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(The Daily Beast)   What does billionaire Sheldon Adelson want from Romney in exchange for his financial support? Why, the release of a convicted Israeli spy, that's what   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 319
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2012-08-07 01:29:13 AM  

Fart_Machine: Let me guess. I'm an anti-Semite now for mocking your precious blog.


1) It's not my blog.

2) the info is valid and you've made no attempt to refute it

3) the info in this blog is out there in other formats.

4) Whaahh wahhhh whaaaah victimhood is as pathetic from you as it is from the right wingers who insist "oh now you're going to call me racist" every time they criticize Obama.

5) YOU are the one who jumped solely on the name of the blog as your reason for dismissing it outright. The word "zion" put you into a tizzy, princess and now you're claiming it didn't? Lame.

http://cifwatch.com/2011/03/14/palestinian-propaganda-map-deconstruct e d/
http://www.inquisitr.com/275656/new-york-city-israel-palestine-ads-an g er-critics/
 
2012-08-07 01:34:35 AM  

Diablo Snowblind: Every president since CARTER has been lobbied hard to release Pollard, and every single president looked at his file and despite the lobbying refused to release him. This includes quite a few serious friends of Israel.

The conclusion is that, whatever Pollard did, it was some seriously bad shiat.


This is kinda intriguing. So what the hell, break out the Google, first stop at Wikipedia...



Pollard was an intelligent and sensitive child, who was frequently a victim of bullying. He grew up with what he describes as a "racial obligation" to Israel,[9] and says of his troubled childhood, "I got beaten up, but at least I knew the Israelis would beat up a couple Arab countries and maybe I would feel better.


and I'm facepalming before I get past the first goddamn section.
 
2012-08-07 01:37:42 AM  
Anyone ever see the documentary on the construction of the Venetian Hotel and Casino in Vegas? Adelson is a class A a**hole. I don't think I ever saw a less likable person on TV in my years of sedentary observation.

//J.R. Ewing was fictional
 
2012-08-07 01:37:53 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: 5) YOU are the one who jumped solely on the name of the blog as your reason for dismissing it outright. The word "zion" put you into a tizzy, princess and now you're claiming it didn't? Lame.


Please quote me where I stated an aversion to using the word "zion"? You're projecting so much it looks like IMAX.

What I said was...

Fart_Machine: Well if you can't trust some pro-Israeli blog then who can you trust?


So are you denying it's a pro-Israeli blog? Put your tampon back in.

Bill_Wick's_Friend: 2) the info is valid and you've made no attempt to refute it


Actually I responded to the author's claim. Reading is hard I know.
 
2012-08-07 01:39:21 AM  
What Pollard did isn't as damaging as what he represents. The fact is Israel wants desperately to make him a role model to recruit future generations of loyal foreign intelligence assets. Hell, any country would jump at that opportunity. By reframing his crimes as being motivated by cultural conscience as opposed to neurotic egomania they're angling to promote him as a hero to Jewish-Americans and insert the notion of espionage against the United States as a victimless offense. For a democracy like ours this is a nightmare.

Jonathan Pollard gets paroled in 2015, and likely deported to a hero's welcome in Israel. At that point the United States is faced with two possibilities: profiling Jewish-Americans with security clearances (oy, that won't look good) or accepting the reality of a perpetually compromised intelligence network.
 
2012-08-07 01:39:57 AM  

NewportBarGuy: The financial collapse came SOOOOO close to wiping him out. SOOOOOOOOOOOOO close. He lost more than anyone, on paper. He made it all back and then some.

F*ck you, Wall St.!


Excuse you? His money comes from casinos in Macau, which is only technically a Chinese territory island, but is really run by the Korean mob financed with money he provides. Imagine the Bahamas if the Italians ran it.

He was getting his money back in spades (get it? Casino? SPADES!) regardless. When I was in HK in 199-2003 Macau was the "weekend trip", especially if you had to get another 3 month tourist visa for HK. It's Vegas for rich people in Hong Kong. He can't lose money.
 
2012-08-07 01:41:42 AM  

Amos Quito: Funny, but I don't see the leaders South Africa, Pakistan, China, or Pakistani or Chinese Americans endlessly lobbying for his release.


