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2012-08-06 03:58:42 PM
Pregnancy tests are pass/fail? isn't that subjective to the outcome the person taking the test wants?
 
2012-08-06 04:08:20 PM
If her last exam had been an oral she might not be in this position
 
2012-08-06 04:26:21 PM
They didn't think to maybe check with a lawyer?
 
2012-08-06 04:29:45 PM
In a Louisiana public school, female students who are suspected of being pregnant are told that they must take a pregnancy test.

Oh, you're right farked.
 
2012-08-06 04:37:50 PM
Do they get bonus marks if their teacher is the father?
 
2012-08-06 04:52:24 PM
So the girls who are pregnant have to leave school, but the boys that knocked them up just keep truckin' along? OOOOOOOOKKKKKK....makes total sense!
 
2012-08-06 05:09:20 PM
Well that's going to make gossip a whole lot more petty and vindictive.

"I hate her. Let's tell the teacher she's pregnant"
 
2012-08-06 05:19:04 PM
I kinda see the school board's position here, pregnancy is contagious after all...
 
2012-08-06 05:29:44 PM
The policy's complete disregard for Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, the federal law that prohibits sex discrimination in federally funded education programs and activities, is astonishing

How does it violate Title IX? They'd presumably kick out a pregnant male student as well, right?
 
2012-08-06 05:36:32 PM
B-b-b-ut vouchers! School choice!

Stay classy, Bobby Jindal.
 
2012-08-06 06:19:29 PM
I'm not even a lawyer and I could handle this in court.
 
2012-08-06 06:23:49 PM
Not sure how much ground ACLU will have to stand on. Although I completely agree with the ACLU's opinion on this, ACLU lost a similar lawsuit for a charter school that was refusing to accomodate a student with a physical disability.

There's basically a ginormous loophole that allows charterschools to discriminate like this if they make the argument that they can't accomodate or don't staff for disabilities (this school in LA could say that they don't have a trained nurse on staff for example).
 
2012-08-06 06:24:03 PM
FTA: Under school policy, those who are pregnant or refuse to take the test are kicked out and forced to undergo home schooling


Homeschool or be incarcerated in a system like that thar down in Lousyanna?

Tough choice.

/I'd fake a false-positive
 
2012-08-06 06:25:43 PM
Doesn't matter. They are screwed, pregnant or not, as they are still in Louisiana.
 
2012-08-06 06:26:08 PM
I'm told this law has been on the books since 1972! What the hell is wrong with parents in Louisiana? I don't have any daughters, but if I DID I damn sure would not stand for any school telling her she had to take a pregnancy test, and God help them if they tried to kick my child out of school for getting pregnant, especially if the father of her child didn't get sent home too! I just don't know how anyone can accept a school district making life altering decisions for their child, and the decision to require a child already facing an unwanted, early life pregnancy to home school is certainly an attempt to insure their life is even more difficult. And of course, these same nosy jerks would be the first to be outraged if the student opted to terminate the pregnancy so that she can stay in school!
 
2012-08-06 06:26:08 PM

Endive Wombat: So the girls who are pregnant have to leave school, but the boys that knocked them up just keep truckin' along? OOOOOOOOKKKKKK....makes total sense!


Well that's what they get for having wombs, the stupid tramps!
 
2012-08-06 06:27:56 PM

Endive Wombat: So the girls who are pregnant have to leave school, but the boys that knocked them up just keep truckin' along? OOOOOOOOKKKKKK....makes total sense!


Gotta teach boys early that they have no skin in the get-a-girl-pregnant-unexpectedly game. Unless she wants an abortion. Then he has to stand up and say no, cause that's the good Christian thing to do.

/snark

Out of curiosity, does the article mention anything about what the boys who get these girls pregnant think of this, or is it just focused on the girls?
 
