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2012-08-07 10:17:30 AM
Because everyone uses their real name on the twitter.
 
2012-08-07 10:18:38 AM
Some people just want to watch the world burn. This guy on the other hand sounds like an internet tough guy that I actually kind of hope does get turned in.
 
2012-08-07 10:26:49 AM

KingVJ: Because everyone uses their real name on the twitter.


That's what I was thinking. Though, revealing the I.P. Address would probably lead directly to a cell phone. Though you may have another request to get the cell phone info from the provider.
 
2012-08-07 10:33:44 AM
If their policy is to never hand over info without a subpoena, good. If you don't have a subpoena you don't need it.
 
2012-08-07 10:35:53 AM
OR....

/Foil hat


Maybe its a ploy by the govt to get some traction in the debate of internet anonymity. Fake threat, force provider to release IP, hit dead end, point to case in future legislation/legal proceedings as precedent.

There is a movie somewhere in this... a really really bad action movie.

"Who wrote the tweet man?? WHO WROTE THE TWEET!!!!!!"
 
2012-08-07 10:37:53 AM
It was just a farking joke. Not unlike things that were said here on Fark or something you say among your friends. Problem is that Twitter is/can be a public soapbox so I guess everything you say becomes "super cereal". But 90% of the content of Twitter is people trying to make jokes (or copying jokes someone else made). This is just the usual bullshiat overreacting from the cops/media. Although it shouldn't surprise me considering it's a website that still has this:

i.imgur.com

I mean WHAT THE fark? It was three weeks ago and it was an isolated incident. No need to have a full blown section dedicated to it as if it was some kind of ongoing spectacle.
 
2012-08-07 10:39:41 AM

liverpoolumd:

Maybe its a ploy by the govt to get some traction in the debate of internet anonymity. Fake threat, force provider to release IP, hit dead end, point to case in future legislation/legal proceedings as precedent.


A bit nutjob conspiracy-ish, but still plausible and machiavellian. Yeah, this could be the case.
 
2012-08-07 10:49:22 AM

Nem Wan: If their policy is to never hand over info without a subpoena, good. If you don't have a subpoena you don't need it.


www.deathvalleymag.com
Well, that's fine if you've got weeks, but what if he's tweeting right now and there's JUST NO TIME?!
 
2012-08-07 10:50:54 AM
www.cartoonstock.com

The ole thought crime slippery slope.

/where's tom cruise?
 
2012-08-07 10:54:48 AM
They'll give it up just as soon as they get a national security letter.
 
2012-08-07 10:56:06 AM
WHERE IS THE TWEETER!?!
WHERE IS THE TWEETER!?!
TELL ME WHERE THE TWEETER IS, THEN YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO DIE.

/obligatory?
 
2012-08-07 10:57:08 AM

Nem Wan: If their policy is to never hand over info without a subpoena, good. If you don't have a subpoena you don't need it.


Exactly this. Non-story. It isn't very good for Twitter's business model if they roll over every time a cop says hello.
 
2012-08-07 11:02:45 AM
Coming soon to a theater near you.

www.wired.com
 
2012-08-07 11:17:11 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Coming soon to a theater near you.

[www.wired.com image 400x403]


My first thought was "Is that a guillotine?" Then I realized what it was
 
2012-08-07 11:29:23 AM

the_sidewinder: StoPPeRmobile: Coming soon to a theater near you.

[www.wired.com image 400x403]

My first thought was "Is that a guillotine?" Then I realized what it was


I'd prefer they had a guillotine. And put cellphones through it before every showing. "If it is seen, if is heard, this will be your phone's fate."
 
2012-08-07 11:29:26 AM
i184.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-07 11:32:30 AM
Twitter should give up the guy's info.

Yeah, he's probably just joking, but fark it, a lot of crazy motherfarkers tell people their plans before going on killing sprees, why take chances? The first amendment doesn't protect the making of very specific violent threats.

Plus, he's on farking twitter. All the twitterers should be arrested and waterboarded.
 
2012-08-07 11:36:51 AM

stewbert: Nem Wan: If their policy is to never hand over info without a subpoena, good. If you don't have a subpoena you don't need it.

Exactly this. Non-story. It isn't very good for Twitter's business model if they roll over every time a cop says hello.


Saying you're going to kill people is no way to go through life. If you do, you need some special attention from authority figures.
 
2012-08-07 11:43:06 AM

abhorrent1: [i184.photobucket.com image 541x256]


Wait, that's the suspect?

Oh wow. Well, they follow current events, but it'd be faster to find someone they aren't threatening to kill.
 
2012-08-07 12:04:11 PM
So he's going to go after all the criminals because his parents are dead?
 