You DO know that the South Africa that existed in the 80s is VERY different than the South Africa of today, right? Likewise with the USSR/Russia (at least that's what they want us to think)?

Apartheid South Africa and Israel had an interesting relationship.

Also:

Four past directors of Naval Intelligence, William Studeman, Sumner Shapiro, John L. Butts, and Thomas Brooks, authored a response to the talk of clemency and what they termed "the myths that have arisen from this clever public relations campaign... aimed at transforming Pollard from greedy, arrogant betrayer of the American national trust into Pollard, committed Israeli patriot".[81] They asserted that Pollard passed information to three other countries before engaging in espionage activity on behalf of Israel, and that he had offered his services to a fourth country while he was spying for Israel.[82]

We... feel obligated to go on record with the facts regarding Pollard in order to dispel the myths that have arisen from this clever public relations campaign... aimed at transforming Pollard from greedy, arrogant betrayer of the American national trust into Pollard, committed Israeli patriot

Pollard pleaded guilty and therefore never was publicly tried. Thus, the American people never came to know that he offered classified information to three other countries before working for the Israelis and that he offered his services to a fourth country while he was spying for Israel. They also never came to understand that he was being highly paid for his services....

Pollard and his apologists argue he turned over to the Israelis information they were being denied that was critical to their security. The fact is, however, Pollard had no way of knowing what the Israeli government was already receiving by way of official intelligence exchange agreements.... Some of the data he compromised had nothing to do with Israeli security or even with the Middle East. He betrayed worldwide intelligence data, including sources and methods developed at significant cost to the U.S. taxpayer. As a result of his perfidy, some of those sources are lost forever

... Another claim Pollard made is that the U.S. government reneged on its bargain not to seek the life sentence. What is not heard is that Pollard's part of the bargain was to cooperate fully in an assessment of the damage he had done and to refrain from talking to the press prior to the completion of his sentencing. He blatantly and contemptuously failed to live up to either part of the plea agreement.... It was this coupled with the magnitude and consequences of his criminal actions that resulted in the judge imposing a life sentence.... The appellate court subsequently upheld the life sentence.

If, as Pollard and his supporters claim, he has "suffered enough" for his crimes, he is free to apply for parole as the American judicial system provides. In his arrogance, he has refused to do so, but insists on being granted clemency or a pardon.

Admiral Shapiro, himself Jewish, stated that he was troubled by the support of Jewish organizations for Pollard: "We work so hard to establish ourselves and to get where we are, and to have somebody screw it up... and then to have Jewish organizations line up behind this guy and try to make him out a hero of the Jewish people, it bothers the hell out of me"
.[16]
 
2012-08-07 01:41:54 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-07 01:43:44 AM  

Lsherm: Imagine the Bahamas if the Italians ran it.


A lot of exploited Russian prostitutes, and men in poorly cut suits?
 
2012-08-07 01:44:37 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: http://cifwatch.com/2011/03/14/palestinian-propaganda-map-deconstruct e d/
http://www.inquisitr.com/275656/new-york-city-israel-palestine-ads-an g er-critics/


Hay guiz I can post blogs too.
 
2012-08-07 01:45:07 AM  

wedun: [i.imgur.com image 850x112]


Well you've burned me good. Congratulations, and I mean that since it's apparent that English is not your native language....
 
2012-08-07 01:47:55 AM  

Darth Macho: Jonathan Pollard gets paroled in 2015, and likely deported to a hero's welcome in Israel.


Pollard has been eligible for parole for around a decade now. He has chosen not to apply.
 
2012-08-07 01:52:34 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Darth Macho: Jonathan Pollard gets paroled in 2015, and likely deported to a hero's welcome in Israel.

Pollard has been eligible for parole for around a decade now. He has chosen not to apply.


Yeah but he's automatically parolled in 2015. Some kind of 1980's law mandating a 30-year limit.
 
2012-08-07 01:57:15 AM  

Darth Macho: Yeah but he's automatically parolled in 2015. Some kind of 1980's law mandating a 30-year limit.


Best of luck to him then, since odds are he's staying in prison in order to prevent assassination. I personally just think the guy was a gullible rube, but you don't prevent your own release from prison unless other people are actively looking to make you dig your own grave.
 