2012-08-06 06:29:48 PM

Endive Wombat: So the girls who are pregnant have to leave school, but the boys that knocked them up just keep truckin' along? OOOOOOOOKKKKKK....makes total sense!


You know the US doesn't blame men for things like these. Why else do we rarely talk about rapists and mostly just blame the victim?
 
2012-08-06 06:31:48 PM

Teresaol31: I'm told this law has been on the books since 1972! What the hell is wrong with parents in Louisiana? I don't have any daughters, but if I DID I damn sure would not stand for any school telling her she had to take a pregnancy test, and God help them if they tried to kick my child out of school for getting pregnant, especially if the father of her child didn't get sent home too! I just don't know how anyone can accept a school district making life altering decisions for their child, and the decision to require a child already facing an unwanted, early life pregnancy to home school is certainly an attempt to insure their life is even more difficult. And of course, these same nosy jerks would be the first to be outraged if the student opted to terminate the pregnancy so that she can stay in school!


Think about this too: what if there is no one that can stay home to home school them? I've known several people who home schooled their children, and it is full-time work. It requires a parent that can stay home to do it. What if both parents work or if the girl comes from a single-parent home? What does she do then?
 
2012-08-06 06:34:12 PM
That would suck to be suspected of being pregnant, but then it turns out that you're just really fat.
 
2012-08-06 06:34:20 PM

More fun with this school's policy manual:

Students at a public school are expected to show respect for themselves and for others in their relationships. Public displays of affection are not permitted at Delhi Charter School and show disdain for good taste.

Public displays of affection include, but are not limited to, holding hands on school premises, hugging, kissing, leaning against each other, and sitting in each other's laps. It is understood that small children may engage in such behaviors as hand-holding and hugging without sexual connotation. The Student Handbook will address the above actions with other students, and it is expected that a breif discussion will constitute warning. Such actions are inappropriate and may result in suspension or even recommendation for expulsion if such warnings are not heeded.
 
2012-08-06 06:37:09 PM
But the ACLU is just made up of a bunch of liberal wingnuts
 
2012-08-06 06:38:24 PM

serial_crusher: The policy's complete disregard for Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, the federal law that prohibits sex discrimination in federally funded education programs and activities, is astonishing

How does it violate Title IX? They'd presumably kick out a pregnant male student as well, right?


From TFA, Title IX doesn't allow the exclusion of students "on the basis of such student's pregnancy, childbirth, false pregnancy, termination of pregnancy or recovery therefrom." Male or female.
 
2012-08-06 06:38:30 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: That would suck to be suspected of being pregnant, but then it turns out that you're just really fat.


Won't she just be surprised when she gives birth to the adorable little lump of fat?
 
2012-08-06 06:39:56 PM
Since a lot of you suck at reading comprehension:

FTFA: Title IX and its regulations explicitly mandate that schools cannot exclude any student from an education program or activity, "including any class or extracurricular activity, on the basis of such student's pregnancy, childbirth, false pregnancy, termination of pregnancy or recovery therefrom."

If you don't trust the ACLU or TFA, you can also find this in the ed.gov link accompanying this quote in TFA.
 
2012-08-06 06:40:18 PM
Schools should be supporting pregnant and parenting teens that face numerous barriers to completing their education, not illegally excluding them from school.

No. Schools should be discouraging teen pregnancy and not by shaming them into taking a pregnancy test.
 
2012-08-06 06:40:29 PM
Ah, charter schools. This is what the GOP is trying to force on us. Read the specs on the ALEC website about the criteria that they want to allow charter schools to force on students. Bottom line, it's a way to control students and expel them if they don't comply with the Christian Dominionist rules.
 
2012-08-06 06:42:06 PM

Kiwimann: Not sure how much ground ACLU will have to stand on. Although I completely agree with the ACLU's opinion on this, ACLU lost a similar lawsuit for a charter school that was refusing to accomodate a student with a physical disability.

