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2012-08-07 10:03:51 AM
But the two-decade gap between U.S. and Russian drone technology is still a useful reminder that Moscow does not pose a major military threat to any country that isn't its immediate neighbor.

Two things:

1: Drone technology is not the end-all of military prowess. The Russian military didn't have trouble with Georgia because Georgia had drones, they had trouble with Georgia because Russia sold them the latest and greatest Russian SAM systems a few years earlier.

2: Since when has technological inferiority hampered the Russian military? Reliability, versatility, and quantity are the name of the game in the Motherland.
 
2012-08-07 11:46:47 AM
Good thing that their shaky-video technology is state-of-the-art. I bet that was taken on an iPhone.
 
2012-08-07 11:46:56 AM
Maybe we should wait until we have a means to get to the space station before we taunt our Russian overlords.
 
2012-08-07 11:49:29 AM
Do you think Putin got mad?
 
2012-08-07 11:49:50 AM

Jubeebee: 2: Since when has technological inferiority hampered the Russian military? Reliability, versatility, and quantity are the name of the game in the Motherland.


That's true; just take a look at how well they did in Afghanistan...oh wait...
 
2012-08-07 11:50:19 AM

Jubeebee: But the two-decade gap between U.S. and Russian drone technology is still a useful reminder that Moscow does not pose a major military threat to any country that isn't its immediate neighbor.

Two things:

1: Drone technology is not the end-all of military prowess. The Russian military didn't have trouble with Georgia because Georgia had drones, they had trouble with Georgia because Russia sold them the latest and greatest Russian SAM systems a few years earlier.

2: Since when has technological inferiority hampered the Russian military? Reliability, versatility, and quantity are the name of the game in the Motherland.


My Mosin from 1944 that shoots 70-year-old ammo and still hit a target from a mile can attest to the functionality of Soviet/Russian designs.
 
2012-08-07 11:51:04 AM
What to go with...

"Wow, looks like OCP is making products for Russian now. Can't wait to see RoboCop 4."

or

"Yeah, that's what they WANT us to think. Nice try propaganda minister."
 
2012-08-07 11:51:52 AM

Jubeebee: 1: Drone technology is not the end-all of military prowess. The Russian military didn't have trouble with Georgia because Georgia had drones, they had trouble with Georgia because Russia sold them the latest and greatest Russian SAM systems a few years earlier.


What this really shows you is the astronomical brain-drain that has taken place in Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Drones are not that technologically complex, and in this video we see them failing to achieve stable flight. I'm only slightly kidding when I say that this task in on the level of super-sizing a remote-controlled plane.

Jubeebee: 2: Since when has technological inferiority hampered the Russian military? Reliability, versatility, and quantity are the name of the game in the Motherland.


Desert Storm showed pretty conclusively that masses of low-tech troops simply cannot compete with a high-tech war machine. Consider the psychological effect of a actual attack drones: you and your countrymen fight and die to kill a bunch of robots. You don't even get to draw your enemy's blood, and when you do succeed they will simply send more expendable robots to the task.
 
2012-08-07 11:52:26 AM
I don't know what you're on about, it clearly succeeded in annihilating the target anthill. Soon they will be expanding operations to target the steppe lemming; world domination can't be far behind.
 
2012-08-07 11:52:36 AM
Barbecue, anyone?
 
2012-08-07 11:53:26 AM

Rwa2play: Jubeebee: 2: Since when has technological inferiority hampered the Russian military? Reliability, versatility, and quantity are the name of the game in the Motherland.

That's true; just take a look at how well they did in Afghanistan...oh wait...


I'm not sure that's a great point to make, considering our stellar performance there.
 
2012-08-07 11:54:12 AM

Fubini: Jubeebee: 1: Drone technology is not the end-all of military prowess. The Russian military didn't have trouble with Georgia because Georgia had drones, they had trouble with Georgia because Russia sold them the latest and greatest Russian SAM systems a few years earlier.

What this really shows you is the astronomical brain-drain that has taken place in Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Drones are not that technologically complex, and in this video we see them failing to achieve stable flight. I'm only slightly kidding when I say that this task in on the level of super-sizing a remote-controlled plane.

Jubeebee: 2: Since when has technological inferiority hampered the Russian military? Reliability, versatility, and quantity are the name of the game in the Motherland.