2012-08-07 01:57:19 AM  
Meanwhile, President Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, the billionaire tax dodge, for the price of one nice gold blowjob from Marc's wife, Denise Rich (seen here).

www.upsidetrader.com
 
2012-08-07 02:04:25 AM  

BitwiseShift: Just goes to show, the browner you are, the poorer you are. That is one pasty white guy with no programming skills.

[www.thedailybeast.com image 503x335]


Ain't no pastier than Bill Gates. Or Steve Jobs.

Now Obama's mom is one pasty white chick with no programming skillz.
 
2012-08-07 02:05:43 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Darth Macho: Yeah but he's automatically parolled in 2015. Some kind of 1980's law mandating a 30-year limit.

Best of luck to him then, since odds are he's staying in prison in order to prevent assassination. I personally just think the guy was a gullible rube, but you don't prevent your own release from prison unless other people are actively looking to make you dig your own grave.


I certainly don't know why he didn't apply for parole, but that same wiki page says that if he applies and fails, he can't apply again for 15 years.

So if he thinks he's going to be denied, and there is an automatic parole in 2015, perhaps after 2000, he best not apply, assuming the failure could mess up the 2015 release date. And I have no idea, not a clue and my explanation that a failure in say 2005 would mess up an automatic parole in 2015 seems pretty weak.

He was eligible in 1995, so why not apply between 1995 and 2000? Perhaps he figured that 1995 was too early, only 8 years later and they would turn him down and thus make him wait 15 more years. So he has to pick a time when it's not too early and not too late.

But honestly, why he didn't apply in say, 1997, after doing 10 years? Beats me.

He made his bed, so he can sleep in it.
 
2012-08-07 02:08:21 AM  
Adelson: "I just spent a hundred million on this presidency and all I got was this empty shirt."

i90.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-07 02:11:34 AM  

SevenizGud: Meanwhile, President Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, the billionaire tax dodge, for the price of one nice gold blowjob from Marc's wife, Denise Rich (seen here).

[www.upsidetrader.com image 241x250]


Hey, at least he wasn't a spy. Heck, I might do the same if it's just a little tax dodging. I mean, who hasn't dodged a few taxes every now and again?
 
2012-08-07 02:12:52 AM  
Sheldon Adelson giving a deposition and acting like a six year old Link
 
2012-08-07 02:14:10 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Darth Macho: Yeah but he's automatically parolled in 2015. Some kind of 1980's law mandating a 30-year limit.

Best of luck to him then, since odds are he's staying in prison in order to prevent assassination. I personally just think the guy was a gullible rube, but you don't prevent your own release from prison unless other people are actively looking to make you dig your own grave.


If you're self-righteous enough to sell secrets to Apartheid-era South Africa then cry 'I did it for injustice against Israel' you might be unwilling to apply for parole on the basis of not wanting to admit you were wrong. That and he probably doesn't want to hand over his Swiss bank accounts. No doubt Israel's paid well for his 30 years of good behavior.

Pollard has no American citizenship anymore. It would take an Executive Order to keep him incarcerated past 2015. I doubt Obama would be willing to go that far to piss off Israel.
 
2012-08-07 02:14:50 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Anyone ever see the documentary on the construction of the Venetian Hotel and Casino in Vegas? Adelson is a class A a**hole. I don't think I ever saw a less likable person on TV in my years of sedentary observation.

//J.R. Ewing was fictional


I didn't . . . I did see the piece Rachel Maddow did on Adelson's casino business in China. . . and the possible illegal activity he heavily participated in. He seems like an arse but quite possibly more likeable than Mitt Rmoney (by just a hair).
 
2012-08-07 02:15:49 AM  

Tired_of_the_BS: /iirc when President Clinton floated the idea of deporting Pollard to Israel, the Heads of the CIA, NSA, and... (sorry I forgot who the other players were), all told him they'd resign, followed be many many more down the food chain.



I bet you heard that from a FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: email
 
2012-08-07 02:22:13 AM  

LordJiro: Chimperror2: Oh come one. Just one? and a spy for an ally?

Heck, Obama sold his soul for the release of all of Al Qaeda at Guantanamo. Thank God cooler heads prevailed. I doubt that money is coming in again. Or may be it is. Is there still a "Close Guantanamo" contingent of Democrat contributors? Where is Cindy Sheehan? Is she in a secret prison somewhere until Republicans win in November?