There's basically a ginormous loophole that allows charterschools to discriminate like this if they make the argument that they can't accomodate or don't staff for disabilities (this school in LA could say that they don't have a trained nurse on staff for example).


You don't need trained staff to deal with girls who refuse to test, for one.

Also don't need any form of training to handle someone who is, say, 4 months pregnant.

FTA: those who are pregnant or refuse to take the test are kicked out
 
2012-08-06 06:43:32 PM

number8: More fun with this school's policy manual:

Students at a public school are expected to show respect for themselves and for others in their relationships. Public displays of affection are not permitted at Delhi Charter School and show disdain for good taste.

Public displays of affection include, but are not limited to, holding hands on school premises, hugging, kissing, leaning against each other, and sitting in each other's laps. It is understood that small children may engage in such behaviors as hand-holding and hugging without sexual connotation. The Student Handbook will address the above actions with other students, and it is expected that a breif discussion will constitute warning. Such actions are inappropriate and may result in suspension or even recommendation for expulsion if such warnings are not heeded.


Uhhh.. I hate to break it to you, but non-PDA rules are pretty common.
 
2012-08-06 06:44:29 PM
Heh; that was the rule throughout my years in junior and high school in TN. As soon as the girl starting "showing" her pregnancy, she was barred from attending public school and a home school tutor was assigned to her. Once she gave birth, she could then attend public school again.

Two girls from my graduating class took advantage of that rule, in fact. One of them was my stepsister. A third girl did so well at home with a private tutor that she ended up graduating a year early, with my class instead of the one behind us.

/don't know if TN still has that rule
//probably does
 
2012-08-06 06:44:33 PM
Also seen when looking through the student policy manual:

The school uses corproal punishment

Any "teacher, director, administrator or school security guard" can search a student (pat down) or their locker or car if they say they have a reasonable suspicion that they have some kind of contraband. This includes "nitrate based inhalants". (So... no going to school after going to the supermarket and purchasing Redi Whip?)

Male students are not allowed to have earrings or any other piercings. Female student can have one piercing in each ear, that's it. Men can't have hair below the shirt collar.
 
2012-08-06 06:44:52 PM
serial_crusher: How does it violate Title IX? They'd presumably kick out a pregnant male student as well, right?

If they kick them too much, problem solved.

// they could also punch them out.

// a falcon punch out
 
2012-08-06 06:44:53 PM
I had to pick up some stuff for my mom at her local Dollar Store, and at the checkout counter they had 1-shot
drug test kits (for marijuana).

For $1 apiece.

WTF?
 
2012-08-06 06:46:35 PM
So when we kick out Texas and Arizona, can we force them to take Louisiana with them?
 
2012-08-06 06:47:07 PM

shamanwest: What if both parents work or if the girl comes from a single-parent home? What does she do then?


Presumably she gets bounced out of the charter school and into the "regular" public school, where pregnancy is commonplace.
 
2012-08-06 06:48:25 PM
i56.tinypic.com

You know who else was home schooled?
 
2012-08-06 06:49:17 PM

number8: Also seen when looking through the student policy manual:

The school uses corproal punishment

Any "teacher, director, administrator or school security guard" can search a student (pat down) or their locker or car if they say they have a reasonable suspicion that they have some kind of contraband. This includes "nitrate based inhalants". (So... no going to school after going to the supermarket and purchasing Redi Whip?)

Male students are not allowed to have earrings or any other piercings. Female student can have one piercing in each ear, that's it. Men can't have hair below the shirt collar.


Is this uncommon where you went to school? I went to a public school and they had all sorts of rules like that. We had to tuck in our shirts.
 
2012-08-06 06:50:15 PM
Delhi is a dump, just like all the towns in Louisiana on I-20 / Highway 80.
 
2012-08-06 06:52:43 PM
A shame that tax dollars are going to this school. Thanks, Bobby Jindal, you fark-up.
 
