dittybopper:
r how we had to go through a number of gyrations after the adoption to get a foundling birth certificate for him because the Social Security Administration wouldn't take the adoption papers as proof that he was a citizen



Feels distaffbopper's pain....

/Couldn't help it.

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: For this very reason subby. Mom and Dad each have a matching bracelet. They would do a prisoner exchange operation when they brought the babies in.

They had security standing there when they finally cut the anklets off of them and we were free to leave. For some reason if a baby was too close to the window (where the only couch in the room was) the signal would get screwed up and the alarm would go off. Well that only happened about a dozen times while we were there.

They'd yell at me, I'd tell them to move the couch....wash rinse repeat every couple of hours.

It got real interesting when I came in after a shift, alarm was triggered and the new nurse came in to see an armed man (who she hadn't met yet) holding a baby. Cue yakkity sax

In the same vein I have a CSB, though it is only tangentially related to the subject, it does involve
babies and the range of medical monitors.

Back in the late 1980s (when remote medical monitors were becoming commonplace), my mother
was hospitalized for a week due to complications of a hiatal hernia, and they put a monitor pack on
her. This was at the Princeton hospital (yes, the one where HOUSE was set), and she was on the
same floor as the maternity ward.

I was up to visit her, and she said "Oh, Django, come with me and we'll see if they have the babies
out!". Having had 4 of her own, she loves babies and children, and I was happy to do it.

We walked from her room into the elevator lobby in the middle of the floor to go to the door with the
window where sometimes they left babies in their basinets.

So, we get there and she's peering into the window (no babies to be seen, alas), and after a moment
a nurse comes barrelling through the doors with a panicked look on her face, until she sees my
mother and me, and smiles sheepishly

"Oh, hello Mrs. Stonereaver.", as non-chalantly as she could then she walked back to the nurse's
station.

I looked at my mother and asked, "OK, what was that about?"

My mother, saintly and sweet as the day is long, said, "Well, the heart monitor doesn't quite reach
out to here," in a manner that told me she did this regularly.

It was then that I realized where I got my sense of humour.

SHICA4U: Did nobody else read the headline as "baby lie detector" ?

..just me?

All babies lie. At least, until they can roll over.

Absolutely they do, because people try to steal babies. The littlebopper was kept in the NICU after he was dropped off at the hospital anonymously hours after his birth not because it was medically necessary, but because public access was controlled to a much greater degree than in the normal maternity ward. An unattached, unclaimed baby would have been "easy pickin's", had it been known about. That was in addition to the standard alarm at the door if you tried to leave with a newborn that hadn't been discharged, because a person familiar with the procedures could have just cut off the ID ankle-bracelet.

BTW, on this topic, my public service announcement: Ladies, if you are pregnant and scared and for whatever reason you don't think abortion is for you, but you know you can't take care of the child, consider leaving the child anonymously under your state's "Safe Haven" or "Baby Moses" law. All 50 states have some form of it, where you can leave a child anonymously without being prosecuted for child abandonment, or worse. Not only will you be saving a life and protecting your future, you just might make a childless couple very happy.

Aamelrons: Okay serious question, why all the baby theft?

Is it because there are parents out that want to adopt babies so they can love them?

Is it to harvest their organs?

Is it to raise a sex slave that knows no other life?

I'm actually being serious here. I'd really like to know the driving demand for fresh babies

Didn't you see my pictures up-thread? It's to raise an army that I can then use to take over the entire World!

dragonchild: Aamelrons: Okay serious question, why all the baby theft? Is it because there are parents out that want to adopt babies so they can love them?

Estrogen is a hell of a drug. I've heard too many stories of women who are obsessed -- obsessed -- with babies. Not children, mind you. Not raising a family. Not the joy of nurturing another human being. Babies. An insatiable appetite to be relied on by the utterly helpless, to be near a creature completely emotionally dependent on them. Babies don't lie or betray; they just want. The fertile have like 5, 8, 10 of them or more. They don't actually bother to care what happens to them when they become old enough to think; even the toddlers are neglected for the next infant. I think baby theft is what happens when they can't make their own.

It's funny just how powerful it is. The distaffbopper would *KILL* me for talking about this, but the reason why we went the foster care/adoption route is that she went into very premature menopause. Like, mid-20's menopause. After not having had a period for almost 10 years, less than a week after we brought the littlebopper home, she had a (light) period. Even her gynecologist was scratching her head with that one, even gave her a pap smear after just to make sure it wasn't cancer.

She hasn't had one in the 8 years since then.

*THAT* is how powerful estrogen is.

pciszek: TNel: All it would take though is to block the sensor by putting the baby in a container that can block that signal.

Wouldn't that also block other things, like air?

Envision this but built as a tote bag. with canvas on the outside but for the top area.

Intrepid00: TNel: I find it odd that people still don't know there are rfid sensors on the baby's tag. All it would take though is to block the sensor by putting the baby in a container that can block that signal.

Or you know, cut the bracelet off.

Would not be as effective as you might think. Let's just say there are back up systems in non-obvious places. In 1986 I was a summer intern at NSA's building near BWI, back when the facility was so secret that the Us Government didn;t even officially admit it existed
My Sis now works at a NICU in Suburban No. Va.

The security and access control systems in both places are roughly comparable

Why are we getting all "The More You Know" in here, and not talking about the fact that the person in the article who explained all this to the reporter was named Nightengale?

In a hospital.

Am I the only one who finds that interesting?

I find it odd that people still don't know there are rfid sensors on the baby's tag. All it would take though is to block the sensor by putting the baby in a container that can block that signal.

dittybopper: Absolutely they do, because people try to steal babies. The littlebopper was kept in the NICU after he was dropped off at the hospital anonymously hours after his birth not because it was medically necessary, but because public access was controlled to a much greater degree than in the normal maternity ward. An unattached, unclaimed baby would have been "easy pickin's", had it been known about. That was in addition to the standard alarm at the door if you tried to leave with a newborn that hadn't been discharged, because a person familiar with the procedures could have just cut off the ID ankle-bracelet.

BTW, on this topic, my public service announcement: Ladies, if you are pregnant and scared and for whatever reason you don't think abortion is for you, but you know you can't take care of the child, consider leaving the child anonymously under your state's "Safe Haven" or "Baby Moses" law. All 50 states have some form of it, where you can leave a child anonymously without being prosecuted for child abandonment, or worse. Not only will you be saving a life and protecting your future, you just might make a childless couple very happy.



I mean that from the bottom of my heart.