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(New Zeal)   Want to know how I know Romney won't win in 2012? Difficulty level for Fark commenters: Right versus Left is a moot point   (trevorloudon.com) divider line 47
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2012-08-07 08:24:26 AM
Oh god submitter, you are so farkin independent and above the fray that it just hurts and furthermore

Loudon is the blogger from New Zealand who broke the stories of Frank Marshall Davis being Obama's communist mentor, and Van Jones having a communist background after his appointment as Obama's "Green Jobs Czar."
 
2012-08-07 08:44:46 AM
August 7, 2012: The day that all sucky blogs get greenlit.
 
2012-08-07 08:52:58 AM
Romney won't win because, in spite of being vaguely reasonable himself, his party as moved so far into Crazyville that the Democrats now legitimately start a presidential election with 246 electoral votes in the bag. That gives them a rather short sprint to 270.
 
2012-08-07 08:54:12 AM
One guy involved in a massive piece of legislation belonged to a socialist group in the late 70s and early 80s.

Non-story, sensationalist bullshiat.
 
2012-08-07 08:56:47 AM
The election will hinge on Republicans' hatred of Obama vs their indifference to Romney, and if the Democrats can scare enough independents and left-wingers who are indifferent to Obama to get out the vote.
 
2012-08-07 08:57:46 AM
Damn. And I let my DSA card expire.
 
2012-08-07 08:58:14 AM

Lenny and Carl: Romney won't win because, in spite of being vaguely reasonable himself, his party as moved so far into Crazyville that the Democrats now legitimately start a presidential election with 246 electoral votes in the bag. That gives them a rather short sprint to 270.


Yup.
 
2012-08-07 09:00:27 AM

RumsfeldsReplacement: Lenny and Carl: Romney won't win because, in spite of being vaguely reasonable himself, his party as moved so far into Crazyville that the Democrats now legitimately start a presidential election with 246 electoral votes in the bag. That gives them a rather short sprint to 270.

Yup.


indeed.
 
2012-08-07 09:01:06 AM
Because Ohioans hate Romney, and no one else's opinion matters thanks to our wonderful system
 
2012-08-07 09:02:18 AM
Is it a crime to use some good policies that make sense from Communism/Marxism/Socialism/Authoritarian/Fascism/whatever?
 
2012-08-07 09:03:07 AM
He won't win for the same reason that Kerry didn't beat Bush.

Not enough people get motivated to go out and vote against the other guy, when your guy is completely uninspiring.
 
2012-08-07 09:05:02 AM
What was that mess?
 
2012-08-07 09:07:58 AM

Jackson Herring: Oh god submitter, you are so farkin independent and above the fray that it just hurts and furthermore

Loudon is the blogger from New Zealand who broke the stories of Frank Marshall Davis being Obama's communist mentor, and Van Jones having a communist background after his appointment as Obama's "Green Jobs Czar."


Subby is independent because he's not linking to a blog that suggests Frank Marshall Davis is actually Barack Obama Jr's real father.
 
2012-08-07 09:08:50 AM

DeaH: What was that mess?


I believe it was a Word Salad. But if could have been blogspacco. It was kind of soupy.
 
2012-08-07 09:14:03 AM
Two words: Nobody likes him.
 
2012-08-07 09:15:51 AM

Masso: Is it a crime to use some good policies that make sense from Communism/Marxism/Socialism/Authoritarian/Fascism/whatever?


What country do you think this is?

/don't have the Ferris Beuller garage pic
 
2012-08-07 09:19:19 AM
Tiresome article.

Romney won't win because the more we see of him and hear from him, the more we realize that we cannot connect with him, and that he wouldn't want us to anyway. He's a dull, boorish, priveleged elite mess of a man, cold and isolated by his own awkward brand of propriety, isolated from the wealthy who don't share his taboos and isolated from society in general by his utter lack of social skills. His smiles are awkward, his openings in conversations are strained and lack genuine jocularity, and what levity he attempts to inject falls flat because of its artificiality.

He is without a doubt the most rigid and robotic person I've ever witnessed on television. He can't relax, never successfully passes a joke, and is most likely a simply awful lay. Try to get that image out of your head, ladies.

