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(AZCentral)   CEO of a green energy company tries to buy a councilwoman's vote. When she turns his email over to the town attorney the CEO falls back on the "Damn, that was a joke email", trick "it wasn't meant to be sent"   (azcentral.com ) divider line
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2012-08-07 04:45:47 AM  
So even CEO's of green energy companies suck?
 
2012-08-07 04:57:27 AM  
In other news, a politician didn't accept a bribe. Though with open records on email, it would've been a really dumb thing to do.
 
2012-08-07 05:30:35 AM  

SnarfVader: In other news, a politician didn't accept a bribe. Though with open records on email, it would've been a really dumb thing to do.


Well, this is Arizona. A green energy company would be prosecuted for a bribe. Hell, they prosecute green energy companies for the offense of existing there.
 
2012-08-07 05:31:38 AM  

SoxSweepAgain: So even CEO's of green energy companies suck?


Yes, this one will be picked up by Fox News as Obama Outrage of the WeekTM. By the end of the week, Sarah Palin will be president and Barack Obama will have to put the bomp in the bomp bomp bomp
 
2012-08-07 05:32:20 AM  

SnarfVader: In other news, a politician didn't accept a bribe. Though with open records on email, it would've been a really dumb thing to do.


And the fact that she reported the attempted bribe might just work in her favor at the polls.
 
2012-08-07 05:39:03 AM  
"keyboard therapy" always seems to get me banned around here.
 
2012-08-07 05:43:06 AM  
The council had already been bought off by the coal station that was powering the street lights?
 
2012-08-07 05:43:56 AM  
I wonder if this councilwoman would have done the same if it were a company whose philosophy she agrees with.
 
2012-08-07 05:51:40 AM  
Why wouldn't a green energy company help with a politician's campaign and expect something in return? Worked for Solyndra and others.
 
2012-08-07 05:52:05 AM  
Hoffman wrote that he invested $75,000 of his own money into the project and found the council's vote "devastating." Hoffman also described himself as a "hard-core conservative active in my local (Northwest) Valley Tea Party."
 
2012-08-07 05:55:51 AM  

sjcousins: The council had already been bought off by the coal station that was powering the street lights?


The problem was they only worked during the daytime.
 
2012-08-07 05:58:45 AM  

Mr. Right: Why wouldn't a green energy company help with a politician's campaign and expect something in return? Worked for Solyndra and others.


DRINK!
 
2012-08-07 05:58:54 AM  
that is buying someone's vote? sounds like SOP in american politics.
 
2012-08-07 06:10:02 AM  
I think the obvious lesson here is the bribe was too small.
 
2012-08-07 06:18:36 AM  
"What I want is to help you get elected by allowing you to lead," Hoffman wrote. "Would be a nice image -- Jenn Daniels is then GOOD on the Environment, A Job Creator, Fiscal Leader and a Tax Cutter. ... That's a real conservative."

That isn't a bribe. It's not even a shady dealing. Tell the coont councilwoman to go learn how politics work.
 
2012-08-07 06:18:40 AM  

Mister Ham: Hoffman wrote that he invested $75,000 of his own money into the project and found the council's vote "devastating." Hoffman also described himself as a "hard-core conservative active in my local (Northwest) Valley Tea Party."


Well there's your mistake right there. You gambled $75,000 of your own money on a council's vote for a ridiculous solar project? You have no business sense.
 
2012-08-07 06:19:51 AM  
Typical republican hypocrite.
 
2012-08-07 06:21:22 AM  
So, how's that Arizona fark tag coming along? How much longer? how many more headlines? What will it take? What OTHER state is more deserving?
 
2012-08-07 06:33:37 AM  
That headline is truly a wreck of punctuation.
 
2012-08-07 06:40:16 AM  
FTA: Hoffman said he later recalled the e-mail

Email "recall" has to be one of my favorite noob features. Nothing shouts "read this mail" louder than someone trying to recall it.

/to be abused by phishers in 3...2...
 
2012-08-07 06:40:56 AM  
farm9.staticflickr.com

"I'll tell you something. This country is going to the dogs. You know, it used to be when you bought a politician, that son of a biatch stayed bought".
 
2012-08-07 06:49:23 AM  

SoxSweepAgain: So even CEO's of green energy companies suck?


At a time when we're well past the point where we've realized that there's money in the term "green energy", this surprises you?
 
2012-08-07 06:55:38 AM  

Alphakronik: "What I want is to help you get elected by allowing you to lead," Hoffman wrote. "Would be a nice image -- Jenn Daniels is then GOOD on the Environment, A Job Creator, Fiscal Leader and a Tax Cutter. ... That's a real conservative."