'Moving to an American maximum security prison to await an actual trial' is now 'release'?


Uhh, yes, if the requirement is the standard of evidence of for a criminal trial, However, POW, is not same standard. Military tribunals using the rules of war are much preferred for keeping terrorists and enemy combatants in custody.

Putting them in a courthouse where they can be martyr'd along with hundreds of Americans is not, however, a good idea.
 
2012-08-07 02:28:04 AM  

RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 678x901]
[i.imgur.com image 661x227]

source

This is from "Justice for Jonathan Pollard". I cannot tell how accurate it is, but it does provide the alternative point of view. If this is accurate, I'd say it's time to let him go.


It's probably been said, but who farking cares. Free him if it's the right thing to do, but don't try to buy an election with it.
 
2012-08-07 02:30:30 AM  

Chimperror2: LordJiro: Chimperror2: Oh come one. Just one? and a spy for an ally?

Heck, Obama sold his soul for the release of all of Al Qaeda at Guantanamo. Thank God cooler heads prevailed. I doubt that money is coming in again. Or may be it is. Is there still a "Close Guantanamo" contingent of Democrat contributors? Where is Cindy Sheehan? Is she in a secret prison somewhere until Republicans win in November?

'Moving to an American maximum security prison to await an actual trial' is now 'release'?

Uhh, yes, if the requirement is the standard of evidence of for a criminal trial, However, POW, is not same standard. Military tribunals using the rules of war are much preferred for keeping terrorists and enemy combatants in custody.

Putting them in a courthouse where they can be martyr'd along with hundreds of Americans is not, however, a good idea.


You do realize Muslims, even members of al-Qaeda, don't actually excrete explosives, right? How the fark do you think they'd be 'martyr'd' along with hundreds of Americans? Are you really that scared of a dying terrorist group?
 
2012-08-07 02:36:35 AM  

miltonbabbitt: It's probably been said, but who farking cares. Free him if it's the right thing to do, but don't try to buy an election with it.


Well you're absolutely right about that.

My understanding since I read the same junk as everyone else is that Adelson has problems in Macau, so I am with whomever it was that suggests that his real motive for donating the cash and Pollard is a smokescreen.
 
2012-08-07 02:41:40 AM  

LordJiro: Chimperror2: LordJiro: Chimperror2: Oh come one. Just one? and a spy for an ally?

Heck, Obama sold his soul for the release of all of Al Qaeda at Guantanamo. Thank God cooler heads prevailed. I doubt that money is coming in again. Or may be it is. Is there still a "Close Guantanamo" contingent of Democrat contributors? Where is Cindy Sheehan? Is she in a secret prison somewhere until Republicans win in November?

'Moving to an American maximum security prison to await an actual trial' is now 'release'?

Uhh, yes, if the requirement is the standard of evidence of for a criminal trial, However, POW, is not same standard. Military tribunals using the rules of war are much preferred for keeping terrorists and enemy combatants in custody.

Putting them in a courthouse where they can be martyr'd along with hundreds of Americans is not, however, a good idea.

You do realize Muslims, even members of al-Qaeda, don't actually excrete explosives, right? How the fark do you think they'd be 'martyr'd' along with hundreds of Americans? Are you really that scared of a dying terrorist group?


The court house would simply be a target. Why give it to them? The seem content with some OCD desire to attack with planes. Why divert them from that?

You need to send your last question to Wisconsin and the SPLC.
 
2012-08-07 02:44:38 AM  
Who gives a shiat what Pollard's motivations for spying for Israel were, if he did it for money or out of a sense of loyalty to Israel? He was born an American citizen, not an Israeli one. He's a traitor in the purest sense. I say let the farker rot.
 
2012-08-07 02:46:55 AM  

Chimperror2: Uhh, yes, if the requirement is the standard of evidence of for a criminal trial, However, POW, is not same standard. Military tribunals using the rules of war are much preferred for keeping terrorists and enemy combatants in custody.


Wouldn't we have to be at war, and not using war as a metaphor like the war on drugs, and also wouldn't the prisoners be considered legal combatants for POW status to apply (congress hasn't actually declared war on anyone since 9/11)? Plus, if they were POW's, wouldn't we then be guilty of violating the Geneva convention, especially in regards to torture because of our treatment of said legal combatants? There is a good reason why the Bush administration made sure not to consider the prisoners POW's, because they would then have a lot to answer to.

