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(The Daily Beast)   What does billionaire Sheldon Adelson want from Romney in exchange for his financial support? Why, the release of a convicted Israeli spy, that's what   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 319
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2012-08-06 10:19:14 PM

Chimperror2: Oh come one. Just one? and a spy for an ally?

Heck, Obama sold his soul for the release of all of Al Qaeda at Guantanamo. Thank God cooler heads prevailed. I doubt that money is coming in again. Or may be it is. Is there still a "Close Guantanamo" contingent of Democrat contributors? Where is Cindy Sheehan? Is she in a secret prison somewhere until Republicans win in November?


Best part...

forever
 
2012-08-06 10:19:57 PM
So if we can get Jonathan Pollard shanked in his cell, Romney's largest money fountain dries up. Got it.
 
2012-08-06 10:23:43 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: randomjsa: Too bad for him he was spying for Israel and not say... The Soviet Union.

He spied for Israel, who then passed on that information to the Soviets in order to secure free emigration for Russian Jews. Some of the information Pollard gave included the methodology that U.S. subs used to track Soviet subs, our massive electronic and ground-based espionage network, and the entire attack plan (launch orders, targets, etc.) for war with the Soviet Union.

Release him? The only thing that kept him alive was that Israel was the middleman.


I cannot believe that randomjsa has made a statement on a subject without having any understanding it. It can't be I tells ya.
 
2012-08-06 10:26:56 PM

Chimperror2: Oh come one. Just one? and a spy for an ally?

Heck, Obama sold his soul for the release of all of Al Qaeda at Guantanamo. Thank God cooler heads prevailed. I doubt that money is coming in again. Or may be it is. Is there still a "Close Guantanamo" contingent of Democrat contributors? Where is Cindy Sheehan? Is she in a secret prison somewhere until Republicans win in November?


'Moving to an American maximum security prison to await an actual trial' is now 'release'?
 
2012-08-06 10:29:26 PM

theorellior: mrshowrules: BSABSVR: intelligent comment below: MorrisBird: spongeboob: Why are you spelling zionist with an x?

Yeah. I'm not getting this.


Because he's an anti-Semite who hates everyone that isn't a member of the perfect white European race. No, I'm not kidding.

This bears repeating. When engaging Amos Quito, you're engaging a white power douchecanoe.

I've never seen one before. Remarkable plumage.

There are a couple others, they usually emerge in immigration threads to trill their warbling songs of nativist paranoia to each other.


They can be shy and reclusive but can't resist a morsel of Zimmerman/Martin suet.
 
2012-08-06 10:31:00 PM

Barricaded Gunman: So if we can get Jonathan Pollard shanked in his cell, Romney's largest money fountain dries up. Got it.


I seriously doubt that. This is just what Adelson is publicly calling for in return for his $$$.
 
2012-08-06 10:31:15 PM

LordJiro: Chimperror2: Oh come one. Just one? and a spy for an ally?

Heck, Obama sold his soul for the release of all of Al Qaeda at Guantanamo. Thank God cooler heads prevailed. I doubt that money is coming in again. Or may be it is. Is there still a "Close Guantanamo" contingent of Democrat contributors? Where is Cindy Sheehan? Is she in a secret prison somewhere until Republicans win in November?

'Moving to an American maximum security prison to await an actual trial' is now 'release'?


It is if you wet your bed at the mere thought that a terrorist will be imprisoned domestically.
 
2012-08-06 10:33:17 PM
Just goes to show, the browner you are, the poorer you are. That is one pasty white guy with no programming skills.

www.thedailybeast.com
 
2012-08-06 10:42:48 PM

intelligent comment below: Yes, the left loves the Soviet Union. Death camps, mass murder of intellectuals and businessmen, only one political party, massive intelligence network. This actually sounds like a right wingers dream, that's why you are so good at projecting. You're just damn jealous you can't outlaw Democrats and send everyone especially libtards to Siberia.


And... the left defended and continues to defend known and confirmed Soviet spies. That's not up for debate or dispute. It's a fact. Decades of 'wrongfully accused' claims from the left turned out to be nonsense as when the Soviet Union fell mountains of evidence surfaced. There's not even a question now.

So, as stated, its a shame that this person was spying for Israel instead of the Soviet Union, or he'd have a massive crowd of support on the left.
 
2012-08-06 10:50:11 PM

randomjsa: intelligent comment below: Yes, the left loves the Soviet Union. Death camps, mass murder of intellectuals and businessmen, only one political party, massive intelligence network. This actually sounds like a right wingers dream, that's why you are so good at projecting. You're just damn jealous you can't outlaw Democrats and send everyone especially libtards to Siberia.