That isn't a bribe. It's not even a shady dealing. Tell the coont councilwoman to go learn how politics work.


This.

He wasn't offering her money; he was saying he'd endorse her. First Amendment, etc. Is there any race that doesn't involve horse-trading like that?

How about all the companies that want concessions -- like tax breaks -- in exchange for locating somewhere? Hell, every professional sports team does a shakedown before moving or building a stadium.

IMHO, corporations shouldn't be allowed to spend money on races, including "independent" expenditures like the full-page ads he offered. But as long as the courts take the position that -- to quote Romney (cue flamewar) -- "corporations are people," they can get away with it.
 
2012-08-07 06:57:30 AM  

Mr. Right: Why wouldn't a green energy company help with a politician's campaign and expect something in return? Worked for Solyndra and others.


Sure thing, Clem! An' don't this prove that all that "environment" crap is a lie, and we should give more tax cuts to the oil companies?
America, F**k Yeah!!

America - founded by Asian immigrants 10,000 years ago - wrecked by white trash in 400 years.
 
2012-08-07 07:03:51 AM  
"Political Kabuki"

I know what Kabuki is, but it doesn't make any sense.... Did he mean to say, "Political Harakiri?"
 
2012-08-07 07:07:19 AM  

Satanus Maximus: "Political Kabuki"

I know what Kabuki is, but it doesn't make any sense.... Did he mean to say, "Political Harakiri?"


Sure, dude.
 
2012-08-07 07:13:40 AM  

Alphakronik: "What I want is to help you get elected by allowing you to lead," Hoffman wrote. "Would be a nice image -- Jenn Daniels is then GOOD on the Environment, A Job Creator, Fiscal Leader and a Tax Cutter. ... That's a real conservative."

That isn't a bribe. It's not even a shady dealing. Tell the coont councilwoman to go learn how politics work.


Yeah that would play well. Draw the place that much closer to bankruptcy by investing in a QUACK solar project.

I'm an engineer, and putting solar panels on streetlights really doesn't sound like a good place for them. Being green is about producing more resource than you consume. Expensive mounts, individual grid-tie inverters, and having to astronomically complicate the job of expensive maintenance men who can barely be sent out to change a bulb every 5-10 years is a lot of cost compared to just sticking a bunch of poles in the ground in a field.

I'd guess you could put about a sq meter of panel up there before the wind load threatens to rip the whole thing up in a storm.
That'd be about a 200W panel, Arizona gets an average of 6 std solar hours per day on an optimal fixed-tilt panel, after accounting for seasons and clouds. Electricity costs about $0.10/KWH on average. That means this panel could create about $0.12 per day in "value" returned.

IF they even bothered to place a 1 sq meter panel up there. I wouldn't be shocked if you just put up a third of that, who cares, it's obviously just for show anyways.

(mild research) Hmm, they seem to have been not "solar panels on streetlights", but LED lights with "solar sleeves" down them:
Link

Hint: vertical is NOT a good orientation for solar panels. Not a killer, but in that location, about 20% less outright.

They're not "real" streetlights, they don't produce that sort of light output. Actually LEDs aren't notably any more efficient than conventional sodium-vapor lamps. Seriously, they're not. High pressure sodium is 72-115 lumens/watt. Low-pressure sodium, infamous for the sickly yellow glow, is 100-183 lumens/watt. High-quality LEDs are like 100 lumens/watt, although there are a few types up to 130 lumens/watt or so. BTW, CFL is about 60 lumens/watt, the streetlights are much more efficient.

But, LEDs can be dimmed, also they can be turned on and off instantly, whereas sodium-vapor must be cycled. Which is nice but probably not gonna be all that helpful.

I suspect they've got batteries inside- but the cost of battery life is easily calculated. Even with the best types, every KWH you charge them up with and then take out is a HELLA expensive KWH. If you're running a remote off-the-grid cabin, that still makes perfect sense. But if you're talking cost-effectiveness and being "green", spending $20,000 on batteries that last 5 years to save $1000 in electricity is a bad deal.

Or they might be hooked up to the grid, but then the power is essentially fungible anyways, there's little reason to put panels on the lights themselves, instead of a location where it's vastly more cost-effective. Where? ANYWHERE. Anywhere on the grid.

Well I can already see they're trying to equate a low-power LED solar light with a streetlight, and selling a "dimming strategy". Which ain't gonna work for traffic safety, the DOT sets illumination standards for a reason: studies and evidence. And dusk and dawn, where you claim you can dim, aren't THAT long here.
 