Putting them in a courthouse where they can be martyr'd along with hundreds of Americans is not, however, a good idea.

I'm pretty sure whatever martyr status they were going to gain has already been achieved by holding prisoners in Gitmo for a decade. Putting them on trial now would just serve the truth, and separate the guilty from the innocent. It's only third world countries who would undermine that critical process of justice because of some nebulous threat of martyrdom.
 
2012-08-07 02:49:20 AM  

Coelacanth: Sheldon Adelson giving a deposition and acting like a six year old Link


That is freakin' hilarious. The pissing contest between the lawyers is ridiculous.
 
2012-08-07 02:50:05 AM  

Chimperror2: Putting them in a courthouse where they can be martyr'd along with hundreds of Americans is not, however, a good idea.



Is there ever a second of the day when you don't live in fear of something?
 
2012-08-07 02:54:08 AM  

Chimperror2: The court house would simply be a target. Why give it to them? The seem content with some OCD desire to attack with planes. Why divert them from that?


Huh? Al-Qaeda only used planes as a weapon once on 9/11, and that was because we've left such a gaping hole in airport security for them to exploit. If anything they've shown a preponderance for blowing up trains. I really don't care If they want to waste explosives on courthouses, there are more high density targets they could have blown up and killed more people instead if they had the manpower to do so.
 
2012-08-07 02:56:25 AM  

ox45tallboy: Coelacanth: Sheldon Adelson giving a deposition and acting like a six year old Link

That is freakin' hilarious. The pissing contest between the lawyers is ridiculous.


That was nothing. I used to work for that old coot at the Palazzo in Las Vegas. It was the worst casino I've ever worked at. I actually saw Adelson fire a security officer for walking up to him and thanking him for his job.
 
2012-08-07 02:59:21 AM  

intelligent comment below: Chimperror2: Putting them in a courthouse where they can be martyr'd along with hundreds of Americans is not, however, a good idea.


Is there ever a second of the day when you don't live in fear of something?


He doesn't trust the American justice system. He prefers the Israeli justice system, I assume.
 
2012-08-07 03:00:16 AM  
Hey, Adelson, I have something for you, you farking traitor. (It is a fist).
 
2012-08-07 03:00:27 AM  

Gwyrddu: Chimperror2: However, POW, is not same standard. Military tribunals using the rules of war are much preferred for keeping terrorists and enemy combatants in custody.

Wouldn't we have to be at war, and not using war as a metaphor like the war on drugs, and also wouldn't the prisoners be considered legal combatants for POW status to apply (congress hasn't actually declared war on anyone since 9/11)? Plus, if they were POW's, wouldn't we then be guilty of violating the Geneva convention, especially in regards to torture because of our treatment of said legal combatants? There is a good reason why the Bush administration made sure not to consider the prisoners POW's, because they would then have a lot to answer to.

No. On the battlefield we can treat them as we find them. Conferring the title Unlawful Enemy combatant and then holding them according to the UCMJ is what is required of POWs (which is a higher standard than unlawful enemy combatant). We actually exceed Geneva convention standards. What they are NOT is violent criminals. They are terrorists and illegal soldiers. The criminal justice system is not equipped to treat them as such and it would be a mockery to force it to do so.


Putting them in a courthouse where they can be martyr'd along with hundreds of Americans is not, however, a good idea.

I'm pretty sure whatever martyr status they were going to gain has already been achieved by holding prisoners in Gitmo for a decade. Putting them on trial now would just serve the truth, and separate the guilty from the innocent. It's only third world countries who would undermine that critical process of justice because of some nebulous threat of martyrdom.


There is no justice to be served. Ever they violated the code of arms (which is military) or they didn't. There is no civilian crime to try them for. Forcing that square peg into a round hole is not a bright or well thought out plan. They can be held indefinitely until the conflict is over. Quite frankly, they should be returned to the Afghan government after their incarceration.
 
2012-08-07 03:03:21 AM  

Chimperror2: Gwyrddu: Chimperror2: However, POW, is not same standard. Military tribunals using the rules of war are much preferred for keeping terrorists and enemy combatants in custody.

