.
Step 3: Use the Delaware corporation to lease a property where you have a large number of tax returns go.
Step 4: Stitch the money back and forth between your shell corporations to make it improbable to trace the money to you at the end.
Step 5: Pay yourself a royalty or capital gains from a foreign shell investment so you can have freshly laundered income you can pay lower taxes on. Or better yet, use that shell to pay your expenses while keeping your actual income fairly low.

radar_OIIIO: In one example, investigators found a single address in Lansing, Mich., that was used to file 2,137 separate tax returns.

Was it a prison?


Per the New York Times re: Wilmington:
" NOTHING about 1209 North Orange Street hints at the secrets inside. It's a humdrum office building, a low-slung affair with a faded awning and a view of a parking garage. Hardly worth a second glance. If a first one.
But behind its doors is one of the most remarkable corporate collections in the world: 1209 North Orange, you see, is the legal address of no fewer than 285,000 separate businesses. "
 
2012-08-07 02:12:27 PM
Did the IRS also send 714 refunds to that address?
And why doesn't Congressional budget cuts reduce Congressional salaries?
 
2012-08-07 02:34:13 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: radar_OIIIO: as a victim of this type of ID theft I am NOT getting a kick out of this article.

Read an article on CNN last week were they figure 5 billion was shelled out, yes billion, in fraudulent returns.

and now I have to wait 90 days or more so someone can verify my return is legit to pay me my measly 3k.

Wow, five billion. That's almost 1% of the money being sent in.

I like the process just the way it is. Send out the W2s in January. Receive the tax forms in April. People get their refund checks in May. Spend the other seven months finding fraud.

I don't want to have to wait six months for my refund check while I wait for them to eyeball my tax form.


There's an easy solution to that last part: don't get a refund. Pay less during the year. It's a bit silly to let the IRS hand onto your money for months and months each year anyways.
 
2012-08-09 11:22:24 AM
Douglas, it's time to go.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Shulman)
 
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