2012-08-07 07:15:29 AM  
" Hoffman also described himself as a "hard-core conservative active in my local (Northwest) Valley Tea Party."

I like that they all want to show their bona fides and fealty to the movement. It's like North Korea out there.

Though he was obviously bullshiatting, a teabagger would have proposed strapping gas powered generators to all the street lights.
 
2012-08-07 07:20:33 AM  

Oznog: I'm an engineer, and

. . .

. . . my lengthy post is useless without a stick diagram to indicate motion.

/Married to an engineer.
 
2012-08-07 07:27:21 AM  
News because its a green energy company. They need to get better at this kind of thing. Oil and gas companies have been doing it for decades and perfected it to a fine art.

/Practice makes perfect
//It would be better for all of us if green energy companies were better at bribing politicians
 
2012-08-07 07:29:47 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: " Hoffman also described himself as a "hard-core conservative active in my local (Northwest) Valley Tea Party."

I like that they all want to show their bona fides and fealty to the movement. It's like North Korea out there.

Though he was obviously bullshiatting, a teabagger would have proposed strapping gas powered generators to all the street lights.


There is so much truth to that.

I work for a media company that sells advertising space. Our department does the final encoding and quality checking before the spots are sent to air. Thus, I see ad spots from all over the country.

Things I have learned:

1. Most of the ad spots are for right-wing candidates
2. Candidates almost always use the qualifier, "conservative" to describe themselves as a dogwhistle to their base.
3. Candidates are apparently against "career politicians"
4. Candidates are tripping over themselves to show how anti-Obama / anti-government they are
5. Most of these candidates were either business people or attorneys
 
2012-08-07 07:48:41 AM  

Alphakronik: "What I want is to help you get elected by allowing you to lead," Hoffman wrote. "Would be a nice image -- Jenn Daniels is then GOOD on the Environment, A Job Creator, Fiscal Leader and a Tax Cutter. ... That's a real conservative."

That isn't a bribe. It's not even a shady dealing. Tell the coont councilwoman to go learn how politics work.


bingo! i too was wondering what this non-event is about. how this was turned into "bribe" and a news article is beyond my understanding. this is little more than a severe knee-jerk reaction by a coont councilwoman. she should have quietly spoke with others about this and got a clue before going full herp-a-derp on it. businessman has a right to be pissed IMHO.
 
2012-08-07 07:51:30 AM  
Well, she really had no choice once he memorialized his intentions in an email.
 
2012-08-07 08:00:52 AM  
Oh look. A story about corruption in the energy industry. And it's a green energy company.

Damn liberal media!
 
2012-08-07 08:09:06 AM  

Oznog: Actually LEDs aren't notably any more efficient than conventional sodium-vapor lamps. Seriously, they're not. High pressure sodium is 72-115 lumens/watt. Low-pressure sodium, infamous for the sickly yellow glow, is 100-183 lumens/watt. High-quality LEDs are like 100 lumens/watt, although there are a few types up to 130 lumens/watt or so. BTW, CFL is about 60 lumens/watt, the streetlights are much more efficient.


Hi, I work directly with LEDs.

You're so dead wrong it's not even funny.

*holds up 220l/w Cree diode.*
 
2012-08-07 08:11:32 AM  

Satanus Maximus: "Political Kabuki"

I know what Kabuki is, but it doesn't make any sense.... Did he mean to say, "Political Harakiri?"


Seeing this news article acted out as a kabuki play would certainly be interesting.
 
2012-08-07 08:12:35 AM  
Oh, and instead of just LEDs....

http://ledsmagazine.com/news/9/8/1

Oh, lookie, 170 lm/w.

That's roughly 18% better.

And you're forgetting about optical efficiency, as well. The visible photon flux density is in fact GREATER at equivalent wattages, even with crap Bridgelux Diodes.

Lux is green light. HPS has plenty. What really matters overall is PPFD, and LEDs win hands down, all day.
 
2012-08-07 08:25:37 AM  

Fluid: Satanus Maximus: "Political Kabuki"

I know what Kabuki is, but it doesn't make any sense.... Did he mean to say, "Political Harakiri?"

Seeing this news article acted out as a kabuki play would certainly be interesting.


Playing the part of the ex CEO, This Guy:
web-japan.org
 
2012-08-07 08:27:39 AM  

jso2897: Mr. Right: Why wouldn't a green energy company help with a politician's campaign and expect something in return? Worked for Solyndra and others.

Sure thing, Clem! An' don't this prove that all that "environment" crap is a lie, and we should give more tax cuts to the oil companies?
America, F**k Yeah!!