Wouldn't we have to be at war, and not using war as a metaphor like the war on drugs, and also wouldn't the prisoners be considered legal combatants for POW status to apply (congress hasn't actually declared war on anyone since 9/11)? Plus, if they were POW's, wouldn't we then be guilty of violating the Geneva convention, especially in regards to torture because of our treatment of said legal combatants? There is a good reason why the Bush administration made sure not to consider the prisoners POW's, because they would then have a lot to answer to.

No. On the battlefield we can treat them as we find them. Conferring the title Unlawful Enemy combatant and then holding them according to the UCMJ is what is required of POWs (which is a higher standard than unlawful enemy combatant). We actually exceed Geneva convention standards. What they are NOT is violent criminals. They are terrorists and illegal soldiers. The criminal justice system is not equipped to treat them as such and it would be a mockery to force it to do so.


Putting them in a courthouse where they can be martyr'd along with hundreds of Americans is not, however, a good idea.

I'm pretty sure whatever martyr status they were going to gain has already been achieved by holding prisoners in Gitmo for a decade. Putting them on trial now would just serve the truth, and separate the guilty from the innocent. It's only third world countries who would undermine that critical process of justice because of some nebulous threat of martyrdom.

There is no justice to be served. Ever they violated the code of arms (which is military) or they didn't. There is no civilian crime to try them for. Forcing that square peg into a round hole is not a bright or well thought out plan. They can be held indefinitely until the conflict is over. ...


That is a lot of words for "I am a giant pussy that doesn't like the US".
 
2012-08-07 03:04:09 AM  

Chimperror2: LordJiro: Chimperror2: LordJiro: Chimperror2: Oh come one. Just one? and a spy for an ally?

Heck, Obama sold his soul for the release of all of Al Qaeda at Guantanamo. Thank God cooler heads prevailed. I doubt that money is coming in again. Or may be it is. Is there still a "Close Guantanamo" contingent of Democrat contributors? Where is Cindy Sheehan? Is she in a secret prison somewhere until Republicans win in November?

'Moving to an American maximum security prison to await an actual trial' is now 'release'?

Uhh, yes, if the requirement is the standard of evidence of for a criminal trial, However, POW, is not same standard. Military tribunals using the rules of war are much preferred for keeping terrorists and enemy combatants in custody.

Putting them in a courthouse where they can be martyr'd along with hundreds of Americans is not, however, a good idea.

You do realize Muslims, even members of al-Qaeda, don't actually excrete explosives, right? How the fark do you think they'd be 'martyr'd' along with hundreds of Americans? Are you really that scared of a dying terrorist group?

The court house would simply be a target. Why give it to them? The seem content with some OCD desire to attack with planes. Why divert them from that?

You need to send your last question to Wisconsin and the SPLC.


Because after a decade of killing al-Qaeda's leadership, including Osama, I'm SURE they're in a position to plan and carry out a major terrorist attack on America. Especially considering how paranoid we've gotten since 9/11. And even if they WEREN'T crumbling, the fear shouldn't prevent us from doing the right thing, which is giving them as fair a trial as possible.

Coward.
 
2012-08-07 03:05:18 AM  

Coelacanth: That was nothing. I used to work for that old coot at the Palazzo in Las Vegas. It was the worst casino I've ever worked at. I actually saw Adelson fire a security officer for walking up to him and thanking him for his job.


www.trbimg.com
"That's what the f*cker gets for talkin' to me. Who the f*ck thinks they can walk up to someone like me and speak before they're spoken to? F*ck him."
 
2012-08-07 03:05:21 AM  

LordJiro: Chimperror2: LordJiro: Chimperror2: LordJiro: Chimperror2: Oh come one. Just one? and a spy for an ally?

Heck, Obama sold his soul for the release of all of Al Qaeda at Guantanamo. Thank God cooler heads prevailed. I doubt that money is coming in again. Or may be it is. Is there still a "Close Guantanamo" contingent of Democrat contributors? Where is Cindy Sheehan? Is she in a secret prison somewhere until Republicans win in November?

'Moving to an American maximum security prison to await an actual trial' is now 'release'?

Uhh, yes, if the requirement is the standard of evidence of for a criminal trial, However, POW, is not same standard. Military tribunals using the rules of war are much preferred for keeping terrorists and enemy combatants in custody.