And... the left defended and continues to defend known and confirmed Soviet spies. That's not up for debate or dispute. It's a fact. Decades of 'wrongfully accused' claims from the left turned out to be nonsense as when the Soviet Union fell mountains of evidence surfaced. There's not even a question now.

So, as stated, its a shame that this person was spying for Israel instead of the Soviet Union, or he'd have a massive crowd of support on the left.


What? I don't remember that from history.

Must be smoking to much dope or not enough. Either way I don't have the right amount in me for that to make sense.
 
2012-08-06 10:51:22 PM

randomjsa: And... the left defended and continues to defend known and confirmed Soviet spies.


And the right continues to defend McCarthy and Oliver North and G. Gordon Liddy and and and and...That's not up for debate or dispute.

OMFG!! It's almost as if assholes exist in all parts of the political spectrum!!
 
2012-08-06 10:51:29 PM

Amos Quito: This man is not some sort of Jewish patriot, working on behalf of Israel. Israel was just the country that ended up buying his info. He was selling to anybody and everybody.


Funny, but I don't see the leaders South Africa, Pakistan, China, or Pakistani or Chinese Americans endlessly lobbying for his release.

I have seen every farking Israeli Prime Minister, and just about every pro-Xionist Jewish organization constantly whining and lobbying to have this POS released.

Why do you suppose that is?


Why wouldn't South Africa, Pakistan, or China try to get a spy released from an American prison? Maybe because they realize that it would be a complete farking waste of time - that any politician who so much as hinted at even listening to such a proposal could kiss his career goodbye.

Now Israel, on the other hand - they're used to us sucking their cock. They figure they just might get the guy sprung and he'll be grateful enough to hand over any other secrets he happens to have squirrelled away.
 
2012-08-06 10:51:35 PM

randomjsa: intelligent comment below: Yes, the left loves the Soviet Union. Death camps, mass murder of intellectuals and businessmen, only one political party, massive intelligence network. This actually sounds like a right wingers dream, that's why you are so good at projecting. You're just damn jealous you can't outlaw Democrats and send everyone especially libtards to Siberia.

And... the left defended and continues to defend known and confirmed Soviet spies. That's not up for debate or dispute. It's a fact. Decades of 'wrongfully accused' claims from the left turned out to be nonsense as when the Soviet Union fell mountains of evidence surfaced. There's not even a question now.

So, as stated, its a shame that this person was spying for Israel instead of the Soviet Union, or he'd have a massive crowd of support on the left.


---------------

Huh? Where and when exactly did "the left" defend known Soviet spies?
 
2012-08-06 10:54:05 PM
i.ytimg.com

//oldie, but goodie
 
2012-08-06 10:56:40 PM

balloot: randomjsa: intelligent comment below: Yes, the left loves the Soviet Union. Death camps, mass murder of intellectuals and businessmen, only one political party, massive intelligence network. This actually sounds like a right wingers dream, that's why you are so good at projecting. You're just damn jealous you can't outlaw Democrats and send everyone especially libtards to Siberia.

And... the left defended and continues to defend known and confirmed Soviet spies. That's not up for debate or dispute. It's a fact. Decades of 'wrongfully accused' claims from the left turned out to be nonsense as when the Soviet Union fell mountains of evidence surfaced. There's not even a question now.

So, as stated, its a shame that this person was spying for Israel instead of the Soviet Union, or he'd have a massive crowd of support on the left.

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Huh? Where and when exactly did "the left" defend known Soviet spies?


His failure in this thread is even impressive by his own amazing standards.
 
2012-08-06 10:59:27 PM
The financial collapse came SOOOOO close to wiping him out. SOOOOOOOOOOOOO close. He lost more than anyone, on paper. He made it all back and then some.

F*ck you, Wall St.!
 
2012-08-06 11:05:00 PM

Harry_Seldon: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

//oldie, but goodie


Did she really pronounce it that way? Oy....
 
2012-08-06 11:06:37 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Harry_Seldon: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

//oldie, but goodie

Did she really pronounce it that way? Oy....


Yes she did. I remember seeing that clip.
 
2012-08-06 11:12:35 PM

mrshowrules: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Harry_Seldon: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

//oldie, but goodie

Did she really pronounce it that way? Oy....

Yes she did. I remember seeing that clip.



Choot-spa!!
 
2012-08-06 11:16:41 PM
There are some fascinating threads in this thread...

/yo, dawg...
 