He should continue to be rich and unaware of the world, and stop trying to be in charge of it. He doesn't understand it, and doesn't even know that he doesn't understand it. He's not one of us, he's not one of THEM, he's a hermit who frustratingly goes outside and tries to glad-hand the neighbors.
 
2012-08-07 09:20:02 AM

mahuika: Subby is independent because he's not linking to a blog that suggests Frank Marshall Davis is actually Barack Obama Jr's real father.


True, he's taken the libby lib position that FMD was only Obama's communist mentor.
 
2012-08-07 09:26:10 AM
Dumb.

/everyone involved, that blogger, the idiot who submitted this and the bigger idiot who greenlit it
//and me for wasting time on it
 
2012-08-07 09:27:41 AM

doyner: August 7, 2012: The day that all sucky blogs get greenlit.


BRB, going to start a sucky blog so it can be greenlit.
 
2012-08-07 09:28:35 AM
We have to depend on an blogger from New Zealand to report on American socialists. It's like living in a 1950's Soviet Bloc listening to Radio Free Europe.
 
2012-08-07 09:43:48 AM
Conservatives care more about brands than they do about ideas. Who gives a shiat if a socialist had a good idea, it must be evil. Who gives a shiat if respected conservative economists came up with half of Obamacare, we named it Obamacare so it must be evil.

What they don't realize is that political independents are the exact opposite. They don't identify with either of the major political brands, that's why they are independent. One election the word liberal is an effective epithet, the next election it doesn't get any traction. Independents care about the ideas behind the brands and the people standing in front of them. They aren't the smartest or the most scrutinizing, and they can certainly be fooled easily, but they cannot be fooled with the same parade of dog whistle brand name dropping as the broader GOP.

Romney's ads have been a string of broadly manipulative mis-characterizations of Obama and other Democrats. They are too broad and obvious, and rely heavily on GOP dog whistles. Romney is still working hard on turning out his base, not capturing independents. Only in the last week has he released a string of commercials about why someone should vote FOR Romney rather than just against Obama, highlighting his tenure at the Olympics with no mention of his experience at Bain or in Massachusetts. These adds are still just a drop in the bucket compared to the number of "you didn't build that" ads.

Either Romney knows that he has a soft base that still has to be solidified this far after the primary, or Romney thinks independents are just GOP voters that need to be energized. Either way, that's why he's going to lose.

/also, as evidenced by his Euro-trip, Romney's PR people have no power over him.
 
2012-08-07 09:46:15 AM

badhatharry: We have to depend on an blogger from New Zealand to report on American socialists. It's like living in a 1950's Soviet Bloc listening to Radio Free Europe.


I thought I knew at least basic facts about them. But I never realized that the DSA isn't affiliated with the Socialist Party USA (which completely rejects Marxist communism in favor of Scandanavian-style system). Didn't realize there was still any kind of Marxist movement in the US.

ChaoticLimbs: Romney won't win because the more we see of him and hear from him, the more we realize that we cannot connect with him, and that he wouldn't want us to anyway. He's a dull, boorish, priveleged elite mess of a man, cold and isolated by his own awkward brand of propriety, isolated from the wealthy who don't share his taboos and isolated from society in general by his utter lack of social skills. His smiles are awkward, his openings in conversations are strained and lack genuine jocularity, and what levity he attempts to inject falls flat because of its artificiality.


This. The charismatic candidate has beaten the uncharismatic one going back to, what, FDR? Personality trumped party in all those elections.
 
2012-08-07 09:46:38 AM
Because he's a chronic liar?
 
2012-08-07 09:48:16 AM

JohnnyC: RumsfeldsReplacement: Lenny and Carl: Romney won't win because, in spite of being vaguely reasonable himself, his party as moved so far into Crazyville that the Democrats now legitimately start a presidential election with 246 electoral votes in the bag. That gives them a rather short sprint to 270.

Yup.

indeed.


Precisely.
 
2012-08-07 09:48:37 AM
No, I don't want to know anything your shiatty blog tells me. Get that piece of shiat off the internet.
 