Putting them in a courthouse where they can be martyr'd along with hundreds of Americans is not, however, a good idea.

You do realize Muslims, even members of al-Qaeda, don't actually excrete explosives, right? How the fark do you think they'd be 'martyr'd' along with hundreds of Americans? Are you really that scared of a dying terrorist group?

The court house would simply be a target. Why give it to them? The seem content with some OCD desire to attack with planes. Why divert them from that?

You need to send your last question to Wisconsin and the SPLC.

Because after a decade of killing al-Qaeda's leadership, including Osama, I'm SURE they're in a position to plan and carry out a major terrorist attack on America. Especially considering how paranoid we've gotten since 9/11. And even if they WEREN'T crumbling, the fear shouldn't prevent us from doing the right thing, which is giving them as fair a trial as possible.

Coward.


There might be a monster under his bed. He is shiatting it, no matter what.
 
2012-08-07 03:07:09 AM  

ox45tallboy: Coelacanth: That was nothing. I used to work for that old coot at the Palazzo in Las Vegas. It was the worst casino I've ever worked at. I actually saw Adelson fire a security officer for walking up to him and thanking him for his job.

[www.trbimg.com image 600x400]
"That's what the f*cker gets for talkin' to me. Who the f*ck thinks they can walk up to someone like me and speak before they're spoken to? F*ck him."


I will punch you right in the face, Sheldon.
 
2012-08-07 03:09:17 AM  

Sabyen91: That is a lot of words for "I am a giant pussy that doesn't like the US".


graphics8.nytimes.com
"Whaddya talkin' about? I f*ckin' love the US! What other industrialized country will let you get away with anything you f*ckin' want as long as you have the money? Seriously, I'm about to buy a f*ckin' presidency here! Try that sh*t in Israel!"
 
2012-08-07 03:11:41 AM  

ox45tallboy: Sabyen91: That is a lot of words for "I am a giant pussy that doesn't like the US".

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"Whaddya talkin' about? I f*ckin' love the US! What other industrialized country will let you get away with anything you f*ckin' want as long as you have the money? Seriously, I'm about to buy a f*ckin' presidency here! Try that sh*t in Israel!"


Dammit I love you. It isn't a gay thing, though.
 
2012-08-07 03:13:48 AM  

Sabyen91: I will punch you right in the face, Sheldon.


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"Go ahead and try it. I will buy every f*cking company you try to work for just to fire your ass. Then I'll sell it, then once you're re-hired, I'll buy it back just so I can fire your ass all over again. You don't get it. I'm so f*ckin rich, my fecal matter is worth more than your lifetime earnings. I will break you like the Detroit Lions, you f*ck. Now shut up to me, I'm tired of talkin' to you."
 
2012-08-07 03:15:28 AM  

Sabyen91: Dammit I love you. It isn't a gay thing, though.


i.huffpost.com
"Tell that to your mother, you f*ck."
 
2012-08-07 03:15:37 AM  

ox45tallboy: Sabyen91: I will punch you right in the face, Sheldon.

[photos.lasvegassun.com image 653x428]
"Go ahead and try it. I will buy every f*cking company you try to work for just to fire your ass. Then I'll sell it, then once you're re-hired, I'll buy it back just so I can fire your ass all over again. You don't get it. I'm so f*ckin rich, my fecal matter is worth more than your lifetime earnings. I will break you like the Detroit Lions, you f*ck. Now shut up to me, I'm tired of talkin' to you."


It would be worth it.
 
2012-08-07 03:16:47 AM  

ox45tallboy: Sabyen91: Dammit I love you. It isn't a gay thing, though.

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"Tell that to your mother, you f*ck."


You are a Fark landmark. Everybody should visit you.
 
2012-08-07 03:20:00 AM  

Sabyen91: You are a Fark landmark. Everybody should visit you.


t2.gstatic.com
"Yeah, like your mother. Now quit talking to me before I buy your ISP just to shut down your connection."
 
2012-08-07 03:21:29 AM  
Color me cynical as to how much influence this guy has over Romney, but... who is he going to support if Romney ignores his requests? Obama? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Just cause he wants something doesent mean he is going to get it.
 
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