2012-08-06 11:20:04 PM

Lionel Mandrake: mrshowrules: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Harry_Seldon: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

//oldie, but goodie

Did she really pronounce it that way? Oy....

Yes she did. I remember seeing that clip.


Choot-spa!!


Holy balls. I hope she doesn't have to go to any Chanukah parties.
 
2012-08-06 11:46:35 PM
It's been a while, but iirc Pollard agreed to the harsh sentence as part of a plea deal - his wife only spent a few years in prison instead of life. And, like someone else stated above, iirc he couldn't keep his mouth shut; there's a reason they stuck him in Marion.

Plus, there was a whole can of worms and consequences afterwards. From a National Security standpoint - it cannot be understated the amount of damage he did. The Israelis set up a copying machine(s) in a hotel room/apartment (I forget which) and the SoB wore them out - thousands of pages.

We asked the Israelis to punish his handler; they brought him home, promoted him, and placed him as CO at an airbase; a plum assignment.

The Israelis formally apologized - not for the op, but for getting caught (not unusual) - and stepped forward with a plan to make amends and greatly help the current Administration.... Iran-Contra. Anyone but Reagan and it would have brought them down; burned twice.

I respect the Israeli people - was privileged to spend time in Israel while in the service and have nothing but admiration for their hard work and determination - but I have not always agreed with their government's choices - any more than I have with my own country's choices. Using diplomatic pressure and cash cows to try and broker his release... are actions without honor.

/iirc when President Clinton floated the idea of deporting Pollard to Israel, the Heads of the CIA, NSA, and... (sorry I forgot who the other players were), all told him they'd resign, followed be many many more down the food chain.
//in my alternate reality, the US flew/airlifted Pollard to the US Embassy in Israel 25 years ago and executed him when he walked out the front door.
 
2012-08-06 11:55:08 PM
Good lord... most people would never show their faces on Fark again after that kind of embarrassment. Of course most people on Fark are posting in earnest so that doesn't really apply here.
 
2012-08-06 11:55:53 PM
Those Israeli propaganda armies are going to have their work cut out for them on this bullshiat.
 
2012-08-06 11:56:34 PM

Aarontology: Diogenes: Tigger: Individuals with ties to foreign countries using money to influence US policy making is a major farking problem.

But SCOTUS assured us all that wouldn't be a problem.

Can you imagine if there was someone doing essentially the same thing for someone who was spying for China or Russia or Saudi Arabia?



Might be a problem, if half of the media was Chinese or Saudis.

Divided Loyalty.
 
2012-08-06 11:58:18 PM

randomjsa: And... the left defended and continues to defend known and confirmed Soviet spies. That's not up for debate or dispute. It's a fact. Decades of 'wrongfully accused' claims from the left turned out to be nonsense as when the Soviet Union fell mountains of evidence surfaced. There's not even a question now.

So, as stated, its a shame that this person was spying for Israel instead of the Soviet Union, or he'd have a massive crowd of support on the left.


Who? WHO? Give names, don't just rely on "known" and "confirmed." Give the exact names of the spies and the exact names of the extensive numbers of people who defend them.

Then I'll show you the millions of conservatives who continue to back Bush's decision to invade Iraq, despite the overwhelming proof there were no WMD (this it not even a question now) and it'll just show what a disingenuous partisan hack you are.

And by the way, the "wrongfully accused" claims were perfectly valid back in the 50s and 60s after the damage wrought by Joseph McCarthy, a man so dangerously wrong and vile that his own party threw him under the bus. But I imagine you probably kiss his picture before you go bed, dontcha?
 
2012-08-06 11:58:21 PM

Tired_of_the_BS: The Israelis set up a copying machine(s) in a hotel room/apartment (I forget which) and the SoB wore them out - thousands of pages.


Yeah, really. On one hand you have to seriously wonder about the security procedures of the time, since they found reams of classified information just laying around his home, stashed under mattresses and whatnot, and they just said "Eh, he needed some extra time to compile reports." On the other hand, this guy sent some of the most classified information the U.S. has to offer to a supposed ally that then funneled it along to numerous nations in order to secure Israeli interests.

The fact that he did it for money and was later granted Israeli citizenship is just salt in the wound.
 
2012-08-06 11:59:54 PM
I'm Jewish.

I support Israel's right to exist.

I generally feel that the Palestinians are not faithful negotiators who want peace, as much as they are double-dealers whose true goal is to make everything from the river to the sea "judenrein". The hardliners on the Israeli side are equally as guilty but there ARE moderate voices on the Israeli side, while the Palestinian moderates are virtually non-existent.