Desert Storm showed pretty conclusively that masses of low-tech troops simply cannot compete with a high-tech war machine. Consider the psychological effect of a actual attack drones: you and your countrymen fight and die to kill a bunch of robots. You don't even get to draw your enemy's blood, and when you do succeed they will simply send more expendable robots to the task.


With that in mind, Id see a lot of "area of denial" weapons when it comes to robot enemies.

Nobody is going to want to spend the effort and money to train a troop to get killed by a robot.

Its going to be "how many robots can we incinerate with this single bomb before we send men in"
 
2012-08-07 11:54:39 AM
You can get better flight control systems for RC craft from Helidirect.com.
 
2012-08-07 11:54:54 AM
Hey - the thing got off the ground DESPITE being fueled with vodka!
I declare it a partial success.
 
2012-08-07 11:55:27 AM

Fubini: Rwa2play: Jubeebee: 2: Since when has technological inferiority hampered the Russian military? Reliability, versatility, and quantity are the name of the game in the Motherland.

That's true; just take a look at how well they did in Afghanistan...oh wait...

I'm not sure that's a great point to make, considering our stellar performance there.


Afghanistan is known as "Russia's Vietnam" for a reason. I reckon this topic is slightly taboo in Russian military circles even today.
 
2012-08-07 11:55:38 AM

demonbug: I don't know what you're on about, it clearly succeeded in annihilating the target anthill. Soon they will be expanding operations to target the steppe lemming; world domination can't be far behind.


Please overnight one keyboard to my address.
 
2012-08-07 11:57:31 AM

Fubini: Desert Storm showed pretty conclusively that masses of low-tech troops simply cannot compete with a high-tech war machine.


The U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have shown the exact opposite, except they don't even need masses of troops. All they need is patience and persistence.
 
2012-08-07 11:59:13 AM

Rwa2play: Fubini: Rwa2play: Jubeebee: 2: Since when has technological inferiority hampered the Russian military? Reliability, versatility, and quantity are the name of the game in the Motherland.

That's true; just take a look at how well they did in Afghanistan...oh wait...

I'm not sure that's a great point to make, considering our stellar performance there.

Afghanistan is known as "Russia's Vietnam" for a reason. I reckon this topic is slightly taboo in Russian military circles even today.


My Supervisor was a Soviet combat paratrooper in Afghanistan in the 80s.

His stories are similar to the ones I hear from friends who go over there now. Pretty horrific stuff.

Except the Soviet army was far more brutal than todays American army. He still has a hard time talking about it, if at all.
 
2012-08-07 11:59:44 AM
Civilian, commercial-off-the-shelf drone tech doesn't lag behind the US military by all that much. This is really simple stuff these days - electronics are cheap, the aerodynamic aspects aren't particularly challenging, and most of the critical knowledge is widely known.

The only thing most civilians and countries are missing is our own satellite coms.
 
2012-08-07 12:05:00 PM
Yes, I'm sure this one video represents the entirety of the Russian drone program. Admittably, I can't see the video here at work, but I'm sure the US has plenty of videos of their drones crashing for one reason or another.
 
2012-08-07 12:06:34 PM

Fubini: Jubeebee: 1: Drone technology is not the end-all of military prowess. The Russian military didn't have trouble with Georgia because Georgia had drones, they had trouble with Georgia because Russia sold them the latest and greatest Russian SAM systems a few years earlier.

What this really shows you is the astronomical brain-drain that has taken place in Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Drones are not that technologically complex, and in this video we see them failing to achieve stable flight. I'm only slightly kidding when I say that this task in on the level of super-sizing a remote-controlled plane.

Jubeebee: 2: Since when has technological inferiority hampered the Russian military? Reliability, versatility, and quantity are the name of the game in the Motherland.

Desert Storm showed pretty conclusively that masses of low-tech troops simply cannot compete with a high-tech war machine. Consider the psychological effect of a actual attack drones: you and your countrymen fight and die to kill a bunch of robots. You don't even get to draw your enemy's blood, and when you do succeed they will simply send more expendable robots to the task.


"Send out war robot Ajax to bring back his body!"
 