America - founded by Asian immigrants 10,000 years ago - wrecked by white trash in 400 years.


WTF are you going on about? I pointed out that there is precedent for green energy companies helping to get a politician elected and expecting favors in return. Solyndra is one in a long list of green energy companies that raised money for the current administration and got substantial loans from the stimulus fund. A good many of those companies are bankrupt so the loans will never be repaid but that's beside the point.

You then take off on a rant about oil companies and anti-environmentalism that I never even hinted at and you close with a profoundly ignorant snit about how evil the white man is and has been to America.

Does the mention of Solyndra touch a raw nerve or something?
 
2012-08-07 08:29:50 AM  
Dammit man this is NOT Chicago!
 
2012-08-07 08:31:15 AM  

Fluid: Satanus Maximus: "Political Kabuki"

I know what Kabuki is, but it doesn't make any sense.... Did he mean to say, "Political Harakiri?"

Seeing this news article acted out as a kabuki play would certainly be interesting.


Maybe he meant "Political Bukkake". Those Japanese words can be confusing.
 
2012-08-07 08:55:50 AM  

WayToBlue: FTA: Hoffman said he later recalled the e-mail

Email "recall" has to be one of my favorite noob features. Nothing shouts "read this mail" louder than someone trying to recall it.

/to be abused by phishers in 3...2...


Plus it rarely works as expected. I advise youngsters that work for me not to stake their careers on being able to recall an email.
 
2012-08-07 09:16:24 AM  

MythDragon: Fluid: Satanus Maximus: "Political Kabuki"

I know what Kabuki is, but it doesn't make any sense.... Did he mean to say, "Political Harakiri?"

Seeing this news article acted out as a kabuki play would certainly be interesting.

Playing the part of the ex CEO, This Guy:
[web-japan.org image 350x400]


LOL
 
2012-08-07 09:17:08 AM  

Uranus Megahertz: Fluid: Satanus Maximus: "Political Kabuki"

I know what Kabuki is, but it doesn't make any sense.... Did he mean to say, "Political Harakiri?"

Seeing this news article acted out as a kabuki play would certainly be interesting.

Maybe he meant "Political Bukkake". Those Japanese words can be confusing.


Bukkake derives from the Japanese verb, 'bukakemasu' -- to splatter. Maybe an element of truth somewhere?
 
2012-08-07 09:18:16 AM  
Oznog

You forgot to mention that these are streetlights...outdoor lighting. Given that most outdoor lighting is a complete waste of energy in the first place, trying to make it "green" is beyond absurd. If you want to make outdoor lighting "green," just get rid of it altogether, tear it down, remove it.
 
2012-08-07 09:23:51 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: I wonder if this councilwoman would have done the same if it were a company whose philosophy she agrees with.


Not for nuthin, but bribes aren't usually needed when the politician and company share the same philosophy.
 
2012-08-07 09:30:23 AM  

Alphakronik: "What I want is to help you get elected by allowing you to lead," Hoffman wrote. "Would be a nice image -- Jenn Daniels is then GOOD on the Environment, A Job Creator, Fiscal Leader and a Tax Cutter. ... That's a real conservative."

That isn't a bribe. It's not even a shady dealing. Tell the coont councilwoman to go learn how politics work.


I dunno, her agenda is different than the CEO's, and she set in motion a chain of events that forced him to resign, and may result in criminal charges. She still has her job, and can claim in her next ad that she stood toe-to-toe with the scary green energy CEO and won. Sounds to me like she's pretty good at politics.
 
2012-08-07 09:38:40 AM  

Baron Harkonnen: That headline is truly a wreck of punctuation.


Glad to see someone else noticed that.

Commas how, do they work?
 
2012-08-07 09:51:08 AM  

canyoneer: Oznog

You forgot to mention that these are streetlights...outdoor lighting. Given that most outdoor lighting is a complete waste of energy in the first place, trying to make it "green" is beyond absurd. If you want to make outdoor lighting "green," just get rid of it altogether, tear it down, remove it.


As someone with no street lights in his neighborhood, I kind of agree with you. Conversely, without proper security at the house, a dark street could be easy pickings.

Then again, I live in the town famous for its mandatory gun law -- lots of armed folks here.
 
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2012-08-07 09:58:26 AM  

SnarfVader: In other news, a politician didn't accept a bribe. Though with open records on email, it would've been a really dumb thing to do.


Maybe AZSCAM was still fresh enough in her mind that she figured it was a trap.

Who the fark documents their illegal exploits to a government official this way? That's just stupid. That's what the golf course, steak dinners, and attending sporting events are for...
 
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