2012-08-07 12:26:54 PM

Romanes Eunt Domus: WHERE IS THE TWEETER!?!
WHERE IS THE TWEETER!?!
TELL ME WHERE THE TWEETER IS, THEN YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION TO DIE.

/obligatory?


And that is what I will remember Nolan's and Bale's Batman as: a roaring train whistle of rage.
 
2012-08-07 12:33:21 PM
They're just as sick of spoilers as everyone else.
 
2012-08-07 12:39:22 PM
While I am 100% sure this guy is just some troll, how difficult could it be to get a warrant demanding to see his identity? It is probably some 12 year old who thinks it is funny/cool to write threats on the internet, and would probably benefit from a visit from the NYPD or FBI to realize what he is doing is in fact very serious.

/parents need to take away his computer and internet privileges for a month or two.
 
2012-08-07 12:45:31 PM
so. I have a couple of observations.
1) OF course government organizations MUST be required to issue a subpoena in order to get records. That is the way it should always be. period.
2) twitter should be proactively finding these threats and forwarding them to the authorities BEFORE they get a subpeona.

sorry, but your policies should include zero tolerance to these kind of threats and should immediately forward them to the FBI and local authorities. Unless you think it is ok to make threats?
 
2012-08-07 12:48:57 PM

abhorrent1: [i184.photobucket.com image 541x256]


so you are saying that your death threat is serious? ok we believe you. when the police come to arrest you, please dont claim that you were just kidding.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha
 
2012-08-07 12:56:31 PM

namatad: so. I have a couple of observations.
1) OF course government organizations MUST be required to issue a subpoena in order to get records. That is the way it should always be. period.
2) twitter should be proactively finding these threats and forwarding them to the authorities BEFORE they get a subpeona.

sorry, but your policies should include zero tolerance to these kind of threats and should immediately forward them to the FBI and local authorities. Unless you think it is ok to make threats?


Your tone is threatening. What should I do?
 
2012-08-07 01:03:48 PM

StoPPeRmobile: namatad: so. I have a couple of observations.
1) OF course government organizations MUST be required to issue a subpoena in order to get records. That is the way it should always be. period.
2) twitter should be proactively finding these threats and forwarding them to the authorities BEFORE they get a subpeona.

sorry, but your policies should include zero tolerance to these kind of threats and should immediately forward them to the FBI and local authorities. Unless you think it is ok to make threats?

Your tone is threatening. What should I do?


Got into this discussion with a lawyer friend yesterday.
What's the difference between stalking and pursuing someone? Tone.

pursuing:
1) Follow (someone or something) to catch or attack them.
2) Seek to form a sexual relationship with (someone) in a persistent way.
 
2012-08-07 01:19:23 PM

namatad: so. I have a couple of observations.
1) OF course government organizations MUST be required to issue a subpoena in order to get records. That is the way it should always be. period.
2) twitter should be proactively finding these threats and forwarding them to the authorities BEFORE they get a subpeona.

sorry, but your policies should include zero tolerance to these kind of threats and should immediately forward them to the FBI and local authorities. Unless you think it is ok to make threats?


Yes, because zero tolerance works so well everywhere it's done.
 
2012-08-07 01:27:18 PM
A superstitious cowardly lot
The plot and scheme but they always get caught
Their evil plan will come to naught!
 
2012-08-07 01:42:11 PM

Carousel Beast: namatad: so. I have a couple of observations.
1) OF course government organizations MUST be required to issue a subpoena in order to get records. That is the way it should always be. period.
2) twitter should be proactively finding these threats and forwarding them to the authorities BEFORE they get a subpeona.

sorry, but your policies should include zero tolerance to these kind of threats and should immediately forward them to the FBI and local authorities. Unless you think it is ok to make threats?

Yes, because zero tolerance works so well everywhere it's done.


yes no sort of
Zero Tolerance in the war on drugs since 1980 (ish) has done nothing but put people in prison. It has not: reduced the number of drug users, reduced the number of drug dealers, helped drug addicts and their medical condition.
So zero tolerance here has been a complete waste of time. Suspending or Expelling the student with aspirin is farking insane.

but
Zero tolerance bullying has had major impacts in schools which have done this. I have real world experience with this. My niece was sexually harassed. The boy (and his father) were told that this was the only warning. And if the boy bullied her over this harassment, he would be expelled. TADA. problem was solved.

Ignoring threats has led to people making threats with impunity, which has led to more threats being ignored. Take a quick look at the insanity in the gaming community recently over harassment. Is every cretin who threatens to rape or kill someone going to follow through? of course not. But a zero tolerance policy to this kind of crap has immediate and far reaching effects. Or we can continue to just ignore the problem.