2012-08-07 12:06:49 PM
Unmanned orbital spaceplane makes runway landing:
USSR: 1988
USA: 2010
 
2012-08-07 12:07:25 PM

midigod: Fubini: Desert Storm showed pretty conclusively that masses of low-tech troops simply cannot compete with a high-tech war machine.

The U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have shown the exact opposite, except they don't even need masses of troops. All they need is patience and persistence.


No, actually they showed the same thing. Every time we encountered a mass of low tech troops, they got their ass kicked. It was just the occupation that sucked balls. What we learned post invasions was "It's not worth occupying, just bomb it flat, declare victory, go home."
 
2012-08-07 12:08:36 PM
this being why most small aircraft have one engine located at the front or the rear along the mass axis
 
2012-08-07 12:11:02 PM
I agree with the earlier poster. It worked. It was very succesfull at blowing up a field of valuable grassland.

It could be used against corn fields or even wheat or oats....

They'll starve us out.
 
2012-08-07 12:11:41 PM

Nem Wan: Unmanned orbital spaceplane makes runway landing:
USSR: 1988
USA: 2010


Came here to say this. And post links and and and... But fark it, believe just what you want.
 
2012-08-07 12:12:46 PM
Disagree. The Russians have some pretty awsome shiat.
 
2012-08-07 12:13:13 PM
For some reason I can only think they stuck a spider monkey in that thing with a few mini bottles of vodka and the keys.
 
2012-08-07 12:14:30 PM

Rwa2play: Fubini: Rwa2play: Jubeebee: 2: Since when has technological inferiority hampered the Russian military? Reliability, versatility, and quantity are the name of the game in the Motherland.

That's true; just take a look at how well they did in Afghanistan...oh wait...

I'm not sure that's a great point to make, considering our stellar performance there.

Afghanistan is known as "Russia's Vietnam" for a reason. I reckon this topic is slightly taboo in Russian military circles even today.


Russia's problem in Afghanistan was anything but technological inferiority.

Fubini: Desert Storm showed pretty conclusively that masses of low-tech troops simply cannot compete with a high-tech war machine. Consider the psychological effect of a actual attack drones: you and your countrymen fight and die to kill a bunch of robots. You don't even get to draw your enemy's blood, and when you do succeed they will simply send more expendable robots to the task.


Or, if you're Russia, you use some of your thousands of state of the art SAMs to shoot down the drones. Russia's military doctrine doesn't need to mirror the US to be effective, nor do they have to be able to stand up to the US military in a head-to-head showdown. They aren't going to be storming the Fulda Gap, and the nukes on both sides will keep us from each others' throats.

Granted, their military has it's problems, but lack of effective drone technology is not one of the most pressing.
 
2012-08-07 12:15:29 PM

prjindigo: this being why most small aircraft have one engine located at the front or the rear along the mass axis


Plenty of small aircraft have multiple engines with individual thrust vectors off the center of mass (hopefully with combined thrust vectors that come pretty close the the center-line though). What this looked like was simply a poorly tuned yaw axis control loop.
 
2012-08-07 12:16:51 PM

Dynascape: Jubeebee: But the two-decade gap between U.S. and Russian drone technology is still a useful reminder that Moscow does not pose a major military threat to any country that isn't its immediate neighbor.

Two things:

1: Drone technology is not the end-all of military prowess. The Russian military didn't have trouble with Georgia because Georgia had drones, they had trouble with Georgia because Russia sold them the latest and greatest Russian SAM systems a few years earlier.

2: Since when has technological inferiority hampered the Russian military? Reliability, versatility, and quantity are the name of the game in the Motherland.

My Mosin from 1944 that shoots 70-year-old ammo and still hit a target from a mile can attest to the functionality of Soviet/Russian designs.


Except that your Mosin is a German design.
 
2012-08-07 12:17:21 PM

Nem Wan: Unmanned orbital spaceplane makes runway landing:
USSR: 1988
USA: 2010


Came here to mention Buran and I see it has already been covered. I think they'll figure drones out quickly enough.
 
2012-08-07 12:18:00 PM
resources0.news.com.au
 
2012-08-07 12:21:01 PM
Or is that French?

Nil Tu Aris: Dynascape: Jubeebee: But the two-decade gap between U.S. and Russian drone technology is still a useful reminder that Moscow does not pose a major military threat to any country that isn't its immediate neighbor.