All that being said? American Jews who put Israel ahead of America deserve a HARSHER punishment than other spies. Why? Because my loyalties are to MY country, not to Israel. The stereotype of the duplicitous Jew is reinforced in the minds of haters, which tars me with the brush of "not to be trusted" and "not a REAL citizen" in the same way that loyal, third and fourth generation Japanese-Americans were "traitors, not to be trusted" during WWII.

fark Pollard and fark the American Jews like Adelson who support him. Rot in jail, traitor.
 
2012-08-07 12:07:24 AM

Amos Quito: Shvetz: RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 678x901]
[i.imgur.com image 661x227]

Funny, but I don't see the leaders South Africa, Pakistan, China, or Pakistani or Chinese Americans endlessly lobbying for his release.

I have seen every farking Israeli Prime Minister, and just about every pro-Xionist Jewish organization constantly whining and lobbying to have this POS released.

Why do you suppose that is?


/In other words, you're full of shiat


Which part? He did actually do those things. Are you talking about his motives? Do you think he just happened to steal the exact information that would help his wife's business? And that his wife just happened upon it while going about the house? This is purely political. He was given a harsher sentence because of his actions and somewhat because of politics at the time. Israel is pushing to have him released for political reasons as well. Not because they plan to welcome him to Israel as a hero.

The facts of the case are that he tried selling info to Pakistan before he sold info to Israel.
 
2012-08-07 12:10:15 AM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: I generally feel that the Palestinians are not faithful negotiators who want peace, as much as they are double-dealers whose true goal is to make everything from the river to the sea "judenrein". The hardliners on the Israeli side are equally as guilty but there ARE moderate voices on the Israeli side, while the Palestinian moderates are virtually non-existent.


I know right? Look at all of those heartless Palestinian expansionists ghettoizing themselves in walled off compounds and throwing white phosphorous on their children just for their goal of ultimate expansion and the death of the jewish state.

Monsters..

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-07 12:16:36 AM

Phil Moskowitz: I know right? Look at all of those heartless Palestinian expansionists ghettoizing themselves in walled off compounds and throwing white phosphorous on their children just for their goal of ultimate expansion and the death of the jewish state.Monsters..


That map's been debunked so many times here that you should probably feel obligated to post the debunking every time you post that map just to save the thread time.
 
2012-08-07 12:20:39 AM

dericwater: RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 678x901]
[i.imgur.com image 661x227]

source

This is from "Justice for Jonathan Pollard". I cannot tell how accurate it is, but it does provide the alternative point of view. If this is accurate, I'd say it's time to let him go.

If this is all true, I don't see why Obama wouldn't just pardon or parole Pollard and start asking Sheldon for donations and to get off of the Rmoney bus.


Because what Adelson ACTUALLY needs (this is just a smokescreen) is for someone to pardon him/push the justice department to not investigate criminal acts. He bribed some folks in China (?) and that's still illegal here.

I mean okay, it's not JUST a smokescreen, but it is not his real reason for giving Romney so much dough.
 
2012-08-07 12:21:31 AM

RoyBatty: Phil Moskowitz: I know right? Look at all of those heartless Palestinian expansionists ghettoizing themselves in walled off compounds and throwing white phosphorous on their children just for their goal of ultimate expansion and the death of the jewish state.Monsters..

That map's been debunked so many times here that you should probably feel obligated to post the debunking every time you post that map just to save the thread time.


If the "Palestinians" were smart they would just be part of the Israeli state like many of their more prosperous brethren.
 
2012-08-07 12:22:32 AM

Phil Moskowitz: I know right? Look at all of those heartless Palestinian expansionists ghettoizing themselves in walled off compounds and throwing white phosphorous on their children just for their goal of ultimate expansion and the death of the jewish state.


Those maps are old and busted propaganda

Here's a good debunking that shows how those maps are deliberately lying to you - http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2012/07/debunking-map-that-lies.html

The Palestinians could have had much much more by now -- 60 years after the creation of the State of Israel - but they've been focused on war and not on negotiation. They have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

As I said, the Israeli hardliners are just as guilty. I'm sure if such a thing as a Palestinian moderate existed there would be dialogue. But the "Palestinian moderate" is like a unicorn or a mermaid. It's mythical. Or perhaps it gets killed in the night by PA or Hamas gunmen.
 
2012-08-07 12:25:09 AM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: But the "Palestinian moderate" is like a unicorn or a mermaid. It's mythical. Or perhaps it gets killed in the night by PA or Hamas gunmen.


It probably gets enough contraband in the night by the PA or Hamas to feed and support its family.
 