2012-08-07 09:52:24 AM
Ha ha, I love the way the Socialist International is invoked as some sort of shadowy conspiracy. Most center-left political parties in the world are members of it, including the Labour Party in the U.K. The U.S. Democratic Party is not a member, of course, because they are way too far to the right. Here's their super-secret website, accessible only through the shadowy, secretive World Wide Web.

Anyway, you know who else is a member of the DSA? That's right, Lou Grant!:

noliesradio.org

/Hot.
 
2012-08-07 09:54:10 AM
I get nervous when this many people agree with me. It feels unFark-like.
 
2012-08-07 09:59:20 AM

Lenny and Carl: Romney won't win because, in spite of being vaguely reasonable himself, his party as moved so far into Crazyville that the Democrats now legitimately start a presidential election with 246 electoral votes in the bag. That gives them a rather short sprint to 270.


"Vaguely reasonable" is a stretch. Tell me Romney's opinion on something.
 
2012-08-07 10:01:49 AM

clkeagle: I thought I knew at least basic facts about them. But I never realized that the DSA isn't affiliated with the Socialist Party USA (which completely rejects Marxist communism in favor of Scandanavian-style system). Didn't realize there was still any kind of Marxist movement in the US.


The DSA is not a doctrinaire Marxist party, though its analysis of capitalism is certainly informed by Marxism. Most of the policies they advocate are in fact more like Scandinavian social democracy than more radical versions of socialism or communism. You can learn more on their website. None of this is shadowy or secretive, despite what subby's link implies. Cornel West and Barbara Ehrenreich are DSA members.

For more explicitly Marxist (or Marxist-Leninist or Trotskyist) parties in the U.S., I think the International Socialist Organization is probably the biggest one. They're Trotskyists, and are very active on college campuses.

/Not a member of either, but I like to keep up with fuller spectrum of political thought and activism than the good cop/bad cop capitalists of the Democrats/Republicans.
 
2012-08-07 10:14:45 AM

IrateShadow: Lenny and Carl: Romney won't win because, in spite of being vaguely reasonable himself, his party as moved so far into Crazyville that the Democrats now legitimately start a presidential election with 246 electoral votes in the bag. That gives them a rather short sprint to 270.

"Vaguely reasonable" is a stretch. Tell me Romney's opinion on something.


Lemon, Wet, Good.
 
2012-08-07 10:24:34 AM

KatjaMouse: Because he's a chronic liar?


That is not normally a problem in politics. It is more that he is an inconsistent liar.
 
2012-08-07 10:25:10 AM
Abandoned by his father before he was born

Abandoned by his mother at age 10

Obama abandonment trifecta in play expected to be completed in Nov as aamerica abandones Obama at age 51
 
2012-08-07 10:25:17 AM

clkeagle:
The charismatic candidate has beaten the uncharismatic one going back to, what, FDR? Personality trumped party in all those elections.


You're telling me that Ike was more charismatic than Adlai Stevenson? Really?

Or Nixon was more charismatic than Humphrey?

Or that JFK-Nixon was so close because they're both almost equally charismatic?

Or that Romney was more charismatic than, say, Santorum?

Sweet evil Jesus, are you kidding?

News flash, while the liberals and the conservatives argue over policy, ideology, and character, political campaigns turn on how well you run your actual campaign. Did you organize your ground game to register voters? To get old people rides to the polls? Were your phone banks organized so people were more likely to get a call from someone they knew, or at least lived in their neighborhood?

And of course your media: did you put money in the right markets, at the right time? Ford didn't lose to Carter because he latter was so charming. Ford made a massive spending push, which raised his poll numbers up above Carter's. But he did it two or three weeks too early, he peaked, and then declined.

That's how you win elections, and Obama's team is very good at it. They've been opening field offices and compiling lists of volunteers, keeping them engaged with regular small get-togethers, mobilizing the forces on the ground. That's why they're going to win.
 
2012-08-07 10:37:23 AM
"Vaguely reasonable" is a stretch. Tell me Romney's opinion on something.

I can name any opinion because he's held them all.

There's a reason I added the caveat "vaguely." He's not a bomb thrower who thinks that Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to church and wants that incontrovertible fact taught in science class. He's a smart guy who's good with numbers. I'm not saying he would use that ability for good, but at least he isn't claiming that Obama was born on Jupiter and he has the alien birth records to prove it.