Two things:

1: Drone technology is not the end-all of military prowess. The Russian military didn't have trouble with Georgia because Georgia had drones, they had trouble with Georgia because Russia sold them the latest and greatest Russian SAM systems a few years earlier.

2: Since when has technological inferiority hampered the Russian military? Reliability, versatility, and quantity are the name of the game in the Motherland.

My Mosin from 1944 that shoots 70-year-old ammo and still hit a target from a mile can attest to the functionality of Soviet/Russian designs.

Except that your Mosin is a German design.


Or was that French? I believe the sniper scope was German in any event.
 
2012-08-07 12:22:58 PM
Moscow does not pose a major military threat to any country that isn't its immediate neighbor.

Um, you are aware Russia has nukes, right? With very large, very advanced countermeasure defeating multiple warhead intercontinental launchers, right?
 
2012-08-07 12:23:46 PM
mimg.ugo.com


He is the nuclear deterrent of the 21st Century.
 
2012-08-07 12:24:40 PM

mciann: Um, you are aware Russia has nukes, right?


Yeah, but he said MOSCOW--not Russia.

Man, he trolled you.

/trying to start some internet shiat
 
2012-08-07 12:24:43 PM
Now I see why Romney says Russia is our greatest threat. If we don't watch out, Russian drones will be crashing all over the world.
 
2012-08-07 12:27:39 PM
www.mltimelines.net
Full artificial tentacle articulation since the 70s, but clumsy on a few rudder actuators today? What the frack Russia where did the smart go?
 
2012-08-07 12:28:23 PM
Why don't they nicely ask Iran for a look at the one they got from us?
 
2012-08-07 12:32:31 PM
Russian military cameramen need work.

/and a tripod
 
2012-08-07 12:32:40 PM
ooooooooOOOOOOOOOHHHH... WHOAAA-OH.... BAAWWWWWW.... DERN BLAME IT!!!

media.idahostatesman.com
 
2012-08-07 12:34:50 PM
That made me giggle...

\condolences
 
2012-08-07 12:35:33 PM

Nil Tu Aris: Except that your Mosin is a German design.


Nil Tu Aris: Or was that French? I believe the sniper scope was German in any event.


Sergei Ivanovich Mosin was most definitely Russian. Léon Nagant (a Belgian) was responsible for the design of the magazine (and more specifically the interrupter mechanism to prevent rim-lock).
 
2012-08-07 12:37:58 PM
I find this hard to believe, their Buran space shuttle, though largely a knock-off of America's, performed a completely automated, unmanned launch, orbits, and landing - which I find incredibly impressive.
 
2012-08-07 12:39:10 PM

ScreamingLemur46: Nem Wan: Unmanned orbital spaceplane makes runway landing:
USSR: 1988
USA: 2010

Came here to mention Buran and I see it has already been covered. I think they'll figure drones out quickly enough.


dang it I searched for "shuttle", instead of "buran". Sorry to repeat everyone else's point...
 
2012-08-07 12:43:23 PM
The US intentially distributes examples of how mistake-ridden, stupid and weak aspects of the military is. You are here by ordered to believe the psyop.
 
2012-08-07 12:44:14 PM

Heinrich von Eckardt: Disagree. The Russians have some pretty awsome shiat.


Impressed, amused and mildly paranoid.

Thanks
 
2012-08-07 12:45:23 PM
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2012-08-07 12:07:25 PM


midigod: Fubini: Desert Storm showed pretty conclusively that masses of low-tech troops simply cannot compete with a high-tech war machine.

The U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have shown the exact opposite, except they don't even need masses of troops. All they need is patience and persistence.

No, actually they showed the same thing. Every time we encountered a mass of low tech troops, they got their ass kicked. It was just the occupation that sucked balls. What we learned post invasions was "It's not worth occupying, just bomb it flat, declare victory, go home."


Even the Chinese have been changing their military doctrine or strategy after they saw what happens when you use Warsaw pact arms against state of the art Western technology in Desert Storm. Much of their stuff is now closely mirroring US design and technology - from jeeps to helmets.
 
2012-08-07 12:46:13 PM
I'm sure their weaponized bear technology is years ahead of ours.
 
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