LOL

/It would be interesting to see the numbers on how often Drew or Blizzard or Xbox/live have to deal with this kind of insanity.
 
2012-08-07 01:42:20 PM
The way the NYPD works, would not be the least bit surprised that the person making those tweets was on one of Ray Kelly's special task forces and the whole thing was another little power grab by his department meant to set precedent or even just to test Twitter's willingness to cooperate.
 
2012-08-07 02:07:00 PM

namatad: so. I have a couple of observations.
1) OF course government organizations MUST be required to issue a subpoena in order to get records. That is the way it should always be. period.
2) twitter should be proactively finding these threats and forwarding them to the authorities BEFORE they get a subpeona.

sorry, but your policies should include zero tolerance to these kind of threats and should immediately forward them to the FBI and local authorities. Unless you think it is ok to make threats?


Do you want the FBI/Police to pursue actors in movies and theater plays that make threats? Rappers that make threats on songs? (Oh wait, they used to pursue rappers that made threats on songs). Comedians that say foul stuff on stage? You for the jokes you do with your friends?

Because many many people use Twitter as a performance tool. At least between 30-50% of the accounts are like that. Unless someone is using his real name (either as his username or as part of his bio, ditto for a picture), EVERYTHING you read should be taken with a grain of salt. And even if it's a real identifiable person behind it, it's still posturing and shiat for giggles.

Or do you REALLY believe that a high percentage of the population is planning attacks or stuff like that?
 
2012-08-07 02:51:21 PM
So... the survivors of a mass shooting in New York are about to become the owners of Twitter?
 
2012-08-07 03:28:10 PM

namatad: Zero tolerance bullying has had major impacts in schools which have done this. I have real world experience with this. My niece was sexually harassed. The boy (and his father) were told that this was the only warning. And if the boy bullied her over this harassment, he would be expelled. TADA. problem was solved.


That isn't zero tolerance, zero tolerance would have been expelling the kid on the first offense. Your example is actually a reason why zero tolerance is stupid.
 
2012-08-07 04:09:45 PM

itsdan: namatad: Zero tolerance bullying has had major impacts in schools which have done this. I have real world experience with this. My niece was sexually harassed. The boy (and his father) were told that this was the only warning. And if the boy bullied her over this harassment, he would be expelled. TADA. problem was solved.

That isn't zero tolerance, zero tolerance would have been expelling the kid on the first offense. Your example is actually a reason why zero tolerance is stupid.


Exactly this. It's more of an objective no-tolerance, where the issue is addressed as needed on a case-by-case basis depending on the individuals and history. Unfourtunately - even though it's usually the best policy for all parties long term - it's, like, work, man.

,,,,comma slashies
 
2012-08-07 04:51:23 PM

itsdan: namatad: Zero tolerance bullying has had major impacts in schools which have done this. I have real world experience with this. My niece was sexually harassed. The boy (and his father) were told that this was the only warning. And if the boy bullied her over this harassment, he would be expelled. TADA. problem was solved.

That isn't zero tolerance, zero tolerance would have been expelling the kid on the first offense. Your example is actually a reason why zero tolerance is stupid.


blah
the zero tolerance was for the retribution ...

and FINE
let's call it NO tolerance ....
which of course requires systems to be flexible ...
first offense is suspension with warning that the next offense is expulsion ...

on the other hand, some first offenses warrant expulsion

alas, stupid lawsuits have driven schools and others to absurd zero tolerance
sigh
 
2012-08-07 04:52:06 PM

rocky_howard: Do you want the FBI/Police to pursue actors in movies and theater plays that make threats? Rappers that make threats on songs? (Oh wait, they used to pursue rappers that made threats on songs). Comedians that say foul stuff on stage? You for the jokes you do with your friends?


YES! that is exactly what I meant. You should go ahead and report yourself to the FBI for using those words.
 
2012-08-07 05:12:24 PM

namatad: rocky_howard: Do you want the FBI/Police to pursue actors in movies and theater plays that make threats? Rappers that make threats on songs? (Oh wait, they used to pursue rappers that made threats on songs). Comedians that say foul stuff on stage? You for the jokes you do with your friends?

YES! that is exactly what I meant. You should go ahead and report yourself to the FBI for using those words.


I know you're being facetious, but HOW exactly are you going to filter the noise?

What's gonna happen is the following: Police and Twitter start macking down on people who say bad stuff. Police investigates and see it's all smoke and no fire. After the 100th time it happens, they're gonna say "fark it" and everything will be back to normal.
 
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