2012-08-06 06:52:56 PM

shamanwest: Teresaol31: I'm told this law has been on the books since 1972! What the hell is wrong with parents in Louisiana? I don't have any daughters, but if I DID I damn sure would not stand for any school telling her she had to take a pregnancy test, and God help them if they tried to kick my child out of school for getting pregnant, especially if the father of her child didn't get sent home too! I just don't know how anyone can accept a school district making life altering decisions for their child, and the decision to require a child already facing an unwanted, early life pregnancy to home school is certainly an attempt to insure their life is even more difficult. And of course, these same nosy jerks would be the first to be outraged if the student opted to terminate the pregnancy so that she can stay in school!

Think about this too: what if there is no one that can stay home to home school them? I've known several people who home schooled their children, and it is full-time work. It requires a parent that can stay home to do it. What if both parents work or if the girl comes from a single-parent home? What does she do then?


They do exactly what they intended, created another permanent dependent on state assistance, which will feed the child to the barest subsistence, and then cut programs for higher education and health care for the mother, so that they can further degrade her. After all, these people can't live without somebody to be the scapegoat for society's ills. What better way to insure that they have someone to preach to about boot straps, than to insure that a young lady who gets pregnant in high school has no chance of getting her diploma, much less a college degree!
 
2012-08-06 06:52:56 PM
I notice that it's a charter school. Since all of ths students are there by choice the school may have a small leg to stand on as long as the policy was known to the families before they entered the school.
 
2012-08-06 06:53:11 PM

number8: Students at a public school are expected to show respect for themselves and for others in their relationships. Public displays of affection are not permitted at Delhi Charter School and show disdain for good taste.


Yeah, like Satanic_Hamster said, that's standard boilerplate at almost every school, public or private, in the US since about 1985. Sad as all hell, if you ask me, but ubiquitous.
 
2012-08-06 06:53:19 PM

number8: More fun with this school's policy manual:

Students at a public school are expected to show respect for themselves and for others in their relationships. Public displays of affection are not permitted at Delhi Charter School and show disdain for good taste.

Public displays of affection include, but are not limited to, holding hands on school premises, hugging, kissing, leaning against each other, and sitting in each other's laps. It is understood that small children may engage in such behaviors as hand-holding and hugging without sexual connotation. The Student Handbook will address the above actions with other students, and it is expected that a breif discussion will constitute warning. Such actions are inappropriate and may result in suspension or even recommendation for expulsion if such warnings are not heeded.


There's nothing too bizarre about that. It sounds like a good policy.
 
2012-08-06 06:54:12 PM

DjangoStonereaver: I had to pick up some stuff for my mom at her local Dollar Store, and at the checkout counter they had 1-shot
drug test kits (for marijuana).

For $1 apiece.

WTF?


The amount of false negatives and positives must be astronomical.
 
2012-08-06 06:54:20 PM

Mr. Eugenides: I notice that it's a charter school. Since all of ths students are there by choice the school may have a small leg to stand on as long as the policy was known to the families before they entered the school.


I don't think that federally-funded schools can ignore a Federal law just by telling parents that it doesn't apply to them.
 
2012-08-06 06:54:27 PM
All in favor of Louisana tag,say aye.



I'll start: AYE!
 
2012-08-06 06:56:00 PM

Apos: All in favor of Louisana tag,say aye.



I'll start: AYE!


No. I'll not have 50 tags for 50 states. The idea is played out. FARK needs to learn to live with Florida being special.
 
2012-08-06 06:57:05 PM
Silly. It's not barefoot OR pregnant.

/kitchen
//sandwich
///"she went to visit with her cousin up north for a while"
 
2012-08-06 06:57:15 PM
I would also like to point out yet again that we up here in Arkansas appreciate Louisiana. They keep us from taking direct hits from hurricanes AND they keep us from being the ultimate armpit of the nation.
 
2012-08-06 06:57:30 PM
Go be pregnant somewhere else!
 
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