2012-08-07 12:41:55 AM
He's just doing what every other rich person who is involved in politics is doing. They all have their price for the money they give.

He's still a scumbag because no matter what, he supported Gingrich.
 
2012-08-07 12:47:59 AM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2012/07/debunking-map-that-lies.html


Seems legit.
 
2012-08-07 12:57:05 AM

RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 678x901]
[i.imgur.com image 661x227]

source

This is from "Justice for Jonathan Pollard". I cannot tell how accurate it is, but it does provide the alternative point of view. If this is accurate, I'd say it's time to let him go.


I'm perfectly OK with the death penalty for all traitors.
 
2012-08-07 12:58:54 AM

Fart_Machine: Seems legit.


I note you didn't actually address any of the facts in the link.
 
2012-08-07 01:00:17 AM

deadcrickets: RoyBatty: [i.imgur.com image 678x901]
[i.imgur.com image 661x227]

source

This is from "Justice for Jonathan Pollard". I cannot tell how accurate it is, but it does provide the alternative point of view. If this is accurate, I'd say it's time to let him go.

I'm perfectly OK with the death penalty for all traitors.


It might cause a bit of a fuss if we executed every congressional Republican, though.
 
2012-08-07 01:02:23 AM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Fart_Machine: Seems legit.

I note you didn't actually address any of the facts in the link.


Facts are leftist armor.
 
2012-08-07 01:03:04 AM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Fart_Machine: Seems legit.

I note you didn't actually address any of the facts in the link.


Well if you can't trust some pro-Israeli blog then who can you trust?
 
2012-08-07 01:07:35 AM

Fart_Machine: Well if you can't trust some pro-Israeli blog then who can you trust?


I notice you STILL haven't addressed any of the facts in the link.

I can find other links without the word "zion" in their URLs if you're concerned that your computer might get all jewed up. They all have pretty much the same facts with links to accurate history.

I'll start you off, even. How can that first map show "palestinian land vs jewish settlements' when the entire area was British Mandate Palestine and the word "Palestinian" was years away from being coined? Why is it that the second map shows the UN Partition plan and yet that never happened? What event prevented the two-state solution from happening in 1948? Hmmmmm........If only I could read that article instead of complaining about the source.......
 
2012-08-07 01:14:26 AM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Fart_Machine: Well if you can't trust some pro-Israeli blog then who can you trust?

I notice you STILL haven't addressed any of the facts in the link.

I can find other links without the word "zion" in their URLs if you're concerned that your computer might get all jewed up. They all have pretty much the same facts with links to accurate history.

I'll start you off, even. How can that first map show "palestinian land vs jewish settlements' when the entire area was British Mandate Palestine and the word "Palestinian" was years away from being coined? Why is it that the second map shows the UN Partition plan and yet that never happened? What event prevented the two-state solution from happening in 1948? Hmmmmm........If only I could read that article instead of complaining about the source.......


According to your blogger it doesn't matter who was settled on the land only that because it wasn't owned in the western sense that it would automatically default to Israel. But he has a blog so he must be right. So does the Time Cube guy.
 
2012-08-07 01:14:29 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Holy balls. I hope she doesn't have to go to any Chanukah parties.


That of course being pronounced cha-nuke-ah parties.
 
2012-08-07 01:16:12 AM

Phil Moskowitz: Monsters..


How much of that was habitable in 1947?
 
2012-08-07 01:17:35 AM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: I can find other links without the word "zion" in their URLs if you're concerned that your computer might get all jewed up.


Let me guess. I'm an anti-Semite now for mocking your precious blog. Best part forever.
 
2012-08-07 01:19:43 AM
Every president since CARTER has been lobbied hard to release Pollard, and every single president looked at his file and despite the lobbying refused to release him. This includes quite a few serious friends of Israel.

The conclusion is that, whatever Pollard did, it was some seriously bad shiat.
 
2012-08-07 01:21:16 AM

Fart_Machine: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Fart_Machine: Seems legit.

I note you didn't actually address any of the facts in the link.

Well if you can't trust some pro-Israeli blog then who can you trust?


Open the image of the map in Chrome. Open another window to google image search. Drag the map into the GIS search box.

Find all the links you want, both pro and con. Decide for yourself.
 
2012-08-07 01:23:34 AM

Kurmudgeon: How much of that was habitable in 1947?


Unless there was nuclear weapon explosion I don't know about, I'm pretty sure all of it was habitable. It really doesn't take much to build a house, and there isn't anything inherently toxic to life in Israel.
 
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