And yes, I know that it's sad how bad Romney's party has gotten that we can look at a man and say, "Hey, he doesn't drool and play with his own poop. By Republican standards he's a bloody genius."
 
2012-08-07 10:39:50 AM

Brick-House: Abandoned by his father before he was born

Abandoned by his mother at age 10

Obama abandonment trifecta in play expected to be completed in Nov as aamerica abandones Obama at age 51


Fark's resident racist dropping in for shiats and giggles.
 
2012-08-07 10:55:00 AM

Brick-House: Obama abandonment trifecta in play expected to be completed in Nov as aamerica abandones Obama at age 51


Not trying to be partisan, but what is it that makes conservatives so confident Obama will lose the election? Romney's unfavorable ratings are higher than Obama's, and Nate Silver, who got all the states right except for one in the last presidential election, is giving Obama a 72 percent chance of winning. I'm not saying "game over," because lots could change between now and November, but if I were a Republican/conservative, I certainly wouldn't be confident-I'd be very, very worried.

Just because everybody you talked to at the Chick-Fil-A last week is voting for Romney doesn't mean everybody else will.
 
2012-08-07 10:59:32 AM
It's not about right vs. left anymore. It's about the extremely rich (read: corporations) vs. everybody else.
 
2012-08-07 11:29:04 AM

chopit: It's not about right vs. left anymore. It's about the extremely rich (read: corporations) vs. everybody else.


Only you and your band of OWS buddies think that. It's about a despotic regulatory government oppressing the economy vs. everybody else.
 
2012-08-07 11:44:26 AM
Sweet Jeebus I need a drink after reading that jumble

thesportshernia.typepad.com
 
2012-08-07 11:49:19 AM

badhatharry: Only you and your band of OWS buddies think that. It's about a despotic regulatory government oppressing the economy vs. everybody else.


Only you and your band of Fark Independents think that. Who do you think has the most control over the "despotic regulatory government'? The very rich and corporations, or some other group?
 
2012-08-07 12:17:08 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

It was never about Right versus Left.
 
2012-08-07 12:18:05 PM

Lenny and Carl: "Vaguely reasonable" is a stretch. Tell me Romney's opinion on something.

I can name any opinion because he's held them all.

There's a reason I added the caveat "vaguely." He's not a bomb thrower who thinks that Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to church and wants that incontrovertible fact taught in science class. He's a smart guy who's good with numbers. I'm not saying he would use that ability for good, but at least he isn't claiming that Obama was born on Jupiter and he has the alien birth records to prove it.

And yes, I know that it's sad how bad Romney's party has gotten that we can look at a man and say, "Hey, he doesn't drool and play with his own poop. By Republican standards he's a bloody genius."


"Reasonably vague" might be a better descriptor.
 
2012-08-07 12:20:15 PM
Romney can't win because Gary Johnson is going to spoil the conservative vote.
 
2012-08-07 01:14:00 PM

mrshowrules: Brick-House: Abandoned by his father before he was born

Abandoned by his mother at age 10

Obama abandonment trifecta in play expected to be completed in Nov as aamerica abandones Obama at age 51

Fark's resident racist dropping in for shiats and giggles.


Give him a cookie. Maybe he'll go away.
 
2012-08-07 03:22:59 PM

delathi: He won't win for the same reason that Kerry didn't beat Bush.

Not enough people get motivated to go out and vote against the other guy, when your guy is completely uninspiring.


This, plus his VP pick will do him in no matter who he picks. If he picks someone charismatic he will have his spotlight usurped and be viewed as weak. If he picks someone who appeals to the "base", he will lose the centrist/independent vote. If he picks a moderate, the ticket will be accused of being RINOs by the base alienating them. If he picks some one as borring, wooden, and laconic as he is; the pick will fail to create much of a "bump" in the polls or media hype.
 
2012-08-08 12:22:20 AM
Dude.

Naming your site "NEW ZEAL"...
with subhead "shining the Torch for Liberty"

labels you an inconsequential internet douchetard flamebot.

My advice: sparkly crying eagles.
 
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